The upgrade videos are great because we get to see what the speakers are actually made of.

I appreciate them and the work that goes into the effort. It also provides a learning opportunity.

As always the process of collecting data, analysis, and designing crossovers for improved sound and not just to fill a price point objective is most interesting. Keep sending these projects our way.

Thanks for what you do.

love the upgrade videos, keep going

Thanks for sharing all this inside!

Thanks for the video, nice to see what corners are cut that reduces sound quality. I don't have those issues because the X-statiks didn't have cost compromises in sound quality. I found another direct to consumer small manufacturer that builds amps on demand. They are Acustic Invader out of Serbia and have similar quality goals with a softer price shock. I think AV amps should be worthy of the impressive X-statiks.

Hi all. First time commenting here. Mr. Richie states what (I think) many loudspeaker manufacturers actually do, they are forced to build to a design budget. Few manufacturers have the opportunity to build without these design budgets. Traditional business models suggest that perhaps 15% of the MSRP is the "real cost". Out of the remaining 85%, engineering costs, operatinal financing costs, etc. Freight charges can also be significant, in some cases as much as 50%. Manufacturers often end up with less than 10%. Danny should include freight charges to the end user in his kits to compare the upgrades more fairly. At the manufacturing level these sort of upgrades would not cost much, but they have to take their costs and mark them all up. Everything Danny does makes sense. Better parts are better. They need not be stupidly expensive (as he points out he often uses Dayton Audio parts via Parts Express). Removing any and all magnetic (ferrous) components, screws, etc is a way to begin improving or modifying a loudspeaker. Better inductors are as well. Simply removing iron core inductors from the crossovers, replacing them with air core types such as toroids, and improving the tolerances and type of passive components would take care of most of the remaining issues. The addition of a damping material (such as No-rez, or others) can help with mechanical noise in the enclosures. How much and of what type of acoustic batting can help as well. Danny continues to work on these modification projects and videos as a service to the audiophile community. They provide some insight into the sacrifices manufacturers must make to maintain profitability. I'm sure almost every manufacturer could benefit from developing their own upgrade paths, but in many cases it might be considered to be admitting their products can be improved upon. Thanks Danny

With the " Before and After" measurements. The frequency response is flatter but the speakers dropped almost 5DB and thus making them alot harder to drive.

@st170ish

Жыл бұрын

you can't add what's not there only subtract, not really harder to drive a little easier bringing that impedance up a bit, yes slightly more watts to achieve the same Db but much smoother... watts are cheap nowdays. 😀

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

Actually, at 2kHz to 4kHZ the sensitivity only dropped about 1db and the rest has been brought down to match it. The slightly higher impedance demands less current from the amp and makes them easier to drive.

It would fun to hear the before and after.

Thanks for a great video

My Focal 806v speakers have been greatly improved by replacing the electolytics, and iron core inductors. I now have a Dayton Audio omnimic and and plan to do some more tweaking

@Clayphish

5 ай бұрын

Any other improvements since changing the electronics?

@arfer1470

5 ай бұрын

@@Clayphish not had time unfortunately, on my list of things to do, just been enjoying listening 😀

As long as Randy is alive any speaker will need his approval and upgrades. Audio dies and lives with Randy. I might have got his name wrong. I feel I did. I do like this guy but the self assurance, importance, grandeur and pedestalizing is legendary.

huge improvement overall but especially the vertical axis looks pretty dang impressive now, nice job done as usually, big props to you wise man

I owned a pair of these when they were new. This confirms what I heard with the grills on and off.

Thanks for the review. It is great to see that much improvement in a fairly well liked speaker. Cheese is OK on pizza , but not in speakers! Had to throw some Italian in there to spice it up.

I bought these speakers in 2004ish branded Jm labs. As an early venture into higher end stuff (for me at the time) they served me well for while. I ask the dealer why the window was in the back and he said to show where the magic is, lol. They are still around here in the boxes somewhere. Maybe they need an upgrade for a garage system.

@Openeyesopenheart42

Жыл бұрын

You will certainly spend more time i the garage if these were set up and rocking , what a vertical response!!! Awesome for the garage where walking around /standing is the norm.

@pliedtka

Жыл бұрын

Seriously this is a great improvement over the stock spkrs. I did a few Focal kits in the past before they pulled out their drivers from regular distribution and they're very decent spkrs. Wilson used Focal and Scan Speak drivers in their products.

@Openeyesopenheart42

Жыл бұрын

@pliedtka I built a pair of speakers with the focal poly Kevlar 6 inch drivers 6k4411 I think with peerless concentric tweeters. They truly punch hard, nice energetic speakers. I still have them in a second system and love them.

I think upgrades are interesting. Shows what your good parts and engineering can do.

keep em a coming.

such moments I wish I would live in US so I could send my Sopra 2 in a nutshell. Danny you rock

I bet the crossover is similar to the one in the Aria 926. Are the woofers wired out of phase?

Guys, you cant even imagine what this does to a speaker. The smoothness becomes out of this world, honey pours out. Try nice parts, you will never go back. Its that big of a difference.

@abboberg

Жыл бұрын

So true - my B&W CDM-1NT upgrade saw the improvement you describe. Keep in mind that Danny is re-designing the crossover, not just swapping out better parts with the same values.

@Openeyesopenheart42

Жыл бұрын

He is a magician, a true craftsman that understands his trade so incredibly well. Impressed every time I watch one of his videos. Thanks Danny

@kohnfutner9637

Жыл бұрын

There's a lot of variables that go into great audio. I agree good parts will help but I would realize nature will side with the hidden flaw. Murphy's law If the recording is crap or any part of the audio chain is inferior, the signal will suffer. I would advocate decent components but I don't recommend losing your mind with perfection. If you have the money budgeted to spend then by all means indulge yourself. If you have more important needs, I think there's nothing wrong with downsizing the budget a bit. I also think the more you spend the more you expect and when it doesn't measure up or you find the flaw in the system, it's a bigger kick than getting a lower cost system. I've noticed much "high end" gear will have bigger problems, bigger upside but also bigger downside, because they're usually purpose built to do something extremely well. For example, buying a Ferrari won't do great as a daily driver because that's not what it's designed for. I think audio is similar.

@abboberg

Жыл бұрын

@@kohnfutner9637 That's why I've become a fan of pro audio monitors - designed to be flat, and you can adjust them from there. You are not paying for hype and fancy cabinetry, plus you get the amp included, and, sometimes, DSP. Time is money, and getting pro audio monitors will greatly shorten that "audiophile journey". I got a killer deal on Adam Audio S3Vs, which are incredible. Not sure why so few others take this route. Even Adam Audio states on their website that these are good for home listening.

@kohnfutner9637

Жыл бұрын

@@abboberg I'm sure they are good speakers, at least, I've heard about Adam before that they are good. I have had bad luck in the past with powered speakers. Once they go out the whole thing is a paperweight unless you know how to work on this stuff. The best luck I ever had with powered speakers were Sony Sava d900 that lasted probably 20 years but I did have to have the DVD player section worked on while it was under warranty. If an audio brand would get this stuff with simple replaceable amplifier, I would look into powered monitors without question. I love having everything designed to work together like they are designed without having to play guessing games. What makes me laugh is all the arguing over cables risers to "eliminate" vibration and some of the best sound speakers have it build in. Seems like cable risers are snake oil.

I build 2 focal speakers myself with the inverted dome. Great tweeters. Pitty they dont sell their units anymore

Looks like a tower that is going to sonically disappear in room. Nice work Danny.

Excellent

I wish you guys had an upgrade for the Elac DFR52. I'd ship one of mine, but I don't have the factory boxes.

love the 'cheese' window

I love upgrade videos.

I love Danny! Hay-arri-baudi!

Still kicking butt.

How does it compare now with the grill on?

I just bought the Revel Performa f 206 a few minutes ago. When I get them I'm going to be tempted to look at the crossover parts. Danny's videos have me wondering "How much better COULD they be?"

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

We've already designed an upgrade for the stand mounted version in that series. So I have a real good idea what you will find. Don't get your hopes up.

@dextermorgan1

Жыл бұрын

@@dannyrichie9743 I'm not. You've taught me not to! Could I use the parts you've already selected to upgrade the tower?

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

@@dextermorgan1 The smaller one measured pretty well. It just needed some parts upgrades. I am sure you can do the same with the tower.

Dany have you worked on mission speakers and if you did what your option of them and state it in a video

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

I haven't had any of them here on hand, but I have assisted a few guys in upgrading them. So I have seen the insides.

Have you analyzed a JBL 4309? I would love to see that!

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

I heard a pair over at Ron's.

Any DefTech upgrade love? BP10, BP2000…

Impressive clean up of that response. Good work!

I recommend a good blue cheese for sweeter highs 👍

Nice Shirt Danny 👍🏻

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, it was the shirt given out out the Oklahoma Senior Games competition a few weeks ago.

Can you quickly explain about elliptical filters

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

Not quickly or easily, but I can. I might have to shot a video on that.

How do you measure? Do you have a klippel setup?

@dannyrichie9743

9 ай бұрын

We use a Clio measuring system.

I'm a bit surprised that you make a redesign that do not incorporate a baffle step compensation since the original so clearly have it. How do you ensure that you still have a straight frequency response in the room if you remove the baffle step? At what distance do you take measurements?

@pliedtka

Жыл бұрын

Why would think this x-over doesn't have BSC. If you look at FR it's flat from 200 up to 1kHz. Without BSC there would be a 6dB rise from 200Hz to 1kHz. Clearly the x-over in original and GR-R version is designed with BSC to ensure balanced freq response.

@flex-cx9bi

Жыл бұрын

@@pliedtka Depends on what distance you have measured the frequency response. Thats why I ask about it... GR-R version is flatter in the baffle step region so that is why I asked the question. Actually ALL GR-R redesigned loudspeakers are flatter in this region so depending on at what distance they measure ALL of them might reduce or ignore the baffle step.

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

Step loss has been completely compensated for.

Like the teeshirt. Where's it from?

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

It was given to me at the Oklahoma Senior Games a few weeks ago.

please explain next time how to make a elliptical Filter I really could need for some designs

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

I'll cover that in another video.

How old are those? 20-30 years old? What’s the condition of the rubber surrounds?

@The340king

2 ай бұрын

Purchased in January 2009.

Quick question - the only company I've seen that offers parts upgrades from factory direct are Zu Audio and I'm not sure it's on every model - the Dirty Weekend 6 has it. Does any other company else have that? It would be nice to buy a $3,000 speaker without a pound of cheese in the same manner you can get a car with all the bells and whistles and one with almost no extras on it. An audiophile should be able to pick up a speaker with great internal parts for a reasonable price. Companies can't be upcharging the better electronics by 400% in a speaker.

"Doing upgrades is a small part of our business" Yeah, but we should all know it's a big part of your R&D. There's no question that tech manufacturers often spend time and money buying competitors products, testing them, figuring out what's wrong and what can be made better. You get to pick other designer's brains. It's pretty cool that people send you this stuff for free.

yup keep up upgrade videos please

What baffles me is that all these speakers feature in this channel THEY ALL HAVE RAVE REVIEWS before any upgrades.

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes I really have to wonder about some of those reviewers.

Hi Danny can you explain the importance of vertical axis response when most critical listening is done seated on axis? Thank you.

@FOH3663

Жыл бұрын

Good question. Uniformity in the reflected energy, ... vis-à-vis the direct energy, is more subjectively pleasing. Yes, as you noted, ... laterally this uniformity is even more vital. The first sidewall reflection point is of great importance. Hence, in small room acoustics, it's best to either fully absorb, or fully diffuse that first lateral energy. (fully = broadband) Ideally you don't want to alter the spectral balance ... so either absorb it all or diffuse it all. The sound energy up at 1k requires about 3" of depth. 500hz, 6", likewise down at 250hz, needs about 12" of either diffusion depth or porous absorption depth. To affect low enough in frequency requires depth... in both absorption and diffusion. Physically deep and effective. Ideally, it's best if the spectral balance of the first reflected energy isn't altered appreciably.

@olbucky9413

Жыл бұрын

@@FOH3663 I expect I’m missing something so bear with me…in an example where a hypothetical full range ribbon of some lateral curvature and a height greater than the listener’s ears, is directly aimed at the listener, one would want some form of diffusion or absorption on the side walls but it wouldn’t be necessary on the ceiling or floor because there wouldn’t be any energy directed at or reflected from those planes?

@FOH3663

Жыл бұрын

@@olbucky9413 Got it... I'm missed the specificity, apologies. Even more interesting, hadn't given this much prior thought. Certainly a big panel or line type spreading of sources propagates energy forward, w/greater correlation than the time shifted mess bouncing off the ceiling and to the LP. There's still vertical energy propagating, it is however it's time shifted, combing according to freq/wavelength size. Thus, the lower/longer wavelengths sum more coherently, reflecting that energy. So, it's more an issue of low freqs rather than higher freqs. However, there's two additional challenges; 1.) In any room, modal behavior/room resonances are a given. Of those resonances, axial modes (between two boundaries) are dominant. Many residential rooms are plagued with issues associated with an 8 foot (2.44m) height dimension (peaks/dips @70hz, 140hz, 210hz ... etc.) 2.) Nothing good emanates from the ceiling. On the other hand, the pros and cons of sidewall energy can be argued either way... absorption, diffusion, redirection. However, reflected energy off the ceiling possesses no positive attributes. The ceiling to floor component of the room needs to be addressed... for obvious reasons the ceiling is much easier to treat than the floor. So you're right. Regarding the ceiling treatment, the upper freqs aren't the issue. The lower freqs however are, in both incident reflected energy, as well as damping the vertical axial resonances. Damn ... what a good question.

@olbucky9413

Жыл бұрын

@@FOH3663 thanks for playing along with this thought experiment…I expect there would be phase issues with a laterally curved panel as well as the reflected energy to deal with. In the example of a big panel or even a shorter vertically oriented ribbon for that matter, if it were canted back at angle from the lp so that a perpendicular from the top of the panel struck the ceiling behind the listener’s ears, wouldn’t it reduce reflected energy from the floor, and the reflections from the ceiling and wall behind the lp should be similar to hall reverb? It strikes me this why di poles can sound so good when positioned properly. There must be problems with this approach or we would see more designs like this. It just got me thinking about the variety of different approaches we see in well respected speakers from horns, dipoles and focused arrays like the Wilsons and what if any common denominators there are. Intuition can only get me so far!

@FOH3663

Жыл бұрын

@@olbucky9413 Struggled with much of that paragraph, maybe you can elaborate. re; dipoles Of the multiple reasons dipoles sound so good, is primarily the propagation characteristic into the room diminishes the room's acoustic distortions. Modal energy is easily excited, and dissipates slowly... overlaying everything. Dipoles don't energize modal influences like typical monopole sources... free from that obfuscation, bass textural details and clarity are more clearly resolved. (horns, dipole, focused arrays, plus point source, line array, omni, flush-mounted/soffited, ... each platform has it's primary strength, as they're all a balance of compromises.) One's goals guide the way.

Great video. Are there any klipsch that don’t have issues. And what is the best speaker in the 1000.00 to 2000.00 usd range?

Sometimes you wonder if an upgrade makes even sense considering the speaker at hand. That should not be an issue here.

@frankgeeraerts6243

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly my thought !!!!!

Have you considered reworking the crossover on Infinity Kappa 8 or 9 speakers from the late eighties and the later 8,1 and 8.2 series? Now that is a challenge. Those designs are a mess to say the least.

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

I have worked on some of those early Infinity models.

Hysteresis matters. Even hard core (pun intended) objective people recognize how the magnetic core stores and releases its energy.

Hey can you make my 70’s Yamaha NS 1000M sound better?

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

I'd bet I can.

Can ya still use window for new parts?

@cha7260

Жыл бұрын

Probably not. The poly caps and air core inductors replacing the originals will be much larger.

@dandonna852

Жыл бұрын

@@cha7260 thanks

It's amazing these big time speaker designers just don't know what the hell they are doing. Even with great drivers

@KingOath

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they do. It’s all deliberate my friend. Every bit of it. If they all made the best speakers they could, nobody would be able to afford them and they wouldn’t make money selling speakers. Companies make junk on purpose because that’s what most people can afford and that’s where the profit is.

@pliedtka

Жыл бұрын

There's also a House Sound. Most companies design them with some specific sound in mind. Also they have to sell higher priced models, so there is clear difference between them.

Focal Be active speakers measure pretty well and they are cheaper than passive models. Why would passive speakers be more expensive?

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

Those active models have very cheesy amps and parts in them. So they are very bottlenecked. No matter what you drive them with they still sound like they are on a cheap system.

@octilliondollars

Жыл бұрын

Because hifi people will pay more. Simple as that. Generally the passive versions (from other manufacturers) will have a nicer finish.

@impuls60

Жыл бұрын

Large copper coils and caps easily hits 100-200 usd in parts alone and manufactures likes to 7-10x production cost on the sale price. So cheap amps are actually cheaper to make 'cause the parts are way cheaper.

Hi, GR Research, I find your territorials on HIFI equipment very interesting, I have been watching and listening to you for last two or three months partly because I have been rebuilding my transmission line loudspeaker cabinets that I built myself back in the early 80s they are a copy of a plan that was in the magazine they came back from the 70s, I had a big problem a few months ago my Cambridge power decided to throw a wobbly and blew my Twitter, So after doing a bit of research I found a company in the Netherlands that were extremely helpful and they have supplied me with new Woofers and new Tweeters made by SEAS , I have not yet changed any of the components in the crossover unit as I found the cabinets have now seen to come alive, They sound amazing, Have not yet done any equipment test for sound like what you do , Sorry I went off in a different tangent I was going to ask you a question about Focal Cobalt 806 JM LAB cabinets, I picked up a pair secondhand for around about €260 when I plug them in there was definitely a problem with one of the Tweeters, So I decided to take them all apart and have a look and I found that the magnet that was supposed to be in the plastic cage on the back of the tweeter was missing, it was stuck on the Woofer driver And on a closer inspection of the Tweeter The plastic cage that holds the magnet in place had fractured so the magnet I dropped out I have managed to re-locate it and it seems to work, I’ll like to try and find some new Tweeters for it, I have even contacted Focal had no response probably because I cannot speak French, And the company that I’ve been dealing with in the Netherlands said they require the measurements from the Tweeter for they can replace it for me, I have given them the serial number and details of the back of the unit they have tried I have tried but cannot find any details of its response. In your tutorial on this you were mentioning that you used to have their driving lesson do you know what these were supposed to be if so could you give me the information please so I could get some new drive units, this is Tweeters Ref. No TPCJM. SER. No 0103293 . This is the Woofers Ref . No 6W4251 . SER . No 0103306 . Thank you for your help. Kind regards. PHIL FROM THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOULIN FRANCE.

just wow

Fine metal mesh, while it looks like it would be acoustically transparent, is far worse than a metal mesh with larger openings and thinner webbing. Preferably using hexagonal cutouts for maximal opening to support material. It's a shame that these speakers don't look amazing once you take the grill off of them, but if the upper end becomes that peaky with it on then it's a no-brainer what to do.

Wow .... The wise get wiser from the wise and the stupid stay stupid...thank goodness for this channel....I think in the end we will see who knows best and who is looking out for consumers like us... Truth telling hurts sometimes😩

I've never asked for a upgrade

I'm very happy with my Tannoy XT8F towers. When I'm not I'll bring them down myself.

@THX-vp9fz

Жыл бұрын

blowhard^^

I'm loving that shirt Danny.

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, it was the shirt given out out the Oklahoma Senior Games competition a few weeks ago.

@truesouth4784

Жыл бұрын

@@dannyrichie9743 Nice. Electric blue and gold. Champion choice of colours. Hats off to Oklahoma Senior Games committee.

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

@@truesouth4784 Last years shirts were really nice too: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p3iMpZiNm8S3Yag.html

Danny I appreciate your videos but do you think you could do your analyses on the more expensive models? For example a sopra 3 or a scala utopia. That would be really interesting.

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

We just work on whatever is sent in.

@dextermorgan1

Жыл бұрын

Someone would have to send him one first. They don't just have these speakers laying around. These are sent in by customers who want upgrades. Send him one of the models you're talking about and I'm sure he'd love to make a video about it! Lol

@Smood47

Жыл бұрын

@@dannyrichie9743 I guess no one wants to send in expensive speakers.

@dilbyjones

Жыл бұрын

Meh. Lol

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

@@Smood47 The next video out (we already shot it) was on an $8,000 pair of Maggies.

5 min 36 sec...some serious triceps there Danny, so what can you bench these days ?

@dannyrichie9743

9 ай бұрын

When I was younger I benched 280 and weighed in at 170. Now days I never put much weight on the bench. I stop adding weight when I can't bench it 10 times.

@DrBroncanuus

9 ай бұрын

wow 128 kg at only 78 kg truly amazing @@dannyrichie9743

I knew it would start with an 8 .

Wow, the keenly resonant tinkly sound made from lightly tapping finger nails on the grill ...surely could not bode well to most people, even to someone like me who knows next to nothing about speaker design, but good old common sense afrer hearing the grill sing on it's own, yes, I know something about that & am amazed what some designers will sacrifice for aesthetics alone, & if unknowingly so ...they should be in a different field, admin or ploughing.

I'm still not getting it. SOME speaker company SOMEWHERE just HAS to take a chance on either selling a speaker for more money with good parts, or putting good parts inside and making less money per pair but selling more speakers because of the quality. I mean c'mon...video after video ripping all of these speakers because of their "cheesy" parts. And I have to say I am very disappointed in Focal. I'm one of their customers and now I'm wondering what I'm missing with my pair. Shaking my head.

Danny makes this stuff seem so damn easy, I wonder how hard it is for these brands to hire guys like him.

@afrancois1968

Жыл бұрын

Do you really think that companies like Focal don’t have the best of the best in their field working for them? I think they have, after all this company is a giant when it comes to driver manufacturing. They have huge resources. Of course every speaker has its issues and is built to a price point.

@AllboroLCD

Жыл бұрын

@@afrancois1968 The freq response difference due to the metal grill is quite the oversight if you ask me.

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

@@afrancois1968 They clearly have not employed the best in their field, or they wouldn't be cranking out products with obvious problems.

@afrancois1968

Жыл бұрын

@@dannyrichie9743Time to take a look at a real Focal speaker.

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

@@afrancois1968 I have. Even the Utopia line uses Solen or Axon poly caps (budget level poly caps), some iron core inductors, and sand cast resistors (cheesy). Wiring is standard car audio type. heavy gauge stranded copper in PVC (yuck).

So 1/3 cost new…., at very best.. this is perhaps/ likely why Focal build it as it is..👍

@arfer1470

Жыл бұрын

If focal were buying good quality parts in large quantity they wouldn't cost as much as this kit, perhaps 60% or less so maybe the speaker would be 3k not 2.5k, but it would possibly have been worth it.

@tigertiger1699

Жыл бұрын

@@arfer1470 Yeah.. but that’s their profit… , they are building to a price… which is well below what they’re selling to us.. what we think it is.. You can improve on any mass manufactured design.. easily…, not special in the ability to do that and tech/ engineer.. I assert ., if I want a better Focal speaker.. pay more & buy a better model..

@tigertiger1699

Жыл бұрын

@@arfer1470 Lol .. do we think that Focal “manufactures” are doing their all!!!!! taking their design of each model to the end!!! of design/ components etc. No.. they’re a manufacturers.., the see a opportunity for a device/ model in the market, they then refine the design and build it in the most reasonably efficient way.. to make $$$ to pay staff & survive.. As in I beat someone could refine GR research designs.., unless he’s going out business.. he putting in gear to a $ value relative to the speaker & what he thinks people will pay… literally no diff.. As Focal/ Dyn/ etc & GR are not in the business of making Hifi gear… tgeyre in the business of making $ and survival

@tigertiger1699

Жыл бұрын

@@arfer1470 Doing this re engineering is probably relatively easy on lower priced/ price pointed.. products/ ranges.. I’d love to see the outcome of GR doing this process to gear that has .. had a load more $ spent on its production.. like $100k speakers.. with improvements are easy made on that… I imagine the show here is “look at how easy it is to improve this design”… and to me .. as an ex fitter.. I’m not at all surprised

@tigertiger1699

Жыл бұрын

@@arfer1470 Lol.. I actually trying understand what we the punters are expecting or like GR research.. are trying to say… If we think certain brands are bad/ wrong or simply not putting value into their gear.. don’t buy it.. or start a speaker company but ensure that they don’t do the same…, & that goes to GR Research… he more than allow to develop & mass produce.. his own speakers … if what’s out there is .. the horror… If someone wrote an essay.. and I couldn’t improve it after the fact.., then ffs.. and I’m a near remedial reader

It's pretty obvious that the grill is not designed for listening rather protection when not listening.

Danny, hope you like a challenge.....sending you my Magico M9 's for an upgrade...

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

Send them on over.

Time to get a haircut, Sir.

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

Really? I was thinking of growing it out a bit.

a bunch of numbers mean nothing to myself and I find it quite boring...sound quality is what matters​ to me and I'm sure others as well.​⁠

Why not try to upgrade some Celestion Ditton 44 or Celestion Ditton 44 series 2? I'm pretty sure they can do better than the new shitty Clipsh reference series. (And I mean it because I upgraded a pair of Celestion Ditton 44 series 2 and it sounds better than the new Clipsh series).

Not with a $5 In House Crossover.

It's really hard to believe that a company like Focal that builds their own speakers and cabinets would cheap out on a crossover. So next time people when you want to shop for speakers, make sure you bring Danny's graphs with you so you make sure you buy the right speakers. No need to listen.

Customers get their speakers back, and throw them in the trash because they then sound worse than original.

Wow. That response graph looks TERRIBLE.

But why do they do this, don't Focal know this? Their margin is monstrous. Why stinge amd destroy credibility.

Suprer cheesy ! Normal …they’re made in France :-)

I never liked the sound of Focal.

@frankgeeraerts6243

Жыл бұрын

Some like it ............but I don't either......

I cannot understand and i believe these engineers from companies like Focal dont use and know exactly what you talk about, i bevieve they do and leave out these things on purpose reasoning would be if they made them end all speakers less people would buy newer ones after hearing newer models

I wonder how faux-kal speakers might sound in a Shev-row-let instead of Focal speakers in a Chevrolet.

get a genelec or a neuman and you wont need to fix crossovers

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

No, they're just bottlenecked by cheesy amps.

So, I probably won't see this channel again, but in our travels we will with interact with the people involved with this production. The very first product that they produce for the mainstream was pitted against Mr speakers. In my opinion . It was double the cost, but did not sound as good, when they were both connected to the same state of the art and experimental highest level units. Everybody at the Can Jam was totally godsmacked by the product = Over Hyped! I understood at the time that it was marketed as a premium product, but charging $1000+ over Mr Speakers and thee original HD 800s Nooooooooo way!

849 dollars for a speaker upgrade that you are trusting to be better based on a guy who is selling the upgrade, you can't listen to it before hand like you can in a shop or even buying on the used market. What equipment is used to measure these 'upgrades'? Why no lower than 200hz on the frequency chart? Look guys, he is a salesman trying to sell you the latest and greatest which is no different from every manufacturer out there, yes you can argue it may sound better based on some dodgy graphs but don't be fooled into thinking a 3/4/5 hundred dollar speaker is going to sound like 1/2 thousand dollar speaker with a few hundred on upgrades. By all means buy the upgrades if that works for you but don't be fooled into thinking Danny is the greatest audio speaker designer that ever graced youtube

@veroman007

Жыл бұрын

You must be new here 😅

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

David is correct. You must be new here. You might want to watch more of my videos. I've answered all of those questions.

@ohmygodwhatareyoudoing4929

Жыл бұрын

@@dannyrichie9743 I have watched many of your videos and come to the above conclusions. You are a salesman no? Selling upgrades and your speaker kits thats is the business model as is every loudspeaker manufacturer in the world, your clearly biased towards stuff you sell, not knocking it as that's business but it's not an unbiased review of what you do is it? Same as any KZreadr pushing something they want to sell.

@arfer1470

Жыл бұрын

@@ohmygodwhatareyoudoing4929 I guess you work for Focal then 🤣

@ohmygodwhatareyoudoing4929

Жыл бұрын

@@arfer1470 oh no you have caught me😉 Why do people buy such crappy speakers in the first place to then want to 'upgrade' them, surely buy them because you like them and the way they sound, how do you know how these will sound to YOU once you do the upgrade, some like speakers sounding a certain way while others like it entirely different sounding, neither is wrong are they?

Of course the woofers have peaks at 1200Hz. The crossover is set to 200Hz so the woofers never get those peaks. Not 250Hz. You could have easily checked the manual or Googled the specifications. Your measurements are off. I seriously doubt FOCAL is off by 50Hz. So why even bring it up unless your just trying to make yourself sound intelligent. Why would you measure the speakers without the crossovers?.

@frankgeeraerts6243

Жыл бұрын

You're the tech that will build my future speakers.....4life ....

@0richbike

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Why waste everyone's time with calibration kit when you can just Google it. I think he meant midrange peaks anyway...

@dannyrichie9743

Жыл бұрын

Crossover points in that range can vary by 50Hz from one speaker to the other. Just because a woofer crosses at a certain point does not mean they don't play above that point. That is just where the cross.

FOCAL was better in the past in my opinion, most brands have gotten shady with materials versus cost .

@jasontimothywells9895

Жыл бұрын

@@bergennorway for the money solen caps can't be beat unless spending 2 too 3 times the money . I generally use solen caps for all my projects.

@afrancois1968

Жыл бұрын

Their high line isn’t getting worse that’s for sure.

@jasontimothywells9895

Жыл бұрын

@@afrancois1968 no it isn't, but the other lines are not living up to the old standard they had back in the day .

@Hondaguru1122

Жыл бұрын

Totally Agree. FOCAL/JMLAB in the 90’s-early 2000’s were great.

@jasontimothywells9895

Жыл бұрын

@@Hondaguru1122 yeah, the good ol days , especially for the fact that with the dollar not being strong and all the corruption in the financial system we just cannot get our money's worth.

Oh M G , metal grills are so tacky. That would deter me from even spending money on them .

@dilbyjones

Жыл бұрын

Haha. I hear ya.

a bunch of numbers mean nothing to myself and I find it quite boring...sound quality is what matters​ to me and I'm sure others as well.​⁠