Thanks once again to Neil for having me as a guest in the Retro Man Cave. Always nice when a repair works and I'm ever hopeful of a chance of playing a game of something on the system one day...

@electronash

5 жыл бұрын

#spoilers ;)

@fensoxx

5 жыл бұрын

You’ve brought me back over twenty years to playing Turbographix 16 games and Bonk’s Adventure. 😊 what I can only think of as PC Engine’s answer to Mario. Thanks for the tlc on this historic system.

I love watching your repairs/trash to treasure series, so theraputic! You soft tones really make you the Bob Ross of retro board repairs :)

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

(with less hair)

I'm a bit of an Anglophile. Love hearing your UK perspective on tech.

@returnofbeaux

5 жыл бұрын

I'm wondering how much of the language is just technician talk or limey technician talk.

Free Mark from 'cap'tivity! Got to pay attention lol. Great video series. Thanks for both your efforts.

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

Aww, thanks Steve! I actually escaped whilst he was eating a pile of bananas.

stupid question… why white wine vinegar instead of distilled white vinegar? the residual sugar in the white wine vinegar can't be great if you miss cleaning some out from under a chip

Nice work, guys. This has been a great series on a very obscure and tremendously expensive bit of historic tech.

If techmoan can do karaoke so can you.

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Unlike Techmoan I'm not up all night to get lucky

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

but... We've Come So Far...

@simeonkleinnibbelink5176

5 жыл бұрын

but in the end it doesnt even matter

"I burned a CD". That's a phrase I've not heard for a long time

Cheers guys, interesting conclusion to a great series! You asked for our experiences with solder paste and mine wasn't great. With a heat gun it was too easy to cause damage to the board or other components. My fault though, I guess I shouldn't have used an A1200 board to start with and practised on a scrap board first. I definitely think a pre-heater would have helped though. The other issue with solder paste is that it has a short shelf life, although that can be lengthened a bit by keeping it in the fridge. So, unless you do a lot of soldering it could be a waste of money.

I've seen a post somewhere, someone has RGB modded the megadrive PAC, and also got a 32x working with it. A nice, clean RGB mod to a MD2 AV port would make this an even more amazing console.

That's such an awesome system! Good job on the restoration

Born and raised in West Berlin i remember my teenage time late/early 80/90's, one of my classmate's family comes from HongKong. He got all this cool stuff and more and we spend very much time playin all these 'exotic' game titles that never released on commodore or atari... it was the first time i saw consoles like pc engine or neo geo...

Most solder paste data sheets will show that there is a recommended heating profile that contains a preheat temp that 'activates' the flux and flow temp and timed ramps and duration... I've used gallons of paste but it was in ovens with either a conveyor for moving through heat zones or a tightly controlled convection oven. It does work with a heat gun and visual feedback but it's much more efficient with programmable equipment.

What a beast the Laseractive! Well done to you amd Mark Fixes Stuff on bringing back to full health.

This is turning into a huge labour of love with the Laser Active. Great video, thank you !

I can honestly say I've never used solder paste in the comments section.

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

Badum... tsshhhhhh! 😀

I wish you luck getting your hands on one of those LD-ROMs. This machine is honestly amazing and I want to see more of it! On solder paste: I'm hoping to try it soon in putting together an Xbox 360 RF board to USB adapter, and then maybe in upgrading the RAM in (another) OG Xbox. I don't have a board preheater.

Chase HQ at the end. Loved that game. “Your the driver!”

I don't have as much experience in repair as any of you guys, however I've been making boards for a while, and were I in your situation I'd have replaced all caps before reflowing the paste in an oven (especially with low-temp paste as you have) instead of using hot hair. Great video as usual!

I love the look of the PCE pack, it looks like a 3.5" floppy drive! 😁 Also thumbs up for fixing that device, it sure is a rare candy to enjoy.

Thoroughly enjoyed this series. Love the channel.

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed it

Fire Pro Wrestling is a timing-based wrestling game. Strikes have to connect exactly, for instance, if you don't hit the guy in the face with a punch, it'll miss. When the wrestlers get close enough, they'll tie up, and the first person to press the button after the tie up animation finishes will perform a move. Of course, if your opponent isn't worn down enough if you try a big move, auto-counter will kick in, a kinda safeguard against matches ending too quick. (sorry, just love those games)

That was a fun ride to watch. I can imagine the re-capping may have brought you and MArk to the point of madness lol. I love early disc based systems. they had so many innovations that we take for granted today. Granted, the tech is way more refined now but I just find them fascinating.

I use paste all the time and I just recently converted a cheap toaster oven for smd reflow. It is no quicker using paste unles you are using a reflow oven and I would still use solder when replacing a few items on a board. Now if you have a stencil and lots of smd components it's a so much quicker and cleaner to reflow them all at the same time. please have a look at some of my vids, I made the smd oven and also used the heatgun to reflow the custom led PCB I make for neo geo mini marquees.

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

I'll check that out for sure DJ Legion. Thanks for the tips.

@DJlegionuk

5 жыл бұрын

@@MarkFixesStuff no trouble, I am still learning and find putting the paste on the pcb was way too fidly for a few parts. I also found a lot of the cheap paste like the mechanic stuff is just not very good and was recommended to use kester, but that is not easy to find un the uk unless you want to pay quite a bit for it. I have some chipquik paste on the way to test that next time I do a reflow.

@subcon959

5 жыл бұрын

For a second there, I thought you were talking about marquees for a Neo Geo Mini!

@DJlegionuk

5 жыл бұрын

@@subcon959 I make led replacement marquees for the full size cabinets.

Great restoration guys, you make a good team. Wouldnt mind seeing you doing more videos together

solder paste can be a godsend for piddly-tiny components and fine pitch SMD ICs. but anything big enough to use a iron instead is easier that way.

I use two soldering irons to pick caps of the PCB. for Chips I use hot air to remove and then to solder them I use a double bevel tip to solder all the pins at once. Flux and good tinning lets me remove the solder bridges.

The PC engine is such an interesting machine. So much cooler looking than the TurboGrafx16. I never understood why they changed the name.

@gerot201

5 жыл бұрын

maaybe because it sounds like graphic card

@JDavies345

5 жыл бұрын

they changed it due to the name was Misleading in a way, they also changed the size as people wanted a bigger console

Another great video about a really interesting machine. Lovely stuff, Neil (and Mark!)

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers Rich!

I adore this series, and this channel. Thanks so much for this, really makes me happy. My cat is also a huge fan.

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Please give your cat a friendly pat from me!

@Skaera75b

5 жыл бұрын

@@RMCRetro Lots and lots of purring!

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

@@Skaera75b Please give your cat a tasty treat from me!

@Skaera75b

5 жыл бұрын

@@MarkFixesStuff well now, I have no choice- he's being thoroughly spoiled now- and he says thanks for all the love (and treats!)

this is a great video. I have an old xbox and I am planning on opening it up and checking if there is any leakage. hope it is as easy as in your videos. I just got my white wine vinegar and my isopropyl alcohol

👏 More 👏 Recapping 👏 Videos 👏

Loved this series, what a awesome machine you've acquired there sir! :)

given the linear nature of time and the tendency of electrolytic capacitors to leak or turn into resistors with the passage of time, I suspect a board pre-heater or a full reflow station would be a valuable addition to the cave. I think an ultrasonic cleaner bath large enough to accept large boards would also not go amiss, as it can make removing flux and deep-cleaning cartridge and other press-fit connectors much easier. Curiously enough, it isn't recommended as the first step in repairing boards as it can make it more difficult to trace faults by removing the telltale evidence of board damage. Having a board heating station can make it a lot easier to get surface mount components to let go with minimal additional heat required from a heat gun and it can also help you use solder paste to place multiple surface-mount components at a time by allowing you to use a larger lower volume head to gently heat the solder to its melting point without needing to also heat the ground plane excessively.

Another great team up, good work guys.

Fantastic job with fantastic patience :)

Ooooh yes! Lovely material. Kudoz to you both guys and thanks for uploading this!

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thanks for watching

Just what I needed on a Friday!

Great video as always! I have recapped a fair few consoles & computers myself over the years. Amigas, Turbo duos, CD32s and plenty of Game Gears! It would be interesting to see a video regarding the board heater and how it may affect using a hot air station. I own a hot air rework station but prefer using an iron myself.

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Mark has one incoming! Go and give him a sub and I'm sure a review will appear soon

Another successful repair. Well done guys.

By far the best use of a laserdisc in 2019.

3:45 yeah babe, take it off, nice and slow 😂

Great series all in all Neil, really enjoyed it!

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Pixels

3:20 Brits with tea 😋 Anyway- PC Engine is awesome console! It got so many futures and graphically was able to beat Amiga and Atari computer games those times and even later! Absolutely astonish graphics and gameplay with sound that can tease your ear, makes that console one of my favourites.

Nice restoration. I quite enjoy recapping however I can completely understand if you don't feel the same way after this project.

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

:screams and runs:

oh no! i need my weekly dose of recapping! :D my pc-engine duo R says hi to its brother! lovely pac!

Nice work guys

What screwdriver did you use to remove the screws at the back of the PAC's? As far as I can tell they may be "System Zero" head's but I cannot find out what size?

Great content, as usual. 'nuff said.

This looks good Neil... beer and about to watch! 😎

Neil done it again. He is alive!

This modular design with various console "cartridges" is just insane.

Solder Paste/Hot Air rework is much more successful with a preheater on the board. The board sinks away a lot of heat, so the hot air alone is very inefficient. You are not only having to heat the joint, but also the board around the joint with the hot air.

Awesome. Got a question - I’m guessing there aren’t any capacitor kits available for something so niche, so where would you get small numbers of caps from at a reasonable cost? Or do you need to get larger packs? I’m in the uk if that helps :)

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Places like console5.com sell the packs. They are also a good reference for the list of caps needed so you can buy from RS Components, Farnell or other UK suppliers.

You should cast those capaciters in Resin and make coasters.

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

That's actually a really fun idea. I'll look into this

@IDPhotoMan

5 жыл бұрын

@@RMCRetro It'd be pretty unique, and with all of that pain and suffering you and Mark could have the satisfaction of them holding your tea for you.

That tin bismuth alloy solder has real problems with use on equipment which had lead solder like this. The inter-alloy formed can melt at temps as low as 95C. Not recommended.

Amazing work! I'd use Rondo of Blood to test music quality.

For things like ICs solder paste is normally applied using stencils. If you are making dozens of boards it is worth getting one made, but probably not for a one off especially if some components have already been fitted. A more general comment, are you using an Anti-Static wrist strap when you are handling complex boards like that ? I will admit that I have only once damaged a component (an EPROM) with static. That was about a fortnight after telling someone it had never happened to me. Blow any IC in a system like the LaserActive and it is unlikely you would ever get the board it is on working again.

Pc Engine was such a mythical beast back-in-the-day, always surprised they never released a EU version.

Sounds like Glenn Ponder composed the PC Engine CD soundtrack for DD2 :)

Vinegar neutralizes the electrolyte. Does isopropyl neutralize vinegar, or just wash it off? Does it make sense to completely remove the vinegar from washing the circuit board with water? With subsequent drying. (google translate)

What is the into music track? I like it! Great video Neil keep it up on here! Been following you now for a long time now because I found your Amiga 500 trash to treasure video and I've been hooked since

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Here you go... kzread.info/dash/bejne/mZh4j6Wtp87MYtY.html

@doubtfulalf9391

5 жыл бұрын

sorry neil seems my account is hacked chunkybeats79

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

@@doubtfulalf9391 is that Home and Away Alf? 😂

@chunkybeats79

5 жыл бұрын

@@RMCRetro yeah it's a running joke with my brother

It's really a shame how much technology is sitting in the dump from that period and onward, just because of low-quality passive components.

Nice Video. I want a Laser Active now, even if it is just because that looks like the easiest machine to change belts on that I have ever seen.

@goeland4585

5 жыл бұрын

Good luck with the capacitors... :p

Man, that's a wonderful machine!

Thursday Nights = Pub, then RetroManCave

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

@ThommosTech

5 жыл бұрын

@@RMCRetro What a ridiculously incredible bit of kit. Didn't realize this was even a thing. Fantastic!

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Me neither until last year. It's a rabbit hole when you start exploring Japanese auction sites!

@ThommosTech

5 жыл бұрын

@@RMCRetro i daredn't.

I've got a genesis and a DVD player in my basement I'll let go for a mere $300 if the repair isn't successful. Great vid I can't lie I want one of these.

Btw, I'd love to try solder paste, bc I'm a mess soldering haha

That intro music sounds like a remix of set the controls for the heart of the sun pink floyd!

Thought that looked a smart piece of hardware until I saw how big it actually was!

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

It's certainly a big old unit

Hi Neil - a few years late, but I just noticed you have "Sega PAC-N1" in the description - should that be NEC?

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

Nice spot thank you!

Hi, first of all congratulations for the video... I would really like to live near you, because I also have a complete set of Pioneer Laser Active but here in Italy I can't find anyone capable of fixing it for me!!!😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Now all you have to do is rgb mod the laser active system it's been done and looks nice

Watching this is giving me PTSD of my unit.

I wonder if anyone ever made a laserdisc writer? Although where would ever find media!?!

@Ravenesque

4 жыл бұрын

Hi I am from the Future with the answer to your request and a link to Techmoan's video! kzread.info/dash/bejne/fYVh26usorK7hZs.html

another brill vid!

12:36 So, this has no DRM? LOL

my game gear had the same crappy SMD electrolytic caps

Released from Captivity... genius.

Gary shall be pleased, pack the unit with some spare pants ^^

Can you do a retro recovery of the Apple //c portable computer?

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Would love to. They are pretty rare in these parts

Just recap, no more recapping?

You should livestream yourself recapping the boards...

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

We did! You can often find me live while filming these videos at twitch.tv/theretromancave

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

I can confirm this as I was there with@@RMCRetro!

I think Mark meant 'coupling capacitors'...not 'a couple of...';-)

I'm having trouble finding the previous episode where the sega pack is repaired

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Here you go kzread.info/dash/bejne/i3-I3LyBqdrShbw.html

@GerardKean

5 жыл бұрын

@@RMCRetro Thanks :)

Hang fire... solder paste never really got jet printed... ever... For the most part it's screen printed, a bit like how some t-shirt logos were done. Although saying that, when I was working for Herald Electronics one of my jobs was to process X-Y data for a Mydata 500 Solder Printer... The 500 we had was totally fresh out of development and the guy from Mydata didn't really know how the bloody thing would work either... Quite a lot of stuff built using the prototype MY500 got returned because it wasn't soldered properly...

Karaoke or bust

Those cheap wan hung low caps are crap Neil and thanks to Mark Payne for his solder paste tutorial. I just use 0.4mm 60/40 solder and my soldering station it works for me .. I love episodes with the laserdisk very interesting 🤩🤩🤩🤩Kim🤩🤩🤩🤩

12:26 Piracy.

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Yarrrrrrrr

probably sounds like a daft question this. but here goes.. if capacitors are prone to leakage.. then is there any other technology you can use that doesn't leak?

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

You can substitute the electrolytic caps with ceramic or multilayered ceramic chip capacitors (MLCC) and many do with good results. It's not as clear cut as some people make out though as substitutes can have different performance specifications which cause unintended results. They are also more expensive especially in this quantity. So in short, yes there are alternatives and yes they are often just fine, but when someone says "just swap them out with ceramics and forget about them" it's worth doing a little research first.

@bazza5699

5 жыл бұрын

ahh i didn't know any of that. thanks for the info :)

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

@@bazza5699 What Neil said. Solid State capacitors behave differently and are not applicable to every task. They are also typically found in smaller values than electrolytics capacitors.

I worked in SMT production, jet printers aren't as good as screen printed. We never used a jet printer due to cost and quality problems.

You should have used high quality x7r capa

Try to shove a 32x into it!

I would love on of those machine, but I don't have the money or the technical skill required to repair one. Having low income is a pain lol. Oh well guess I shouldn't be mentally ill :(

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

This was quite the rollercoaster to read. I'll be taking this to some expos so hopefully more people who haven't got access to one can experience it a little

You must be sick to the back teeth with capacitors.

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

I'm fine.... Mark on the other hand... 😂

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

Little bit.

@herbiehusker1889

5 жыл бұрын

Sick to the back teeth? That must be a British expression.

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

@@herbiehusker1889 Indeed.

@nickwallette6201

5 жыл бұрын

Been doing the same lately. Got my fill of solder fumes. It isn't glamorous work, but somebody's gotta do it. :-)

What’s the name of the game at 13:24?

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

That's ChaseHQ

@enigma776

5 жыл бұрын

Chase HQ by the looks of it.

@connectorxp

5 жыл бұрын

@@RMCRetro finally I found it, as I played the NES version when I was a kid and forgot about it for many years. Remembering only the intro with the radio panel.

I recommend that people not try solder paste, it tastes terrible!

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

It doesn't stop cavities either

TurboDisc?

@MarkFixesStuff

5 жыл бұрын

No. It's just the way I sit.

So many caps :( I lot of work in this series

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Still more to do but I'll do that in my own time... It's a lot of work but I feel like it was worth it

So you all just traveled back in time to comment? :/

@retro_boy_advance

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah was confused for a bit just now by all the comments being from 5 days ago but then it shows as just being added 8 minutes ago on my KZread

@RMCRetro

5 жыл бұрын

Great Scott! The videos are all on early access to Patrons for 1 week before they go public, hence the existing comments.