It's either age, loss of horsepower or a driver issue, but the 944 Turbo originally clocked in at 13.9sec (0-60 5.5sec) and the BMW M5 14.6 secs (0-60 6.3sec) back in the day.

@richarderrington9478

Жыл бұрын

Driving I think!! I stopped watching after the first race, it was just silly.

@skip741x3

Жыл бұрын

@@richarderrington9478 Ive seen old ladies in electric shopping carts at walmart get off the line quicker!

@shelby5898

6 ай бұрын

A healthy 944 turbo is faster than that

@sebastianm.8383

24 күн бұрын

the 944 Turbo has a "turbo-hole", so, if you want a proper sprint, you have to start with certain rpm before engaging....

First car I ever drove was my dad's 944. They will ALWAYS have a special place in my heart.

That was a fun video. I would love to see your vintage sports cars against a modern Camry/Accord or even a minivan.

@VcArena

Жыл бұрын

My 1987 Mitsubishi starion turbo got gapped a Nissan rogue, and a Ford f250 with a 4 wheeler in the bed and 2 people. I couldn't see myself buying any of them without an engine swap

@erikberg8098

Жыл бұрын

I would love to see these against a Honda Odyssey!

@VcArena

Жыл бұрын

@@erikberg8098 same here as we have one lol

I would have liked to have seen an 87 Buick GN against the Supra.

@EGGINFOOLS

2 жыл бұрын

The GN was sweet but the GN wasn't that fast. The Supra would beat it. The GNX would be a whole different story. The legacy behind GNs are better than the actual performance

@chir0pter

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t matter what the car is it would have to be ridiculously overpowered to negate the grandmother style launch they do. They’re not going to risk breaking anything as tommy pointed out

@bradleyhollon6085

2 жыл бұрын

@@chir0pter yeah i was hoping to see some actual competition

@andrewsolis2988

2 жыл бұрын

All these cars would smoke a GN honestly, that's why

@sstevocamaro

2 жыл бұрын

@@EGGINFOOLS They ran 13.8’s back in the 80’s. That was FAST!

Since you have a 944 on hand, it would be really interesting to do a comparo with a GR86. On paper, they are very similar in terms of size, weight, and power.

I don't think that's the fastest version of the 944 Turbo, that looks like an 87 version, or at least the wheels are from an 87; the pre-1989 versions only had 217 HP, but the Turbo S, and the 89s had 247. I had a 1989 Porsche 944 Turbo, and LOVED that car. Eventually took it to PowerHaus in Arizona, and had a 2.8 conversion done, with a hybrid K27 turbo and other work. Ended up with 500+ RWHP and 520 Ft/lbs torque at 1.2 bar boost. IT handled incredibly well, and for its day was stinking fast after those mods, but wouldn't even rate these days. My car ended up being featured in Excellence magazine, here in the USA. Miss that car...

@WA-eg7ft

2 жыл бұрын

My 86, not stock was 310 HP

@The80shilling

2 жыл бұрын

@@WA-eg7ft Chipped only, or did you do some other work? I loved that car, but crashed mine at speed at Sonoma Raceway, when the oil line blew off my Turbo.

@WA-eg7ft

2 жыл бұрын

@@The80shilling chip, turbo upsized and a blowoff

@CaptFrankRizzoFilms

Жыл бұрын

I remember reading about your car in Excellence! I had a 1985 944 at the time. Dreamed of hotrodding a turbo.

So according to your logic, an 18,3sec M535i should race along the new fast contender, and not the 17,8sec 944...Εven when the latter could run again with full boost...

Brought back memories. I had a 951 for 23 years and you definately have to learn how to drive it fast at low speeds. On bost it wasa flyer. The 535is was and is a great car as well. In ts day it would beat Camaros and Firebirds, However the 951 was a high spead champ eating Mustangs, 911s, C4 Corvettes, etc. Thanks!

@87_951

Жыл бұрын

They nerfed the 951 from the factory to keep it from blowing away the 911. I was impressed with how much power a Jetta 1.8T made from a chip ... but this 951 ... 😂 I can't imagine how people felt about it 35 years ago with basic mods.

The 80’s icons may be slow, but they are beautiful!

Love the sound of the flat6 911.

I almost wish they held off telling us ALL quarter mile times until the end, maybe as a chart or summary breakdown. Share 0-60 times throughout, but help me build suspense and pretend I don't know who will win.

Great video. Sitting in one of those is like going back in time

This is real world testing. Love it. Even thought my favorite are your off road reviews

Loved the video but I think a modern camry would beat the 3 80s vehicles Loved the music too

Thanks for the fun vid. Put a smile on my face going into the weekend.

I was surprised to see how slow those cars are, my 1.9TDI runs 16.4s in the 1/4 mile

@MaDcOw1986

Жыл бұрын

They launched the cars very poorly. You can clearly see the stance of the front of the car every time they launch.

@camaromhs1178

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, my 89 RS Camaro 2.8 V6 runs 17.6s in the 1/4 mile. However if your car is NA for every 1000 feet above sea level you lose 3% hp. That adds up fast. I know that Colorado Springs is 6000 feet above sea level. I don't know where they are in Colorado but they say they are a mile above sea level. I believe my 94 Z28 has 253 whp at 500 or 600 feet. So in Colorado Springs it would have around 211. Boosted cars do better but still lose some power.

@BlacKi-nd4uy

3 ай бұрын

@@MaDcOw1986 they probably didnt want to break em. well, didnt worked out.

One of your best videos ever. Tommy in costume and Nathan's wit were spot on.

Fun video guys . I had a 87 944 turbo back in the day , it was a fun car to drive in the twisties but not great off the line . Even a new Toyota 86 base stick shift which is the Best Buy on the planet right now will blow these old classics away

@gregkramer5588

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, as will a Tucson Hybrid. Pretty funny!

@douglasf13

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. Probably by about a half second 0-60 and in the quarter. Chip the 951 and that changes. Spend a little more money on an exhaust and a few mods, and the 951 is a rocket. The 951 in this test isn’t performing up to par, even stock.

The 944 is a great car. A few mods to help with boost and charge cooling, and that would be a lot more competitive. You'd also have to drive it like you mean it. Looking at you, Tommy:-)

@nielsdebakker3283

Жыл бұрын

never got a good launch...

I am curious how your 80’s C4 Corvette would do against that 4 cyl. Supra. So far it’s cubic inches under the hood have smoked all the other classics. What would classic analog muscle do against modern turbos & digital computing?

Love it! Do more of these!!

The 944 turbo has some issues as it should be much quicker and you were reading the boost gauge wrong. It doesn't make 2 bar of boost(28ish #). 1 bar on gauge is Atmospheric pressure, below is vacuum, so you had zero boost on the second run. A single run would not cause heat soak, so you had zero boost on the second run. These cars will do run after run no problem

@gerryk9025

Жыл бұрын

Vacuum leaks

This was kind of like starting to read a book while already knowing how it ended. Enjoyed the video, thanks guys!

Love this!!!!! Keep it up guys.

When you guys want, a slightly tuned 944 Turbo is available near Boulder for you to test against these cars.

2:25 that was a very "Clarkson-hammond" exchange right there. lol

Man I wanted a 944 Turbo so bad!

Also the "M5" and 911 have the N/A engine altitude loss disadvantage being at 5280ft. The BMW at sea level would be fun! There is a reason I only buy Turbo vehicles in CO. Less loss and easier to add power. Great video though! I would add, that even modern turbo cars heatsoak pretty bad back to back runs without proper upgraded intercoolers or cooling.

Interesting that you had to go back 30 years to find a car that the BMW Supra is faster than.

@TheChill001

2 жыл бұрын

one would wonder what the result would have been if they just brought a 1989 supra twin turbo... everyone loves and drools for the mk IV, but the Mk III is my favorite.

@redcar9949

2 жыл бұрын

It's faster than plenty of cars these days. And no, it's not a BMW, it's still very much a Toyota. Grow up.

@jonwoodworker

2 жыл бұрын

@@redcar9949 Do your research before you make stupid comments. There is not one single part on the Supra that's manufactured by Toyoto...not even the badges.

@redcar9949

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonwoodworker looks like you should do YOUR research before YOU look stupid. There are many BMW parts on the supra but that does not make it a BMW especially when Gazoo racing was solely responsible for the integration of these parts into the new Supra. You wouldn't call the Mk4 supra a Lotus or a Yamaha would you?

@asifnoaman8978

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonwoodworker get your brain sorted, the suspension setup, chassis stiffening, damping, body, aerodynamis and engine tuning is done by Toyota

We need a race between the Supra, Z, stinger. Unfortunately three diamonds seems to be out of the game these days. Wish you brought out the underdog Santa Cruz with the 2.5T. Wonder how it fairs against the 2.0T Supra

You guys have a knack for answering the questions that nobody is asking. I'd love to see a video about your creative process sometime. Check out my new base Supra! Yeah but is it faster than that 40 year old Porsche???

Of course, what one can't measure in a speed race is the fun one has while driving any of these cars.Well, I guess one can but it isn't about the speed to me...it is something that one has to feel in the seats, the Twisties, the driver car connections that for me, I'll take anyone of the 80's vehicles over a new car regardless of the top speed or 1/4 mile times.

I wonder whether my e-golf would beat the oldies!? But sure would like an M535! So cool!

Loved this guys very enjoyable

I would love to see the Supra up against a turbo trans am

I find this abusive to 80s icons. The 911 915 gearbox was never meant for drag racing, especially when the transmission was cold. I don’t know why everyone is so fixated In straight line performance, that was never what those three cars were about.

Great video, loved it.

I love these old school car races

Great video keep them coming my favorite out of the four is the 911 always love that car!!!

Something was wrong with that 944. Stock test times were mid 15's in the quarter. My guess is boost leak somewhere.

@stevend3753

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what happens when you bog it off the line every time and every car.

@jamesbeaman6337

2 жыл бұрын

The elevation difference would account for most of the difference, I’m thinking.

@chrismktgpsu

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbeaman6337 ah perhaps so...that combined with a tired engine/turbo

@jamesbeaman6337

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrismktgpsu I’m sure that didn’t help much either.

@bradleyhollon6085

2 жыл бұрын

Its old and wore out

You guys have the best job! Cheers 🍻

Next time do the classics vs a current everyday car like a Honda Accord.

Outstanding! Thank you

I love the 1989 Porsche 944 Turbo. It is one of my favorite cars of all time.

I would love to race my 94 Z28 against those cars. I have no idea how it would do at that altitude but it would be fun.

The 8 speed automatic was the straw that broke the camel's back in this showdown.

It's an all German drag race. One car just has a Toyota badge on it.

There was no question. That 2.0 litre has huge torque so far down in the revs,,,,,,. Fun video nonetheless!! Roman had a very good launch in the BMW in that race too!! Haha.

I love the 80s and I never been there. I daily drive a 87 325i. Also just acquired a 1987 4Runner turbo, only 128k miles

My 944 Turbo ('89 951 with 250 Horses) did 0 to 100 Kilometers/h in 5,9 seconds - thats still today a good number. And top speed on the tach nearly 290 km/h (in reality about 265 km/h...)

@skip741x3

Жыл бұрын

Could be the altitude and the fact that the launches here were pretty aweful... granted, they probably didnt want to destroy those old classics... I always thought turbos made consistant HP irregardless of altitude becuz they maintain a preset constant boost...

@Toni62R

Жыл бұрын

@@skip741x3 In reality the 944 turbo was very mighty at the start because of the heavy gearbox in the back and his stable supension. In the 90s when I drove my 944 turbo, only once a time a car was realy faster than mine - and that was the big brother, the 911 turbo...

great video would have been a perfect eighties line up if you had a c4 vette!

Outstanding music comparisons

Tommy gets sassier in every video and it's great.

@Kiss__Kiss

2 жыл бұрын

LMAO!!! I Spit out my caramel Frap!!!! when I heard him talking about the 700+HP RAM TRX!!!

geez, my first car was an 86' civic si with 91hp, in the late 90's I ran a 17.1 1/4 mile at Orlando speed world.

shoulda compared it to the brz. iconic cars vs notoriously slow modern sports car.

@beexiong2995

2 жыл бұрын

Only the 2nd generation brz is packing 228hp non turbo and weighs in at 2800lbs. It would beat these old cars still lol

The 944 turbo wasn't much less expensive than the 911 back then. The 930 on the other hand....

watching those older cars race is like watching paint dry! Its amazing how what was fast is now slow.

I'm partial to the 911 of I'm going toward an old foreign car. The yesteryear engineering makes it easy to work on and the parts availability, while expensive, is at least out there in the market. Maybe doing a rolling start to prevent not just a clutch dying, but the expen$IVE transmission from blowing up?

Can only just imagine how dead that '44 Turbo is at altitude. They have, what, 8:1 compression ratio and almost nothing off the line even at sea level. Of course, that slingshot effect and tricky launch was half the fun for me.

Interesting fact about the 2.0 supra. At sea level, it has been tested by car and driver and other publications to be faster than the mk4 2JZ supra in acceleration and quarter mile. 13.4 at 105. Not bad for less than 300hp. The 370Z which makes close 330hp will match that.

Indy500 Firestone tires are a bargain performance tire! I had them on my Abarth500 and loved them!

You guys have the best jobs.

the band were called Nena, the singers name was Gabrielle Kerner, however because the band name sounded so much like Nina, most people just assumed the female singer fronting them was a woman called Nina, so much so in fact she is also often mixed up with German punk rock singer Nina Hagen who is a completely unrelated artist

I love your R40 cap. RIP N.P.

What was the song that was played when the 911 was called the Eric Clapton or Red Nugent of the group? Sounded great.

Fun reminder on how slow these old sports cars were.

I still have one of these BMW's people don't realise how good they are that engine sounds so great and is so smooth.

Fun video guys, great music choices really gave it an 80's vibe. Having some experience with these cars :-) I'll take the M5

Fun video. Most enthusiasts would find the three 80’s cars not the high performance versions of the Marques.

87 Starion/conquest would’ve been great for the line up.

Roman said BTS! 😂 good analogy! We’ll kind of.

HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE

First off didn't realize you were father and son that is awesome. Honestly a 1987 Supra turbo would have beaten all three of your classics and gave the BMyota a way better challenge as well.

Best Intro theme song keep that one!

Great vid! The issue with the supra is that the 944, 911 and M5 will always be infinitely cooler than it is 🥰

There is a easy fix for the 944 overheating/low power problem, just install a lower temp fan switch. I had a 87 944 turbo and I noticed in the summer time the temp gauge would get up to the mid point and the car would start to lose power. After installing the lower temp switch the needle would stay around the first mark on the gauge. The only downside is the fan will run almost all the time around town and only cut off when you are on the highway. But the car will have full power all the time and never overheat. And by the way my current car a 88 944 Turbo S would give that Supra a run for the money.

@douglasf13

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, whether a plain 951 or an S, yank the cat and chip it, and it flies. Spend a little more, and it’s a rocket!

I got to drive an '88 944 Turbo in '88. I was in the Navy and flew into John Wayne airport on leave. My brother in law and his brother, a Dr, picked me up in the Dr's new 944 Turbo for ride down to Solano Beach, Ca. My BIL kept nagging his brother that he was driving like a puss. He convinced his brother to let me drive. Nineteen years old, hauling ass in a new 944 Turbo, being coached by my BIL, while the Dr is screaming for me to stop. Lol.

Do you have a new member on the team ?

really wants to see a 3rd gen sienna vs E28 M5

Guys great video we definitely need roman and Nathan in track suits next time lol. So question what sorta service has been done on the 944 I might have missed any report on it's condition from prior videos but has it had a tune up lately what's the service history ? I think like most it should have been alottt faster regardless of heat soak. Perhaps taking them on a cool down drive after might help too vs parking them after those runs ..

Good stuff guys! The 944 beating the 911 surprised me. The video looks like you guys are barely taking off at the start? Give me the Supra.

depending on what state you're in the cars from the 80s are considered Classic but not yet antique though for example a 1973 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible is considered an antique because the 73 model year launched in fall 1972

Wish you brought 1989 above 944 Turbo which I had it has 250hp and it was fast and really fun to drive. Wish I can have one again but price is so high now in Japan. I'll choose 944 Turbo but again must be above 1989 Turbo

I love the 944.

I like the comparisons but think your old cars need some work. I remember running a 17.1 1/4 mile in my old 82 Supra (non turbo) with its 145hp 2.8 6cyl. That new Supra is fast but pricey. I’d love to see it go up against a slightly modded GR86. See if you can get that kind of performance or more for a lot less.

They were so scared to launch these cars and break them lmao

@chir0pter

2 жыл бұрын

Right, the 80s cars never had a chance. I think an f40 would have been beaten the way they would drive it

1989 and later 944 Turbos had 247 bhp and sub 14 second quarter mile

Whens the manual transmission Supra come out?

Not sure why it’s so hard to launch the 944. I got way better times with mine years ago. Then when you up to boost-forget it. Maybe it needs a clutch?

At 10:25. One 1 bar of pressure and normally 2. Tommy. You should learn about the car. 1 bar is 1 bar "absolute" not 1 bar "gauge" on that car. You were making almost no boost. Get an add-on gauge. And get the car running right.

My thinking is, if that 80's Bimmer would be a real serious M3, it would woop ass.

Are those little clocks you guys use accurate? Why not use a Draggy??

Nice Miami Vice soundtrack.

Tommy, your jacket and shirt are great. Everyone tries to be retro these days.

i was born in 1987 --- so that 35years boys ;) nice episode

I got a 944 turbo. If you want to launch it fast you have to rev it much higher.

The 5 series is a great looking car I’d still take that if you’d ask me. You can keep all the others including the BMW Supra.

Great video. Ya know even though it's so much faster, I'd rather own any one of the other cars. Assuming they're in good condition.

Out of a 2liter Supra or a GR86 which would u prefer,

Awesome 944 Turbo, enjoy.