Thanks to MANSCAPED for sponsoring today’s video! Get 20% OFF + Free International Shipping + 2 Free Gifts with promo code “MECHA” at mnscpd.com/MechaGaikotsu

@undeadboll

2 жыл бұрын

apparently according to a comapny called clarus who make white boards and the pens: " The difference between dry erase markers and permanent markers is the kind of polymer used. Permanent markers use an acrylic polymer that helps the pigment stick to surfaces, while dry erase markers use an oily silicone polymer."

@ronesquad4057

2 жыл бұрын

Hi ihave a question can a water based calligraphy pen crack the plastic

I started out panel lining kits with fine tip sharpies and I've had 0 problems with it breaking down plastic long-term and by long-term I mean 7 years

@anho0101

2 жыл бұрын

What do you use to clean up the excess?

@ishanparikh5587

2 жыл бұрын

@@anho0101 I personally use a drop of water on an ear cleaner (forgot what those are called lol), and they work well

@NightBladeSpearichu

2 жыл бұрын

@@anho0101 I tend to use a damped paper towel.

@Oma_Ender

2 жыл бұрын

@@anho0101 Use to just use a wet q tip, nowadays I just use back washing and panel line markers to panel line

@kianung5873

2 жыл бұрын

I use an eraser

This sort of weird experimental content is why I love your channel, Mecha, my grey pour type panel liner is starting to run dry and this video came out at the perfect time!

I literally bought artist fine liner pens and I’m so happy I came across your video when I was looking up how to panel line! I will be using them with more confidence now for sure! Thanks MechaGaikotsu!

You should do a follow up video seeing on how the household pens possibly affect the plastic

I've actually been making gel-pens work, but as far as experience goes they work better on darker colors, it'll absolutely stain white

@mr.gunzaku437

2 жыл бұрын

Really I never thought about gel pens. The different color combinations would be nice. How long does it take to dry?

@adityakpximipa1144

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.gunzaku437 eh, probably 5-10 minutes

@travelingkenny1477

2 жыл бұрын

I have gel pens with sharp tips and is easy to remove overflow works well

@josephdonnluna4483

2 жыл бұрын

I also used it too.. Dong-A gel pens works well but it takes a few days to dry... I rather stick to Uni-pin 0.5, 0.3 and 0.1mm pens for now..

Fun fact: Dry erase markers will clean sharpie.

So I know you mentioned the Sharpie Paint-based markers, but I gotta re-emphasize them. Using Silver or Gold to panel line some of my kits makes them really POP! Really took my "easy detailing" game to the next level. And because it's liquidy, it spreads slightly over surfaces but has enough tension to itself to not completely run. Biggest gripe: Even if cleaning with isopropyl alcohol, it gets kinda smeary, so try not to goof!

@jasterthefathyena1843

2 жыл бұрын

a q-tip, slightly damped with lighter fluid makes cleaning Sharpie lines up super clean n' easy. Works much better than the isopropyl

@Kawashimaofficial

2 жыл бұрын

I've goofed tons of times on things with Sharpe Silver, and I unfortunately used a nail polish remover to get it off and I didn't know that it contained a whole lot of acetone.

@EcnoTheNeato

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasterthefathyena1843 Gotta try lighter fluid. Bought it ages ago for hobby stuff and barely used it. Thanks for the tip!

@samuellangley6936

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah lighter fluid for the win, either zippo or the ronsonol. I use the gold, silver and white oil based paint pens from sharpie all the time.

I've been using an artists fine liner for years. Called derwent 0.1. Comes in a pack of 3 and often is in hobby stores. The ink flows nicely and cleans up quickly with just a paper towel and dries with no issue. No cracks, no fuss a good alternative to official liner pens

@potatochobit

2 жыл бұрын

you mean Graphik Line Maker?

I've honestly used sakura micron pens for ever and they work fine. They are similar to the artist fineliners you show but are archival ink so dont fade or anything like that. you can also get color sets of the 005 nib

@nimblebimble

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve had major problems ruining the nibs, or at least I think that’s what happening, because they just stop working and no ink comes out. I have such easy access to micron pens, so they’re my go-to. But, I seriously won’t be able to get more that one kits’ worth of panel lining out of one 005 pen. Do you have any tips? Are my gorilla hands just pushing too hard? I try to be as gentle as possible, but certain angles seem to require a bit of pressure…. I’ve yet to hear of someone w a similar problem using microns.

@thomasmassey4232

Жыл бұрын

I found the mico pens work really great as a well just have to be really careful and steady

@thealliedpowers

Жыл бұрын

for me the ink just beads up and doesn't adhere, do you topcoat it before or something to give it some stick because the microns definitely did not work for me

The first kit I tried to panel line, my 2nd kit overall, was the Full Mechanics 1/100 Barbatos Lupus. My panel lining option was a mechanical pencil I had around my place and I've had the kit almost 2 years now and you can absolutely tell that I used pencil on it

For anyone curious I have used Sharpies and other similar permanent markers in the past, and will semi-regularly use the green and red sharpies to add small bits of color to a kit. Some of the kits I've used them on are a couple years old and don't show any signs of damage so I'd say feel free to use them with minimal risk

I destroyed my MG GP03S using Tamiya Panel line. It completely ate through the parts of my model. That being said, I tried using it again and it was perfect for my MG RX-78 3.0 when I sprayed each part with varnish BEFORE using the panel liner. Live and learn. As a bonus, the varnish left a non smooth surface that was less "plastic-ey" that I loved.

@shiroamada89

2 жыл бұрын

Tamiya panel line really will crack gunpla.. I don't know why it happen like that.. Certain parts won't crack and fill nicely into the lines.. My MG 00 7 sword G long sword crackes and brake after applying.. Need to use cement to glue them back together.. For me using enamel paint and thinner is better than Tamiya panel line accent

I like exclusively use fine black sharpies for black detailing on my kits. I don't panel line my kits, but I go in with black for vents or facial details on Gundams. I find it has a very clean glossy look to it, and I personally have no problem wiping it away with my thumb. I've always had hands that are rarely ever dry, so perhaps my finger oils are a contributor to it. I've had amazing results with them and I highly recommend them for black detailing if you're wanting it to have a clean, glossy look. Be warned tho, if it ends up in a crease or crevasse you don't want it in... it ain't easy to remove. I've been using them for years and have had no issues with it, doesn't fade or damage the plastic. Other sharpie colors will fade tho, such as red or yellow. Great video!

The pencil lead doubles as a weathering tool also.

@Kawashimaofficial

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, that's a good idea! I'll have to try that out sometime.

@joshuasvideogroud3693

2 жыл бұрын

Thats what I thought for several of these

Sakura Micron 003/005 Fits INSIDE the smallest of panel lines, and you just run it along the line, with no mess/cleanup. Colours are vivid af. Still on my kits in the same colour after like... 10 years.

After trying couples of pens and markers, I say that the Sharpie fineliner and White board marker do the trick. The Sharpie is good when you panelining ledges, edges, etc... while the WB marker can fill the gap line pretty good and easy to clean(a wet tissue is a you need). But be careful, the sharpie is kinda slip on the plastic surfaces, so you might want to sand them a little bit. That's my experience, hope that it can help you guys at least a little bit.

I'm going to assemble my very first Gundam Model Kit this weekend, and this video gave me the confidence to be creative and make something as best I can with the little resources I have. Wish me luck, and thanks for inspiring me to pick up this wonderful looking hobby!

Back in my early gunpla days I used to make do with art-grade acrylic paint diluted with water. It filled in the panel line just fine and can be erased very easily since art-grade acrylics are water based.

I used mechanical pencils very often when I first started out. I liked the subtle color and control I had over it but over time I learned that I much prefer darker paint panel lines. I use the Gundam panel line pens when I am being lazy but really prefer tamiya panel liner or valejo model wash. I might have to give the colored sharpie pins a try though because I've wanted to do colored panel lines but didn't feel like mixing paint. Great content.

My first kit was an HG Wing Zero earlier this year. I had no supplies except a permanent marker and a dry erase. Marked with the sharpie, cleaned up with the dry erase. It worked quite well actually and by my 2nd kit I had gone and purchased panel lining markers. I was hooked 😅

I've just been using gel pens and fine liner pens as well. I think it depends on the brand and how much ink it releases. I kinda like the slight dirtiness it gives since, depending on the placement and it's messiness/staining, it gives a slight weathered or dusty/smoked coat like on vents. For white parts, it gives it a... slight use and not new rollout. But that's just me, We're all builders and have our own styles. Will read more comments to see people's takes and their use of things as well

Hello, I just got my first Gunpla, HG RX78. I saw your video by chance last week and used a water marker I had in the house. It was a little messy but it was a good tool for a beginner, SUPER THANKS!!!!!

I started using the same 0.1mm artist fine liner you used here. I now have a grey and black gundam fine tip panel liner pens as well as making my own with watered down acrylic model paints

Sakura microns are a godsend. Nice lines, quetips for cleanup and you can produce nice fades on bare plastic as well that look like preshadeing.

I used my artist fine-liner to panel my hmm berserk fury and it’s been alright for the 2 years I’ve had them! Additionally just used a mix of fine liners and metallic sharpies to weather a astray red frame so hoping for the best there- it looks super cool at minimum.

I use both enamel panel liner and the artist liners you used. The brand of the black pen you used also comes in 0.05 and 0.03 if you want thinner lines than the 0.1 (which imo is already too thick for anything except MG/PG scale kits). It's also available in both dark and light grey!

I started with artist fine liner pens, then tried pencil, and recently, used waterbased acrylic paint marker. Needs a lot of cleanup, but am happy with the results

my personal favourites are Brush tip markers - they kinda act like a combo between the pour style and the white board markers, and using a simple eraser got rid of the excess! Really made the Moon Gundam pop with all the extra lil colours it's supposed to have!

A pencil (I used 8b) can be also used to create a gunmetal look in larger surfaces by the way.

Yeah, I used to use Sakura brand fine-tip pens from the art store. They worked great, and rubbing the overages had a nice weathering effect.

I find silver sharpies can allow you to get silver panel lines- which can be very helpful on black plastic. You can just use a pencil eraser to rub it off without solvent if you do it when you first apply it and it is still wet. I manage to panel line even with big old fat sharpies like that.

The GM markers for painting also works wonder, too. I once used the GM 08 on my HG Marchosias, mostly on his sword/mace wings& 4 mini swords to pop up its signature details just like images given by Bandai. Cleaning is the same as usual & I highly recommend using these markers on any dark-colored weapons (it doesn’t always have to be yellow btw).

love your humor with your kit reviews! keep them coming! happy new years!

Yesss this is what I needed

I only ever use Uni pigma fine liners to panel line all of my 30+ kits :) the difference in sizes from 0.03, 0.05, 0.1 ect. And the range of colours too is make them so great !

These mecha gaikotsu videos pop up every single day... keep it up

The very first panel liner i used were Gundam panel liners, but they will dry up after some times. Later i use artist liners, mechanical pencils, Sharpies and Tamiya panel line accents, and they are useful and have great effects. However, the solvent use to rub off the panel line accents might damage the plastics.

This was surprisingly helpful. Thanks Mecha Gaikotsu. I really dug the blue fine point permanent marker

I personally use fine tip sharpies and they work well. Any pump type fine tip works wonders. Metallic colors really pop on dark plastics.

My first gunpla (MG Barbatos) was panel lined with sharpie. To clean the lines, I used a large pencil eraser. Worked almost as good as gundam markers, IMO.

@t26e44

2 жыл бұрын

I’m still using grey sharpie to panel line after something like 2 RG and 4 high grades. On the Nu and the unicorn I kind of like how the grey kind of smudges on the white. It makes the gunpla look slightly dirty. I can clean the grey sharpie to the point where it doesn’t smudge at all by rubbing it with my finger a lot but I like it slightly smudged. Sometimes it’s annoying to get it into a small area, but other wise I’m fine with it

love it, personally i like to scour the lines with a chisel before doing the panel line markings so i can give more balance look

i use Tamiya's panel liner paint, like the pour style, just don't spill it as it weakens the plastic i also use sharpie for bigger areas (mainly the knee and elbow joints or small "screws" which come through from underneath the armour) or the bottom of feet and inside (non-light up) thrusters and inside of big vents, as it helps break up the sea of plain grey with some shiny black

I started mine with an artistic pen... The same one he used but it was a Staedtler Marsmatic pen (technical pen) since those are the ones I have back when I was in school... Still looks good on my Gunpla and no cracking of plastic...

there is actually official Gundam Marker branded mechanical pencils that comes with spare leads, also speaking of Sharpies affecting the plastic I still have a kit from almost 20 years ago that I panel line with Sharpie and the plastic is still intact to this day.

I started with regular inking sakura 0.5 pens long time ago. It works,but not with the same results as with some especialized pannel liners.

I honestly did not expect the Whiteboard marker to work so well either. Ive been using some fine tip markers but never whiteboard ones. Might actually reconsider them, thanks mecha!

I used watered down acrylic paint. It stays better than watercolors and you can make new colors if you want to. So long as you remove the excess quickly it wont stain your plastic.

I've tried some of those methods before. The artistic fineliners work wonders, and you can even find then in size 0.05. I also tried a 6B pencil and got nice results for a cheap and quick method. Another one I used is water-based black ink, which is a bitch to clean but you can get the darkest lines ever if you're into that

@Kawashimaofficial

2 жыл бұрын

My main issue is finding things that are small enough. The smallest thing I've got is a dead 0.3mm Pilot Hi-Tech C Knock S. It has ink in it, but it doesn't come out anymore for some reason.

@OverseerXIII

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kawashimaofficial the ink has probably dried up

i panel lined a kit with Uni pins and after 5 years it still looked okay, i am currently painting the kit and i haven't seen any cracks or damages caused by the fine liner

My former work senpai panel lines his kits with a paint brush and some paint. Considering he used to draw/paint as a hobby, he made it work wonderfully

Got my first gunpla this christmas, the humble pencil can't get into the grooves, but the subtle grey does accentuate the details without making it look too cartoony. Honestly I might just get a 0.5 mechanical pencil and use that for any white parts in the future, it looks pretty good imo

Sharpie is good for filling big recesses or smearing on to create a quick battle soot look, like they've done nothing but melee and barely dodged explosions.

When Moon Gundam came out, I got some colored artist fineliners for it. They. Are. Great. I was able to hit up all the lines, make it clean, and now it sits proudly on my shelf.

I use regular pencils but I sharpen it with an electrical sharpener and then use an X-Acto knife on the graphite to make it super thin. Works really well for me

Hey Mecha! I've just recently got into model building and I really wanted to get into the hobby so I made my first model kit the MG Barbatos. Needless to say I got hooked and started working on a Eva X Godzilla kiryu eva 01 color model kit (big mistake) and my friends are slowly getting into model kits. Had it not been for your videos I wouldn't have gotten inspired by your amazing dedication and work. Also I hope one day you would review the Barbataurus model kit, I dont have it but I would love to see you review it so I can grasp a better idea before purchasing. If not its alright! Keep up the great videos!

Great experiment. Definitely some tips to take note of here for sure

I don't think I've ever considered using gel pens for panel lining, but on grabbing a random piece I had around and, well, that worked better than I thought. Uniball Signo 207, with the .5 MM ball, I didn't have the same issues you seemed to. I have been using sharpies (fine tip) and never really noticed plastic degradation, though a sample size of my mediocre collection isn't hard and fast proof it doesn't. Might try whiteboard markers, that seems fun, though I seem to recall they kind of get faded even by the end of the year, if I remember school correctly.

Never seen gundam markers until i recently had gotten my own and they definitely remind me of microns if they were oil based. I have some fine tip oil based markers lying around but i wouldn't dare use em on my new stuff but great video to ease those panel lining worries :D

At craft stores like Michaels and Hobby Lobby, you can get artists pens, that come in numerous colors and tip sizes, from 0.25mm andsmaller.

I use a Bic 0.7mm HB #2 quiet frequently and after a top coat it looks wonderful.

personally, i use Citadel nuln oil to do my panel lining, cause it was hard for me to find/buy gundam markers (pour type) and i had warhammer paint on hand. I tried it, and it worked really well, the same flowing effect as pour markers, only slightly less colored than markers... So i continued using it... And there's a ton more colors available

I often add small extra detail with pilot permenant bronze/silver fineliner for mechanicals.

Been using artist fineliners for years now and I suggest using one that has 1) either a 0.1 or a 0.05 tip and 2) oil-based as it does not fade over time as much as the regular fineliners.

@arvinnetwork23

Жыл бұрын

What you use to clean up the mess?

@OverseerXIII

Жыл бұрын

@@arvinnetwork23 a good wiping with just a tiny bit of alcohol

@arvinnetwork23

Жыл бұрын

Ow okay. Steadler fineliners did you try? They have .03

I always use the artist fine line market thingy. It seems do be okay as long as you can really get it inside so it doesn’t wipe off easily.

For the mechanical pencil, you can sand the tip at an angle to make the point finer to reach some of those deeper panel lines. :D

i had some artist pens with india ink and used that to panel line. Isopropyl to remove excess, it worked really well.

i used to use micron pens religiously until i started panel washing. i still use the micron pens in some situations. my pens are .35 mm which is kinda in between what mecha used. the .35 gets in more areas than the .8 but delivers more ink than the .1, however i still think panel washing is best wherever possible. loved seeing other stuff used for panel lining. i use a tamiya accent liner (black), and testors enamel thinner for the removal part. i use a really light amount of thinner on a qtip or a tip of a napkin and remove the excess, works pretty well, never have any issues. if you paint your gunpla like i do, make sure to add a clear coat before you panel wash because the thinner could damage the paint you already did.

I've always used a fine tip Gundam marker but I've moved to the Tamiya bottle. If you like pour type you'll love the Tamiya stuff. Magic.

Can you please make a playlist of all your tutorials and these types of videos, it would be extremely helpful 😊

Pigma Micron and copic multiliner markers also work great. Use the .005 or smaller size. They both come in a bunch of colors

I use "edding 1880 drawliner 0.05" you can use an eraser or a rag to clean the excess. I try several liners and those are the best and don't fade away

I started off with sharpies and I haven’t noticed any breakage as of yet but the hobby is still new to me. I’m glad to know about the expo markers though lol

I have a HG Hazel that I got years ago that I used a mechanical pencil on and it looked great.

Dspiae's Soft-tipped Brush Markers have been my go to right now, its a bit less than your usual Gundam Markers and amazing colors option too. They are a saviour for my IBO kits instead of applying stickers I color them in instead then your usual top coating to secure the paint job.

I use acrylic paints thinned down by isopropyl alcohol. Works like the tamiya panel accent but does not attack the plastic

Long time watcher, but i was just about to look up what is/and how to panel line!

Might actually be onto something with the dry erase, very unique video.

I heard that the gel pens are kinda useful for panel lining, i tried using it and it worked its kinda just like panel line pens and easy to remove some excess ink

@Sth809

2 жыл бұрын

Wait a min how do you erase the excess?

@milejucureg6915

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sth809 rubbing it by finger. Cotton/Cotton buds WILL leave some excess ink. I tried it on my real grade 00 raiser and it worked, but there was still excess ink on it, then, i tried rubbing it again, and it worked also.

I've been using the artist fineliner for years and prefer the .05 thickness for panel lining.

Thank you for this guide!

I tried panel lining with w&n art ink and it actually worked, however if someone were to try it I'd recommend mixing it with a little bit of water because it's too thick, and the cost of the ink and some nibs etc. is similar to cost of the gundam markers so unless you have that stuff in your house I wouldn't advice you to use it (but hey, it works)

A guy in my build group emptied some spaz stix chrome paint and some airbrush thinner in an emptied out pour panel liner bottle and now has some really slick homemade chrome panel liner. Works great on black surfaces, but _HIGHLY_ experimental. I don't think the dry erase will hold up long term simply because of what I know about them. Their solvents are basically anything and are difficult to look up because it's one of those things they never thought anyone would ask. All I know is that, back in the day, there used to be PSAs telling kids not to snort markers to get high. (Funny, these PSAs were often better at teaching me how to get high than my peers ever were...) So whatever it is, it ain't water. Probably some kind of alcohol, but I have suspicions that there's something else in there. Alcohol washes _can_ break most dry erase marker stains, but still requires some effort. I learned that from when I would buy dry erase boards from thrift stores and restore them.

So, I actually have a metallic black acrylic paint that I use. I'll overly paint the panel lines before wiping away the excess. Or, if I let it dry, gently sand away the excess with a high grit sanding stick. I also sometimes will use my metallic silver or metallic red paints... but I need to get more colors.

i actually use a black expo whiteboard marker to panelline. I just scribble into the line and wipe it away with a tissue paper. It has GREAT fades, and has a nice dark finish.

Yeah for most kits I use the tamyia accent panel liner. Sometimes I'll use the fine liner gundam marker. I have not tried the pour type markes yet but those seem just as easy as using the tamyia. If not easier. Might have to try it.

Just got into hobby in a country that doesn't have proper supplies, best thing I found for cheap are those shading pens made from solid graphite, ofc use something soft

I used Mech pencils, Fine tip sharpies and artist fine liners all work well and so far havent harmed my kits :D

I did try with artline pen before and it definitely is good enough for thick panel line

I tried some cheap dollar store black fine line permanent markers & they worked at first, but after a while they looked how the brown panel liners looked in the video. I've used metallic markers to panel line on darker colours.

I tried one with whiteboard marker Certainly not that harmful to the plastic Although if you dont want weathering effect on some lines Then get a cotton swab with alcohol or water Update: pencil eraser works the best on erasing the excess since it will also get rid of the mess it did Beside if the ink really dried off the plastic though

@Sth809

2 жыл бұрын

Also worked pretty well on my eg rx 78-2 and astray red frame kai(the tactical arms)

Can't wait till that led video!!!! Wink wink nudge nudge. Love the channel!!!

I actually use metallic gold and silver sharpies on HG kits. Usually for like vernier, pistons, exhaust ducts or tubes, Vulcans. Or add color to break up a primarily black or white kit.

thank you so much this's super helpful

when i was a kid, i used a sharpie to line and a paper towel sprayed with hairspray to wipe away the excess sharpie marks. Did it to my HG gunpla and they never gotten ruined

I've tried mechanical pencil before. If you want the best result from mechanical pencil, you need to cut the tip of the lead at an angle so that the lead can actually reach in deep on the panel line. Back then, I only use mechanical pencil on white plastic before I got myself a grey liner pen.

Artist pen and Twin marker are my go to panel liners, they're cheap, does the job well and can be easily be remove by erasers or alcohol.

I did buy some panel liners, but had no idea what I was looking for and got three of the blue body Gundam markers, and I'm still kind of debating on what method I'll ultimately end up trying. I might go back to the hobby shop and look again.

*checks drawer* - Gundam markers - Sharpie Metallics - Artline Metallics/ Supreme - Uni-ball Signo - Tamiya Panel Accent - Mechanical pencil Disclaimer: I only use em to detail small parts and use the Gundam markers and Tamiya accent on panel lines.

i used micron pens, they were iirc 005 ones; quite nice for panel lining but pour ones are so much easier