Not a pointless video - hope you guys revisit this. The speed challenge was pointless. What would actually be useful and interesting would be a head to head with the GX1000 and the Boss GT6 or GT8 units, rather than really stacking the deck so much as you did here. And then to have Digital John spend equal time creating similar tones for each. THAT would be much more revealing IMO.

@jacksmith4460

2 жыл бұрын

the concept is not pointless, however the video was pretty pointless

@horestra

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. The speed challenge didn’t prove anything.

@MidlifeSlices

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, no reason to race. I actually wanted to hear a dialed in deliberate comparison.

@AndyCooper761

2 жыл бұрын

Was going to say the same thing. Multi-effects aren’t really used for tweaking on the fly - patches are programmed in advance, but recalled on the fly. Still use my GT6 live (theatre level Floyd tribute) for delays, reverbs, modulations etc - and there’s no reason to upgrade from what I hear.

The older unit really didn't sound that bad. Dialed in better and I think he could have gotten some decent tones. Some of the newer ones sounded really harsh

@bille77

2 жыл бұрын

OK, no. Just no.

@Jh-fi5im

2 жыл бұрын

@@bille77 the older units are really only good for effects going into an amp. but the new ones do it so much better. I mean look at rigs like Steve Vai's or John Petrucci's, they both use axe fx's. And even Axe FX's aren't even that new.

@MiguelMakesMusic

2 жыл бұрын

yeah I don't get why the goal of the vid was to do it as quickly as possible, plus it was obvious Lee isn't familiar with the unit. It'd be cool to see someone who knows the unit well to dial in the sounds without being in a hurry.

@Jh-fi5im

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiguelMakesMusic they should really do like a blindfolded shoot out video for these 2 units if they haven't already.

@sordel5866

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiguelMakesMusic I think that the goal of the video was to show people who haven't upgraded their digital FX for a while that the technology has moved on and there's now a compelling reason to do so. And to demonstrate that Lee doesn't listen to Progressive Rock.

Love these videos with Digital John, more please :)

@johnconnearnmusic

2 жыл бұрын

That’s the plan! So glad you’re enjoying them :)

Thanks guys I bought the BOSS-ME-5 At pawn shop did not quite know how it works but by watching you guys I do now. Thanks a million 😊

Made in 80's and still works properly. Boss is always the best choice, in my opinion!

Love Digital John!!! Yea defo hear the difference, like Captain said, it’s like half the frequencies are missing from the old one... a bit like me 😬🙃 (am 50yr okd) I think half my frequencies are missing too!

What a fantastic idea for a video. Great stuff, guys!

I was using a Digitech rp7 valve multi fix in 2007 because I was doing alot of shows and the unit sounded amazing with my Marshall jcm800. The simplicity and the real tube preamp gave me some great results and I was always getting comments on how I got my tone and it was that simple lol. There are some great units available nowadays and they have come a long way. 🤘

The older Boss multieffects still have good useable sounds, especially the drive sounds - the GT5 had analogue drives that I still love!

Im the original owner of an ME-6 and still use it from time to time. Great memories of high school! 👍🎸👍

Hey digi John is back!! Cool topic very entertaining and informative...

The older one sounds so much better because it is literally 5 great pedals inside it

@thedude-jb7wx

Жыл бұрын

the me 5 sounds like bullocks complete arse mate. are you being sarcasticx SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE SENSE OF THIS IM CONFUSED!!!

Both are lovely, but I'm still happy with the ME-80.

@marlonpotakaharu4117

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Just purchased last Christmas. Does everything I need it to do. Long live the ME-80

@marlonpotakaharu4117

2 жыл бұрын

@@midpupposIII I purchased from Andertons in December. Unsure whether still in production or not

@MattW4319

2 жыл бұрын

I picked up a me-80 last summer just started to mess with it more. A band my wife filled in singing for last summer used me-80s into the effects return of their amps and sounded great

Those old multi FX units were always good. They just got crapped on by snobs until it became a truism

@davidfaustino4476

2 жыл бұрын

Lolol no

@monarakudumbiya957

2 жыл бұрын

You mean like comparing battery life of an iPhone 13 and a Nokia button phone 20 years ago ?

@JamieWittGuitar

2 жыл бұрын

They really weren't. I had a ton of different ones over the years, including flagship units. Many left a lot to be desired, some basically unusable in a live situation. Firm Helix user nowadays, but let's not pretend it's not been a rocky road getting here.

@sneakynation1414

2 жыл бұрын

People just forgot what an opinion is. Tube doesn't sound better than a multi-FX unit... But a multi-FX unit doesn't sound better than a tube amp... It's called having a "opinion". Pick what you prefer and stop telling people what is "better" (I'm talking to the tube amp snobs btw).

@JosePineda-jn8jk

2 жыл бұрын

@Mark Seymour I mean I think there is some marketing that goes behind that. Companies regularly get slammed when they compare their models to real world amps. When they just make tones and call them new things or “inspired by” people usually get on board and aren’t upset. But truth be told it is also purist that perpetuate that need to say it is not the same.. I mean for me who cares personally, call plant bases protein meat I don’t care lol. Same applies here in my philosophy, they aren’t amps or pedals, just tone generators and wood, metal strings, and some magnets.

The GX-100 had many pluses but the difference in tone, besides the stereo part, wasn't as big as Lee made it. Most of it was his lack of knowledge on how to use it. Speed was somewhat irrelevant. Both were not appealing to me.

The ME5 is an outstanding multi-fx unit. Honestly, with even the slightest bit of experience and familiarity with the ME5 you can dial in excellent sounds fairly quickly. The EQ plays an important role , as does the noise-gate. For 1988, the ME5 brought amazing functionality, that holds up very well today. Unfortunately this video did not represent the functionality, the sound generation capability and the flexibility of the ME5.

God I feel old. Some of my early multifx stuff I've owned was the Korg G3 and Korg AX1G. Even gigged the little Korg G3.

I recently bought the Boss ME 80. I spent a month looking at all the pedal board platforms. The simplicity won me over. No menu's to deal with and the sound's are great to my ears. I run it stereo into 2 quilter tone blocks then to a stereo marshal 4x12 in an iso chamber miked up to a mixer then my interface and DAW. The ME 80 is a perfect match for my needs and cheap too.

@robertpurdy4452

2 жыл бұрын

I agree about the ME-80. I have mine in stereo running to a Katana 50 and Katana Artist, along with other effects in the chain and I don't use the ME-80 for all my effects but I do like it in conjunction with my other stomp boxes. I'm not recording at the moment or I would do things a bit differently.

@yodajazzcat

2 жыл бұрын

Even though I have purchased (additional) others, I love mine for the sounds and simplicity as well.

@gohjohan

2 жыл бұрын

I got the ME80 as well. I used it for church this morning and I'm pleased with it. The output is good too, had to turn down the volume a notch.

@Eged282

Жыл бұрын

I love my ME80, and will never sell it I assume, but I must say that the Digitech RP500 was as simple and it did have more mods and reverb types. I think the RP500/1000 and the ME 80 are legit for any club gigs. For anything such as music halls, or festivals, I would only trust my analogs. I mean, how can you trust all these multi effects without reprogram them to fit in any given room? Even all the presents that I had to program before a gig had to be tweaked, depending on the room and acoustics of any given time, so what are we doing here anyway saving all these user banks;.

I had a ME-5. Loved it.

As the time element of the challenge goes, the UI makes such a big difference. Given a few hours to familiarise yourself with the older unit, 'better' tones will be forthcoming.

@thedude-jb7wx

Жыл бұрын

i THINK NOT OR NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE A DIFF. The old unit is thin sounding vrud and i dont think EQ would make a huyge diff

Done hundreds of shows with the old ME5, it can sound really really good, but basically, only the OD1 is usable. The trick is to use the OD1, and boost that with the compressor in front, then EQ-compensate with the EQ afterwards.

This one was a lot of fun, cheers

I used a Boss ME-10 for years and it was great. I only replaced it when it finally broke down.

Old multifx were amazing for the time they came out. It was either that or thousands of pounds worth of rack gear. OD and amp/cab sim sounds have come a long way but there were some very nice sounds on certain units depending on what you plugged them into.

Amazing work guys

mono vs stereo wasn't even a fair competition! I enjoyed it though.

The timing of this video is crazy as I literally just picked up an old ME-5 yesterday.

Thanks for playing The Spirit of Radio Lee. Now it‘s stuck in my head :)

Ah, this takes me back, gentlemen! THE very first multi-fx I ever used at a gig was the ME-5! At the time, it was king. Best tech we had outside of a Bradshaw rack rig worth $20k. The Digitech GSP-21 rack was a close 2nd place. No question, the BOSS line is still one of the most organic, and the tech has came a LONG way. Thank you for this video!

The Me-5 is awesome. Best used in the loop of an amp though, using the amps core tone to get the best out of it. The effects whilst basic are still awesome. (The user parameters/user preset thing is awesome and was midi controllable too.) But definitely was the best salt and pepper...not the dinner itself. It runs great before the amp too and has an excellent noise gate too. Nuno Bettencourt used to use them.. the lack of amp sim no hinderance to the man.

@thedude-jb7wx

Жыл бұрын

IT SOUNDED LIKE COMPLETE SHT HERE IDK MAN LOL

@Guitarsthatkill

Жыл бұрын

@@thedude-jb7wx Fair play. each use em differently. im not defending the tone here.

The boss me-5 was my first pedal after about six months the digital reverb and delay stopped working but I still love it's sounds so much I just bought a boss me-6B that's almost as good

the pure distain from pete in this is hilarious

I have a ME5 brought in the 80's for £450. Quite expensive at the time. My only problem with it is you cannot have reverb and delay at the same time. I will have to get it out and see how it sounds.

@Albrecht777

Жыл бұрын

You can use delay and reverb simultaneously with the successor to the ME5, the ME6. Like its predecessor, it also has analogue overdrive and distortion - a nice touch from Boss. Sadly, one can't use flanger and chorus together. However, I have a Cry Baby, Digitech Turbo Flange, Voodoo Vibe and an old Arion Tube Mania pedal (for different distortion / OD sounds) chained in prior to the ME6, plus an expression pedal which goes into the designated input for one on the ME 6. I'll be honest; I don't really need much more. Both the ME5 and ME6 still hold up well, in my opinion. The ME5 has a better build quality than the ME6, though.

I usually love Anderton's videos, but I'm frustrated that when comparing the sound from two units, the guitars used are so different. I don't understand the thinking behind this decision.

@ectoplasma5

2 жыл бұрын

Right.

That was fun. More please

Hilarious! Loads of fun. Great video

I loved the ME-5, never should have got rid of it

Interesting: even listening on very good headphones KZread compression is such that I didn't notice the frequency/bandwidth thing Lee described, but that fits with my memory of how these effects sound. Before that I was thinking, "Wow, the ME-5 is way better than I remember."

I used to own the old boss pedal. I actually used to LOVE that pedal,.and have looked into buying another ,but I imagine it would mostly be just a mantle piece. But yea,.I used to love that pedal back in the day,. And I guess I still do ;)

I'm excited for the first release from the Anderton's Blue Shirts improvisational blues group.

this is nice concept, it would've been nice if the time wasn't a concern, just for fun make some patches on the GX and see how close the ME can get

This made me smile so much that old me sounded so good 😊

The new one is doing some sweet stereo processing that makes it sound HUGE!

Still have a digitech-rp155 on my board. Use it for preset delay tempos and lexicon reverbs. Also have it for those times I need a random modulated tone that i don't have a standalone for. It has honestly outlasted many newer pedals on my board

I still use my ME 6 from time to time. If you take the time to dial it in properly you can still get some great tones.

thanks for the laughs lads wouldn't you know it i started on an me5 in 87-88 into a redbox speaker sim as my first ever multi fx board had a few different ones in between now looking at the gx-100 to replace all the others mainly for recording or duo work it sounds pretty nice

This took me back to working in a music shop selling those ME-5’s 🙂 never bonded with these multi-effects units or the rack stuff… pedals every day…

Absolutely made my day! I hope that technology has gotten better but we wouldn’t have Digital John’s if it wasn’t for the Oldies but Goodie’s. Not saying you’re old Captain!

I think the me 5 stands well up for it's age man iv still got a roland gp 16 it still rocks altho you need to use and amp but i also use a headrush pedalboard to

Well, the GX being in stereo was kind of a big advantage. The ME-5 sounded perfectly acceptable, though. Personally, I _like_ the sound of the older Boss multi-effects units, provided it's all about compression, delay, chorus, flange, phase, etc. The distortions and distorted amp stuff on them all sounds fake to me, so they're mostly stick-it-in-the-effects-loop pieces so far as I'm concerned. But definitely worthwhile.

@thedude-jb7wx

Жыл бұрын

its sounded like worthless trsh to me not even close

I bought a korg pandora on eBay cheap the other week - it actually sounds pretty good tbh!

Never liked boss multi tones until the gx100. Huge difference in sound, I might get that gx100.

I LOVED the guy on the left's blues tone!!

I used to have the ME-6. It would be fun to have it back and play with it a little bit.

I actually really liked The Captain’s Blues tone. I’m guessing because it’s basically a analogue Boss drive pedal going into a clean valve amp.

I had a Marshall stack (JCM 800) with a Boss GX-700 perched on top in a 2U rack case, and a long cable to an early midi multi footswitch. Gradually morphed into current state of unashamed pedal junkie, tube amp snob blah blah but I still look back very fondly on that orange slice of versatility and 80s/90s digital goodness. And digital delays and modulation still seem to work best for me on the floor, albeit in smaller boxes as part of frequently changing pedalboards (a happy pastime).

My zoom 4040.....i bought it in the early 90s..... still rocks :D

Love it. Reminds me of something I would create if someone told me I had 30 minutes to make a video.

In the ME5 you find all analog effects built in. Only the delay and reverb were digital.

This video was hilarious! PLEASE do more content like this with swearing and chaos!

Pete and the Capt have turned into that old bickering married couple. Kids have left home, they don't hear so well anymore, they spend too much time together, they have aches and pains, and have grown grumpy when the kids come home for a visit. :)

I still use my ME8 in stomp box mode all the time! The smart harmonizer tracks even better than my Eventide Pitchfactor in some cases!

@lovecraftmusic8717

Жыл бұрын

Wow, that's a heavy statement...I'll consider you responsible if I purchase one😂

I have a Boss GT1000 which I think is good , and I have a Roland VS880 with the Effects card and I still use it , the Guitar effects are still really good ,same with the studio effects still hold up.

instantly noted that Lees guitar clean into the amp sounded better than the other guitar into the desk. More dynamics and pick attack

The only thing that seperates any unit is the heavy sounds. Anything can do a clean sound or crunch. When I test an amp or unit I just go straight to the heavy setting

My first multi-fx unit was the ZOOM 9002, wayyyyy back in the late 80s. It was a very small unit that you wore on your guitar strap, and it had a little keypad with 4 buttons that plugged into the unit and velcroed onto the front of your guitar, and you changed the presets with the fingers of your picking hand. LOL.

@jonathanogden746

2 жыл бұрын

I still have mine out in the garage...

@bingobango4840

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanogden746 I wish I still had mine.

Somehow ,I tend to like that old ME-5 better. Perhaps , because except delay and reverb it's all analog, it sounded much warmer and natural. I actually used to own one. Still regret selling it. Mind you...Now I own BOSS GT 1000 , but still....

Haha love this! Like teaching your dad how to record on a VHS player

Me-5 rules. Just have to read the manual

@JulesFox

2 жыл бұрын

agreed

It amazes me that I still have the Roland FC 100 foot controller I bought beginning of the 90s, and just re-activated to work with my new SYNERGY module rack system. And the stuff just works. Ok, just a foot controller. Still...

similar videos around about first POD: with proper external IR the result is quite surprising

We need of these "dial in a tone" videos great job

Still have and use my ME-5 from the 80s. If you know how to set it up, then these are great units. I thought about buying a new modeling digital FX system but I'd probably end up just trying to recreate my ME-5 sound. This was not the way to use it. You needed to set things up in patches. I had my entire set mapped to each pedal and group. Once it's done it's faultless. I accept that digital tones are going to be a bit more dynamic but for me the ME-5 has the sound I had in my head.

I had an ME5 and a BE5 (bass version) back in the early 90's. They were state of the art back then, and I think they can still earn their keep today. Like any effects unit, you have to get familiar with it to get the best out of it. Best point in the video was Pete:"prog rock" lee: "just turn Everything on" PMSL!

@thedude-jb7wx

Жыл бұрын

Cant polish a turd

You could just bank up and down through the new unit and get to some really good tones even if you chose to tweak them a bit.

I had an me-5.. It replaced a zoom 909.. Curious to see if that old boss sounds as bad as I remember

The setup removed some of the disadvantage of the older unit because it is plugged into an amp. What makes a lot of the newer units great is the preamp modeling. Compare a Boss GT8 preamp with something like the Hotone Ampero preamps for example and you will immediately hear the difference.

I've played the ME-5 and ME-6 back in the day, and the sound of a humbucker at the bridge position, and then just overdrive + a tiny bit of delay was pristine. Not everything in the multi-effect is digital. Still, I like my own (mostly analog) Ibanez PUE5 a bit more.

I bought the ME-5 brand new when it came out and I used it for many years. It was so easy to use and the sound wasn't too bad either. Off course the new stuff is and should be much better, but if you know how to use it it's not that bad, the old and trusty ME-5.

The EQ in the me-5 is AWESOME. If you take the time to tweek the overdrives with EQ, this unit is way better than the later digital stuff from boss.

@thedude-jb7wx

Жыл бұрын

what??? what??? the ME 5 sounds like horrid trash here.

@guitareMTL

Жыл бұрын

@@thedude-jb7wx Yes, here, but man they do not know how to use it.

@thedude-jb7wx

Жыл бұрын

@@guitareMTL idk maybe ur right but ive heard the ME5 before and he was always semi pro. I mean to me you got go the real route if you got the money. If i dont have the money im buying one piece of equipment at a time. The new PRS pedals are also mediocre. I think must stuff old and new doesnt get you all the way. If youre saying its decent cool but lets face it Gilmour aint using the ME5 ever. I dont have money to buy a 70s electric mistress and and a vintage tube driver and a hi watt so i have a marshall jcm and a roland jc 40. Also that longamp andy summers pedal is trash too. I have a very great ear im just not an amazing player. My talent is sound and im a decent player.

@guitareMTL

Жыл бұрын

@@thedude-jb7wx Not trying to tell the m-5 would be the rich guy's way to go, but it is way better than any later digital stuff, as soon as you play at band volume.

@thedude-jb7wx

Жыл бұрын

@@guitareMTL its weird if Pete thinks its so great why he didnt set it up lol. The other unit sounded like Lifeson and Schon kinda. To me its ME5 cant be polished. That old saying you cant polish a turd. Ive not seen one on YT sound good ever. Maybe you had the the ting down but man how much tweeking do you gotta do?

Y'all got me with the Dino roar lmao

Honestly the old unit sounds pretty damn good ! I had a similar digitech unit that sounded great …. I bet if you programmed it and saved the presets you could definitely still use it now😉😳😜

@erpece

2 жыл бұрын

Digitech RP-10... 🤘

@andystagger2906

2 жыл бұрын

@@erpece I had the rp5 with an expression pedal …. And i had an Alesis rack mounted quadraverb GT that sounded great back then . Tbh that alesis had some of the best choruses and delays the distortion was also decent and fully programable.

@danriley5848

2 жыл бұрын

@@erpece Absolutely, I used a rp7 for years with my Marshall.

@mimimmimmimim

2 жыл бұрын

I think it was the amp it was connected to. I remember giving awes to people while I was cabling the GT-8 through the (pre)amp. The trick was always to keep the digital at bay, everything as little as needed, not much, so the amp's character would show... Some effects were quite good back in the day, I guess due to their characteristics. Some though, could never get close to todays high-processor-powered-sampled models.

@andystagger2906

2 жыл бұрын

@@mimimmimmimim I agree less is more … let the amps character show above all the effects 😉👍

Boss ME-5 late 80s…still have mine 🙂 Should use the presets

You call it pointless, which actually is, but it's still pretty damn entertaining seeing this 😄

That pink guitar is really cool!!!

The ME5 holds the prestigious honour in my guitar playing life of being the original pedal that single handedly created a hatred of all multi effects pedals that lasted from about 1989 to 2021 (when i began to dabble with the HX stomp) - nothing i have seen here has changed my mind ;-) i have and love a few of the standalone pedals the ME5 was based on, but in that format it was just a PITA…

@egoncorneliscallery9535

2 жыл бұрын

My anti multifx period is shorter than yours.im quite fond of my Zoom G3n which i got in i think 2014 and still use today plus stand alone pedals, mainly boosts and OD/distortion.

I still got a Digitech RP-10 with 12 chip in it sitting in my closet with all my other unused pedals. I got new microswitches but haven't got them soldering in yet. Will replace the battery at the same time.

I still have a Boss BE5 !! Still going strong

Im still rockin a boss me25 over here, plugged into a katana 50

would like to see an me80 vs the gx100?

When it comes to amp modeler/multifx i kind of think "less is more".. I would be happy with basic amps/effects/etc...But that in the highest quality possible.. is there a unit out there with that approach?

A more useful comparison would be to compare both in 4 cable method (if possible) or some other method of using the unit to effect tone, rather than to create tone.

I had the BOSS ME-5...I think it sold for $700 back then...gigged with it for years, never used the distortion tones just chorus, delay

Did the ME5 have amp sims? Not fair if not. Would like to see a GT6 or GT8 up against the next unit.

@MarcCoteMusic

2 жыл бұрын

It was running into an actual amp. And still sounded kind of crap, imo.

Problem with the ME5 .... those little buttons were susceptible to flooding by beer spillage. ME70 was best Boss Multi unit for live gigging. Bonus .. it runs on batteries as well. ME5 is strictly AC.

@joeblack007forever

10 ай бұрын

Just stop drinking beer Bro!!! :D

I've got an ME70 that going straight into my recording setup more often then actual Mic'd amps cus I'm lazy and it sounds fine.

My buddy gave me a zoom 9000 unit and it sounds ok but the old LCD interface is wack after using modern touch screens.

The ME-5 is superior in tone-shaping. The analog BOSS DS and OD circuitry actually sound better than the individual pedals for some reason in this unit. Comp, delay, and reverb sound excellent and it has an FX loop plus noise suppressor. My only complaints are the slight latency in preset changes and programming layout. Even in this vid [which doesn’t do it justice] you can tell how much fatter the tones are over the GX-100.

Some really cool sounds here. The brightness of John's very direct rig shines through. My favorite sound was Lee's prog rock, though: while he missed the mark on that, he landed on a monster sound that is just fantastic on its own merits. Just use that signal chain for 80s/90s rock, punk, or traditional metal covers, and I'll be all smiles.

67 years old got me, absolutely love this