I like the idea of it being Paladins logo and it says crafted by Wyrmwood

@natoroja

2 жыл бұрын

Same, absolutely same!

@davehoffman515

2 жыл бұрын

Or just make it a line like the Prophecy. Rebranding it Wyrmwood Essentials make it sound cheaper than it is. Paladin Collection crafted by Wyrmwood.

@VagabondTE

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@headwrinkle9896

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I mostly just want him to get his due for the design, alot of time, money, and effort goes into designing stuff like this

@Lurklen

2 жыл бұрын

@@davehoffman515 Paladin collection sounds way nicer.

maybe call them Slates instead of Trackers in case future ones don't track anything?

@hopkinssm1

2 жыл бұрын

I mean sooner or later Jason's going to realize they're about post-it note sized...

@seanorman6450

2 жыл бұрын

I literally was about to comment this

@arcadesmeyer1020

2 жыл бұрын

Slate Sleeve also sounds great imo.

I do not agree with replacing the Paladin logo with the Wyrmwood logo. I am indifferent to a combined logo of Wyrmwood and Paladin. I like the idea of Paladin Collection crafted by Wyrmwood or the items discreetly saying crafted by Wyrmwood.

@salbaca1104

2 жыл бұрын

Ok then first things first I fully agree with this idea so that people can know what they are getting, and also I have a question about your handle name, I am currently creating a warlock char. For DnD that has a pact with a devil, but I want it to be someone who to get something done has to go to an underling demon kind of like a mafia to run it up the flagpole to his boss in this case a devil my question is this does it have your permission to call it the Demon's mafia

@foehammermain1811

2 жыл бұрын

This guy knows brands

@demonsmafia

2 жыл бұрын

I like it, you should do that.

I think Bobby is right, there should be a Wyrmwood mark on the underside or something indicating who constructed it, but Paladin is clearly the designer mark here. Whether that's sufficient for Wyrmwood, in combination with an exclusive craft (and distribution?) license is a different question and one that will likely involve Frank.

@caitlinhirst6206

2 жыл бұрын

I can't wait for the upcoming Frank episode! I need more Frank content in my life

Something about the slim tray really calls to me. If it was taller it wouldn't look as cool. I really like where this has gone. Gotta catch em all!

@fiddytwo9427

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, You'd just need to make sure the dice rolling tray doesn't get too thin to match though. It needs to be usable, I've tried so many thin dice trays that look nice but as soon as you try to actually use it the dice just bounce over the sides out of the tray.

Paladin Woodworking needs to be front and center. I love the Wyrmwood shield, but it wouldn't feel right otherwise. Wyrmwood can be on there somewhere, but would rather see the nice big Paladin logo.

I like the branding "paladin accessories by wyrmwood"

I would want to hear from Scott what he wants to see for branding (not from Doug/Bobby/Jason, no offense!) before leaning one way or another on whose logo goes on the front.

@jonathancummings5

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you.

@ThatOtherPerson

2 жыл бұрын

Also agree.

Why not use all the messed up felt from “felt-gate” for the rolling surface.

@RyanPaton

2 жыл бұрын

Totally this!!!!

@linnoff

2 жыл бұрын

I believe they cut down all but the liliput felts into felts for the next table size down, so there isn't much left over

Not a Tracker Sleeve. It must be: Tracker Keeper Also, I'd prefer to see both Paladin and Wyrmwood logos

@ThomasPerezGhost

2 жыл бұрын

^ this Wyrmwood | Paladin or, if you prefer: Wyrmwood x Paladin

I think the Paladin logo needs to stay, that is his idea and work, it would be like if someone making merch had the company producing its logo on it. But I think if you had that Paladin logo, in fine print under it you could do x wrymwood or wrymwood manufactured. Letting the people know you guys crafted it, but it wasn’t your idea.

My crew has always called the stat layouts on character sheets "Stat blocks". So calling the inserts "Blocks" and the "brick" that holds them might be an option.

I wondered about matching their branding for the dice kickstarter: Paladin x Wyrmwood

@geoffreypeterson8903

2 жыл бұрын

The slash-fiction Kickstarter...

@matthewrudolph

2 жыл бұрын

This is the right train of thought (I'm thinking)

@jacoblemmert8382

2 жыл бұрын

I like this a lot. No branding iconography for paladin or wyrmwood, but a nice bold-ish font that is the paladin x wyrmwood could look really good if centered right

When I think of Wyrmwood, I think attention to detail, quality, simplicity, and a beautiful marriage of form and function. This is a result of your origins in craftsmanship. I think "Wyrmwood is about craftsmanship" is a trap that will limit you. There is no reason you can't expand past your origins, but ensure your ideals and mantras hold true. I think the reason this collaboration seems like such a good idea is Paladin shares a lot of Wyrmwoods ideals - but could use help in the form department, and stand on the shoulders of the giant that's come before. Don't overthink it - a marriage of your logos for this line of products (and in the future) makes sense, it's a collab, not a takeover, not an acquisition, etc. Etc. When I think about the branding/logo dilemma, my first thought goes to something like what Apple does for all their products (who again, I feel align with your design ideals): Designed by Paladin, Built by Wyrmwood

Still waiting to hear weather or not the DM screen will be produced this year or not. It was the main reason that got me interested in Wyrmwood.

@haldir_1234

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, would be the first wyrmwood order for me

You could tap the "nostalgia" aspect and call it a "tracker keeper."

@T3hXinro

2 жыл бұрын

I love this. This is the best idea.

@rabbitslayer42

2 жыл бұрын

100% this^

Could do it like how sneakers do collabs, and brand it something like Paladin X Wyrmwood. Wyrmwood essentials sounds a little cheap, something like Wyrmcrafted or Wyrm Made or Wyrmfab etc might be cool/

@nikzuLP

2 жыл бұрын

Argee up until the Wyrm[something] combinations. They sound forced to me. Paladin × Wyrmwood is the best option in my opinion.

@bernardwelsh1877

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikzuLP Yeah, I was just thinking if they want a separate line in general that's less expensive than their main products. But since this one is a collaboration, it definitely should have branding from both companies.

I think it's important for Scott to have his logo on his design. Perhaps the Wrymwood shield in half his helm on the other. ORRR could just make a logo base as the helm, but with the Wyrmwood tree being the visor. He deserves mad credit for this. I do got a slogan for you guys "Wrymwood crafted, Paladin divined"

I don't have anything against laser-cut work - hell, I've got one myself, and make all sorts of things with it - but it would definitely feel weird to see the Wyrmwood logo on them. I associate that logo with a level of polish (or sure, craftsmanship) that the trackers and boxes you're showing off will just never have. The resin and gemstone dice, while you aren't making them yourselves, you're vetting them, doing at least some of the design work, and ultimately making sure they're a worthy match to your other products. Put those dice in one of the vaults, and they match. Put a tracker tile next to a vault? Those are not going to match. Don't get me wrong, I think Paladin is doing some amazing design work, but the end results of the two manufacturing processes are just at a different level.

@PanCircumsonus

2 жыл бұрын

I’m with you. I won’t be buying any of these. The aesthetic is vastly different than the Wyrmwood products and that matters to me. Plus, I personally like having digital toolsets now for character sheets and stats. I’m in on DM screens and sit-stand desks though

@teagan_p_999

2 жыл бұрын

I would buy these, but I definitely think Paladin should be the front and center branding.

All I keep thinking is what if the lid of the sleeve attached to the side with magnets to become your rolling surface. I think with some modification and sizing it could still acts a lid and add extreme functionality without the consumer having to buy a separate product. Food for thought.

3:06 This might be the funniest cut in all of Wyrmlife. I watched it 4 times in a row.

Great Scott! The madman went and did it. The single tracker vault lives!

@matthewrudolph

2 жыл бұрын

I am intrigued by it.

Maybe if you still have all that miss sized felt still lying around you can use it for the rolling trays? It would add a pop of color that I would love. Also keeping it branded Paladin with a produced by wyrmwood marker makes sense. As cool as these items are they don't read very wyrmwood and don't quite click with all the other modular stuff you have which would be confusing.

The one big issue i see with replacing the logo with the Wyrmwood one is that when "going to a friends house and seeing the product" that friend will think this is a "Wyrmwood only product" and when going to the Wyrmwood site will be saddened to see, from their perspective, a "discontinued product" since they cant find it there. So in regard to the logos i would think to do the Paladin logo and the Wyrmwood in some separate configuration so it is clear to the customer where they can "buy the product". like "designed by Paladin" and "crafted by Wyrmwood".

A Wyrmwood product at a lower price point and under a different brand...IS THIS THE RETURN OF LOOT GOOSE???

@kgoblin5084

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully not with a similarly awful name

@diewollsocke2674

2 жыл бұрын

you mean frugal goose

The strength of the Wyrmwood brand is the level of quality it implies. Even if the core work is done via laser, as long as the end product is of Wyrmwood quality it works. A high quality, real wood, piece of D&D paraphernalia.

Firstly, great job making the tray and sleeves modular. That design is amazing. If this product does sit at a much lower price point then classic Wyrmwood vaults, then I have no doubt you'll get tons of orders. The people I play with love Wyrmwood products, but I'm the only one in my group that has actually purchased anything. Price is the only thing holding them back.

I think a "Paladin X Wyrmwood" logo makes sense. It's not like you're just a production facility, you are helping to make this idea an actual product.

I would like to see the Fruit of the Loom brand on this product.

Bigger print "Paladin Woodworking Designs" smaller print "Crafted at Wyrmwood" or "In collaboration with Wyrmwood". Also, maybe add an extension bar to his new magnets which click into your tables?

I agree with Jason on this - the Paladin products do not encompass the "Wyrmwood" brand. I don't think Wyrmwood should be selling a cheap feeling laser-cut tile system.

Personally, I'd love to see a Wyrmwood x Paladin sort of logo where both logos are on there. Like take the text out of the paladin logo and use just the icons from both brands. I think it would look pretty solid. 👍

"Paladin: a Wyrmwood Gaming Partner" Something like that allows you to place the branding of whomever you collaborate with, but still refers back to you guys.

A combination of Wyrmwood and Paladin as a sub-line sounds like a very cool idea. Jason, Bennet, and team design for Wyrmwood line and Scot and team designs for the other line. Thank you all for showing the behind the scenes.

Feel like there’s a missed opportunity not calling the sleeves “tracker keepers”

"That person is never buying anything from us ever again." Or they will have a well crafted piece of all encompassing gaming gear that makes it a no brainer for their friends to buy too. Personally, I'm way less likely to buy a product if I'm buying into a whole ecosystem. Because then, not only am I locked in, but I'm constantly disappointed at what the thing I currently have can't do.

@henrystefanov5873

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that I don't agree that people would buy once and then never again... What happens if they want to play a different game? Or when D&D goes to 5.5 or 6e? What if they bought the trackers for the Wizard, but now they have a Barbarian Character? And like you said their friends may want to buy their own trackers and tray. There are so many opportunities to launch expansions and updated trackers here, this line could live on indefinitely.

It's a Paladin design fulfilled by Wyrmwood, so keeping Scott's logo and having a quiet 'we made it' somewhere feels right (to this layperson, at any rate)

I like the combination of Paladin and Wyrmwood-- maybe "The Paladin Collection at Wyrmwood Gaming."

"Is that why you have a mullet?"...literally what I was thinking...

I love the idea of both logos and the mention of collaboration. I think seeing a brand open to collaboration is a positive selling point. With both logos neither loses its unique selling qualities.

I love the idea of cork so much better than synthetic/faux leather. Cork feels like it fits with the Paladin line in terms of style and price point: quality and thoughtful design, just less expensive. If I see leather, I would expect a higher-price-point product and real leather. Synthetic feels cheap, and it doesn't hold up long term. (Faux suede might look ok, if it's the high-quality stuff that has a bit of a nap and actually looks like suede, but it doesn't provide as much cushion as cork or faux leather, so if you're looking for sound deadening, it wouldn't work.) And the Paladin accessories definitely need to stay slim. They don't need dice or mini storage! If someone wants storage, they need a Wyrmwood dice vault or hero vault! For buyers on a budget, the eastern elm and cherry vaults are very affordable, and they're a good stepping stone from lower-priced "starter" products to higher-tier "this is my life's obsession now" products, lol.

In the spirit of magnetic modularity, why not make a slate/tracker storage addon to the 'Sleeve' that just clicks to the bottom, probably makes it double its current height all together but should have enough space for 6 or even 9 additional slates/trackers based on their thickness. Your 'Sleeve' would act as the lid and because its magnetic you could stack as many below as you need storage, just grab/click the 'set' you need for that night's gaming or just roll with the 'Sleeve' itself if your needs are few. Also, the slate/tracker box solo would be nice if the sides were magnetic and could combo together. Ex: You get your paladin dice tray and two solo boxes - because they're magnetic they can click in to the inside/outside of your dice tray and now you have a more compact slate/tracker + tray experience in a more horizontal alignment. And because you have the larger tray for rolling, you could use the cavity inside your solo boxes to transport your mini and/or wyrmwood sketch pencil and/or sticky notes pad. Looking forward to the kickstarter!

The editing in these videos have no right to make me laugh this hard 😂

OMG Doug with the mullet comment at the end had me rolling on the ground.

I really enjoyed watching this series from the pitch of taking on Paladin woodworking to design meeting and critique to the finalized design and discussion of its position in the wyrmood company umbrella I was apprehensive when I saw the pitch due to the stark difference in design and aesthetic between wyrmwood and Paladin but the designs were intriguing and had function the design meeting convinced me of its viability as a product but the designs weren't something I was in love with... the final designs and products on the other hand were the chefs kiss per se the perfect balance of form and function and then the discussion as to where it fit in the wyrmood line (personally I feel out of the three defined categories in this episode it should be a Paladin product and logo with made by wyrmood as part of that logo like it is a seperate branch of wyrmwood that has it's own name possibly it's own website or page linked through wyrmwood) as well as really showcasing the roles and mindsets of those in charge of wyrmwood from top to bottom its this series that really defines for us watching who really does what and how they think as part of the company

Oooh! I like the single ‘box’ tracker holder :)

Jasons smile and "huh" was so great xD like: "huh ... I can cuz I am da CEO" :D

The trays packing cleanly into the tray is super sexy and what I always wished the Wyrmwood dice tower did with the individual tray

Tracker Sleeve? How about, "Tracker Keeper".

@usaevo8

2 жыл бұрын

Nostalgia right there.

My issue with the trackers is… for D&D, I always have so much more stuff I need to track. Whether it’s stats, inventory, subclass abilities. The trackers never fully meet my needs, so I still end up needing a character sheet, or something written. At which point, the trackers kinda feel like more extra clutter that looks cool, not something that solves a problem or adds more functionality. For those liking the product, I’m kinda curious why. It might just not be for me, but I am curious who it IS for.

Could call it Paladin Line by Wyrmwood. A new episode of Wyrmlyfe and my MGT table showed up. Good day!

Cork rolling surface would be great!

An idea for simple branding could be (paladin woodworking helmet) x (Wyrmwood shield) wherever logos end up being placed like on the lid of the sleeve or branded/lasered on the cork or leather of the tray

This product deserves to have both brands on it. At it's core it's Paladin. Now, I saw that single tile that also holds dice... Is that going to be a thing? It was talked about for two seconds. One tracker that holds dice that's leather or felt on the inside for rolling in would be perfect for on the go.

As has been pointed out by demonsmafia below, it really should be the Paladin logo with "Manufactured by Wyrmwood", just "by Wyrmwood", or something similar in the usual Wyrmwood font. It's simple. Tasteful. And, it gives credit to the original designer without also giving a nod to Wyrmwood being the one to manufacture and bring it to the world market.

7:40 Damn that sound effect caught me off guard 😂

Got the confirmation my dice are coming at the end of the week... well I can start looking at new wyrmwood products now!

"Jason, how is Bobby wrong?" -Doug Costello, 2022

I think one logo on the outside and one on the inside. Paladin's in a place of pride, and Wyrmwood's in a place of visibility

Wormwood brand. Or Wormwood with 'essentials' under the logo. And then on the back or the bottom: "Design by Paladin Woodwork." It allows you to do the same thing with other designers if you so choose, and also lines up with what Bobby said about the Wyrmwood Candles (poured by so and so).

I think that it should keep the paladin branding with the "crafted by wyrmwood" thing

I like Bobby and Doug's stance on "Craftmanship" here. A nice laser cut product is, most likely, more approachable than a lot of your products. Make quality gaming gear. Make it good. Make it last, make it out of decent materials, but if you can offer a product people want in a price range more people can afford, that's not a bad thing. It doesn't have to be a "craftsman" experience to still be a quality experience.

6:33 Bobby thinking "I could have said stop a week ago?"

combine two symmetrical logos! such an easy design decision, and as a bonus, both have that white vertical center shape!

The Wyrmwood brand is doing cool things that you believe in and not limiting yourself to a rigid ideology.

@77bigbonez

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I am more attracted to cool products and not that it was "handcrafted." Do you know how many mom and pop flea market vendors can give me handcrafted or special requests?

If you ever look to expand this concept... Kingdom Death Players could be interested in something like this... if catered for that game.

I like quiver of trackers or tiles instead of using sleeve. Excited about this one though.

Class Slates, Slate Crate (1 tracker box), Tracker Keeper (3 tracker tray), Paladin Tray (rolling tray) "Paladin Essentials Crafted by Wyrmwood" Use the (Brand) X Wyrmwood format you use for working with Dispel, nix both logos, and center right the design on the keeper lid. For the Slates (trackers), use the back for a mark of Wyrmwood since it's empty real estate and would be a nice show spot for those who might store their Slates upside down in the keeper/crate. Or, if you really feel like you need a logo, use the Paladin logo and make a new design for your "Crafted by Wyrmwood" stuff (since this has the potential to expand) to add to the underside of the products.

I think the dispel project had it right by having the something like Paladin x Wyrmwood. A more subtle crafted by Wyrmwood also seems good

they missed a wonderful opportunity to call the tracker sleeve the TRACKER KEEPER.

I like Paladin designs, Crafted by Wyrmwood. It keeps a foot in the door for other partnerships. Not just Paladin. Free slogan: "Wyrmwood says craftsmanship, but Crafted by Wyrmwood says quality." Side note, even though I think the logos should be separate.. I would love to see the Paladin helmet inside the Wyrmwood Shield just because. Maybe in the center of the rolling tray as art?

God damn Bobby I love it. Why can’t we do more STUFF!!!

Paladin by Wyrmwood seems like the branding choice

For me I love the Idea of an essential line with the paladins helmet for the logo on top and yours on the inside of the lid so both get some line of sight.

I like the Paladin logo. I already have Wyrmwood products and like the different aesthetic attached to the different brands, allows me to mix and match without feeling like I have 'wyrmwood' and 'lower cost wyrmwood.' They are different styles and should be branded as such.

Tracker, Tracker Box, Tracker Sleeve, Tracker Rolling Tray?....Nope the tray should be called a Tracker Keeper

Doesn't look like the sleeker design would have space for that awesome dice jail feature that was shown on the large tray. I think if you're making them big enough to fit dice, you've gotta incorporate that at some point. I know many who would see that little jail as a massive selling point.

now ur making me want a wyrmwood rolling tray and i dont mean for dice... Stay Hexy!

I like the little box!

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The Wyrmwood brand is known as quality products that offer a lifetime of use. A product that is designed to be used for generations. A product so good, the craftsman signs their name.

If both the Paladin logo and the Wyrmwood logo were on it with an 'x' in-between to center it nicely, that would be great. What would be even better is to maintain the Paladin logo as the focus, and maybe have a small Wyrmwood logo to the bottom right corner as if it were a copyright symbol for the line.

finally back to fun clips at the end of the videos!!! :)

The sleeve's cover should snap to the side and function as a mini rolling tray

I would say keep Paladin Logo, but add the "made by Wyrmwood' somewhere either on the side or on the bottom. It is a very different product from the WW line, and keeping the logo reflects that. Also, Bucky's is a Texas institution! Everyone here knows of the great beaver-lord

wyrmwood shield with the paladin swords and helmet!

For the rolling surface of the dice trays, do you still have any of the miscut Lilliput MGT felt-gate felt kicking around? I know all the larger sizes got trimmed down to fit the next size down tables but presumably the smallest ones were just “scrap”, and those could make great rolling surfaces while keeping the product lighter for pseudo game night EDC, plus not having to source and purchase more material.

I actually loved the initial integrated dice jail idea. I hope they can keep that. The box would work, but the sleeve would not.

love these guys, wish i could hang out with them.

My first thought after seeing the tracker box(1 tracker holder): mtg lifecounter with +1/+1 storage

I think a paladin holding the wyrmwood shield would be cool.

Scott's/Paladin Woodworking work is also craftsmanship... new school but still... The amount of hours that takes to learn to design that, do it well, and all of the artistic background you need to have prior to touching a program like illustrator or alike is something that should be respected as a modern form of craftsmanship.

the Wyrmwood tree embracing the Paladin logo.

you're killing paper gaming, and i love it

I think the tracker box should have that dice jail door on the dice storage part. I would miss the nice dice jail storage.

Paladin logo and name as it is. Wyrmwood tree below it. Like at the end of the movie credits where there are multiple logos. People can understand collaboration.

Big fan of the "Paladin by Wryrmwood" idea, in whatever variant of that name. Also, non-leather? THANK YOU.

Could be cool to have the tracker box clip to the sides of the tray as well. Almost feel like the two sleeves would make it too tall/bulky for me, so having a single or even a double tracker box that runs vertically on the side could be cool Then again it might not pack away as nice as the two sleeves tho

hmmm do the Magnets on the sleeves also connect to other sleeves? Might be a cool way to keep adding on :)

I think you need both logos, and a combined one would be overly busy. Like the candles is probably a good idea. Big logo, paladin woodworking, small text, crafted by Wyrmwood.