Can I Charge a Lithium Battery with a Lead Acid Battery Charger?

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Rod from EV Power does some detective work with a CTek DCDC Lead Acid battery charger to see if it can safely charge a 12V LiFePO4 battery, and makes an interesting discovery!

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  • @davidwright1752
    @davidwright17522 жыл бұрын

    Never seen the 9 volt battery trick to start a charger before. A lot cheaper than buying a specialised charger.

  • @JesseBugden
    @JesseBugden2 жыл бұрын

    Loved the video. It would be nice to repeat the desulphation phase (around 13 minutes in) with an oscilloscope instead of a multimeter but your theory sounds good to me (not that I'm particularly qualified).

  • @wendygerrish4964
    @wendygerrish49642 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant..My lead acid batts on the horse trailer were shot. So I took em out (2 12vdc paralleled (over 5yrs old)) and wondered if I could just plug in a 100Ahr Lifepo batt from one of my solar setups in their place. Should be ok.

  • @alexcorona
    @alexcorona11 ай бұрын

    I’ve been doing it for years, battery still works

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    11 ай бұрын

    💯

  • @marklewus5468
    @marklewus5468 Жыл бұрын

    If you want to jump start the charger with another 12 V battery, just insert a 10 watt 1 ohm resistor in line with the charge wire. That will limit the current to around 10 A max and it will rapidly drop off to around 1 amp as soon as the BMS turns on.

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    Жыл бұрын

    Good point

  • @MrSteelAu
    @MrSteelAu Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for sharing. If you have a Dc 2 DC charger for lithium battery on your vehicle and your charger has a solar input. Use that to charge your lithium battery with a normal lead acid charger. Your battery will see a voltage coming in and take that to fully charge and it is safe. Don’t be scared to charge a lithium battery with an ordinary battery charger. All that sales talk of you must use lithium charger to charge lithium battery is a way to convince you to spend more money for no reason. Your DC2DC lithium charger charger will do its job in charging a battery safely

  • @johnrogers1423
    @johnrogers1423 Жыл бұрын

    Fascinating.

  • @jamesmackay4652
    @jamesmackay46522 ай бұрын

    Just saved people and me a few bob.

  • @handdle-h2o
    @handdle-h2o Жыл бұрын

    great video, i wonder, since i just bought a 100ah lithium battery, if some of the same reasoning might apply to all the inverters out there that imply they should only be used with lead acid ?

  • @katecapil4574
    @katecapil4574 Жыл бұрын

    I just use a more old-fashioned lead charger without desulfation.. or how it was spelled. 20amp. Use it when the sun fails for 2-3 days and the battery is getting low. It charges to 14,7 so i removed after 6-10 hours of charging just to be sure i dont get too close to 13,5+volts and certainly not anywhere 14,7 :)

  • @jimmybrad156

    @jimmybrad156

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeh, best not to float 4-cell lifepo4's above 13.4 volts.

  • @immrnoidall
    @immrnoidall2 жыл бұрын

    that battery has a BMS in it. So why would it over charge anything if the BMS stops the charge when full?

  • @wwOsqueDew

    @wwOsqueDew

    2 жыл бұрын

    True I was thinking the same thing.

  • @justsumdad3185
    @justsumdad3185 Жыл бұрын

    a lifepo4 cell battery is 4s config and therefore wont reach max charge from a PB charger, that's all. The only other issue I might think is when in the desulf stage, I wonder if that might mess with the BMS in the lifepo4 battery. I doubt that tho. What you should do, is a capacity test, charge to full with a charger designed for lithium, then test the total AH you get from it right till the BMS cuts off, now do the same with a PB charger and see the difference. my bet is you will get about 80% of the capacity if you use a PB charger.

  • @josidasilva5515
    @josidasilva55153 жыл бұрын

    Good observation on the lead acid charger shut down with low Voltages. Not all BMSs are the same; this also applies to battery chargers. The most important feature in a BMS or charger is the temperature sensor shut down. If any of your devices does not have that, they are a fire hazard. Typically the BMS algorithm will balance the individual cells of the battery and control the amount of current for both charge and discharge while monitoring the temperature, besides shutting down the battery in case of a short circuit. As long as the charger's Voltage is higher than the battery's, the BMS will allow for charging.

  • @immrnoidall

    @immrnoidall

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can't believe this guy sells these while not knowing what is going on. no one seems to know.

  • @noel270w8

    @noel270w8

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@immrnoidall Totally agree. Don't forget 99% of lithium battery cells come from China. Do the Chinese even know what is going on? Or do they manufacture a product in order to produce a profit? We all know that answer and we all know the quality of most Chinese made products. Estimates that lithium batteries will last 8-15 years depending on discharge rates is pure optimism. Who owns an LED that has lasted 50,000 hours? No-one, coz drivers, connections wiring etc fail well before that. Lithium will be no different. Unless you buy a high quality US made battery with a 10 year warranty.

  • @davidwright1752

    @davidwright1752

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@immrnoidall now some has shown us give the guy a break not one lithium battery manufacture has printed any info on this. This is a great hack.

  • @herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513
    @herbertvonsauerkrautunterh25132 жыл бұрын

    The BMS will cut off the power when full. I use a straight transformer charger without electronics or computer control.

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    2 жыл бұрын

    This I do not recommend. The BMS is not a charge controller and it is still possible to damage the battery with a continuous maximum voltage charge.

  • @herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513

    @herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ev-power yes sure I know do about it. I keep an eye on it. I actually have a DC/DC charger in my car for the lithium battery

  • @davidwright1752
    @davidwright17522 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video you are the only person to do this practical experiment. I have found on the internet. I have suspected to battery charger manufacturer would like everyone to buy a new charger. They are not cheap. I will use my cteck charger on my new lithium battery.

  • @j5892000

    @j5892000

    Жыл бұрын

    Just get a lab bench power supply lol

  • @j5892000

    @j5892000

    Жыл бұрын

    There are much much cheaper options lol

  • @rajendraupputuri1310
    @rajendraupputuri13102 жыл бұрын

    Can I do the same (i.e., charging li-ion from Lead-acid) with a boost dc-dc converter in CC mode? what could be the maximum discharge current from a 12V 26Ah lead-acid battery?

  • @wrxs1781
    @wrxs17812 жыл бұрын

    From my experience using LiPo batteries in r/c planes, you need a specific charger for lithium batteries to analyze the different cells and to above all balance them to the same approximate voltage. But in saying that seeing is believing.

  • @wendygerrish4964

    @wendygerrish4964

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think the bms on the lifepo s does that?

  • @TheAceTroubleshooter

    @TheAceTroubleshooter

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@wendygerrish4964 Correct.

  • @CollinBaillie

    @CollinBaillie

    Жыл бұрын

    Has a built in BMS.

  • @swordfish1120
    @swordfish1120 Жыл бұрын

    Good test. I just bought a Shorai lithium iron sulfate battery for my motorcycle. I have a Deltran Battery Tender that I used to maintain a charge in my Harley battery. I was hoping to use this charger to maintain a charge on the lithium. So if a lithium battery is not completely dead, and has 12+ volts, do you think 1) a conventional lead acid charger will work to maintain a 13.8+ voltage? 2) Do all lead acid chargers have this desulphation feature and can this feature cause a lithium battery to fail?

  • @CollinBaillie
    @CollinBaillie Жыл бұрын

    So, applying the second charger/battery effectively allows the BMS to reconnect, allowing a charge current. You woke the BMS up, and thus the CTek can see there is a battery there to charge.

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    Жыл бұрын

    Correct

  • @yusifsuleiman5502
    @yusifsuleiman55027 ай бұрын

    Please what’s the name of that specialized lifepo4 battery charger. I am looking for a lifepo4 battery charge to charge my eBike setup. Thanks

  • @milesabove5259
    @milesabove52592 жыл бұрын

    I’m getting the same problems even using a lithium profile charger. It charges fine on the agm profile. The bms is working against the charger.

  • @althuelectronics5158
    @althuelectronics51582 жыл бұрын

    good job amazing

  • @goldfools5445
    @goldfools54453 жыл бұрын

    I just bought one of these exact batteries. I have a dcdc charger which I put on the lithium setting. The battery is fully charged so the dcdc doesn’t charge. I suppose that’s obvious. I turned on the fridge and it still did not charge. Does the battery percentage have to drop to a certain level before it starts charging? Or is it voltage related? This post may be a bit premature as I am about to head up the bush prospecting. I guess I will know the answer soon enough.

  • @TheAceTroubleshooter

    @TheAceTroubleshooter

    2 жыл бұрын

    YOur voltage (not under load) is your battery % essentially.

  • @immrnoidall
    @immrnoidall2 жыл бұрын

    I'm new and learning lithium batteries use. but my brain is blown to find out after two weeks on the internet, I can not find a straight answer to anything. sellers get the cash and give no support of any use so far. for one thing, how could solar ever be constant anything?

  • @a64738

    @a64738

    2 жыл бұрын

    MPPT solar charge controllers typically works with from 100v down to the voltage of your battery bank (12 - 24 or 48v) and automatically regulates down the higher voltage it gets from the solar panels to the voltage of you batteries (the voltage it gets from the solar panels need to be higher then the battery voltage and the higher it is the better). The voltage and ampere from solar panes varies during the day so the MPPT solar charge controller take the varying input and regulates it down to what is best for your batteries charging.

  • @immrnoidall
    @immrnoidall2 жыл бұрын

    2:15 , that's a funny looking alternator

  • @romeroblog4395

    @romeroblog4395

    2 жыл бұрын

    same hhh

  • @njr1308

    @njr1308

    2 жыл бұрын

    It simulating an alternator charging the start battery, u have no idea wat u are talking about. This was a test to see if a lead charger would charge and reboot a bus, perfectly safe and very informative video.

  • @immrnoidall

    @immrnoidall

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@njr1308 Are you sure about that? It could be space magic.

  • @Mrkatt763
    @Mrkatt7635 ай бұрын

    I use an 12v with 18AH to jump start my 12v 100AH by just a quick tap on the connectors. Works well

  • @mikvice9784
    @mikvice97847 ай бұрын

    Please help...If you have no solar and are idle, eg no alternator power charging....could you not just put a mains12v supply on the alternator side of your renogy 50a Dc to Dc charger to mimic the 12v supply from your car battery...this way you have a quality lithium phosphate charger within the Renogy Dc toDc charger...is this an idea...thanx in advance....

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    7 ай бұрын

    Generally speaking, switch mode 240V chargers need to see a battery voltage before they start to charge, so no, not in my experience.

  • @dirkbergstrom9751
    @dirkbergstrom97512 жыл бұрын

    Lithiums with an internal BMS will prohibit charging at or below 0C/32F, aid in balancing the cells and prevent charging over 14.7 VDC. If your lithium has no BMS, you MUST have a charger that allows setting the temp. coeff. to zero if you travel in areas less than 75-77F / 25C (to prevent charger from increasing charge voltage above 14.6 VDC in environments less than 25C). Even with an internal BMS (which often fail) it is good practice to set charger temp. coeff. to zero as a backup system. Any BMS can be reset by briefly connecting an identical charged battery in parallel, or any battery over about 6 volts as you showed... but briefly. Most Lithium 12V batts should be charged in BULK at 14.2-14.6 VDC (absolute max 14.6) and 0.2C (the number of amps equal to 20% of the batts amphour (Ah) capacity, then absorption at a constant 14.2-14.6 VDC and a falling current from 0.2C to 0.01C or less (from 20% C to 1% C or less). The classic "float" phase is not required (set float time to zero) but some batteries recommend a "topping" phase for lithiums. If you cannot set float time to zero, set max float voltage to 13.6 VDC... never higher, at 1 or 2 amps for minimum time or turn off charger. Most can also be fast charged by setting bulk and absorption currents to 0.5C (50% C) and of course voltage to 14.2-14.6 (max) depending on battery maker's specs. Never overcharge (so avoid "dumb" PWM solar controllers and smart chargers that go to 14.9), never charge if battery environment is at or less freezing point of water, never float or top at over 13.6, and never discharge below 10.5-10.8 VDC (depending on maker's specs). Over-discharge often occurs when using an inverter to provide AC power for appliances especially those with a big amp draw like a microwave... it is so easy to over-discharge. To avoid this, set the inverter low voltage discharge to 10.5-10.8 VDC depending on battery maker's specs (when in doubt use 10.8 as the low voltage cut-off). These things will provide you with many years of happy lithium use... although I personally use silicon dioxide (SiO2, "lead crystal") 6 volt x2 batteries to avoid ALL of these issues, including charging at -40C, discharging to dead zero, storage at dead zero / partial charge / full charge, fast charging at 0.3-0.35C, never floating, and allowing deep discharges far below 10.5 VDC when heavy appliances draw 0.5-1.0C (like an 1800 watt convection microwave). To save generator fuel when charging with inadequate solar, I cycle my two 6V SiO2 batts between 20-80% capavity (80-20% depth of discharge) and fully charge to 100% once a month. I live 24/7, 365 with just t two 6 volts. Trust me, I'm a doctor and a scientist.

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wow, couldna said it better myself.

  • @jege41

    @jege41

    2 жыл бұрын

    There are some new smart batteries out now that have heating pads built, like Chins smart lithium

  • @Sidicas
    @SidicasАй бұрын

    My SLA AGM charger brings it up to about 98% and I just top it off for a few mins with lifepo4 charger until it turns green

  • @trevortrevortsr2
    @trevortrevortsr2 Жыл бұрын

    Pulse stage? never heard it called that - I suspect it's just the device measuring and monitoring the battery voltage, it's not pulse charging which would be micro cycling and bad for any battery high on the knee

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    Жыл бұрын

    It is definitely a thing, for desulphation of LA batteries. And yes, it does pulse charge the battery. It's not of any use with Lithium batteries.

  • @trevortrevortsr2

    @trevortrevortsr2

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ev-power I would be inclined to switch that charger completely off after absorption its bonkers to pulse charge a Lifepo4 battery when it's on the upper knee it will undoubtable shorted cell life - I charge my RV 300ah to 13.8v and every 50 cycles let it run to 14.4v and top balance.

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    Жыл бұрын

    @@trevortrevortsr2 Perhaps you can be a good sport, test your hypothesis and report back to us here.

  • @MyGreenTimeMachine
    @MyGreenTimeMachine Жыл бұрын

    I looked at CTek charger documents graphs... Lead acid/AGM charges at 14.4-14.7V CTek XS LiFePO4 charges at 13.8V Which raises questiions that using in a vehicle being charged by alternator designed for lead acid will overcharge a Lithium longterm Even manufacturer of Lithium battery describes it as a STARTER battery and draws question that it is not truly a L.A. replacement and certainly should never be used in an engine bay where exposed to heat

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    Жыл бұрын

    I just looked too. The charger you refer to charges to 14.4V then drops to float 13.8. LA AGM and Gel are very similar. So that argument does not really stack up. My question is, if you are skeptical, how about you test your theories before advising others? I'm testing stuff every day and try to only pass on what I know to be true in my experience.

  • @EllenMcDermott
    @EllenMcDermott3 жыл бұрын

    It does lead to lithium but it’s hugely expensive

  • @colinevans7134
    @colinevans71342 жыл бұрын

    Yes you can, do it all the time

  • @yafois988
    @yafois9882 жыл бұрын

    So, then If we instal a lithium battery in my bike or car that has the traditional lead acid battery charging system like a 1976 model, HOW then will this old style charging system differ in deliver charge to lithium that requires this special electronics? Int makes no sense then to instal lithium battery into a traditional charging system. I cannot see anyone anywhere addressing this point.

  • @Swanicorn

    @Swanicorn

    2 жыл бұрын

    The inbuilt charger of the car doesn't do all the fancy things a specialised external charger does. Especially true for old cars when electronics to do all these fancy features was expensive. So as long as the car isn't doing anything fancy, the BMS within the Lithium battery will take care. There literally are Lithium batteries that are marketed as replacement. The inbuilt electronics take care of the compatibility, user doesn't have to worry about anything. I should add that just like lead batteries are just bare batteries, you can also get bare 18650 cells. Now that definitely needs a specialised charger cuz it doesn't have a BMS inbuilt.

  • @dalerobinson8601
    @dalerobinson86012 жыл бұрын

    I replaced a 36 volt Lead acid battery with a 36 volt LiFeP04. The Tech told me that the range for LiFeP04 is 41.3 volts to 47 volts. The lead acid charger output is below 41.3 volts so, it will not charge to LiFeP04 at all. I will either have to modify the charger to output 47 Volts or get a charger with a 47 volt output.

  • @jimmybrad156

    @jimmybrad156

    Жыл бұрын

    each lifepo4 cell should be charged no more than 3.65v each (x4 = 14.6v on a 12v battery, x12 = 43.8v on a 36v battery.) How many lifepo4 cells in series are there in the battery?

  • @erickeith1466
    @erickeith14662 жыл бұрын

    A lead acid charger, especially non "smart" models will easily charge a 12V LIPO but some nuances have to be considered. The first nuance is that you don't want to float charge a LIPO indefinitely. Remove it from the charger once the maximum charge is reached. LIPOs don't last as long if 100% max charge voltage is met and maintained for too long, especially when not in use. Also, if you pull the LIPO down too low, many lead acid chargers won't enter bulk charge mode when they see a voltage below some cutoff number, say

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, this is sound advice.

  • @CollinBaillie

    @CollinBaillie

    Жыл бұрын

    These are LiFePo4 batteries. Slightly different to LiPo batteries, but that advice will also ensure the LiFePo4 battery is kept in good condition.

  • @niffrig

    @niffrig

    8 ай бұрын

    What is a noisy DC voltage?

  • @scanyna1841
    @scanyna1841 Жыл бұрын

    What you did, was already dangerous enough - it may have had an impact, that this was practiced on a very large type of battery, but in my case i was tryin to charge a dead Braille G9 LiFePo4 Battery, very light and small and only 5 Ah and also with a CTEK charger. Well, 15 minutes after connecting (and I was lucky not to stand in front of it) the thing blew up very loud and with lots of dense smoke. Like I said, could be much less of a problem with larger batteries, but such thing never happened with flatlined lead-acid batteries. Please be careful if your LiFePo Battery is on low voltage!!!

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    Жыл бұрын

    What I did was not dangerous at all. Do not charge a DEAD (ie zero volts) LiFePO4 battery with ANY charger ! A dead LFP battery can be dangerous if you try to charge it normally for sure, esp. if you put a relatively large charge current relative to the capacity of the battery, which would appear to be exactly what you did.

  • @robertdillon9989
    @robertdillon99892 жыл бұрын

    I wouldn’t use lithium iron phosphate batteries as starter batteries, that chemistry is not meant for surge starting. Thats what lead acid is for. And it absolutely doesn’t need surges or pulses or floats. That’s why you buy a lithium charger, not that that charger is going to hurt it. It’s just not optimal for its life. And when you pay so much for a battery you want maximum life. You have to understand the chemistry and the charge curve of these things which it doesn’t seem evident in the video

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    2 жыл бұрын

    I used a GBS 40Ah LFP battery (prismatic cells) for ~6 years to start my BA Falcon (4.2litre 6 cylinder) before I sold it and the new owner used it a few years more. So your argument about LFP batteries being unsuitable for does not exactly stack up. I had just a balancing BMS on it so had to be careful not to drain it. Also LFP batteries are sensitive to low temperatures, which was not an issue in our mild climate. The issue with LFP as start batteries is the BMS must be able to protect the battery but also allow high surge start currents. This makes it more costly than for deep cycle use. Actually Lead Acid batteries are a very good option for starting so there is no particular advantage to using LFP for that. There was no particular difference between the charge curves from the LA CTek and the LFP Ctek. Agreed that LFP batteries definitely do not like a permanent float charge with no load.

  • @katecapil4574

    @katecapil4574

    Жыл бұрын

    Some lfp are rated for higher C than others. You can get lfp that handles 5 or 10c just for continued load while others are max 0,5 or 1c. Bursts ofc even higher in both examples. So point being, some lfp (LiFePo) are better than others for various applications.

  • @stuartbutler7921
    @stuartbutler792111 ай бұрын

    Interesting test … so my conclusion would be if you don’t let the lithium battery go completely flat ( say less than 10v ) the ctek should be able to charge it ?

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    11 ай бұрын

    I reckon so.

  • @lylethompson2453
    @lylethompson24532 жыл бұрын

    Why not use solar panel to reboot

  • @MrJohnno1969
    @MrJohnno19693 ай бұрын

    question: Battery Chargers: if you charge your starter Battery, will it Charge the lithium battery in the back as well?

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    3 ай бұрын

    Best to use a dual battery isolator, then it will charge your LFP battery once the start battery nears full charge.

  • @MrJohnno1969

    @MrJohnno1969

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ev-power ok I'm getting a battery box and it has a 25 Amp DC-DC charger that should do the same thing? Yes

  • @ev-power
    @ev-power Жыл бұрын

    I'd be inclined to say, test your charger thoroughly. It can work but only if you understand the potential pitfalls. I have not seen evidence with LFP batteries of this safety risk you are talking about.

  • @mczookoz364
    @mczookoz3642 жыл бұрын

    Trying to get lithium battery information is like smoke and mirrors and marketing BS. Quality internal components like BMSs, temp, over and under charge sensors and specific lithium dc to dc and AC chargers are some of buzz words and recommendations. EV power batteries were at the top of my list but location and phone access to them has made the purchase difficult which is a shame as they appear as the real deal. This video shows another positive as I could have use my current charger.

  • @jege41

    @jege41

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree with you Mczook, I'm going to drop a Chin 100ah Smart Lithium in my camper and if my alternator fry's then I will have no one to blame but myself.

  • @jimmybrad156

    @jimmybrad156

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jege41 Cheaper to get a charger box in between your alternator and lifepo4 battery than a new alternator :) The charger box thingo should have an option to detect when the alternator/car battery voltage is above say 13.8v to assume the motor's running and only give juice to the lifepo4 battery due to that.

  • @donowens5883
    @donowens58832 жыл бұрын

    Might not last long

  • @donowens5883
    @donowens58832 жыл бұрын

    Probably will newer work

  • @simonpepper9721
    @simonpepper97216 ай бұрын

    Lithium batteries destroy car alternators.

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    6 ай бұрын

    They can do if that is all that is connected to the car alternator. This is due to two factors: 1) The electronic control system (BMS) can instantly disconnect the battery and cause a voltage spike damaging the alternator diodes. 2) Low internal resistance in the battery can result in high alternator charge currents causing overheating, esp. at low speeds. If the Lithium battery is a secondary battery (with a lead acid start battery) connected via a dual battery isolator then most times it is perfectly safe.

  • @JoeBarone-bp6lm
    @JoeBarone-bp6lm11 ай бұрын

    works like dewalt should

  • @bakervinci163
    @bakervinci1632 жыл бұрын

    Can you use a trickle charge ?

  • @jimmybrad156

    @jimmybrad156

    Жыл бұрын

    Just don't float lifepo4 12v batteries above 13.4 volts.

  • @walterbrownstone8017
    @walterbrownstone8017 Жыл бұрын

    Yes you can. But the stronger your charger, the less full your battery will be when it the bms shuts off the charger.

  • @truthbeknown8550
    @truthbeknown85502 жыл бұрын

    Any $5 DC PWM boost module set to 15 volts would do, also laptop adapter which includes a PWM even if it is a 18 or 19 volt, still would work if the goal is to save money on expensive chargers. B7t I would never use a Lead Acid battery charger on any lithium or LiFePO4 battery, never.

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    2 жыл бұрын

    This comment is incorrect. Using a PWM power supply set to 15V will overcharge a 12V LFP battery. 18-19V will overcharge even more.

  • @jege41

    @jege41

    2 жыл бұрын

    troll

  • @jimmybrad156

    @jimmybrad156

    Жыл бұрын

    shouldn't charge to more than 14.6v tops, shouldn't float at more than 13.4v (for a 4S lifepo4 battery.)

  • @user-ml5ys7wh7w
    @user-ml5ys7wh7w2 жыл бұрын

    If you gonna use lifepo4 battery in solar system you must program your charge controller and select type of battery you have and there is a lot of videos in KZread showing you how to program charge controller

  • @immrnoidall
    @immrnoidall2 жыл бұрын

    your lithium battery that has a bms to stop over discharge and charge, is at 1 volt? what?

  • @RLTillson

    @RLTillson

    2 жыл бұрын

    the bms allows 1v output after a low voltage disconnect. the bms needs to see incoming voltage to reboot. the lead acid charger wont discharge voltage unless IT too sees incoming voltage to trigger the charge cycle. thus the need too introduce a third power source to jumpstart the system. a lifepo4 charger is setup with the "third" power source so to speak by outputting enough power at the beginning of its charge cycle to get the bms to close the circuit that allows direct connection to the cells and their actual voltage.

  • @immrnoidall

    @immrnoidall

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@RLTillson thanks for reply. Maybe you can help in another mystery. Why can't I use a 15-20 amp charger with a 20 amp solar charge controller , so I can have the use of the many adjustable parameters available on most decent solar charge controllers? I am so close to just trying it ,but don't want to I burn it up. People say don't, but not why. How could a steady clean set voltage of a power supply, be any more harmful that a solar panel putting out a huge range of volts and amps? For instance. my 5000 watt , 24v, UPS, INVERTER/CHARGER, was designed for lead acid . So I am stuck with the 21v low battery charger startup. But when I use my 8 cell, 24v lifepo4 battery, by the time it get that low, one of the cells has run out already and shut it down. Which is not recomended for the UPS OR THE SOLAR CHARGE CONTROLLER. I can shut that charger off and just use the solar and add a power source and set that startup high, and stop low enough to be safe .If it could work. If I just had the hope that it might work. I would try it and just get a new one if it fails. But why do people say don't?

  • @RLTillson

    @RLTillson

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is the problem with integration. It's best to have separate components so replacing one is much less expensive. In this case, I would eliminate the charger circuit on your inverter and add separate charge controllers for solar and shore power that are meant for lithium. Also, mixing pwm circuits with mppt circuits can have catastrophic effect due to the method they use to convert or transform voltage.

  • @immrnoidall

    @immrnoidall

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@RLTillson Are you saying a normal battery charger is pmw ?

  • @RLTillson

    @RLTillson

    2 жыл бұрын

    Most often a lead acid charger is pwm.

  • @bethalpha
    @bethalphaАй бұрын

    Can you charge a lead acid battery with a lithium charger..... noooo

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    29 күн бұрын

    In my experience that is correct. A lithium charger is not suitable to charge a lead acid battery.

  • @coomera8657
    @coomera86577 ай бұрын

    I been under the impression that 13.4 is full charged for 12v lithium battery?

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    7 ай бұрын

    14.0-14.2V can be considered 100% SOC. Anything less is not full.

  • @boscodog4358
    @boscodog4358 Жыл бұрын

    Does anyone know if I can charge my AGM batteries with my lithium battery charger?

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    Жыл бұрын

    When I use one of the EV Power lithium chargers on a straight SLA battery it seems to not fully charge the battery. AGM (Lead Acid) batteries need a long absorption phase when they get to ~80% SOC because they cannot absorb current fast enough to charge fully once the battery voltage reaches the peak charge voltage. Lithium batteries do not require this phase so much as they generally absorb the full charge current until ~95% SOC.

  • @robertwolfe2971
    @robertwolfe29712 жыл бұрын

    Use lithium battery chargers on lithium batteries and lead acid battery charger on lead acid batteries and agm charger setting on agm batteries.Unless you have the money to experiment just to see if it would most cases the battery capacity is lower and performance suffers and battery don't last as long as the recommended charger type for your specific battery.now that all being said which battery charger is better for your specific brand battery is what your looking for.

  • @davidwright1752
    @davidwright17522 жыл бұрын

    Pin your sales info or web site under the video the silent majority like you video a local supplier how will show us more information will be out in front in the sales department.When we look at cheaper eBay batteries etc. we have to hope they are good.

  • @wyslink9354
    @wyslink93542 жыл бұрын

    ok so your 20amp charger poses no threat, what about a 130amp alternator in a car ? What about one with a fried voltage regulator >

  • @ev-power

    @ev-power

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well I suppose that is going to fry ANY battery. The good thing about the LFP batteries is they have a BATTERY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM (BMS) which will protect the battery against an overvoltage. So I guess there's yet another advantage of LFP over Lead, if that is the point of your comment...

  • @wyslink9354

    @wyslink9354

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ev-power I am no expert, but i am pretty sure batteries in a car arent typically ran flat dead. More importantly it seems cold weather at freezing or below either causes voltage to drop more quickly overnight, or the extreme cold start is something can cause desulfation mode.

  • @jimmybrad156

    @jimmybrad156

    Жыл бұрын

    Should still use a charge controller between alternator & lifepo4 battery.

  • @kiwifishermannewzealand5314
    @kiwifishermannewzealand5314 Жыл бұрын

    Bsafe

  • @jege41
    @jege412 жыл бұрын

    Personally I'm going to buy a new charger.

  • @nzdatsports9659
    @nzdatsports96592 жыл бұрын

    Or you can use a Large charged battery with small gauge wire to limit amps to jumpstart the disabled flat battery it has worked for me in the past. I have been using a projector 16 amp lead acid battery charger on my lithium for two years no problems.

  • @TheAceTroubleshooter

    @TheAceTroubleshooter

    2 жыл бұрын

    You cant limit amps that way !! For real dude! The thinner gauge wire is only going to cause the wire itself to get HOTTER as it passes the same amount of amps that a larger wire would. Will it work? Sure. Until it doesnt, AKA catches fire. Do what you want bro just dont want you to be ignorant about it.

  • @nzdatsports9659

    @nzdatsports9659

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dude I think you misunderstand you use the small gauge wire to jumpstart the battery charger as soon as the charger is running you disconnect. Works for me every time many times.

  • @TheAceTroubleshooter

    @TheAceTroubleshooter

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@nzdatsports9659 Yep, I did read it wrong. Still tho, use thicker gauge wire anyway just to avoid any spontaneous combustion possibilities. Or at least, dont intentionally use baby wire. Check out this video it will explain literally everything! kzread.info/dash/bejne/mIN_l9iOhZy3cpM.html

  • @stormchaser300
    @stormchaser300 Жыл бұрын

    ⚠⚠⚠WARNING ⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠ALWAYS USE THE CORRECT CHARGER THEY ARE MADE FOR A REASON ⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠SAFTY DONT RISK IT⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠

  • @MegaRyan123456

    @MegaRyan123456

    8 ай бұрын

    There is no safety risk using a lead acid charger on a lifepo4 battery It's just a slightly different voltage and you won't get full charge... But there is no "danger"

  • @MegaRyan123456

    @MegaRyan123456

    8 ай бұрын

    If you believe the "safety" risk is 🤣

  • @Free__Speech
    @Free__Speech3 ай бұрын

    U sell batteries & clueless about chargers. Should you even be in a business when u are clueless

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