Can too much safety kill people?

Brilliant and BROKEN Science 07 - When too much safety kills people. Nuclear radiation
Peter Ridd has been researching the Great Barrier Reef since 1984, has invented a range of advanced scientific instrumentation, and written over 100 scientific publications.
Since being fired by James Cook University for raising concerns about science quality assurance issues,1 Peter Ridd works unpaid as an Adjunct Fellow in the Project for Real Science run by the Institute of Public Affairs. ipa.org.au/
Also see realscience.org.au/
See also Peter Ridd’s science facebook page / drpeterridd
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  • @sailingaraluen
    @sailingaraluen6 ай бұрын

    Very well explained. We love your no nonsence videos.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks mate, feel free to watch the rest of our videos :) and you can support the channel by subscribing!

  • @galenicalhoover6508
    @galenicalhoover65086 ай бұрын

    I am a medical radiation worker. Last year, I received 22 rem (0.22 Sv) to my extremities (mainly hands) and 0.13 rem (0.0013 Sv) to my body (torso and lens of eye). The upper limit imposed by government is 50 rem to hands and 5 rem to body, so I'm safe... says the gummint. Anyway, we had a cable runner technician come in to set up a data port in our clean room. We told him that we handle RAM and that he had to wear a dosimeter. I told him that he was going to get no exposure as no sources were unshielded while he was working and this dude totally freaked out when he heard the area monitors ditting away. I tried to calm him with the "there is radiation all around us" argument, but he noiped out and refused to do the work. The company had to send another tech who was much more not freaking out. Some people are terrified of radiation. They don't believe that without radiation, the Universe does not exist. Great video. Let's build nuclear power plants that make isotopes for medical use and industry. Right now we import all reactor sourced materials from other countries. OMG, the stuff is flown in airplanes from Holland to St. Louis!!!

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Thank you for pointing that out. yes people are oblivious to what they cannot see

  • @axle.australian.patriot
    @axle.australian.patriot6 ай бұрын

    WOW! You really hit hard on a topic I have been attempting to get across to people for a long time. Not the nuclear part, but the broken way that risk is calculated and stated statistically. [Edit] More harm than good: Before I start I have to say that I don't promote drug use of any kind unless the benefits outweigh the risks. Smoking is deemed to be a high cause of death in Australia, but this is another of the cherry picked data models based upon a subjective agenda. Any person who dies of an illness and is also a smoker will be deemed to have died of a smoking related illness regardless of whether smoking play any significant roll or not. How many of these deaths should be attributed directly to obesity rather than smoking? Smokers pay an exorbitantly high tax to cover/pay for the medical cost of smoking related deaths (Which rarely goes toward smoking related illnesses). Smokers due to the high tax are less likely to get private or extended health care cover, less likely to live with a healthy diet and routines due to the tax related costs, and less likely to manage every day non smoking related illnesses due to the tax related cost. In effect the tax related costs put on tobacco are actually exasperating medical conditions not directly related to smoking. Smokers are suffering, and in many cases being refused medical treatment, and dyeing from the same preventable illnesses that are common in non smokers and not are smoking related. They have artificially exasperated the harm rather than reducing it. This warping of the statistics plus the addition of high tax costs has actually created a situation where people at more risk of harm from the tax solution than the original risks of smoking. > Another instance of this "More harm than good" is the current "Climate change" and "Green energy solutions" agenda. Yes, it is far more of a "subjective" political agenda than it is science. The reduction in use of reliable and economically sound energy production is diminishing the ability of society as a whole to survive. In effect the solutions are creating the problem that they are said to be solving. This subjective agenda based ideology falls into the description of "Self fulfilling prophecies", where we want so bad for the problem to be real and obtain validation for the problem that we ultimately create the problem that was not there to begin with. > Yes, the world has gone mad.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Interesting examples , agreeable

  • @axle.australian.patriot

    @axle.australian.patriot

    6 ай бұрын

    @@reefrebels Thank you Dr Ridd. I am surprised that my comment is still here. More often than not my comments like above get deleted for breaking some hidden and unknown YT Terms of service. Usually this results in a Shadow ban.

  • @lindsayheyes925

    @lindsayheyes925

    6 ай бұрын

    I did a risk assessment for eVs at work. This risk of a runaway battery fire was not great, but the safety distances and pollution control for one fire, linked to current Fire and Rescue Service praxis, would close our business and our neighbours' for an entire year. Add in the initial cost of an eV and the likelihood of a total loss of each one damaged, and the public liability insurance for car park fires becomes astronomical. Allowing eVs onto the premises is an existential threat. We are damaging our planet, and consequential flooding is another existential uninsurable threat, but the "Just Stop Oil" protesters dream of magical solutions to feeding our population, producing medicines and communication, and immediately solving iatrogenic climate change. Magical thinking is not an option, reliance on it will destroy civilisation and result in war for resources. We need science-based mathematical modelling to create the solutions for transition to net zero, not scare-mongering by stats and slogans. Lives are at stake. It has never been more important to be realistic, never more important to set aside fatalism. Activists who tout bad stats and modelling should be debunked at every level. The whole world needs to focus on the problem without unproductive distractions.

  • @JohnWilliams-iw6oq
    @JohnWilliams-iw6oq6 ай бұрын

    It was interesting to hear on the wireless that scientists in Queensland have bred a strain of coral that can withstand high temperatures and are introducing this new strain into the wild. I can't help noting that cane toads were also introduced in order to fix a problem and look what happened there! Then there's the scientists who crossed bees with wasps and created the killer swarms that escaped into the wild. What could go wrong with a new strain of coral? It also occurred to me that further north around the equator the corals live quite happily in warmer conditions and nobody has had to help them along. It's amazing what a mere $459 million can achieve. Thanks for the dose of sanity Peter.

  • @axle.australian.patriot

    @axle.australian.patriot

    6 ай бұрын

    I have to say that your concerns are noteworthy. I always get a slight dose of the jitters when people try to play god with naturally resilient ecosystems :(

  • @scottw2317

    @scottw2317

    6 ай бұрын

    reminds me of a story where some northern european scientists created an agressive bacteria that quickly broken down almost any dead matter to ethanol. They were going to do a outside trial until someone with half a brain cell stopped them. Now in Australia and in particular in our Universities we see the push to remove anyone who disagrees with the 'accepted' dogma of the time which is where unfortunately Prof Ridd comes to mind.

  • @fuzzywzhe

    @fuzzywzhe

    6 ай бұрын

    In the 1980's there were constant warnings about the "killer bees" slowly moving north that would cause increased number of deaths. There were constant films about it, and the "news" constantly covered this "eventuality" - which never happened. In the 1990's it was claimed that frogs were going extinct. Bees were going extinct from colony collapse. The rainforests were going to disappear. We were going to have an ozone hole that was going to blind people and increase cancer risks. We just went through a pandemic that was going to "kill millions", and Donald Trump was going to start WWIII, no to mention climate change is going to kill us all. If it's in our "corporate media", it's false. They aren't always wrong, they just always lie.

  • @incognitotorpedo42

    @incognitotorpedo42

    5 ай бұрын

    It is dangerous to mess around with biology, because biology can have sex and reproduce. You can end up with WAY more organisms than you thought. Physical systems are a lot less risky.

  • @matttcoburn
    @matttcoburn6 ай бұрын

    nice one Pete

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks 👍

  • @jackwaycombe
    @jackwaycombe6 ай бұрын

    Always remember the old - and in my 80 years of experience, very true - adage. There are lies, damned lies - and statistics. As a young man I spent some time working as a lab technician for a variety of employers. I enjoyed the work and considered myself good at it. Until I worked in the labs of a research hospital. Where I found myself first amazed and then outraged with the liberties so many doctors and researchers took with statistical processes they clearly didn't even minimally understand. (Most of them couldn't add up a grocery bill.) Any challenge I made was met by, "You're just a lab assistant - get back to your work!" I left that job after less than a year - people were at risk, and I wanted nothing more to do with the place.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    probably a good decision to leave that kind of environment

  • @fredneecher1746

    @fredneecher1746

    3 ай бұрын

    That adage about statistics is misleading. You might as well say there are lies, damn lies and words. That fact is that statistics is a counting of heads, nothing more. For stats to lie you have to be a liar, either deliberately or through incompetence. The truth is that most people are not as good with numbers as they are with words, so they don't spot the lies so easily.

  • @jamestaylor8577
    @jamestaylor85776 ай бұрын

    Seriously loving these videos. Very common sense and informative.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks! We strive to create more video and please check out the previous ones. You can also support this channel by subscribing:)

  • @jamestaylor8577

    @jamestaylor8577

    6 ай бұрын

    @@reefrebels No worries, but I've pretty much binge-watched all of your videos, haha. Keep up the amazing work!

  • @ChemEDan
    @ChemEDan6 ай бұрын

    Wow, this needs more views. Very well done.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Yes please help us share this and perhaps consider subscribing as well :)

  • @deanroslynmengel5575
    @deanroslynmengel5575Ай бұрын

    Keep up the good work Peter TRUTH is critical.

  • @AviationSports1978
    @AviationSports19786 ай бұрын

    Love your work mate.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the support and please consider subscribing !

  • @tnlshow
    @tnlshow5 ай бұрын

    Excellent take on a topic covered elsewhere plenty already. Can't commend you enough on providing that point of difference making your video worth watching alongside others.

  • @pedroortiz4506
    @pedroortiz45065 ай бұрын

    I've been saying this forever, but this video explains it way better than me.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks , hopefully more people will be aware now

  • @cryptickcryptick2241
    @cryptickcryptick22415 ай бұрын

    The same thing can happen in other areas. Seat belt laws, Child car seat requirement, sensors to turn off air bags, truck bumpers. A few years ago there was a news station that did a sensational story about cars crashing into semi trucks and decapitating the occupants when the cars slid sideways under a tailer. (Hint: it is best not to crash a small car into a big truck.) Some company had developed a bumper that could save this from happening. That said, it was the wrong thing to do. The bumper, held under the truck had to be strong, and to be strong it had to add weight. About 800 pounds or 2% of the trucks carrying capacity. (Context: the legal maximum weight for a semi is 80,000 pounds. In real life most trucks weigh about 30,000 pounds and haul about 32,000 pounds of goods. The weight must be distributed properly over the wheels, and more weight reduces milage and fuel effciency.) If you add 800 pounds of weight in safety equipment you are cutting down the load of the trucks which means you need to run more trucks, if you run more trucks you are going to have more accidents. Some of these numbers are easy to calculate; (how many truck miles driven per year, how many people die in truck accidents per year); what is the risk of killing someone on each mile of road driven.) Some are more complex. In my case of trucks, the easy way to figure it out was to consider weight, cargo and trucks, and then the number of people killed via the under truck accidents (~600) per year. This requires thinking, something some people are not good at.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing this example

  • @helloicanseeu2
    @helloicanseeu25 ай бұрын

    nice chill story telling, you have a soothing voice tyty

  • @Johnnycdrums
    @Johnnycdrums6 ай бұрын

    5 Kilograms of Uraniam contained in the first three feet of topsoil in your backyard? I take it your backyard is big? No brag just fact, but it's O.K. if you just tell us the exact size of your yard, and give us the Latitude and Longitude.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    roughly 1000m2, if dig down 1m , thats 1million kgs of soil , at 5ppm = 5kg

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    1/4 acre roughly. Standard for old Ozzy towns@@reefrebels

  • @davidrogers8030

    @davidrogers8030

    6 ай бұрын

    Guessed it was Oz to be so Uranic, but this surprised me too.

  • @abcde_fz
    @abcde_fz6 ай бұрын

    MY FAVORITE EXAMPLE: OSHA/CPSC REGS REQUIRE WARNING LABELS ON LADDERS. This stupid government mandate, meant to protect stupid people, adds to production cost of ladders, so much so that manufacturers had to cut spending in other areas. What area? Employee health benefits. This change cost more lives than it saved.

  • @incognitotorpedo42

    @incognitotorpedo42

    5 ай бұрын

    Do you have data that demonstrates that claim? Stickers are very cheap, and some people actually heed warnings.

  • @Nuts-Bolts
    @Nuts-Bolts3 ай бұрын

    Radioactive Drew is a surprisingly interesting channel. He travels around looking for objects or locations which are above background levels… Its fascinating.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    3 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the recommendation

  • @itspice8737
    @itspice87376 ай бұрын

    interesting video!

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks ! Please help the channel by subscribing :)

  • @CitizenShane54
    @CitizenShane5421 күн бұрын

    Next you’ll be telling us smoking tobacco is completely harmless.

  • @aymarstadler1981
    @aymarstadler19815 ай бұрын

    words of wisdom

  • @fredneecher1746
    @fredneecher17463 ай бұрын

    Small amounts of damage from moderate radiation can be repaired by the body's normal system. That is why radiation treatments are given in instalments. Between treatments the body has time to repair the damage to 'good' tissue while the cancerous tissue, which has received a higher dose, does not have time to heal and so dies. This is also why small amounts of exposure to radiation in day to day life are harmless.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    3 ай бұрын

    yes most people are radiophobic despite these facts

  • @amazing763

    @amazing763

    3 ай бұрын

    @@reefrebels Yes, all radiophobic people must immediately take the magic pill that removes potassium 40 from their bodies! And no bananas. Positively no bananas.

  • @jeremycrochtiere6317
    @jeremycrochtiere63175 ай бұрын

    Thing about radiation is that there are different types of radioactive decay, thetes alpha and beta decay, On contains high energy nucleases of ionized atoms, and the other gives off a form of Beta Radiation that doesnt penetrate well, but can get on clothing your hair, skin and the environment and Give off Beta Particles for Decades. This causes the most significant problems over the long term especially when such beta radioactive decay products are consumed as they don't penetrate deeper than the skin.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing

  • @Nuts-Bolts
    @Nuts-Bolts6 ай бұрын

    Gosh. You don’t half look like the guy that Tom Nelson had on his channel about a year back on the 26 Aug 2022. Anyway, Tom had a nuclear engineer named Hügo on saying the same thing about how the dangers from nuclear facilities and radiation generally are miss understood. Even that perhaps a small amount of ionizing radiation aids ‘hormesis.’ Hormesis is defined as a phenomenon in which a harmful substance gives stimulating and beneficial effects to living organisms when the quantity of the harmful substance is small. Hügo Krüger: The Nuclear Narrative - Tom Nelson Pod 29 Jul 2023 Personally. If I find myself explaining how/why radiation is everywhere, then I find the chart in the Wikipedia article ‘Banana equivalent dose’ most useful for comparisons.

  • @lindsayheyes925
    @lindsayheyes9256 ай бұрын

    Excellent, and about time too. Hydroelectric power generation is the most dangerous of all, apparently, because dams can burst. The Three Gorges Dam hasn't yet broken, but there is a high possibility that it will do so eventually, and devastate a vast, highly populate area of China. I that way, rare incidents with extreme numbers of casualties can suddenly skew risk calculations. Some terrible accidents are inevitable in the fullness of time. Others are almost routine, like toddlers grazing their knees, but the ones that matter are the life-changers. But there are some risks that we must take in the balance of things. For example, if we train people for defence, some will die in training - but we must weigh that up against the possibility that training must prepare them for much higher dangers - and if we do not prepare for war, the consequences could be awful. A culture of avoidance of all risk, or of sanction for every mishap, would be dangerous indeed... and no fun at all.

  • @klausmuhlhoff1464
    @klausmuhlhoff1464Ай бұрын

    Hi Peter , I love your clips on KZread . I was just thinking about the Reactors being targets in war ? Russia has hinted at doing so.

  • @jeremycrochtiere6317
    @jeremycrochtiere63175 ай бұрын

    Lowest possible lethal dose of Tylenol is much lower depending on a persons ability to metabolise it any alcohol or Cannabidiol or CYP450 Inhibitors that reduces its elimination can cause lethal Liver damage and failure As low as 3000mg which is equivalent to 6 extra strength tablets.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing this

  • @MirceaKitsune
    @MirceaKitsune6 ай бұрын

    This accurate description almost reminds me of something recent. Not quite sure what: May be something that started at the beginning of 2020 and only ended in early 2023, where not only a gross overestimation of mortality but even fake statistics causing people to convince themselves of untrue things which may have had effects such as shutting down the entire world, which among other things also caused far more deaths than the thing they thought to be a deadly risk ever would have.

  • @MirceaKitsune

    @MirceaKitsune

    6 ай бұрын

    Fun fact, shitty cowards at KZread: The video is 5 days old. Nobody even reads most of these comments or responds to them. Yet you're still going to censor comments completely at random just to take revenge on your users, because the diarrhea runs through your veins like that and you can't control what you are.

  • @MirceaKitsune

    @MirceaKitsune

    6 ай бұрын

    Oh nice: I'm simply not allowed to comment anywhere on this channel at all! Just discovered it actually: Wonder what sensitive topic this is about, that's considered so dangerous in combination with me the platform has to automatically hide anything and everything I say here for everyone else.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    it is not censored. what you say is agreeable.

  • @MirceaKitsune

    @MirceaKitsune

    6 ай бұрын

    @@reefrebels Interesting... thanks for confirming this! To clarify my comments toward KZread: They now use an automated censorship algorithm that either auto-delete what you say in 20 seconds if they find a random word it doesn't like, or only hide your comment from being seen by others which can be verified if someone has another account. Upon posting my comment, it stayed up but wouldn't appear for others, thus I presumed they did it again. Did you choose to manually approve them perhaps? I'm so used to everything being censorship bots I forgot that might still be a thing on the platform in which case it makes sense, there's no way to know and tell the difference due to how horribly they're going about it.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Yes we have to manually approve them as Dr Ridd doesn’t want any defamation cases where high profile figures get criticised and avoid any litigation possible. We appreciate your participation in the comments

  • @Johnnycdrums
    @Johnnycdrums6 ай бұрын

    Subbed, and after the first sentance, more or less. Lucky me, this channel popped up in my feed.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Welcome aboard! Thanks for the support

  • @theeraphatsunthornwit6266
    @theeraphatsunthornwit62666 ай бұрын

    Very logical and clever. If i own a country i will surely invite him

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Yes Dr Ridd is a great candidate !

  • @gingertom56

    @gingertom56

    5 ай бұрын

    You can have him please send a one way ticket and he's yours.

  • @Tyneras
    @Tyneras6 ай бұрын

    I think if we stopped calling these very-very-indirect deaths "deaths" and instead referred to it as "lost lifetime years" it'd be far more accurate, or at least less sensational. Saying that 4000 people lost 5 lifetime years (that is, died 5 years earlier than we think they should have had they not been exposed) is bad, but it doesn't conjure up the mental image of a giant pile of corpses. I think it would also make it easier to talk about other things, like the indirect damage soldiers face on the battlefield that similarly degrade their expected lifespan. After all, we don't say that all our soldiers will be killed from going to battle because they all lost a few months to years off their expected lifespan from the harsh conditions even if they never saw direct combat.

  • @incognitotorpedo42

    @incognitotorpedo42

    5 ай бұрын

    But if these "lost lifetime years" are predicted based upon LNT, then they're just BS. For all we know those people GAINED lifetime years. Look into "Radiation Hormesis". You might be surprised.

  • @bigballz4u
    @bigballz4u6 ай бұрын

    What you said at 7:39 is wrong, according to the chart, nuclear is the second safest behind solar, and the cleanest. The are more reasons to reject nuclear than the safety of it though, for example it is insanely expensive and they create a large carbon debt for the plant to be built, with those large silos made of concrete. Some plants begin construction and never get built, there was a project in the U.S. in which 7 billion was spent, and then it was abandoned. Solar has a big advantage over nuclear, because unlike power plants which have to be eventually decommissioned, solar panels can be infinitely recycled at the end of their life. It is also far cheaper.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    Well spotted thanks. Yes I made a mistake there. Solar is a bit better but they are both extremely safe. Nuclear is not as expensive as solar if you need reliable power. Solar needs huge batteries which make it expensive. Solar also has a huge carbon footprint in their construction. I am a fan of solar for places like Australian provided one only tried to use it for about 25% of your power. More than that and it is too expensive due to the need for backup sources. Also the Chinese are quite capable of building Nukes so the disaster to which you refer is more to do with incompetence and over regulation (too much safety) than the economics of nuclear.

  • @bigballz4u

    @bigballz4u

    6 ай бұрын

    @@reefrebels I would suggest you look more into solar vs nuclear, because from what I've seen, a solar project is much cheaper to build than a nuclear one of similar power generation. Perhaps do a video on it too, just please give solar a fair shake, because at this time, it's just not feasable to be building huge nuclear plants that cannot be recycled unlike solar panels while our climate is in crisis.

  • @chrisruss9861

    @chrisruss9861

    5 ай бұрын

    @@bigballz4u As a layperson I had the perception it is difficult to recycle solar plant materials. If you go for one key element the process does not allow for other elements to be extracted.

  • @kazzxtrismus

    @kazzxtrismus

    5 ай бұрын

    as a layperson i know the line up of greenies looking to cause problems add red tape and generally do everything they can to interfere and stop a nuclear power plant is so high that north america will never get the electric car levels and general conversion away from propane and natural gas that they desire they are sabotaging their own goals and risking the world and environment because of an ignorant and bigoted view and belief about nuclear power... canadian candu reactors and their modern counterparts and even the newer models are basically incapable of a high profile accident beyond basic construction injuries without intentional sabotage being a major contributor to the cause

  • @gingertom56

    @gingertom56

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@chrisruss9861do a google screach and you will find 95% of solar and wind is recycleable.

  • @gbear1005
    @gbear10055 ай бұрын

    Like... Covid precautions and the vaxx were far more damaging than the "disease". Stay safe ya'll

  • @Iowa599
    @Iowa5996 ай бұрын

    @5:00 "25% chance of dieing" In the United States there were 2.3 deaths per 1 million blood related (platlets, plasma, or whole) transfusions in 2007, & 1.12 per million in 2016… (among recipients, not donors, but that's even more rare) I think your percentage was a bit off!

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    6 ай бұрын

    thats if we use the linear no threshold hypothesis

  • @tunneloflight
    @tunneloflight6 ай бұрын

    You exemplify broken science quite well. Your own.

  • @succubiuseisspin3707
    @succubiuseisspin37075 ай бұрын

    Small correction right in the beginning: Not WAS expensive and messy. It IS expensive and messy, and still will be for a veeeery long time. Both Fukushima and Chernobyl are far from over.

  • @tinymetaltrees
    @tinymetaltrees4 ай бұрын

    😂 Don't worry! Science has already lost all credibility.

  • @reefrebels

    @reefrebels

    4 ай бұрын

    sad fact, at least few scientists with integrity like Dr Ridd is not going down without a fight