Can Electric Trucks Challenge Diesel? The Future of Heavy Transport

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Can electric trucks challenge diesel? The Future of Heavy Transport. Even though transitioning passenger cars to battery electric is well underway at this point, we're right at the beginning of transitioning trucks and semis. But there's a major wrinkle. While EVs are far more energy efficient than gasoline vehicles, towing a lot of weight takes a major hit on efficiency. Let's explore the future of electric trucks and just how well batteries stand up to diesel.
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  • @UndecidedMF
    @UndecidedMF2 жыл бұрын

    When do you think we're going to see a flood of electric trucks hitting the market? And if you liked this video, check out Are Stirling Engines the Future of Renewable Energy Storage?: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dJlnqMWkgdKqp9Y.html

  • @mickmccrory8534

    @mickmccrory8534

    2 жыл бұрын

    Electric power strip..... Has anyone considered putting an oscillating magnetic strip down the center of the lane on Interstate highways.? The field could be picked up by a coil of wire on the underside of the car. (Like the phone charging pad) this would eliminate the range problem, & cars would need way smaller battery packs.

  • @remicaron3191

    @remicaron3191

    2 жыл бұрын

    You said it yourself. We don’t have the battery power or the hydrogen facility. I can’t see any change for decades if not our end before it comes.

  • @chadlymath

    @chadlymath

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fuel cell semis & busses are being adopted by numerous companies, with many start ups (yes, Nikola but others like Hyzon) are being supported & adopted & developed globally. Towing & distance, whether in work or leisure, at lengths when towing, is a hard sell charge times aren't conducive, yet shorter & mid Bev's can work. Depends on the need(s). Trains, ships, planes, & flying cars & taxis drive hydrogen demand, with blue & green H2 the ones to look for (while grey H2, from fossil companies, are a concern).

  • @chadlymath

    @chadlymath

    2 жыл бұрын

    And then I get to the part you can talk about it. Also see Volvo, Toyota, & GM (besides China & Australian start ups).

  • @sudeeptaghosh

    @sudeeptaghosh

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@remicaron3191 I am more hopeful than you ..please search Tony Seba and check out his work ..you will be blown away that how many disruption already happened ..and how fast the disruption virus is spreading ...just for the records ..In a lithium ion battery 2% is total lithium used and if you using a Iron phosphate battery then the cathode and anode material is so abundant and cheap that you can literally make infinite battery..

  • @umka7536
    @umka75362 жыл бұрын

    You miss one thing. Load capacity. How much truck weighs and how much load can it carry.

  • @tommersch4296

    @tommersch4296

    2 жыл бұрын

    diesel electric trains

  • @tylerbraman3286

    @tylerbraman3286

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tommersch4296 what they mean by capacity is that semi trucks are restricted by a weight limit. truck and trailer weight equals 3 and load size equals 4 so overall capacity equals 3+4=7. The capacity can be raised by adding more axles, but that adds more weight and wear items while making the trailer more complex (added axles need to lift up for turns).

  • @matildastanford7019

    @matildastanford7019

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tommersch4296 diesel electric trains still use diesel engines to power them. The capacity of which ultimately comes from diesel combustion. Plus fully electric trains are used for passenger transport not freight. So the main problem still remains.

  • @yellowlemonmothfreak

    @yellowlemonmothfreak

    2 жыл бұрын

    Why do freight trucks just throw the load in the back and tow it from the front? Is that the most efficient way of bearing the load given the rectangular volumes they carry, or is it also a logistical matter where it might be impractical to do it any other way since everyone already does it this way already, and it's just good enough in most scenarios anyways, etc

  • @borla4491

    @borla4491

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tommersch4296 Trains can't go everywhere.

  • @ringogringo814
    @ringogringo8142 жыл бұрын

    The test will be going over the Great Divide in the middle of winter when it's 15 below.

  • @blakenelson4158

    @blakenelson4158

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@electric7487 that is not happining. the ground could not hold up the truck.

  • @blakenelson4158

    @blakenelson4158

    2 жыл бұрын

    plus one heck of a boom if containment is broken. lol

  • @thomasheer825

    @thomasheer825

    2 жыл бұрын

    Are you sure you really want to do that, most of the roads would be blocked with stranded electric trucks. Some guys did a real world test of a electric pickup pulling a trailer in the hills, and guess what the range at highway speed going up hill was dismal. And they did it on a 70deg day, now if it was 15 below it would have been even worse.

  • @mishham6388

    @mishham6388

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree ! Also in places like straya where having to go 800km or more between fuel stops is a real issue even with modern diesels !

  • @zues121510

    @zues121510

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's about -10 in celsius, if like me that live in the rest of the world are wondering

  • @TheOFF-GRIDiot
    @TheOFF-GRIDiot2 жыл бұрын

    Curious, unless I missed it, you did not touch on the carrying capacity of the Tesla Semi. Elon did the same thing at the unveiling a couple (several) years back. If the energy density in 1kg of fuel equates to 19kg of Tesla's newest battery cell structure (and it does) then you are going to need like 15-18 tons of battery just to get 500 miles with a load of pillows or uncompressed cotton. Not even sure you can put all that weight in batteries just on the tractor because of axle weight restrictions. So not only will a Tesla semi be limited to less than a third of a diesel's cargo load capacity, I think you'd also need a custom trailer to hold the rest of the batteries to keep all the axle weights legal. There is no way Tesla doesn't already know this. My guess is this thing will end up being a 24 foot cube van for inner-city deliveries only.

  • @xdaniels13

    @xdaniels13

    2 жыл бұрын

    bingo someone how thinks before doing a video in the internet...... hehe ;)

  • @Withnail1969

    @Withnail1969

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly, large electric trucks are quite simply a non starter due to energy density. There's a reason we use diesel.

  • @wiciuwiciu2783

    @wiciuwiciu2783

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly! Cargo=money. So that "operational cost" cannot compare. Plus drivers can cover less km at an hour. Less km/h= less money, so...

  • @Withnail1969

    @Withnail1969

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@wiciuwiciu2783 American trucking is finished when fossil fuels are finished.

  • @asandax6

    @asandax6

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Withnail1969 You mean the whole world Shipping right? It's not only America who uses Fossil fueled trucks it's the whole world.

  • @markisb3585
    @markisb35852 жыл бұрын

    Here in the US. A diesel truck can drive 1,000 miles before you have to fuel it. Also in 11 hrs you can drive up 700 miles or more depending on traffic etc. If you put a heavy load on electric trucks the 300 to 500 mile range will be decreased. The 70 to 90 minutes charging time for electric trucks takes time from driving. You can fuel a diesel truck with 300 gallons in 15 minutes

  • @louiscypher4186

    @louiscypher4186

    2 жыл бұрын

    Here in Aus we have trucks that typically range from 25 - 35 Meters can reach up 50+ meters long in some states, They pull anywhere from 80 - 200 tonnes and are expected to cover hundreds and sometimes thousands of Km's of unsealed roads in remote areas. Even places with sealed roads on major highways ain't it. No one's going to be able to fix an electric truck out on the nullarbour. It is 750K's of nothing at 35C in the day -2C at night and that's without factoring in the road temp. Electric vehicles have their place but its not for long haul trucking. Too many folk want to put all their egg's in one basket.

  • @johntarvin2372

    @johntarvin2372

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@louiscypher4186 9

  • @ferdtheterd3897

    @ferdtheterd3897

    2 жыл бұрын

    You're comparing level 1 electric truck to level 99 diesel truck, give electric some time to grow up and evolve, the first diesels were not great either

  • @ripr2369

    @ripr2369

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wait until it’s -20 F in the Midwest. See how far it will really go. All those pretty promotional scenes are summer driving

  • @Gromitz101

    @Gromitz101

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ferdtheterd3897 Except that this whole thing forgets how much carbon based power stations are going to be made to sustain all these trucks to get power.

  • @sepez
    @sepez2 жыл бұрын

    I think electric lorries (trucks in the UK) would work well in the UK. They don't have huge distances to go and if charging takes about 90 mins then they can charge while on lunch or when at the depot/delivery point.

  • @armadillito

    @armadillito

    2 жыл бұрын

    They certainly seem worth trying for fixed route large deliveries, like supermarket distribution centres, where the infrastructure will get a good return on investment.

  • @Al3xki

    @Al3xki

    2 жыл бұрын

    Or when they are forced to stop for breaks every 2(?) hours

  • @NorroTaku

    @NorroTaku

    2 жыл бұрын

    for everything else rail should be the go to it's way more efficient you invest into the infrastructure once so you don't have to lug around a huge battery or a Diesel tank or even superfluous drivers EDIT: no more incest

  • @LogistiQbunnik

    @LogistiQbunnik

    2 жыл бұрын

    Since every truck driver must make a stop of at least 30 minutes after 4 hours driving, I would think they would target reloading for shorter periods during those brakes. And maybe at hubs while being loaded/unloaded (for trucks in distribution networks for supermarkets etc)

  • @ubertruckerdrstrangepork8922

    @ubertruckerdrstrangepork8922

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Al3xki 4.5hrs driving and then a 45 min (min) break. I like the idea of 2 though and I wish you were my transort manager ;)

  • @duncangray6786
    @duncangray67862 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting presentation ... I'd love to see your cost/mile figures converted to cost per Cargo-Ton Mile, I think the outcome will show electric as far less favorable than is currently being presented: the energy density on electric is lower, meaning more mass of batteries is needed, highway regulations stipulate the maximum gross weight of the truck with it's cargo, therefore the electric truck will not be able to haul so much cargo because of the mass of batteries it's hauling (which for long range I think is going to be pretty significant). This will increase ir's cost per cargo-ton mile (which I suspect is the figure the haulage company is probably interested in; not cost of driving the truck from A-B, but cost of getting {x} tons of cargo from A-B, and I again suspect haulage companies double-up on deliveries to try to keep that truck near it's maximum weight whenever possible, to maximise cost per cargo-ton mile)

  • @ironclad445

    @ironclad445

    2 жыл бұрын

    The payload on these trucks is 5 tons which makes the whole thing unviable. This is why Elon isn't actually building them.

  • @mavrickdraft

    @mavrickdraft

    Жыл бұрын

    Although it's important that you consult an experienced transportation provider before moving overweight freight, you can expect to be allowed 22,000 pounds per axle (44,000 total) for these loads in the majority of states.

  • @lcfctom1

    @lcfctom1

    Жыл бұрын

    I love how all the assumptions on this video are ‘based on what Elon said’ and totally ignoring the weight of all those batteries reducing the potential cargo weight…, believing the King of Snake Oil sales 😂

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ironclad445 It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mavrickdraft It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @briannem.6787
    @briannem.67872 жыл бұрын

    An important consideration in electric vehicles is the extreme weight. To fulfil such a high range, even with the new type of batteries being made with 2x range, the truck has a weight limit. To drive on a road, the truck and trailer must not exceed a certain weight. This means that the truck's hauling capacity will be reduced significantly to only a few tonnes- might as well buy an electric box-van to do the work. What might work well is having reduced battery range and having a trolleybus-like system which the trucks use on motorways, accompanied by a battery pack used when off the motorways. This means less weight.

  • @powrguy1696

    @powrguy1696

    2 жыл бұрын

    They'll just change the rules, as always, to achieve their Agenda........there is no public concern allowed.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @briannem.6787

    @briannem.6787

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bygrace3455 perpetual motion will never work. Every system has losses, therefore you can't make perpetual motion. Using the earth's magnetic field as a power source? Well, the magnetic field is far too weak for that!

  • @briannem.6787

    @briannem.6787

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ryanvigus9634 I remember getting those figures from an Adam Something video I watched (before he was widely known to be an asshole) so these figures aren't from nowhere. I can no longer remember the specifics, but I clearly remember that the amount of cargo space lost would be more than a truck company is willing to lose. I believe fuel cells are lighter for the same weight, maybe they will be the thing the trucking world needs? Or, y'know, move all long distance transport onto electrified railways, and save trucks for last-mile...

  • @briannem.6787

    @briannem.6787

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ryanvigus9634 I'd like to see your maths, though. Batteries aren't exactly light- even Li-ions or Li-Fe-Po batteries still weigh a fair amount. For such ridiculously long ranges, in such a heavy vehicle, they're gonna be big.

  • @alanjrobertson
    @alanjrobertson2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for including the UK comparison prices, really useful when the cost of fuel can vary so widely in different countries!

  • @Brandon_letsgo

    @Brandon_letsgo

    2 жыл бұрын

    You guys are being ripped off by the Queen. Roughly 63p per petrol litre is tax! That's INSANE!

  • @Nolligan

    @Nolligan

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Brandon_letsgo It costs even more in Norway, Denmark and Sweden and is roughly the same in Netherlands, Portugal and Italy so for Europe it's only a bit higher than the average.

  • @Brandon_letsgo

    @Brandon_letsgo

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Nolligan That's terrible since there's no commerce without transportation. Tax on energy is the most regressive kinda tax that existis. It's morally indefensible.

  • @mondotv4216

    @mondotv4216

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Brandon_letsgo I don’t think the Queen still collects taxes. I believe that’s the role of the Treasury and it makes sense that the tax collected goes towards maintaining and improving roads. Except it doesn’t as it goes into geneal revenue. So you’re still right - Brits and Aussies are ripped off.

  • @Brandon_letsgo

    @Brandon_letsgo

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mondotv4216 There way more roads in America and they're in a very good shape without overtaxing petrol and diesel.

  • @davidbrookes9424
    @davidbrookes94242 жыл бұрын

    Ports should be using electric trucks. A lot of these trucks don't travel far but drive all day and night.

  • @heyhoe168

    @heyhoe168

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well, market will tell.

  • @WhispersOnLy

    @WhispersOnLy

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's a great idea, unless they can get diesel fuel cheaply due to location* Another big area for electric automobiles is warehouses, and they'll probably be autonomous,, both small and larger applications.

  • @rookiebird9382

    @rookiebird9382

    2 жыл бұрын

    In fact, automated trucks have been in port transport for years. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ep-V18uAibecibw.html

  • @kadmow

    @kadmow

    2 жыл бұрын

    Just as most warehouse fork lifts and pallet "transporters" are electric, Short and Ultra-short high volume transport is a fit for EV -as long as the battery+drivetrain weight is similar to the weight of Diesel Drivetrain+fuel, there will be no "hit to transport capacity". Like city-cars, local transport is the obvious fit. For on-highway long distance transport, 80% ... (quick charge capacity - batteries LOVE working between 20% and 80% capacity - not too far outside those limits) ...range needs to be in the 5-6 hour Driving intervals (~360 mile (~580km) range) between rest stops (30 minute rest every 5 or 6 hours is fairly common - regulations may vary for different countries/regions).

  • @weldonyoung1013

    @weldonyoung1013

    2 жыл бұрын

    @David Brookes , sound much like the condition of Transit Bus Fleets. However, with the owner being municipalities or public the incentive is much higher & there does not appear to be that much conversion to electic propulsion.

  • @delecatedesertflair9072
    @delecatedesertflair90722 жыл бұрын

    I remember an article that I read many years ago where an electric car company was flirting with the idea of removable battery pack. You would pull up to a station where the used battery pack would be slid out and charged. A freshly charged battery pack would then be slid in and connected to the engine. The total time for the change was only a few minutes. I wonder if something like this could be done efficiently for trucks.

  • @brendanmccann5695

    @brendanmccann5695

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is now being done by Nio cars in China. I would imagine trucking is not far behind.

  • @ROLLIN-DUB

    @ROLLIN-DUB

    Жыл бұрын

    @@brendanmccann5695 cars? If they could make the batteries smaller and more powerful, that’d be great but they way it stands now America and or any counties infrastructure will not and cannot handle that constant bombardment to its infrastructure. We’re already complaining about the slightest pot holes in the road now- imagine if we had to immediately switch to those batteries and what it what do to shipping and receiving as well as the consumer.

  • @IamCoalfoot
    @IamCoalfoot2 жыл бұрын

    Y'know, with how much energy is lost by brakes in big, heavy trucks, hybrids seem like a good place to start. Currently, most of the braking is done by 'Engine Braking', letting the engine resist the transmission with no fuel. Letting generators capture high-torque electricity to be re-used for acceleration (the hardest part for a big truck) just seems like a good idea.

  • @johnlshilling1446

    @johnlshilling1446

    2 жыл бұрын

    The problem I see barreling directly at us is WHERE IS THE ADDITIONAL ELECTRICITY GOING TO COME FROM? Power production capacity is already overloaded in any place that has restricted or shut down Nat Gas, Oil, and Coal plants.., not to mention Homer's "Nu-cu-lar" plants... (IE: California? -- Texas' grid failure? -- Hurricanes?) More EVs = more demand. The supply is already strained!

  • @andrewgodly5739

    @andrewgodly5739

    2 жыл бұрын

    You don't do alot of breaking on the highway. That would only work for box trucks that travel a lot in cities

  • @205rider8

    @205rider8

    2 жыл бұрын

    Braking in an EV truck generates electricity that is stored in the battery.

  • @xanatax1844

    @xanatax1844

    2 жыл бұрын

    hybrid, but plug-in EV + Hydrogen. 🤩

  • @4473021

    @4473021

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@johnlshilling1446 just gotta build more LFTRs

  • @stagman4611
    @stagman46112 жыл бұрын

    Glad to see the side by side comparison with us here in the UK 🇬🇧. thanks for another great video 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @TheEvilsprite
    @TheEvilsprite2 жыл бұрын

    Its interesting to see a well thought out perspective from someone outside trucking. I've driven trucks in Europe for about 20 years, so I have a fair understanding of the industry. A couple of areas I feel you did not take in to account is the vast majority of trucks driving local routes don't just have one driver. Most of the work I've done involved handing the truck to the next driver. The truck isn't sitting still for the 90 mins it takes to achieve the 80% charge. So add the cost of 2 or 3 extra trucks to the fleet to maintain maximum work load, then the cost of maintenance, insurance, repairs etc. It all adds up and diminishes the advantage of battery powered electric trucks. The saying in trucking is "if its moving, its making you money. If its sitting still, its costing you money". You highlight in the video the average millage per year and life span of the truck. Most of the larger companies I've worked for replace the trucks at 750,000 - 1,000,000km (Its Europe so its metric) but I have driven trucks that have driven 1.5 - 2 million km. Normally at the end of its life with the company that bought it new the truck is sold in the used market. Have you ever tried to use a 10 year old battery, like in a laptop or a phone. The battery loses its ability to hold a charge with each charge. A diesel truck does not suffer this in anywhere near the same way. So add the devaluation of the resale value trucks to the equation and batteries are a larger cost in the long term compared to diesel. For me hydrogen wins hands down in trucking. Compared to diesel, its cheaper, more efficient, refuel time is the same, one stop at the pumps to tank up does a days or nights work and compared to batteries it has greater range. But most importantly weighs less. As trucks have total weight limited that includes the cargo (in Europe this is 44ton), hydrogen trucks will be able to carry more cargo. My personal belief is that cars will continue with batteries but heavy haulage will go down the hydrogen path. This will in turn lead to the hydrogen infrastructure being built. Once that's in place, car drivers regularly driving beyond the range of the battery and having to do a 90 min stop to fuel up will want a return to 5 mins stops on the forecourt. At the end we will have a mix on EV solutions.

  • @aljaume3466

    @aljaume3466

    2 жыл бұрын

    I like your comment. Furthermore looking at it from a holistic point of view, one of the beast paths to decarbonise heating in the residential sector is to move to hydrogen. A hydrogen infrastructure is needed in many countries and this transition can be accelerated by having other sectors demanding that resource as well. I think EVs and hydrogen are both equally required, and not necessarily in opposition, but i definitively see the advantages of hydrogen to advance decarbonisation in other sectors. In regards to the blue vs green hydrogen situation, I thibk blue hydrogen can kick-start the industry moving towards scaling up the required hydrogen infrastructure, but i would be worry that the strategy would be to rely solely on this supply in the long term. There must be clear plans to speed up green hydrogen production and phase out blue hydrogen as soon as possible.

  • @robert3nidad25

    @robert3nidad25

    2 жыл бұрын

    Very well said sir. Also can this truck drive thru some flooded area diesel truck still is the way to go. There are part of the world electric powered truck may not be viable let say road train this trucks are massive can electric truck replace them? Its all about range and the heavier the truck the more battery it need to move the truck and the load.

  • @antonmorozov5193

    @antonmorozov5193

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well said, but as far as I know humans did not invent safe and cheap way to use hydrogen. I mean yeah, it's cheaper and lighter, but it's also way more prone to leakage and inflammation. Have I missed some cool new tech that lets people to distribute, dispense and use H as a fuel that has appeared in the last year or two? Because nothing that we use today is suitable. Oh, and in case you say "we will find the ways later" - yes, we will, but lets not repeat the same mistake we did with electro cars, lets start thinking about using hydrogen as a fuel AFTER we find a way to use it?

  • @changluo807

    @changluo807

    2 жыл бұрын

    Very valid points. The main problem of hydrogen is the low efficiency. The so called green hydrogen is produced through electrolysis using electricity generated from renewable energy sources. The process has energy losses of about 20-30%. Then the hydrogen needs to be compressed to 350 bar or 700 bar at a cost of 3-6% loss, or cooled to be in liquid state at much higher costs. The compressed or liquid hydrogen is then transported and distributed, again, with losses of about 10%. Now the truck is filled with hydrogen, of which only about 50% percent can be converted into electricity by fuel cells. All of these means the electricity - hydrogen - electricity conversion efficiency is somewhere about 30%. Handling of electricity has much higher efficiency.

  • @TheEvilsprite

    @TheEvilsprite

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Al Jaume ​ @Robert 3nidad ​ @Anton Morozov ​ @Chang Luo I fully believe that what way large goods vehicles go in terms on EV power storage will shape what everyone does for anything outside local driving (local being a radius of half the battery range or "there and back"). You guys bring up some points I'd never considered like flooded areas or road trains but I wonder how artic and mountain driving effect the batteries performance. I think this is not something that will be decided by drivers, planners or transport managers. Its going to be the accountants as its all going to come down to the profit at the end of the life cycle of the truck. The other thing we should take in to account is if green hydrogen becomes readily available or solid state batteries deliver what is expected then the winner becomes obvious. I definitely see the benefit of a mixed solution if the second hand market is relatively unaffected by the batteries life span. I know Tesla have some high confidence in the life span of the battery but have you seen the cost to replace a tesla battery? Personally I'd have a hydrogen as I regularly travel across Europe in a car. My current 9-10 hour drive becomes about 14 hours with current battery tech. Chang Luo, I remember seeing this somewhere before and I think even with hydrogen being a low percentage for the efficiency of the whole life cycle it was still better than what we currently have. Also I think electric was around a 80 or 90%. I may be wrong on this as I cant find where I saw it.

  • @masteroflameness
    @masteroflameness2 жыл бұрын

    But...does the "cost" of electricity include the underlying cost of charging stations? The grid build out to support them? Also, what happens to the mountains of toxic batteries when they reach end of life?

  • @cherylreid2964

    @cherylreid2964

    2 жыл бұрын

    Recycling of Lithium batteries 🙌

  • @louisshin642

    @louisshin642

    2 жыл бұрын

    As for the battery question, I've heard that upcoming Solid-State Batteries would solve that issue, or at least significantly reduce battery-related waste.

  • @masteroflameness

    @masteroflameness

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@louisshin642 I have seen many proposed alternatives which appear to be in the works. My point is that right know, today, they are doubling down on lithium/cobalt.

  • @Withnail1969

    @Withnail1969

    2 жыл бұрын

    We can't possibly charge all the electric trucks we would need without greatly expanding the electric grid. And there's no money or resources to do that on the scale we would need.

  • @aleksandersuur9475

    @aleksandersuur9475

    2 жыл бұрын

    What toxic batteries? Lithium ion batteries are not toxic.

  • @eric78730
    @eric787302 жыл бұрын

    What about Hyliion ERX? Carries generator with it and burns RNG with infrastructure already in place. 1000 range.

  • @mikiethebikie
    @mikiethebikie2 жыл бұрын

    Down here in New Zealand a supermarket company has been running electric delivery trucks for about a year, working in cities not between them.

  • @drosophilamelanogaster3957

    @drosophilamelanogaster3957

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ali's dairy? Your government is doing nothing to accelerate the change. The "Clean and Green" is all vaporware and clever marketing.

  • @KRYMauL

    @KRYMauL

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@drosophilamelanogaster3957 Don’t worry we’ll just have a ton of climate refugees and local governments won’t do anything. Until one country eventually conceded and gives their sovereignty to the UN effectively making them have control over the movement of people. This will then ripple effect and every country will give up sovereignty in order to solve the problem and we will have a global state to battle climate change and probably to colonize the solar system, too.

  • @seanworkman431

    @seanworkman431

    2 жыл бұрын

    Years ago milk vans were electric so as to not wake everyone. Not new tech.

  • @James-sk4db

    @James-sk4db

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@KRYMauL Sounds awful. Incentivise people who want power to of a global government to push a problem not give solutions.

  • @KRYMauL

    @KRYMauL

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@James-sk4db Idk Expanse was pretty cool.

  • @scottjensen4801
    @scottjensen48012 жыл бұрын

    Matt I love your channel, and this is yet another great video but I am a truck guy and I have some quibbles with your analyses: EV and ICE trucks may both require the same amount of tires, however diesel trucks require many more fluids and filtration then EVs do, and when it comes to 18 wheelers. those are pretty significant costs. In addition to that all diesel engines that are built after 2010 consume DEF which is an additional cost, There are also brakes and the maintenance of the DPF filter to be considered. In addition to that I don't think the disruption will necessarily come in the the long haul at least not initially . Regional trucking in major metropolitan areas is where EV trucks will dominate. Many trucks spend there average days droning around in stop and go traffic at least for parts of their duty cycle. One must consider that every single second that a diesel truck is standing still in traffic it is idling and thus consuming energy vs an EV which is pretty much consuming nothing when it isn't moving, this may seem trivial but it really can and does add up. The simplest way to put it is, the major initial disruption will not come from trucks that run 100k annually, rather from applications where trucks that run all day but go relatively short distances during that time where the savings will really manifest. Sorry for the long rant it's a subject I'm passionate about. Thank you again Matt for what you do. Cheers!!!!

  • @alxade6698

    @alxade6698

    2 жыл бұрын

    I like your long rant, thanks for the comment.

  • @bhullar007

    @bhullar007

    2 жыл бұрын

    as owner of 15 diesel Semi operating in US-CAN , Diesel engine repair is too expensive to operate it. people try everything to from Emission controls bypass and buying 20 years old trucks which legally don't require emission control but they are largest polluters.

  • @cleanitup_pls7893

    @cleanitup_pls7893

    2 жыл бұрын

    Excellent comment, your points are correct and material to the comparison. So thankyou, no apologies necessary. Those trucks in the cities in stop and go traffic are a big source of pollution in a small area, and it seems like they are everywhere as I walk around trying to breath.

  • @gwarlow

    @gwarlow

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nice to see such passion articulated so well. Thanks for leaving such a well thought out comment. Cheers.

  • @AnalystPrime

    @AnalystPrime

    2 жыл бұрын

    Deliveries within and near cities are such obviously perfect use for electric trucks and vans that it amazes me more companies didn't build their own when none were on the market.

  • @lkjh861
    @lkjh8612 жыл бұрын

    Always a funny moment when watching "some dude in America's video" about electric trucks ~ and then all of a sudden, there's images of a local shopping street in a Swedish city you've been to multiple times... just that moment of thinking "Wait, what? Why is he showing clips from Malmö... oooh, right... Scania trucks! Skåne!" 😁

  • @JohnDoe-hg4lq
    @JohnDoe-hg4lq2 жыл бұрын

    Operating cost goes out the window when you realize you need 3 electric semis to carry the same load of 1 diesel semi (when accounting for weight of battery). You need to be multiplying the operating cost by roughly 3 for the math to make sense.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @marcushennings9513

    @marcushennings9513

    14 күн бұрын

    As I've said before, imo they can be useful to supplement the industry but not phase out or replace diesel entirely. Some distribution centers can put charging stations in their facilities for running local deliveries, trailer jockeying/ yard dogs, etc, but not full otr through mountains and in serious terrain. There are too many variables, such as being stuck in snowstorms and not being able to charge. Then, the deceased drivers' families will sue everyone involved, including the janitor. The added weight of the batteries would automatically lessen the freight per truck, which would most like only add to the problem.

  • @purplishhaze
    @purplishhaze2 жыл бұрын

    Good video! It seems that a big miss is no mention of Hyliion. What I love about their solution is that their powertrain charges while operating and is flexible but initially uses natural gas which is available already (although not widely enough). Their solution seems to be the best for early adopters.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @viktor9989
    @viktor99892 жыл бұрын

    You should have your own channel on Discovery my friend, your videos have such high quality and the content is on point and well made. Can't get enough of your videos

  • @i20010

    @i20010

    2 жыл бұрын

    Discovery is junk compared to this guy.

  • @beaudavis3808

    @beaudavis3808

    2 жыл бұрын

    Massively. It was good back in the 90's, but not anymore.

  • @viktor9989

    @viktor9989

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@beaudavis3808 That's why we need to make it good again with the right people ;)

  • @shawngbrennan9893
    @shawngbrennan98932 жыл бұрын

    Watching this in March 2022... LOL at the diesel gas prices from last year. Crazy how quick things can change. Great video. Love this guy!

  • @klayvonisme
    @klayvonisme2 жыл бұрын

    I was talking to a friend who designed what is essentially a black hole that condenses electricity from our environment. This would provide constant energy without the need for wind, sunshine, or any other source of backup energy. He and his partners built a facility and are now manufacturing enough units to power 200 semi trucks for the Dept of Defense. Once you own one of them, you will have free electricity forever, or as long as the unit remains in working condition. It was a fascinating conversation and wish I could have retained more detail information about it. This is what Tesla was doing but on another level.

  • @GeorgeOu
    @GeorgeOu2 жыл бұрын

    You also need to factor in the payload loss because of the extra weight of the batteries. For long range trucking, we're probably looking at close to 1000 KWH weighing over 10,000 lbs. Even then, it will still have a shorter range than Diesel.

  • @Kangenpower7

    @Kangenpower7

    2 жыл бұрын

    A 180 KW battery is about 2,000 pounds. They don't need more than 400 KW in the tractor, but ultimately they will probably have 200 - 250 KW in the tractor, with another 200 - 250 KW in the trailer with it's own motor on one of the trailer axles. The current 15 liter engines and a 13 speed transmission is about 2,800 pounds, while a 300 gallon fuel tank is 2,000 pounds.

  • @bartismoellis1052
    @bartismoellis10522 жыл бұрын

    I want to see the battery usage on the Tesla truck the 500 mile range truck climbing say the Ike in Colorado fully loaded.

  • @neelvk

    @neelvk

    2 жыл бұрын

    And the recharge when they are going downhill.

  • @nowaynoways584

    @nowaynoways584

    2 жыл бұрын

    They won't even release cold weather performance, lol.

  • @357bullfrog9

    @357bullfrog9

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too. I'd like to see a battery powered semi oull 20 or 30 ton up them mountains in winter lol How stupid do they think we are. And that peckerhead talking don't realize a diesel engine provided his last meal

  • @babstude

    @babstude

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@357bullfrog9 piece of cake; the electric truck will out torque the diesel big time; it'll maintain highway speed up that hill

  • @marwerno

    @marwerno

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@357bullfrog9 Batteries can be heated and well insulated to do that job. Once they are under load, the will heat themselves with the discharge. I guess this challenge would only be one if you start at the bottom of the hill having parked the truck over night there in a cold winter night. But this wouldn't be good on a diesel either :-) I driven over Wolf Creek Pass on a Push bike in my youth. I know quite right what you are talking about ;-)

  • @mrdirtycanuck6882
    @mrdirtycanuck68822 жыл бұрын

    I had to baby my rig when it was -72 with wind chill up in Canada. I’m curious what the range of a battery truck would be in Canada in the deep cold. 13+2 hours in Canada.

  • @iihoipoiii

    @iihoipoiii

    2 жыл бұрын

    well with those temperatures diesel wouldnt be too bad you would need a lot of heat for the cabin anyways so the internal combustion engine would make a lot of sense there i would say thermodynamicly the diesel engines efficiency improves when using the excess heat

  • @sovo1212
    @sovo12122 жыл бұрын

    I'm surprised you didn't mention an overhead catenary system for trucks. Lack of big batteries would not be an issue in such scenario. I think it's the best long term solution.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @sovo1212

    @sovo1212

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bygrace3455 WTF are you talking about? There's no such thing as perpetual motion.

  • @FIAWOLpi
    @FIAWOLpi2 жыл бұрын

    I don't believe there ever will be a "flood" of EV trucks. I can see them being adopted in small numbers by large specialized carriers like WalMart but I cannot imagine a large volume of EVs until there is an enormous overhaul of the type of support that surrounds the trucking industry

  • @eugeneforge

    @eugeneforge

    2 жыл бұрын

    Walmart, Amazon, etc. will drive this market. Any company that controls both docks will put in chargers for the trucks while loading and unloading. It will be likely to cut their shipping costs significantly.

  • @Daniel-if7gz
    @Daniel-if7gz2 жыл бұрын

    Another great video I appreciate the reference to the Engineering Explained towing video. BTW, at 12:35, in the speed up truck stop clip, there is a guy leaking in the bushes.

  • @UndecidedMF

    @UndecidedMF

    2 жыл бұрын

    The EE video is so good. Love his break down on all the math behind this. And man ... you've got some eagle eyes catching that guy taking a leak.

  • @Daniel-if7gz

    @Daniel-if7gz

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@UndecidedMF lol, my eyes just happened to follow the movement in that portion of the frame, had to rewind to confirm. Keep up the great work on the videos!

  • @samuelprice538

    @samuelprice538

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@UndecidedMF Sometimes he's as dumb as a bunch of rocks. In a video about electric trucks he thought that mountainous regions wouldn't be a good fit.... That's where they will shine the brightest. Zooming up steep hills at the speed limit instead of crawling, and recovering a good chunk of their range on the downhills, not burning through their brakes.

  • @mjc0961

    @mjc0961

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@samuelprice538 You really come across as someone who didn't try to listen, didn't try to learn, and just heard something that sounds wrong to you and decided "he's as dumb as a bunch of rocks" without doing any further research. If you bothered to watch the towing video in question, you'd already know exactly why "Zooming up steep hills at the speed limit" isn't going to work out well for electric trucks towing a lot of cargo.

  • @Smooththatsme
    @Smooththatsme2 жыл бұрын

    The electric truck is a nice “pipe dream”right now, that may do well moving freight the furniture, but for now diesel is the magic to get things done. electric trucks will have to over come and out perform the diesel trucks we have now that get the job done. Until then they will be nothing more than a fantasy

  • @lonestarr1490

    @lonestarr1490

    2 жыл бұрын

    I never understood why electric trucks (or cars for that instance) necessarily have to outperform their internal combustion counterparts. If they do 5 - 10% worse, then who cares? It's not like in the 90's people have said, "Oh no, we can't use those trucks, because they're not as efficient as they will be 30 years from now!" We are allowed to factor in the added bonus of heavily reduced carbon emissions, so why do they have to have a head start in efficiency? If usage starts as soon as possible and becomes significantly widespread, in 10 years from now they will be significantly more efficient and at some point surpass the combustion vehicles.

  • @huleyn135

    @huleyn135

    2 жыл бұрын

    Electric cars were Not commercially feasible just a decade back. Trucks will become electric eventually

  • @Smooththatsme

    @Smooththatsme

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lonestarr1490 Ask someone that is running a business using commercial vehicles like say a trucking company that runs trucks coast to coast trying to run a profitable business. I’m sure they could explain why the next few trucks they buy have to do better than what they have now. It’s called making money, plain an simple

  • @Kangenpower7

    @Kangenpower7

    2 жыл бұрын

    Back in the 50's they thought "Why retire and scrap a 10 year old coal locomotive?" Yet they did it because the cost for maintenance was so much more expensive than diesel trains. They will find electric trucks much less expensive, and will scrap the diesel ones very soon. One key will be a electric motor and 400 KW battery in the trailer, that can sit for 6 hours between trips at a distribution center charging itself.

  • @blackrockcity

    @blackrockcity

    2 жыл бұрын

    Diesel prices almost doubled since you posted this 6 months ago. Electricity costs are going to zero with renewable growth. Diesel cannot compete no matter how you slice it.

  • @nathanwright3917
    @nathanwright39172 жыл бұрын

    I would like to see a version of this video but also done for cold weather climates, such as Canada. In Canada our max weight for legal trucks is 63,500kgs and we can drive for 13 hours. Cold weather massively affects battery efficiency. Would like to hear your thoughts.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @nathanwright3917

    @nathanwright3917

    Жыл бұрын

    That’s called background radiation, it’s so low in power that it’s called background for a reason. And some truck drivers have issues hitting bridges and power lines at 13’6” high now, it would mean a lot more bridge hits to generate enough power for a watch to tick just one second.

  • @TuomasLeone
    @TuomasLeone2 жыл бұрын

    I think you'll see more electric trucks in Europe to start with. Stricter time limits on how long a driver and drive for, combined with generally shorter hauls make the market more conducive to at least this early generation of BEV trucks. I wouldn't count hydrogen out at all, as Matt mentioned the infrastructure isn't there for either yet. It's a matter of who can build out their respective system the quickest and be the most price competitive.

  • @fmvm

    @fmvm

    2 жыл бұрын

    On the contrary, it seems to me that hydrogen is the correct option for cargo transport (trucks and trains) and public transport; while batteries for the particular segment. In addition, the infrastructure for hydrogen is similar to that used for CNG. EDIT: and don't forget that batteries are not recycled yet (cost / benefit)

  • @afewdeer6627

    @afewdeer6627

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree that shorter hauls make electric trucks much more viable. I would think that even in the US a large percentage of the routes for a truck are depot-to-depot or point-to-point deliveries that are much less than 500 miles per day in total. These are also probably the routes that cause the most pollution with lots of low-speed start and stop type driving. As to infrastructure, there is already a huge distribution network for electricity with "only" the last mile stuff missing; the charging stations. Hydrogen on the other hand has no distribution network and would, perhaps, be prohibitively expensive to establish in the relative short term. I am a big fan of hydrogen but I believe that it is probably a next-gen fuel source. whereas electricity is ubiquitous and easily distributed today.

  • @TuomasLeone

    @TuomasLeone

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@afewdeer6627 I have *zero* experience with this. But is it really a last-mile problem for the heavy-duty charging requirements that trucks will require? I'm thinking that it might require more of build out than the typical automobile based charging station would require. That's just very much a guess, however.

  • @MDP1702

    @MDP1702

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fmvm I disagree on public transport, China already has proven that electric busses are more than possible, one city the size of small countries in population switched to fully electric busses in just a few years (forgot which city it was). My local (well provincial) public bus operator bought some hydrogen busses 2 years ago and shelved them after a few months due to too expensive. In Europe most trainlines are electrified, so no need for hydrogen there. As for trucks like the original commentator said, EV trucks would fit perfectly into the time limits imposed on the trucking industry (After 3-4 hours mandatory 20-30 minute stop to rest, no longer than +-10 hour driving untill taking a much longer rest, meaning around a max daily distance of 525 miles with stops during which some charging can be done). Hydrogen trucks might stil be used, but more likely as a niche sector. Hydrogen really could play a part in air and sea travel when it comes down to transportation, for other things it is much more limited. And no, the infrastructure for hydrogen isn't similar for CNG, or better it isn't usefull. Sure it is similar in that both are a gas, but that is mostly where it ends. Most of CNG infrastructure isn't really fit for hydrogen and there aren't many cng cars/trucks to start with, so there isn't much infrastructure anyway. As for recycling, EV companies are already looking into recycling as a cost saving measure since they don't need to constantly mine and refine their needed resources, something that is rather costly due to the low % of these resources in the overall mined material, however batteries already have a rich presence of these resources.

  • @kaitlyn__L

    @kaitlyn__L

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fmvm the UK freight industry is annoyed at government saying hydrogen could replace overhead line expansion for rail, they say having the extra equipment for the tanks and fuel cells would be a few extra carriages’ worth. They want overhead electrification precisely because it’s got the least space, weight, and has the highest power output rating.

  • @FSXgta
    @FSXgta2 жыл бұрын

    Volvo trucks already testing in Norway. But they say they need to charge in the lunch break

  • @juliogonzo2718

    @juliogonzo2718

    2 жыл бұрын

    My lunch break seems to only ever be 10 minutes about 7 hours after I start working so hope it can charge fast

  • @youmessedup7758

    @youmessedup7758

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@juliogonzo2718 no way it’s gonna charge that fast 💀

  • @richardcoughlin8931
    @richardcoughlin89312 жыл бұрын

    It seems that the easiest entry route for electric trucks is in the local to medium run area. Long range semi’s have problems that make them a more complicated proposition. For example, local/medium trucks don’t have have to contend with driver fatigue, pressure to reach a distant destinations on time, hurry up and wait charging, and bad weather that may occur along the way. To use a baseball analogy, it looks like Elon Musk has gone for the home run rather than a series of singles and doubles. Babe Ruth had a record strikeouts in addition to record for home runs.

  • @Kangenpower7
    @Kangenpower72 жыл бұрын

    One way to add range to a electric truck is add batteries and possibly a motor to the trailer battery. This would make perfect combination for a trucking company in Oregon that transfers trash to a landfill that is about 150 miles east of Portland Oregon. The trailers sit for 1-3 days before being filled, then driven east, unloaded, and driven back to Portland. A 400 KW battery on the trailer, and a 200 KW motor can recharge it on downhills, or add power to the combo when going up hills. A 40 amp 800 volt DC connection to the tractor can move 64 KW when there are two + 800 VDC, 2 negative conductors (with #6 wire and a 50 amp 5 wire plug and a #10 ground). If the truck is using 2 KW per mile and the trailer another 2 KW per mile, it will have a 200 mile range without significantly depleting the tractor truck battery during the run east and back to Portland, they could keep running the truck almost 24/ 6 days a week, like the existing diesel trucks run. For supermarkets, a 50 amp 480 volt receptacle near the loading docks could power a onboard charger that will recharge the trailer battery with one cord, and the truck battery with another cord, and charge at 40 KW per hour per 50 amp cord. They normally spend at least 1 hour unloading at each store, so the range would be extended by 40 miles during each hour of charging. At the distribution center, the truck could get a full charge in a short time, while a trailer can take 6-10 hours before it will be needed again. So perhaps a 200 KW battery on the truck and a 400 KW battery on each trailer would make the best use of the battery weight and cost. Yes there are at least 5 companies already making trailers (and even RV's) with a battery and electric motor in the trailer to be pulled by a diesel truck to extend the range and reduce fuel costs.

  • @muayyadalsadi
    @muayyadalsadi2 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad you talked about hydrogen. I don't think semi cares about infra because a large business like pepsico can install a hydrogen station in their facility, unlike homes.

  • @beaumob

    @beaumob

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hydrogen ain't goin' anywhere. That's a petrochemical pipedream the gas and oil companies need to stay in business - they gotta sell something they extracted to make a buck. Hydrogen is dangerous and would need an entire coast-to-coast distribution network. Think Hindenburg. Kablooey goes hydrogen! Just like Nikola.

  • @CoffeeD_1

    @CoffeeD_1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@beaumob do you have any knowledge on gas tank safety? Petroleum gas and such are also stored quite safely in gas tanks, and hydrogen, quickly rising up into the air would actually be safer than that. We aren’t transporting hydrogen in big balloons that just explode at random. Also, hydrogen generators with over 80% efficiency can be built on location with just electricity and water. That will be a quite attractive solution in the futre

  • @alexdegrat1006
    @alexdegrat10062 жыл бұрын

    I worry about what happens to all the smashed battery packs that are from traffic crashes. Fire risk, storage, recycle ability, etc...

  • @chrisward5626

    @chrisward5626

    2 жыл бұрын

    You do realise gas is highly flammable

  • @cdunn2669

    @cdunn2669

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chrisward5626 Gasoline is. Diesel is not. The flammability of battery packs is a real concern. Remember when Galaxy notes were recalled because they could blow up in your pocket?

  • @chrisward5626

    @chrisward5626

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@cdunn2669 the phones didn’t “blow up “ at all . Yes they burn but don’t explode . It’s not gasoline. You seem to ignor all the cars on the roads with their gasoline plus the tankers carrying the stuff .

  • @BOBANDVEG

    @BOBANDVEG

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chrisward5626 lol.... The guy that invented the pneumatic car got shut down bc they said "if theres a wreck, the air tank would act like a missile ".....he said a gas tank is not a teddy bear. He had windmills manually turning air compressors to fill air tanks for practically nothing.

  • @andrefecteau

    @andrefecteau

    2 жыл бұрын

    glad you aren't in charge of anything...whatever minor peril that is doesn't compare to impaired drivers, lack of efficiency and labor costs...dude the trucks will move autonomously...running 24/7 with little fuel and no labor or liability it's the one thing we can all look forward to...lower prices on anything...you aren't in business are you? So you wouldn't get it.

  • @Timbo_tango
    @Timbo_tango Жыл бұрын

    Please explain to me just how you can charge that 264Kw Volvo to 80% in 70mins?? My calculator says this would be charging at about 85 amps. Which charge station delivers that kind of current?? What if two trucks turn up to the same charge station and start going for it? Does the local grid go down just like lights in the movie Lampoons Christmas?

  • @keiondrenewell2894
    @keiondrenewell28942 жыл бұрын

    I have a question what Tesla use for breaking I mean the breaks might get too hot when going down hills so do Tesla has a motor system or what. And also do they start making hybrid trucks

  • @miles-thesleeper-monroe8466
    @miles-thesleeper-monroe84662 жыл бұрын

    All you have to decide is where the originating energy comes from

  • @paulseward3161

    @paulseward3161

    2 жыл бұрын

    Now we just have to find a source of magic free electricity to charge and manufacture the stupid batteries. Perhaps we could burn unicorn poop?

  • @004Black

    @004Black

    2 жыл бұрын

    Why do EV enthusiasts insist on breezing past the major impediments to going all green: The fact that minerals necessary for battery production require massive amounts of fossil fuels to mine and transport them and that surface mining of certain minerals destroy forested lands?

  • @ajhallmark95

    @ajhallmark95

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@004Black ignorance is bliss.

  • @heyokaikaggen6288

    @heyokaikaggen6288

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@004Black Given the share price increases in rare earth minerals, I would suggest that some people are all-too-keenly aware of the realities of the sector...

  • @peterroberts2952

    @peterroberts2952

    2 жыл бұрын

    The sun. Solar powered Megacharging. Tesla technology.

  • @RetroTinkerer
    @RetroTinkerer2 жыл бұрын

    Hello, I tough that one of the biggest issues with electric towing vehicles is that your battery is stealing payload capacity and you didn't mention it at all what gives in the total cost of operations you are taking in account that you will need more trucks to deliver the same weight?

  • @stever7120
    @stever71202 жыл бұрын

    A topic that I wonder about is the implementation of the grid system we are going to require to support this transition to non-ICEs. Considering the amount of energy produced each day by the fuel based economy can any of the current grid systems cope as suppling 1MW chargers, as it would not take a great number of these before they quickly saturate the system. I think part of the solution will be to charge these vehicles during the night when grids are running at a minimum. Only problem with this is a lot of lorries travel during this time to avoid heavier traffic.

  • @murdechoc
    @murdechoc Жыл бұрын

    what I think could be a good idea if possible is to put extra battery packs in the containers and charge them at the docks, cause the trucks often leave trailers at warehouses and pick it up after it's unloaded or loaded so it would avoid trucks from waiting to recharge. The only thing is it would need way more security for these super expensive trailers.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @traviswatson6527
    @traviswatson65272 жыл бұрын

    For some use cases you can put the battery in the trailer. The trailer battery can recharge while it’s at the dock

  • @donnamarie3617

    @donnamarie3617

    2 жыл бұрын

    Clever!

  • @juliogonzo2718

    @juliogonzo2718

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well that will sacrifice volume of the trailer, and the more weight you put in, the less weight you can carry. You notice a lot of trucks have aluminum wheels? It's not just for looks. Aluminum wheel is up to 30 lbs lighter. 30×18=540lbs. That's 540lbs more payload capacity as you are limited to a maximum gross weight, and axles have a weight limit for each axle so weight distribution is important as well. You could be within your maximum gross weight, and still overweight on some of your axles and subject to $1000s fines

  • @traviswatson6527

    @traviswatson6527

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@juliogonzo2718 "For some use cases"

  • @BigMateo24

    @BigMateo24

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@traviswatson6527 No one is going to buy these to haul less cargo. Keep dreaming.

  • @traviswatson6527

    @traviswatson6527

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@BigMateo24 why you getting offended? Shit ain’t personal. Not all trucking is the same. Not every load or every trailer is weight capped. Loads of LTL, volume capped, etc. Keep an open mind. Or keep being close minded and stay out of business decision making 😉

  • @dsrtstrmvet9644
    @dsrtstrmvet96442 жыл бұрын

    a cost that you missed is fuel taxes. We already have government running around trying to figure out how to get their pound of flesh from current EV owners, the EV Trucks will also incur this cost and probably more.

  • @willstikken5619

    @willstikken5619

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's only a matter of time until the tax collection gets added into the charging stations the way it is now with fuel pumps.

  • @TobyCostaRica

    @TobyCostaRica

    2 жыл бұрын

    They get you on the registration side. My EVs are $200-$300 more than a regular gas vehicle in California.

  • @mtadams2009

    @mtadams2009

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TobyCostaRica That seems like a drop in the bucket compared to the amount I am charged on a gallon on gas. I will switch to EV but I could not rap my head around owning the Apple of cars. Not a hater but I think you should be able to repair your own vehicle or at least have options. I more than have the skills for this but Tesla says no. As more EVs hit the market this may change.

  • @willstikken5619

    @willstikken5619

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TobyCostaRica i wouldnt expect that to stay that way once the government realizes how much theyre missing. I think its the lack of standardization that has shielded owners from beign charged ast the point of charge to this point. It woudl be trivial to make even home chargers payment collection centers above and beyond the cost of the electricity. i'd still expect the extra registration fees though. Especially in CA.

  • @TobyCostaRica

    @TobyCostaRica

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@willstikken5619 I’m sure in a few years, now they’re giving checks out to go electric. My last vehicle was Fuel cell and CA gave me $5000 and carpool for the lease. Toyota provided 15k for fuel since to go 250 miles cost about $80 in H2

  • @brianlittle717
    @brianlittle7172 жыл бұрын

    I have an idea for electric semis. Put the batteries in the tractor but put another battery in the trailer. The trailer battery can give you more range, but the real benefit is when you drop your trailer and pick up another one. You wouldn’t have to wait to charge it because it would be hot when you pick it up. They can charge the trailer when they’re loading/unloading it at the dock or when it’s in the yard.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @brianlittle717

    @brianlittle717

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bygrace3455 there ya go! Or we could build all of our roads in electro magnetic fields and we could drive through them! I’ll bet that we wouldn’t have to rely on power plants anymore. Just get enough people driving through electro magnetic fields and we solve the whole problem!

  • @stevelamb3631
    @stevelamb36312 жыл бұрын

    I’m noticing a lot of talk about Cars, Pick-up Trucks and Simi-trucks for EVs. I drive a Service Tuck (F250-350 with Service body) and there seems to be no or limited talks about that. Any insights?

  • @binmanblog
    @binmanblog2 жыл бұрын

    No mention of payload. What is the unladen weight of the truck and will it reduce the carrying capacity?

  • @chasehutchison1764

    @chasehutchison1764

    2 жыл бұрын

    trucks can only carry 80000 pounds without a permit that’s the truck, trailer and load they cannot afford a 10000 pound battery pack ( i don’t know the exact figures but consider that my uneducated guess on the weight of battery’s 😂) but a tesla car weighs around 7-8 thousand pounds while a f-150 weighs about 5000 crazy right? that’s because battery’s are heavy asf these trucks want to cut the weight of there trucks already as much as possible not to mention the range issue these trucks have and the to my knowledge unknown effect towing heavy loads has on battery life

  • @mts982
    @mts9822 жыл бұрын

    is the range with full loads or empty?

  • @fridgemagnet9831

    @fridgemagnet9831

    2 жыл бұрын

    Full of air bro.

  • @dragonrider269
    @dragonrider2692 жыл бұрын

    if you want to make electric semis the future of transportation, you must first make electric railroads. if the rail road can be operated with out a battery it can transport the bulk of the produce to distribution centers in major municipalities. Transportation to suburbs or rural areas would be done with the battery powered semi. lower energy consumption in the battery powered semi would be less worrisome and cost effective to not preform. The persisting problem would be the rate of charge, but as time goes on that will easily be improved and would burden the consumer less in the end.

  • @johnhorner5711

    @johnhorner5711

    2 жыл бұрын

    We would be well served by having more freight on rails instead of the roads for many reasons, including this.

  • @joerivas9847

    @joerivas9847

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@johnhorner5711 Perhaps, but not every little town or even modest sized city has a rail spur. Still going to need trucks to haul away cattle , produce, etc.

  • @caseyford3368
    @caseyford33682 жыл бұрын

    Still have the solar and plug in option for emergencies, but even then there are portable kinetic generators that would assist as well.😎👍🌎

  • @DIYCoastie
    @DIYCoastie2 жыл бұрын

    What about natural gas? Hyliion has the ERX which is also suppose to be delivered in 2022. Natural gas currently has the infrastructure to deal with demand, and the batteries can be recharged in 8 minutes with Hyliion’s battery design. I would add them to the running between hydrogen and full electric.

  • @johnabuick

    @johnabuick

    2 жыл бұрын

    Filling up semi's with NG is a non starter.

  • @bali208
    @bali2082 жыл бұрын

    Please make a video on o2 tidal energy device which has 4 times power than conventional wind turbine. Much needed at this point!!

  • @UndecidedMF

    @UndecidedMF

    2 жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @MDP1702

    @MDP1702

    2 жыл бұрын

    From what I found it is actually almost half the power of a new conventional onshore wind turbine and around 3 times lower than offshore wind turbines. Sure, their peak power is higher (2-3 times), however considering their average power is said to be 4 times lower than their peak power, this peak power is likely almost never used and mostly a sales pitch. Still very interesting though, I wonder what the necessary requirements are for placing them/what area's they can operate in.

  • @weldonyoung1013

    @weldonyoung1013

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MDP1702 , they are not using the same design here in the Bay Of Fundy (North America, Canada, between Nova Scotia & New Brunswick) but the change in tidal forces are destroying the test equipment.

  • @madalex300
    @madalex3002 жыл бұрын

    Great video! When calculating the cost of operation, how is road tax being calculated? Each state adds the expense into the fuel at the pump and it becomes a large number regarding cost of operation. I personally don’t know those numbers but I know it to be a factor.

  • @friedline1805

    @friedline1805

    2 жыл бұрын

    The heavy vehicle road tax is paid as a 2290 tax form and costs ~$600/year. Its negligible in calculating operations cost

  • @enemyofthestatewearein7945

    @enemyofthestatewearein7945

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@friedline1805 You obviously don't live in Europe, whole different world over here! Fuel tax is a very good question, because it gives European states a big opportunity to adjust fuel prices as they wish to promote adoption of EV or Hydrogen. Just look at the UK diesel prices in the presentation.

  • @friedline1805

    @friedline1805

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@enemyofthestatewearein7945 You obviously didn't read his question.... He is speaking of a heavy vehicle road tax and not fuel

  • @powrguy1696

    @powrguy1696

    2 жыл бұрын

    As in all things, this will be an excuse for MORE taxation.

  • @florenciovela7570
    @florenciovela75702 жыл бұрын

    beautiful, i've have suggested to add Solar on electric airplanes cars, trucks buses trains just about everything everywhere electricity is used & needed. The sun is stronger up in the sky when/where there are NO clouds.

  • @jameswilliamjohnson
    @jameswilliamjohnson2 жыл бұрын

    What hasn't been discussed much is the enormous amount of extra renewable electricity needed to replace gasoline and diesel usage.

  • @jimjones9100

    @jimjones9100

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wholeheartedly agree -- what is base power for the charger systems if the solar don't shine & wind doesn't blow ? if the renewable storage capacities aren't adequate? anyone read about the Glasgow power issues bringing back coal plants on line since the wind didn't blow? - every time the EVs are promoted all conveniently omitted,

  • @calebweldon8102

    @calebweldon8102

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jimjones9100 that’s okay, as long as baseload is mostly renewable it’s fine if coal or gas plants are used for peaking

  • @jimjones9100

    @jimjones9100

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@calebweldon8102 Thx for followup - but not ok if the activists momentum is to ELIMINATE fossil fuels. Where does your reply then sit? With all the modelling in the Covid area how is it that the climate change promoters have not supplied modelling on availability & costs for2030,2035,2050 energy /electricity supply when fossil fuels are ELIMINATED? MOST curious question is why haven't we asked for them?

  • @powrguy1696

    @powrguy1696

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jimjones9100 Just do as you're told, peasant.....

  • @anthonyballog8026

    @anthonyballog8026

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jimjones9100 this reminds me of something I seen on tictok. A guy pulled out a generator from his tesla car.

  • @fargom54
    @fargom542 жыл бұрын

    Matt:. Thanks. This is the first brand comparison with weights included. Very nice.

  • @UndecidedMF

    @UndecidedMF

    2 жыл бұрын

    👍 Thanks.

  • @caseyford3368
    @caseyford33682 жыл бұрын

    Utilize the kinetic energy from the movement of the tires and or axle. You'd have more than enough energy and everyone would be feeding back into the power grid.

  • @caseyford3368

    @caseyford3368

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rogerstarkey5390 check your definitions of energy.

  • @caseyford3368

    @caseyford3368

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rogerstarkey5390 perpetual motion is the action happening. Not the energy produced.

  • @Way2Death
    @Way2Death2 жыл бұрын

    It's crazy to know that in the US drivers are allowed to do 11h a day. In Germany for safety reasons we have a maximum driving time of 9h (exceptions for 10h are possible from time to time) And after 4.5 h you have to do a 45min break. Electric trucks are a perfect fit for German regulations. Makes you wonder why they don't release them here first. 😕

  • @synura8086

    @synura8086

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's already happened. For example, MAN put the eTGM (200 km range for urban use) on the road in 2019. The video focusses a lot on Tesla and on the US perspective, but Volkswagen is building them already.

  • @TheFusionElement

    @TheFusionElement

    2 жыл бұрын

    U.S. is much larger, we need more time to get to locations in a timely matter.

  • @boostav

    @boostav

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@synura8086 Because short range trucking is not an issue, anybody can make those.

  • @rward75

    @rward75

    2 жыл бұрын

    Here in the US, we must do a 30 minute break after 8 hours of driving, and as he mentioned we get a total of 11 hours to drive. We can be on duty or driving for a total of 14 hours in a day, then we’re required to take a 10 hour break.

  • @juliogonzo2718

    @juliogonzo2718

    2 жыл бұрын

    Canada allows 13hrs driving

  • @Lolo-uk4rb
    @Lolo-uk4rb2 жыл бұрын

    11:40 Umicore and Anglo American are working on a organic hydrogen carrier liquid. This would mitigate the need to invest heavily into a new hydrogen infrastructure, because we could use the existing petrol station infrastructures. And you don't have the usual hydrogen storage problems. (I'm sorry if I made typos. English isn't my native language)

  • @cortburris9526

    @cortburris9526

    2 жыл бұрын

    after reading a few vague google results it sounds like they're bonding hydrogen to an "organic liquid" so some other organic molecule ( one containing H, C, N, or O) then de-hydrogenating it with a process similar to the one shown at: 10:54 and using said hydrogen to power a hydrogen fuel cell to produce electricity. I wonder what the 'organic liquid' is, and what it's going to have as a reaction byproduct. Hydrocarbon and CO2? Hydrogen Peroxide and H2O?

  • @Lolo-uk4rb

    @Lolo-uk4rb

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@cortburris9526 The organic carrier won't really participate in any reaction because it only carries the H+ to the catalytic dehydrogenation. When dehydrogenated the carriers is conjugated (it has unsaturated bonds). This gives "space" for H+ to bind with the carrier once they hydrogenate it again. So in theorie if you catch the carrier after dehydrogenation at fuel station for example, the industry can regenerate it with H+ and bring it back to the fuel station. (I'm sorry if some terms are weirdly translated 😅, I don't know all the terms in english) Post edit: shortened the text 😅

  • @chrismuir8403

    @chrismuir8403

    2 жыл бұрын

    That would solve the hydrogen storage problem, but it would make an already expensive fuel even more expensive, and it would add a lot of weight. So, it creates more problems than it solves, rather like hydrogen.

  • @Lolo-uk4rb

    @Lolo-uk4rb

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chrismuir8403 well it wouldn't necessarily make it more expensive, but that depends strongly on the used technology and the economic policy (I don't know if that's the correct english term 😅) of the country where it would be used. Yes yes. The weight of the fuel would be higher, but you can use existing pipelines instead of specialised cooled high pressure vessels. Once at the fuel station it can be converted to the classic Hydrogen fuel. It's true that hydrogen still has drawbacks. But every advance like this makes it more and more viable as a sustainable alternative fuel for heavyweight transport and other uses. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think leaving hydrogen, or other alternative fuels/energies, behind would be a good thing to do. Or maybe I'm too optimistic ? 😅 (I'm sorry my texts are so long 😱)

  • @tomgreene7942

    @tomgreene7942

    2 жыл бұрын

    L - You don't need to apologize for bad spelling, grammar or being long winded. We English speakers are used to people from many countries trying to speak, and write, so we are used to it, it's no big deal! Yes, there will be rude people that will point out your mistakes, but you don't have to read their remarks, and if we think you write too many words, we don't have to read them either.

  • @darthhodges
    @darthhodges Жыл бұрын

    Regarding the daily potential of a long haul electric vehicle remember that the rules (daily hours limit, etc.) only apply to those who choose to be subject to them. Independant owner/operators will no doubt want more range if they're being paid by the load and even corporate drivers who get paid by the mile will flout the rules if the company doesn't enforce it on them. There were several times as a school bus driver my total hours driving exceeded 11 between daily route, midday field trips, and after hours sports trips. These kind of electric vehicles will, therefore, be normal among local delivery and short distance routes long before they become common for long haul trucking.

  • @jeice13
    @jeice132 жыл бұрын

    Considering the charge times you meantioned it seems like they are easily losing 1/3 of their driving time (though some of these breaks can be used for stuff like eating). Even if this drops by half that is still not going to be viewed favourably

  • @Ja_Mes

    @Ja_Mes

    Жыл бұрын

    Hey bud, they can only drive 12 hours a day anyway. 12 * 65 mph = 780 miles. If they get that much range and enough charging stations it’ll be fine.

  • @jeice13

    @jeice13

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Ja_Mes batteries add weight so either you need to reduce ratio of cargo to engine and fuel or stop to charge during the day which does count towards that 12 hour limit. Thats one of the major differences between combustion and electric vehicles, gas weight is relatively insignificant but requires an engine capable of turning it into useful acceleration so their isnt much downside to whatever range you pick whereas electric can use a simpler engine because of the versatility of electricity but gains weight fast when you add range

  • @dominiquejeannin4510
    @dominiquejeannin45102 жыл бұрын

    You have such good presentation, and damn, I feel smarter after watching you. 😜 Love your videos, keep it up.

  • @peteanddrake4242

    @peteanddrake4242

    2 жыл бұрын

    he sure sounds smart---but he's presenting a false case. He breaks down diesel costs, but never tells you about the slave labor-fueled alkaline mines in Chile where toxic battery components come from. Nor does he explain how such toxic chemicals will be disposed of at end of life. Also--is alkaline any less finite than oil? There are far less chemicals available in the earth to make batteries than there is oil. Slave labor, mimited resources and toxic battery disposal? THIS is clean energy?

  • @84603

    @84603

    2 жыл бұрын

    My concern is the disposal of batteries, Nevada has become an electric battery dump site/state. Currently one company is recycling the batteries but they can't keep up and they are not making a profit

  • @Jnshaw81
    @Jnshaw812 жыл бұрын

    Any love for Hyliion Matt? Great content and production as always!

  • @douglasdangelo6755
    @douglasdangelo6755 Жыл бұрын

    Fun fact. A new state of the art natural gas plant has opened in my hometown. The plant has 4 boilers with a total capacity of 346 megawatts. This means if just 2 Tesla semis fast charge at the same time anywhere in the footprint of that power plant then they would be loading a total of 1 percent of the grid. This is just 2 trucks in a town of more than 60000 homes.

  • @knightshousegames
    @knightshousegames2 жыл бұрын

    Where I think this tech could really be a winner: Buses. School buses don't need massive range, or even highway speeds, but as it stands now run the same big diesel engines the big trucks run I could easily see the next generation of school buses, and perhaps even public transit buses going electric with the tech being developed for these trucks.

  • @tuc-dh4df
    @tuc-dh4df2 жыл бұрын

    UK gallon is larger than US, if you are converting litres to UK gallons its approx 4.54 litres per gallon. Great video.

  • @richardwee9428

    @richardwee9428

    2 жыл бұрын

    He converted liters to gallon.

  • @tuc-dh4df

    @tuc-dh4df

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@richardwee9428 Imperial gallons?

  • @richardwee9428

    @richardwee9428

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tuc-dh4df US gallons he wanted to compare apples to apples.

  • @tuc-dh4df

    @tuc-dh4df

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@richardwee9428 Then why compare US prices to GB prices, not criticizing just getting things clear!

  • @richardwee9428

    @richardwee9428

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tuc-dh4df He was showing the fuel costs . He started with the US gallon to show the fuel cost in the US then showed how much that cost would be in GB, he did so by converting liters to gallons to show the price in US gallon. That is he was comparing like to like.

  • @TimLongson
    @TimLongson2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for including the UK as well as USA data, we really appreciate it. :)

  • @nickclarkuk

    @nickclarkuk

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah higher fuel costs here and lower distances I can see giving a big advantage to ev trucks when the infrastructure is available

  • @TimLongson

    @TimLongson

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes we get ripped off in the UK. We pay well over TWICE the petrol costs, and even though £1 = $1.49 we pay the same in pounds that they pay in dollars in the USA! So a $1,000 piece of tech should only cost £718 - so why do we get charged £1,000!?!?!?! Don't get me wrong, I am all for switching to a 100% renewable energy sources, and scrapping all fossil fuels, but when are we going to say "Hey, stop ripping us off with tech prices in the UK!"

  • @pollywoodglobal2965

    @pollywoodglobal2965

    2 жыл бұрын

    all my american friends are ready to jump to metric i told they already have it and they are say they need a critical mass

  • @TimLongson

    @TimLongson

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@pollywoodglobal2965 I find it funny because imperial (inches) has no real way of measuring especially small things, like nanometres and micrometres (or the liquid equivalents of nanolitres or microliters), and they are terrible for even things as big as millimetres (or millilitres), so places which "don't do metric" don't seem to even notice when they use these measurements in technology or in any area where high accuracy is vital. I must admit, when it comes to long distances I tend to think in miles, but that's because I was bought up being taught both imperial and metric, and whilst metric makes more sense and is far more accurate, in the UK all speed limits are in miles per hour, and distances given default to miles. But there is ZERO excuse for Fahrenheit to still exist - come on people, its an outdated system that was GUESSED on blood temperatures, which even by its own standards is wrong! Centigrade is based on water which plays a massive part of things like our weather (0 degrees C = freezing [turns solid], 100 degrees C = boiling [turns into gas]), so make the effort to start thinking in Centigrade, and stop teaching children inaccurate systems. :)

  • @nickclarkuk

    @nickclarkuk

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TimLongson paying extra for fossil fuels is the best way to modify behaviour . People care more about their bank balance than protecting the environment. The Americans would all be driving more efficient cars if they cost more to fuel . Tax the stuff you want to discourage , tax breaks for electric and renewables .

  • @joeyjojojr.shabadoo915
    @joeyjojojr.shabadoo9152 жыл бұрын

    The one thing to remember for Semi Electrics is that in a Diesel unit, Engine (ie. 'Jake') Braking is completely wasted engine cycles, whereas a proper implementation of ReGen braking done through the engine (reverse load generating) as well as the braking system will (should?) return a decent amount of energy back into the system, especially for those that drive up/down Mountain passes. No energy will be wasted as heat when bringing these monsters to a stop, unlike current trucks.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @xTehCtrl
    @xTehCtrl Жыл бұрын

    The end of the video is exactly the reason why hyliion trucks, utilizing CNG and RNG (net carbon negative), are by far the best solution for the class 8 trucking market. TCO, range (1000 miles), as well as the fact that the infrastructure is already in place for natural gas makes it to be the best solution by far. Hyliion will be a major player in the space mark my words.

  • @cienciabit
    @cienciabit2 жыл бұрын

    Bright future, until the next Carrington Event. We need also a revolution in power lines.

  • @UndecidedMF

    @UndecidedMF

    2 жыл бұрын

    There’s a lot we have to upgrade and work on for sure.

  • @anydaynow01

    @anydaynow01

    2 жыл бұрын

    And power production, how is charging all these vehicles at night on a renewable grid suppose to work without efficient and economic energy storage. Without a carbon free base load like new nuclear or geothermal (which both have their limitations) this will be a tough ask.

  • @sudeeptaghosh

    @sudeeptaghosh

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@anydaynow01 I have solution for that .. a Global grid..a high voltage DC intercontinental grid to transfer renewable energy from Asia to Europe to USA..so when Australia has day it will send power to the countries in night and vice versa ..already most countries has a grid now they need to connect over international borders and make money ..feasible ? day dream?

  • @billwedeking7831

    @billwedeking7831

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed. Tesla Power Packs are going to be mass produced soon, with wireless power transmission as part of the package, gradually replacing the grid.

  • @dewiz9596

    @dewiz9596

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@anydaynow01 : I just received a notice of electrical sources here in Ontario, Canada. . . 56% nuclear, 23% Hydro Electric. The only fossil fuel, Natural Gas, accounts for about 6.3%.

  • @glennjones1054
    @glennjones10542 жыл бұрын

    Regenerative braking is going to be a significant cost savings with not having to replace bake components.

  • @Daddo22

    @Daddo22

    2 жыл бұрын

    Diesel semi trucks use engine breaking instead of breaks, when going down a hill and some trucks even have a retarder installed... They're not burning any diesel when going down a hill, but unlike BEVs, they aren't getting anything back from it either.

  • @glennjones1054

    @glennjones1054

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Daddo22 Yes I understand the brake retarder/engine braking features because I used to drive heavy trucks for a living. You're not allowed to use those within city limits due to the noise of the revving engine and most of the braking occurs while city driving. Another big plus will be no more shifting.

  • @Daddo22

    @Daddo22

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@glennjones1054 thanks, I didn't know that from my limited experience just playing EuroTruck Sim... Now I see that the regen braking is even bigger deal for semis than I realized

  • @jayfromaz

    @jayfromaz

    2 жыл бұрын

    Would you break that much when traveling long distances? One of the problems with the electric cars is that they get better mileage in town because there's lots more breaking and less mileage on the road because you don't use the regenerative braking very much. And also what about the weight capacity. I thought this video would talk more about the mileage and weight factors.

  • @ValleyOfWillows
    @ValleyOfWillows2 жыл бұрын

    Maybe a dumb idea but wouldn't installing powergenerating devices on the electric semi make it more efficient? Like wind turbines that are activated when driving, or even a system inside the wheels, or solar panels on the roof of the trailer they are towing?

  • @joecummings1260

    @joecummings1260

    2 жыл бұрын

    Look to the first and second laws of thermodynamics,and you will realize what you were proposing is not possible

  • @scott5747
    @scott57472 жыл бұрын

    Just changing the oil in a big rig can cost thousands per year. Down-time is one of the costliest for owner/operators.

  • @Evan_Rodgers
    @Evan_Rodgers2 жыл бұрын

    We are 3-5 years away from a technological paradigm shift. Compute power and battery storage will make this the roaring 20s.

  • @alaskanbullworm1632

    @alaskanbullworm1632

    2 жыл бұрын

    Meh computing power has began to flatline

  • @russianprussian4683

    @russianprussian4683

    2 жыл бұрын

    Battery storage is the bottleneck right now lithium ion and cobalt batteries are peak technology right now and inefficient at storing and releasing energy in a timely manner, long recharge times and a finite amount of resources to make them, Musk needs to stop screwing around with cars and rockets and get on perfecting graphene batteries

  • @Evan_Rodgers

    @Evan_Rodgers

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@russianprussian4683 I reckon we are 4-5 from the resolving the fundamental challenges to advanced material batteries (graphene, solid state, nuclear diamond) and mass production of batteries with energy densities 5X lithium within a decade.

  • @ne2i

    @ne2i

    2 жыл бұрын

    You know what happened after the roaring 20's....

  • @cletussamboy8650

    @cletussamboy8650

    2 жыл бұрын

    A shortage of silver and rare earth minerals will make this "paradigm shift" only possible on paper.

  • @z4zuse
    @z4zuse2 жыл бұрын

    Introducing the third option (hydrogen) after comparing the costs of diesel and BEV makes it difficult to compare all three. The price of hydrogen is significant.

  • @JillesvanGurp

    @JillesvanGurp

    2 жыл бұрын

    You need about 3-4x the kwh to produce the equivalent in hydrogen power if you use green hydro. So, whatever the cost of energy is to charge a battery truck times 3x is sort of the lower end of that spectrum. At the prices cited, that would be more expensive than diesel. Of course you would not use grid electricity for either. So it may not matter as much in the end considering electricity may end up costing a fraction of that. At that point other cost dominate the operational cost.

  • @heyhoe168

    @heyhoe168

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JillesvanGurp dont forget gas leaks. It is insanely hard to contain Hydrogen an it is insanely dangerous if it leaks in the closed space.

  • @johnhempstead3074
    @johnhempstead30742 жыл бұрын

    Has anyone shared the cost of replacement batteries for the semi's and how long they last.

  • @mavrickdraft
    @mavrickdraft Жыл бұрын

    Although it's important that you consult an experienced transportation provider before moving overweight freight, you can expect to be allowed 22,000 pounds per axle (44,000 total) for these loads in the majority of states.

  • @HeavyMetalEngines
    @HeavyMetalEngines2 жыл бұрын

    Hyliion's Hypertruck ERX will be a huge success. When fueled with renewable natural gas it can deliver net-negative carbon emissions.

  • @lusosaylor
    @lusosaylor2 жыл бұрын

    You have to check e-hiways videos... they exist in Germany and Sweden...they are cheap to implement and efficient charging while driving...the electric trucks have pantographs in their roofs to full charge while running under electric lines cantenary with 800 volts similar to trains... that's the future! 500kw battery with pantographs... always fully charged to run on suburban roads

  • @hokitika4888

    @hokitika4888

    2 жыл бұрын

    yes this is the way we can have electric trucks

  • @Gengh13

    @Gengh13

    2 жыл бұрын

    Could be viable, maybe not as elegant but definitely a good solution.

  • @lusosaylor

    @lusosaylor

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Gengh13 hiways are always ugly anyway... with all that new electric structures, they can improve road lightening and include green solar and wind energy conduit cross country all over European continent between major cities...

  • @legallyfree2955

    @legallyfree2955

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was going to write a comment similar and I agree, I think overhead power supply on key highways and freeways is the way to go, not just for trucks, but for cars and busses as well. Due to the height difference in cars and trucks it may be better to put the power on the ground like a 3rd rail but then you will have issues of idiots (or children) electrocuting themselves so, I don't know.

  • @lusosaylor

    @lusosaylor

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@legallyfree2955 the height of electric road catenary is usually between 5 and 6 metres ...

  • @JimPekarek
    @JimPekarek2 жыл бұрын

    For long-haul trucks, if they can get the charging time down under 2 hours, and the comfortable range over 300 miles, it's totally viable, assuming the mass of the vehicle doesn't eat too far into the payload capacity and charging stations aren't hard to find. You have to take breaks anyway, so driving half your day and then pulling off and grabbing dinner while your truck charges is completely acceptable. Another big part of unavoidable downtime is loading/unloading, so I'd be interested to see what solutions could be had for charging while you wait for your truck to get loaded.

  • @LeprinhaGul
    @LeprinhaGul2 жыл бұрын

    Recharging times can be reduced to about 5 min if you have pre-charged batteries waiting for you and the recharging station. If you automate this process, it can be done in seconds.

  • @fuelinjectedmaniac
    @fuelinjectedmaniac2 жыл бұрын

    The important point about efficiency that I never hear talked about is if that range is with the maximum allowable load for an 18 wheel tractor trailer. Just because its a 500 kWh battery does not mean you are guaranteed the full range and these trucks might not make sense for mountainous or hilly locations.

  • @malcolmnicholls2893
    @malcolmnicholls28932 жыл бұрын

    There is a large tax component in the price of fuel in the U.K. This will have to be added to electric vehicle transport costs. (Or is it in there)?

  • @andrew_koala2974

    @andrew_koala2974

    2 жыл бұрын

    Of course, the large tax is used to continue paying the loans to the Zionist banksters who loaned hundreds of millions for wars that the UK got itself involved in when peace offers by Mr. Hitler was rejected by a bribed and fat drunken politician who forged artwork and passed it off as genuine. Also, there is a great deal of jewelry that needs cleaning and polishing by the ROYAL CROWn - and the amount of polish and booze, vitamins, and a fresh supply of virgin blood for transfusions costs a great deal of money. So the people were made liable for the debt, and their hard labor was promised to the Elite Banksters, so the people have to work two and a half days a week without any compensation whatsoever. After deductions, the people can keep what remains, and the rest will be stolen from them by the back door taxes, duties, fines, penalties, court costs, late payment fees, stamp duties, etc. In the end the hard-working semi-educated illiterate peasants will get to keep F ALL, and will be kept under constant surveillance should they attempt to make a quick pound here or there to buy some fish and chips.

  • @malcolmnicholls2893

    @malcolmnicholls2893

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@andrew_koala2974 Actually, you may have a point!

  • @williamhansen9731
    @williamhansen9731 Жыл бұрын

    Well spoken, one area that I didn’t hear from you is prediction on the cost of electricity. With only a 20-30 cent per mile difference in operating cost it really wouldn’t take much for electricity to reach a par cost or even more. With the greater demand of electricity the cost is sure to go up. Which long term would raise the cost of the electricity in all sectors.

  • @davestagner
    @davestagner Жыл бұрын

    Also fwiw, my sister was a long-haul trucker, doing coast-to-coast shipment of European cars. They actually had two-driver teams, so they could drive closer to 24/7. They would work nonstop for three weeks, then take a week off. That matters with charge times relative to range.

  • @bygrace3455

    @bygrace3455

    Жыл бұрын

    It's proven fact that an electric voltage is generated by a conductor (wiring or metallic rods) passing through a magnetic field (earth's gravity) will generate an electrical voltage. This concept is explained by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction. Just add an array of wiring or rods on top of your truck and trailers and VOLLA! Perpetual motion.

  • @davestagner

    @davestagner

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bygrace3455 I can’t tell if this is snark or just a massive misunderstanding of physics.

  • @darkdeath2529
    @darkdeath25292 жыл бұрын

    It's all fun and games till your battery decides she has to take a sh!!!! 3-7k today, 7-9k tomorrow, and that's for a small car

  • @Karl-Benny

    @Karl-Benny

    2 жыл бұрын

    No different to Gearbox or diff taking a Sh!!! Batteries will come down in price and will last longer History shows this, Diesel always goes up

  • @SpaceMike3
    @SpaceMike32 жыл бұрын

    America needs more trains for long distance hauling. It'd cut out a long of truck haulage

  • @UndecidedMF

    @UndecidedMF

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, but trains will only get you so far. You still need trucks for the final mile(s).

  • @carholic-sz3qv

    @carholic-sz3qv

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@UndecidedMF the trains will significantly increase efficiency and reduce the need of lithium/batteries.

  • @carholic-sz3qv

    @carholic-sz3qv

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@UndecidedMF in many countries around the world they even have trams and trolleybus that doesn't need gigantic batteries to operate.

  • @sigismundsulzheimer5512

    @sigismundsulzheimer5512

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@carholic-sz3qv Efficiency is not increased by trains. Trains are rigid, inflexible and ultimately only profitable for heavy loads, but not for fast, flexible and direct transport. In addition, trains are extremely loud, louder than commercial vehicles with combustion engines, so that noise barriers and even noise protection tunnels have to be built again and again to protect the residents from the noise of the trains.

  • @sigismundsulzheimer5512

    @sigismundsulzheimer5512

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@carholic-sz3qv Let's face it. Separate lanes have to be built for trams and trolly buses. Moreover, trams and trolly buses are extremely vulnerable to unscheduled diversions. Trams and trollies are also not flexible, but can only follow a specific route. Trams and trolly buses lack flexibility - and ultimately, trams in particular are very noisy - even compared to buses with combustion engines.

  • @ThoTruck
    @ThoTruck2 жыл бұрын

    I think you forgot about loadcapacity - how much of the trucks weight is the truck, how much is the cargo?

  • @bobo34
    @bobo342 жыл бұрын

    I donno but cant you have solar pannels on the truck to help with the charge and make it go a little longer? I think u can fit a good number of pannels on the trailer

  • @mansoornodjoumi5979
    @mansoornodjoumi59792 жыл бұрын

    What are your thoughts on Hyllion Matt?

  • @matthewknobel6954
    @matthewknobel69542 жыл бұрын

    I could see a split in battery for local delivery only and H2 for long haul trucks.

  • @Tb0n3

    @Tb0n3

    2 жыл бұрын

    They tried pushing CNG as a fuel source a while back. It was full of problems in fueling due to cryogenic temperatures produced from pressure changes in fueling. Would LH also have that problem?

  • @jakemartin4305
    @jakemartin43052 жыл бұрын

    Love the vid but I've been working in class 8 Diesel repair ( 18 wheeler and trailers) for about 15 years and I can tell you from exp that there is more interest in non fossil fuel systems

  • @worshipingIAM
    @worshipingIAM Жыл бұрын

    What's the price of diesel today here in November of 2022? About 5.5 usd/gallon that almost $85k/year in diesel. What's the savings math now?

  • @iamtheoffenderofall
    @iamtheoffenderofall2 жыл бұрын

    Electric trucks are so good out in the American Southwest, you never see them. Thats cause they dont last out here. The heat will eat that battery up in no time.

  • @danlyons4602

    @danlyons4602

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bingo.

  • @henri1511

    @henri1511

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yup and even worse in winter especially north of the 49th.

  • @markglick5238
    @markglick52382 жыл бұрын

    Matt, you do a very good job of threading the needle! This is a well balanced piece. Keep em coming.

  • @trandel
    @trandel2 жыл бұрын

    Logistics Analyst here (since 1997). Battery vehicles have a very limited scope of use. What people don’t realise is that some vehicles can tow up to 200tons making the Tesla & co options you’ve put out here as virtually useless. We also have a massive problem with infrastructure. The mega chargers will also require massive upgrades to distribution systems. I recently participated in a project that would require a $15billion upgrade in regional Australia to enable BEV trucks to operate. But, that didn’t include the generation implications that would include increasing fossil fuel power station output. So, while EVs are efficient once the power is inside the battery the delivery to the vehicle is extremely inefficient. H2 on the other hand has scaleability and can utilise existing networks. While H2 vehicles for domestic use may see limited adoption H2 makes sense for heavy duty applications including Aircraft and shipping. Remember for every kilo of additional weight (battery) will mean less capacity for the operator which equals less revenue. Not only that but if the vehicles can’t be charged at the maximum then this means more time off the road. This will mean any of those savings you’ve outlined in your video will evaporate extremely quickly. (I forgot to add the repayment on the distribution upgrade at current power prices was 64 years)

  • @danielevans6293
    @danielevans62932 жыл бұрын

    Is it possible to levitate the trucks load with magnets to remove the weight?

  • @samuelbentley6072
    @samuelbentley60722 жыл бұрын

    Where are you getting the power to charge these trucks. And what are you going to do with the old batteries

  • @andrewwilliams9419

    @andrewwilliams9419

    2 жыл бұрын

    shhhhhh

  • @kdungan100

    @kdungan100

    2 жыл бұрын

    It is cheaper to recycle the metals in an old battery than to mine and refine new metal. In other words, all old truck batteries will be recycled.

  • @jeffdana301

    @jeffdana301

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kdungan100 At what cost of a new battery pack for the truck?? So they are recycled but then you have to buy another $50k (or way more) battery? C'mon man! Joe Biden lingo there.

  • @johntowers1213

    @johntowers1213

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kdungan100 Then why are only 5% of used EV's currently recycled ? its sad to say but it is still far...far cheaper to mine and refine these units than recycle...if that were not the case we'd not be land filling them at the rate like we currently are.. that may all change....but right now were just landfilling a problem for another generation to deal with..

  • @beaumob

    @beaumob

    2 жыл бұрын

    Get educated, jezus. Answer to your first question: Renewable energy, probably solar. Next, I simply 'googled 'recycle tesla batteries' and this popped up along with a bunch of ADs trying to turn me into a recycler. The mere FACT that someone is running ads for recycling batteries tells me there is a 'market' for recycling these batteries and it's apparently very robust. Good O'' American ingenuity! medium.com/tradr/teslas-approach-to-recycling-is-the-way-of-the-future-for-sustainable-production-5af99b62aa0e Apparently Tesla built their batteries with recycling in mind. Smart. You unchangeable old folks can stop poo-pooing the future now. You're starting to look like a bunch of geezers demanding more whale-oil.

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