Can I make the 2010 Mac Pro as fast as the new one?! - 2TB NVMe Upgrade
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The decade old 5,1 Mac Pro's are still high performers when it comes to CPU and memory performance but the biggest bottle neck being the SATA 2 interface which offers painfully slow speeds compared to modern computers. In this video I am going to be taking this Mac to the max.
Just how fast can the storage in this old Mac Pro go? and can it exceed Apples new Late 2019 Mac Pro?
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And you did all of that for less price than the new Apple XDR Monitor Stand!
@bgg4892
4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha sad but true 😂🤣
@luiis6674
3 жыл бұрын
B G G this is not sad
@whogotshot
3 жыл бұрын
@@luiis6674 its not sad.. its depressing
@luiis6674
3 жыл бұрын
BH Suritto ???
@whogotshot
3 жыл бұрын
@@luiis6674 bruh u autistic? a monitor stand costs more than a decent pc
The 2010 Mac Pro still looks decent.
@LuiWallentinGttler
4 жыл бұрын
@Ishtiaque Walid The 2010 model (and the models that have the same design) is the original cheese grater. The new cheese grater is just it's high cost speed talker of a younger brother with a bad case of acne.
@becomematrix
4 жыл бұрын
RGC Tech best design ever
@siefmassoud1273
4 жыл бұрын
@Ishtiaque Walid as a trypophobic, i hate both, but ofc i hate the 2019's way more
@fedism
3 жыл бұрын
Looks like crap. Maybe i should take apart and spray paint mine black
@aaaaaa-fp3kb
3 жыл бұрын
RGC tech bitch you look decent
Love your vids been watching for over a year and haven’t missed a video
Great video. I love it when people try to upgrade their gear, or simply optimize their software, before running out to spend a bunch of money on a new system. Unless you're a true power user, which is like 1% of us, a computer properly spec'd out from the beginning can last a lot longer than most people think...
I've never heard "reliable" and "RAID 0" in the same sentence before.
@alexasbagel
4 жыл бұрын
Well if you put the sentence as “running ssds in raid 0 is not reliable” you still have the right words and a way more realistic sentence.
@edafade
4 жыл бұрын
@@alexasbagel I choked on my cereal laughing at this.
@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL
4 жыл бұрын
I've been running two of these in raid0 for about a year now, no issues. I'm willing to lose whatever is on the drives but this is mainly to do with the fact that I back up the important stuff to an HDD.
@SamBinary
4 жыл бұрын
i've been running RAID 0 on 2 x Corsair Force 3 128gb for the last 5 years at least, 3 different chipsets (Z77, Z97, X99) and I never had to even rebuild the array. It is as reliable as the drives themselves...
@mymidschoollife8485
4 жыл бұрын
@@SamBinary which on commercial ssds isn't very good at all.
Excellently produced video with lots of informative tips, hope you do more videos like this with mac pro upgrades and imac upgrades.
You are my favorite tech KZreadr! I hope the best for Australia 🇦🇺🙏🌏😢
@Snowyy78
4 жыл бұрын
Yes its bad here I'm not near it but the smoke still surrounds the air make it hard for people to go outside to breathe
@IAmAussie202
4 жыл бұрын
Snowyy78 same
@AXDBTW
4 жыл бұрын
Nah tech yes city is
@brotherhood_ofstreetracers4268
4 жыл бұрын
Snowyy78 damn. Its still burning ???
@ertyuzxz605
4 жыл бұрын
@@brotherhood_ofstreetracers4268 yes
What an awesome project. Really gives you an appreciation for modular designs. 👍
The old Mac Pro looks so beautiful...
That intro is lit 🔥🔥🔥
Love what you do Hugh! Keep it up.
Your videos are so satisfying especially those restoring devices ones u are the best tech KZreadr 🤩🤩🤩
Great machine. I still have a 2006 Mac Pro 1,1, just for the sake of upgrading it. It's not my main machine, but I've upgraded the GPU, put in dual 3.00 GHz Quad Xeons, 32 GB RAM (it can handle 64!) and an SSD with 3 TB hard drives for backups and RAID. Of course, it's limited to El Capitan, but it has plenty of power to spare.
I’ve been a long term fan of using second hand macs - this mac would be the fastest mac I’ve ever used and, having just found one for $250 online, you’ve got me thinking...
I was so excited to see this in my notifications
Thank you brother, I needed this information. this tower I have (2009) works like a charm so far
To be honest I really like 2010 Mac computers. They at least have a headphone jack :)
@tomasruiz06
3 жыл бұрын
All macs, even the new m1 imacs, still have headphone jack.
@grotekleum
3 жыл бұрын
And they grate cheddar really really well.
Didn't understand a word of it. Great video, always makes my Sunday morning watching a Hugh Jeffries video.
Really cool 😎 review , keep doing upgrades we love it 😊
he is really a expert of repairing technologies. keep this channel alive! keep up your good work. :)
I plan on using my 5.1 Mac Pro for another 3 years until I can get the newer one used. I have Nvme drives and a Metal compliant 8gb graphics card and its blazing fast - nowhere near obsolete (way faster than my 2018 Macbook Pro) and people have already found ways to install Catalina and I suspect that trend will continue for quite some time. Im now tempted to go from 8 core to 12 core as the 6 core xeons are now just £50 a pop which is bonkers. These machines are good for at least another 5 years.
@scholzdigital
3 жыл бұрын
I will keep mine for at least 5 more years. One of the best computers Apple ever made.
This is an example that justifies prices for good tech. Reliability and future upgradability that can make a machine like this useful for over a decade. I wish more manufacturers, even beyond computing, would understand this.
Fantastic video! I think with time people will come to appreciate just how good these old macs are.
@MatiEP09
2 жыл бұрын
Thats why 2010 Mac Pro is my main pc :D
Ah great upgrade choice, I have done the same previously and put in a Vega Frontier as the drivers are built in due to the Imac Pro.
$900 is way better than $6000
When are you doing the ultimate ipod classic video been waiting for it
@HughJeffreys
4 жыл бұрын
I have finished building it and actually using it right now. Should be out in the next few weeks.
@moisesurias1328
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for leting me know cant wait to see it
Very surprising what cool ideas you have to test in your videos
New year, new intro, new projects 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
When I clicked on the video I was like did I just tap the wrong one? because of him finally having a new intro
That is the cleanest-looking inside of a Mac Pro I've ever seen…
They used to sell them on amazon a few years ago and almost instantly sold out. I just want to buy one new or old or totally broken. I love the case!
I just got one of these thanks for this info!! May do the same thing!! 👍🏽
I think TronicsFix needs your help with some Iphone Xs!
@lonewolfszn8312
4 жыл бұрын
Yh sure man He fix only 2
@exploregadgets1774
3 жыл бұрын
@@lonewolfszn8312 All of them have broken touch.
What did you do about your GPU?
@emotionalintelligence776
3 жыл бұрын
Buy a supported GPU that supports Mojave there a ton on eBay under $100, no excuses. I grabbed a used Radeon 570RX @ 4GB in January this year, haven't OC as of yet, but it's running 4K flawlessly and other than the well documented no boot screen it's been stellar.
@TeddyBearGaming999
3 жыл бұрын
Some nvidia GPUs are still supported in mojave and catalina
@emotionalintelligence776
3 жыл бұрын
@@TeddyBearGaming999 Stop being bashful and state which ones inquiring minds want to know, Lol...
@Viper-dn8ix
3 жыл бұрын
@@emotionalintelligence776 If you stick with High Sierra, all of them! Otherwise... I think the GTX 7xx series, as those are in the iMac's and MacBook Pros that are still supported by Apple (officially). You can run a GTX 780 (not sure about Ti), but after that that's it. Anything Kepler from what I understand. Edit: 780 Ti is a Kepler card and is supported natively.
@dyna6448
3 жыл бұрын
@@TeddyBearGaming999 most bad gpus
Hi there, I have a 2010 Mac Pro 5,1 too. Amazing results upgrading to the NVMe ssd drives. I think i will do that to my mac pro
I do really enjoy this kind of videos I mean old apple laptops&computers restoration
I upgraded and it’s incredible. Think of what the old Mac costs compared to a brand new one. My computer does everything I need it to do and then some.
You might want to reposition your new storage because it looks like it restricts the airflow to your GPU somewhat.
nice intro Hugh, wish you the best of 2020.
dope.. going to do this to my early 2009 mac pro
0:59 these drives are known to be really fast I have one of those 1tb and it doesn’t slow below 1700MB/s unless it throttles
Could do that to an Xserve then how interesting
@nurullahaksay
4 жыл бұрын
druaga1 wants to know your location
Great video as I'm thinking of doing this.
I never owned a Mac Pro and I’ve always loved there look till this day 2020
Amazon has an Asus branded quad nvme pcie card which appears to be made by the same manufacturer as your $300 one for $57. It has the exact same for factor...
@noenken
4 жыл бұрын
But it's missing the ASMedia controller for the PCIe bifurcation. In short, that one won't work in the old MP.
@ylluminate
3 жыл бұрын
@@noenken I've read that the PCIe bifurcation is supported by the Mac Pro 2010.
@noenken
3 жыл бұрын
@@ylluminate Then either I am wrong or the thing you read is. I don't know how it could be supported without the necessary chip but if you have a source, let me know.
@ylluminate
3 жыл бұрын
@@noenken I'm looking into it further. I agree that it doesn't make sense, but the mixed info is frustrating to say the least. BTW, the quad NVMe cards look interesting and there's a 5x that would be nice, but does not have a bifurcation support chip. Might have to buy them on Amazon and play with them. I would like to know how JBOD or APFS container expansion is doing (ie, can we buy 2 or 3 NVMe cards and then expand in a few months through JBOD or APFS container growth?).
Does the expansion card for the NVMes block the video card intake, would like to see the temps of your GPU.
@petesetabandhu
4 жыл бұрын
his card is installed upside down thought and the intake on that gtx is on the top
@deganash7767
4 жыл бұрын
@@petesetabandhu then it has to be blocked by the case, still would like to see GPU temps
@petesetabandhu
4 жыл бұрын
@@deganash7767 oh right sorry, GPU temps would be interesting
@tvolta4830
4 жыл бұрын
Deganash ı dont think he uses gpu heavily
@deganash7767
4 жыл бұрын
@@tvolta4830 even if uses the pc for any amount of time, the GPU will get hot if it can't breathe.
Great review❗️
I got a Mac Pro 1,1 in 2007. Still use it every day. Kept it upgraded over the years, it just about manages to do VR today (Vive)
Hugh not a Mac fan but another enjoyable video from you. Cheers
@paulkulhawycz4556
4 жыл бұрын
Same
@anastyb
4 жыл бұрын
@@paulkulhawycz4556 when I break down and lose my mind and buy a used crap I mean Mac to try I'm calling Hugh .
That’s a wonderful computer you have. I am shocked you haven’t gone to Mojave as that’s a speed boost for sure. Wait you have an nVidia card. Makes sense why you haven’t updated. How long do you plan to keep yours?
@RCTUN748
4 жыл бұрын
Here's the answer, gtx cards will disappear from Apple's world.
@RCTUN748
4 жыл бұрын
devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1042520/driver/-when-will-the-nvidia-web-drivers-be-released-for-macos-mojave-10-14-/1
@WarriorsPhoto
4 жыл бұрын
Pork Jackson Not surprised by that thread. There’s a reason the relationship between Apple and nVidia went so sour.
Awesome work Huge Effreez
Yup again i never miss your video hugh.
I still wish that you went back to the old intro :(
@eddiew.4650
4 жыл бұрын
The old one was stale.
@JustA.Person
4 жыл бұрын
@@eddiew.4650 and this one is circa 2006 like
@coolzxr
4 жыл бұрын
ORIOLESFan02 all good things must come to an end...
@AyrisX86
4 жыл бұрын
@@eddiew.4650 it was iconic
@brandon_nope
4 жыл бұрын
Still bland in my opinion
Hugh i wish you were my neighbour 😢 Edit: wow thanks for the likes guys i never got that amount before
@topollillo6713
4 жыл бұрын
Hesho’s Productions I wish that too
@3ALEGIONS
4 жыл бұрын
He lives in your phone !
@param802
4 жыл бұрын
Me to
@motivationmatrix500
4 жыл бұрын
I purchased an iphone from ebay and it is icloud lock! Can i unlock it?
@dirtrunners5204
4 жыл бұрын
Remove the last part bud, no one will sub it you ask.
love your videos Hugh
im genuinely considering buying the 2010 mac pro. this really helped :)
@scholzdigital
3 жыл бұрын
Get it, its the best machine ever made.
How is the performance between APFS and MacOS extended journaled? Isn’t APFS more optimized for SSD’s?
@countingcontrol512
3 жыл бұрын
It is but if I recall I read that -in certain circumstances- APFS isn’t recommended and I remember that, for my build, it was strongly advised not to use APFS.
Regardless of NvME or CPU, this MacPro has no problems, and the speed is still enough to perform Pro performance, but the only problem, sorry I was wrong, are two problems ... 1: nvidia CUDA driver, 2: Apple deliberately refused to let it Support for the new operating system, although its performance is still very fast.
Love this video , genius definitely following
Watching this on my Evga SR-2 based pc is oddly similar. These things are still so strong today, thanks to the heaping size of cpu cashe and core count. Kind of a bit hilarious though the mac didnt get usb3 and sata3 standard and this mobo did plus overclocking lol.
You are in desperate need of a Hackintosh :D
@kickpublishing
4 жыл бұрын
They have no soul
"... If i get the new mac pro OR A PC" *gasp* "how dare you!?!"😂😂😂
@aeonjoey3d
4 жыл бұрын
lol - I mean we're getting new Mac Pros at work, and I'm CUCKOO FOR COCOAPUFFS with anticipation, lol, but I'm going to be buying a used one of these now to do this too.
Cool, I really like my 2010 Mac Pro as well. Put a new gfx card in and upped the ram to 32 gigs. I didn't consider the NVMe adapters yet, I might have to take a look at that. Mine is running Windows 10 only by now though, as I don't want to fiddle with the unsupported install of the newest Mac OS on my main work station. It is amazing how capable that machine still is and how amazing the value for money is considering that thing is 10 years old...
This is the last upgrade I want to do to my 5,1. I still have the cheaper adapter. The higher end ones are just way too price-y in my opinion. Great video man!
@Remy0049
4 жыл бұрын
What is the price when the 5.1 release?I forgot
@brandon_nope
4 жыл бұрын
The Ehsan27 $2,499 USD
I'm running Mojave with the same ssd, still getting 1400 read/write, any idea?
@atgred
4 жыл бұрын
I think it has to do with the pci slot it is put on, the top two (slots 3 and 4) are x4, slot 2 is x8, and slot one is 16x. Maybe?
4:32am in india and iam your big fan
@shubhambajaj4939
4 жыл бұрын
Did any one ask?
just started moving to a new house and i saw the previous owners had left one of these in the garage, i’m a huge pc hardware and mac os guy so i can’t wait to start working on making this thing run faster than my macbook pro 2018
Does it make a difference which slot it’s in? 16x 8x slots etc? Great video!
好像翼王也出过这种视频耶
I guess you’re aware of a Mac Pro 2019 can reach in excess of 10 GB/s with multi-SSD arrays? Just an FYI... :)
@Teluric2
4 жыл бұрын
you can go 20GB/s on windows without raid and any computer with a raid controller and good drives
Hey Hugh! Just asking, where do you get your computer/phone parts?
Great video, great JOB !!!!!!
Jeffrey: *puts Samsung ssd's on G5* Apple: Wait. That's ilegal!
@devin9660
4 жыл бұрын
Traian Ungur apple manufactures their computers with Samsung SSDs
@amongOSO
4 жыл бұрын
Devin Ziegler ya must be fun at parties...
@hayk3r
4 жыл бұрын
GC 6212 😂😂
@307skylake7
4 жыл бұрын
GC 6212 Lmfao
@juaneduardovitoria
4 жыл бұрын
it's a mac pro, not a g5
You and the 8-Bit Guy should collaborate sometime! I’m serious!
Excelent video Hugh
Well done!
Your new M.2 card drastically affects airflow to the GPU
@yellowfello02
4 жыл бұрын
@@felixlutticken5694 no he means how the card is blocking the gpu, therefore less air flow. Also, that card isn't a blower type card, it's a passively cooled one.
@adamtoepfer5565
4 жыл бұрын
@@yellowfello02 It's a standard GTX980. AKA Blower style. The fan doesn't look to be blocked by the card. If you look at his older video on this machine you can see that.
Anyone: *Mentions RAID 0* Internet Neckbeard: ACKCHYUALLY....
@jlebrech
4 жыл бұрын
Raid 1 is faster bruh
@AlexOvechkinSucks
4 жыл бұрын
jlebrech just wait until I tell you a story about RAID 2
love your videos bro
Thank you for this!!
I’m always scared of listening to his intro smhh it has that ominous sound
@noobiegamer8053
3 жыл бұрын
it really gave a heart attack with your name i thought my laptop screen is fcked up!!
@trithai9582
3 жыл бұрын
@@noobiegamer8053 me too, considering that my laptop is almost 6 years old. BTW, which laptop do you use?
@noobiegamer8053
3 жыл бұрын
@@trithai9582 acer e5 476g
@grkb
3 жыл бұрын
@@noobiegamer8053 if anyone has a username with long lines, they're most likely to be a 10 year old child.
Put a *”RTX-2080TI”* inside the Mac Pro
@CaseyQuotes
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. It probably would support it. That is a GREAT idea!
@breakfixfever
3 жыл бұрын
Apparently no real advantage. It maxes out the CPU. An RX580 seems to be the best compromise. Even the fastest 6 core Xeon supported by the 5,1 can't take full advantage of a newer Radeon 5700 or a VII.
@Yes_This_Is_Dog
3 жыл бұрын
You would bottleneck so hard putting that in that old of a machine, at that point you’d be better off at motherboard swapping it
@breakfixfever
3 жыл бұрын
I have a Radeon 5700 and before it I had an RX580 (MacPro 5,1 6-core 3.46Ghz). The Heaven benchmark plays at more than twice the fps, but in real world gaming (e.g. Fortnite) you barely notice the difference. You'll probably gain more by installing Windows on the MacPro to take advantage of faster drivers and hardware decoders (e.g. for recording gameplay with OBS) which are unavailable on MacOSX. If you do go for a 5700, pay attention to the card's height. The only one I could get my hands on that would allow me to continue using the Nvme RAID and USBc PCIe cards was the Asrock Challenger.
cool vid!, thought about a pci network card to a fast nas(prebuilt or one you made woth that cost)?
Hugh, you mentioned that the NVMe cards you bought were overkill. Do you have any advice for a slightly less expensive option that wouldn't result in wasted potential like this setup?
You forgot to remove the stickers from your nvme drives. Those thermal pads will do no good in transferring the heat.
@101stsurvivor
4 жыл бұрын
The stickers on Samsung drives are actually made of metal and intended to be a heatsink, thermal transfer will be fine.
@skip741x3
Жыл бұрын
remove the stickers and zero warranty.. they wont replace if u have an issue
When they dropped support for this laptop I was like ......
@friendlyjapanesebusinesswoman
4 жыл бұрын
?
@mhtweeter
4 жыл бұрын
Laptop?
@irukhan07
4 жыл бұрын
@@mhtweeter They probably meant computer instead of laptop.
@joshon360hz
4 жыл бұрын
Pc sorry
Nice upgrade
great video, thanks! do you know any alternative adaptor for a single NVMe ssd that is capable of the same speed you got in this video?
$10,000...and it doesn't even run crysis 😂
@HoustonTexxas
4 жыл бұрын
Lmao true....
First
Im watching this on my Macpro1,1 running El Capitan with 2 quad xeons and 32gb ram... def need to upgrade the storage interface though
Depending on what pcie generation the slots are and what speed the slide you're plugged into, can in some cases leave performance on the table. It would be interesting to know what generation the pcie slots your buggy into our and what speeds are actually running at.
Poor graphics card. That airflow is nonexistant
@aeonjoey3d
4 жыл бұрын
those Mac Pro cases are windtunnels, there is a shocking amount of airflow over the cards, it's a work of art.
Hah! Samsung in a Apple.
@giopz6598
2 жыл бұрын
That’s what apple itself still does
Hi Hugh, very interesting...think about to do the same way.......a question, what exactly is the Geforce GTX card? Would you take it again oder would you take meanwhile another? thx for your answering...cheers
learned alot from your video posts. I have a 2012 Mac Pro Intel quad core Xeon CPU. I had upgraded the graphics card increased memory from 8 GB to 32 GB but still using the MacOS 10.12.6 and unable to locate the Mojave installer you mentioned ... cant find it in the Apps store... I am here in Sydney Australia. looking forward to learn more from your upcoming tutorial videos ... thanks.
Build a pc, install Linux and be done with it.
Nice new intro dude!
@Hugh Jeffreys I took your advice and bought this setup for my 2010 Mac Pro and the disk performance is great but the card's fan is blistering loud for some reason. Is yours super loud?
Hey. Great question. My Mac Pro 5,1 is dood for music production. As it relates to your question even if it’s can run your software, as some point the software or even peripheral driver compatibility could stop your workflow. I just tried to install the Final Cut Pro demo. And it said no lol get compatible with Mojave.