The watch Gagarin took to space was called a Sturmanskie labeled for military use, Sportivnie movement (43M)17 jewel water proof shock proof time piece, calibre 2634. Called type 2 by horologists. Saber hour and minute hands with red second hand with clover end. The watch previous to this was a very simillar in structure but was a Pobeda 15 jewel watch lacking the water and shock proof attributes. Sword hour and minute hands with red second hand with clover end. Both type 1 and 2 were manufactured by the first moscow watch factory. The modern day Sturmanskie Gagarin watch is powered by a different movement: a 17 Jewel Poljot 2609 movement, red second hand different end tip. Vintage Raketa brand uses a very similar movement also.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Its an interesting history for sure I hope you liked a look at this Sportivnie

TIL that I need to find a watch maker and force him/her to be my friend.🤔 Hopefully they will then gift me an awesome , fully renovated vintage watch.🥺 Watch makers, please form an orderly queue... 😄

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

No force required lol a couple of pints normally does it in this part of the world. Glad you enjoyed the video! Nice to see you back on the channel.

My neighbor growing up was a jewelry and watch repairman. His wife engraved the jewelry. Brings back memories

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Funny my better half is just starting down the engraving route. Thanks for watching

@user-qp8jk5dj2e

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time gold plated letters very rare even in russia

I wasn't expecting a speed service challenge, but what a great job! What a beautiful movement too. Bravo.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! I can't say i really wanted to do a speed challenge lol Got to love getting everything done at the last moment :)

Your friend will love the video to go along with his gift. Great commentary and I still love the split screen viewing during service. Thanks again 😊

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed. He does watch the videos so I think he will like it.

Great job

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

So the algorithm put this in my feed. Maybe because I follow Urban Gentry and love his reviews. But I found this video to be fascinating. I get to see into a world I can never experience. At 52 my hands move to much to do this kind of work so it is pure joy to see it done. But I also love your commentary and discourse on the movement. Thank you.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! I'm also a fan of Urban Gentry www.youtube.com/@theurbangentry link for anyone that wants to have a look I would recommend the channel. I'm very happy you found this interesting. Thank you for the kind words.

I'm captivated by this movement and the historical context. Great bedtime video experience. I hope you get your type-2 with provenance.

@Saving-Time

11 ай бұрын

Thank you kindly! Glad you liked it

great video and an awesome result!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you liked it.

Jyst the thought of Yuri Gegarin (sp?) Wearing a wstch like that makes my knees weak. So much history. Hes a hero for all humanity!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Yup brave man!

Please do let me know what you thought about this one. A pleasure to work on this watch. Thanks for watching!

@marianniculae

Жыл бұрын

This resto is very very accurate in my opinion as a classic watches nerd. Keep on like this and post here for us. Is really a joy. I want to ask you something. I listen your comment about the origin of some soviet watches. What do you know about the idea that some early post war soviet watches are reverse engineering of great swiss brands, the origin where the watches from german pow in URSS. It is true or not? Thank you.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I have been told the POW story before, but I have no idea if it's true or not. The Russian company Molnija has a movement that is basically a copy of a Cortébert movement from around 1940. Cortébert sold equipment to the Russians, so I'm not sure if these could have been licensed copies. In 1929, Russia purchased an American watch company and moved it to Russia employees and all. After the war, they also took quite a lot of German watchmaking equipment. There was a copy of the Zenith Calibre 135 that the Russians modified to have a center second, and there are other examples like this also. Russia had some excellent watchmakers and produced some really astonishing movements for the price. There was obviously some reverse engineering going on, but also innovation on the Russian side.

@marianniculae

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time Thank you for answering. Here is something that i see my self. It is well known that Volna movement have some similarities to Zenith cal 135,but with a peripheric second indicator. But if you notice, the Kama movement is the same, almost, with a type of Zenith on '40 fabrication. Also, the Pobeda first type seems like Omega or so. Or Lip, maybe? This are my obervations as a enthusiast only.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. I know Pobeda licensed some movement designs from LIP. The Russians spent a lot of money building up their watch industry. I think most of the similarities come from licensed designs, but as with everything, I'm sure there are some unscrupulous people out there. A lot of people conclude that because Russian watches are cheap, they are bad. This is not entirely true. This watch has one of the best movements from the 1950s I've ever seen! I recommend everyone get one.

@marianniculae

Жыл бұрын

Here is another example that is really out of normal thinking. The Vympel 23 rubies from early '60 is now very very colectible. Why? Because is ultra thin, has only 7 mm, and a marvel movement with 23 jewels. Gold plated. The russians have the habbit to put gold lairs on gold lairs so one. Check your self on internet, do not trust in me. This movement is find also in Luch, Myr and Poljot watches. From where these ideas on soviet watchmakers? I don t know.

This is actually a close copy of a French LIP R26 caliber. Soviets bought the license to produce it in the late 50s. Technically it cannot considered to be a first time measuring device in space. First artificial satellite Sputnik-1 was equipped with vibro-quartz oscillator which was set up to operate various automatic timing functions on board. Essentially a big old quartz clock lol.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

I thought I mentioned the connection to LIP in the video; it's been a while since I did the voiceover. This is not even technically the first wrist watch in space that was a Pobeda 34K that went with the dog Blackie; the story goes that a technician who was curious stuck his watch in with the dog before the launch. This was the first watch worn by a person, though I'm pretty sure. I hope you enjoyed the close-up look at this one.

@jakekaywell5972

Жыл бұрын

The license was actually purchased in 1947, not the late 50s. Everything else is correct though.

I have an original sturmanski, same as Gagarin’s. Unrestored dial, so it’s got lovely patina and it runs beautifully keeping excellent time. When the time comes to have it serviced, I worry about finding a watchmaker who will not only know how to service it…but will also treat it like the special watch that it is rather than just another cheap Soviet watch. I got very lucky being able to purchase it for a decent price from the family of the original owner. Doubt I’ll ever let it go.

A really great restoration on a super movement....even tho you're late for your dinner....But, you 'll be bringing a gift to be very much appreciated and to show off to all the guests. How you, your Mrs and all, incl. the owner of the watch will be impressed. Great job...!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I can report the gift went down very well. Glad you liked it.

You had me at "Soviet vintage"...and then you unveiled that gorgeous movement. This is my wheelhouse -- your superb exposition, including history, consumer caveats, and teardown/cleaning/reassembly, etc., were gravy. This was excellent. Thank you very much for sharing this.

@Saving-Time

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Nice of you to let me know. I'm sure this won't be my last Russian watch :)

Your videos are absolutely crystal clear ! Love the quality and the story telling !

@Saving-Time

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Glad you liked it. Cheers :)

I am an avid watch restoration fan and found your style a breath of fresh air . What a great watch!! Thanks for sharing 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

That's really nice of you to say, thank you sir glad you liked it.

omg its beautiful. Good job with the holes. I repaired a watch face once in the same way. It had cracked through age somehow cause it was brittle. We were on a time scale and they were coming to fetch it for a birthday. So using sprung tweezers to act as a heat sink to draw heat so i could solder direct and flux paste to make the solder run cleanly and i began. First post went in fine and readjusted them for the second post and sunddenly everything was in bits. At some point many years ago a repaire had already been done with lead solder and under the vague heat it all failed into bits 🤣 Thankfulky they understood and we were able to coax a replacement from a russian watch repairer just a few doors down. Lead repairs are a mare. You cant see them after a while.

My dad was a watch repairer in Saigon, VN back in the 70's. I remember he didn't much tools, just a tweezer, set of flat screws, some soft brushes, case opener and an eye loop. Everything he did was by hand. He did purchased a watch movement adjuster machine from Switzerland so he can adjust the spinning wheel rotation. It was the "thing" most other watch repairers envy.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

It's amazing what some people can do with so few tools! I hope you enjoyed my amateur efforts on this watch.

Thanks for the cool well-made video on this movement. I am glad someone mentions the little mistakes and aggravations that occur with this hobby. It is the most fulfilling and frustrating hobby I have ever undertaken. Placing the barrel arbor back in is also my personal picadillo. So many times, the spring will not hook to the arbor, and it just spins around and won't wind (why didn't they make the arbor hooks just a wee bit more pronounced to better facilitate hookage?) or the arbor will fly across the room?. I am not the only one then 😆😆😠😠 Good luck with the Yuri watch. That's a cool find.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

You are definitely not the only one lol I have propelled quite a few arbors, barrel lids and springs into the next room in my time.

@wildernessofzinn17

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time Wow...yep. I had a spring fly out of the barrel and the barrel flew literally into the next room.

It was a pleasure to watch the video. Your work is amazing! In my opinion, your setup and being in a hurry didn't hurt it at all. An "8K" story in a 720p video is always better than a "720p" story in an 8K video. The only issue I would like to point out is your way of saying "sturmanskie" which sounds like a mixture of "sturmanskie" and "komandirskie". I believe the way to go is either using Russian pronunciation (shtoor-muhn-skee-ye; a good example is kzread.info/dash/bejne/apV1xq-DgbunlLw.html ) or reading the English transliteration as it is.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the link to the video nice of you to take the time to help me out I appreciate it.

that is amazing watch ... good job ..

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words :)

Killer watch!! Now I want one. Your closeup are insane! Great work and I appreciate the narration as well!! Thanks for posting!!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir I appreciate that. I recommend picking up a Sportivnie seriously good movements

Jsem moc rád, že jsem na tohle video narazil. Konečně někdo z ČR kdo natáčí videa o servisu hodinek. Jen tak dál už teď jsem velký fanda a těším se na další videa!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Diky moc :)

I love how you polish your tools, this is some proper respect to the watch and the job!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

I try and respect the work of people that came before me. I hope you enjoyed the video thank you for the kind words.

Awesome, hope your friend liked it!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

He did thank you, i'm in the process of fixing one up for his sister, glad you liked the video.

Skvělý video. Uvědomil jsem si že mám téměř stejný strojek, akorát bez Incablocku v hodinkách Pobeda. Je to zajímavý strojek.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

pravděpodobně Pedoba 2608. Hezká mechanismus, který stojí za opravu. Už si nepamatuju, jestli měl stop seconds synchronizaci nebo ne.

@playcube5725

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time Neměl, tedy alespoň já nemám

Wow, what a great job. And you kept your cool even though you were in a rush. Hope your friend liked the beautiful present.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

He did indeed, happy you enjoyed the video all the best :)

I find your filming fine and you commentary is interesting and entertaining.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Paul I appreciate the kind words.

Thank you for your work and sharing this with us.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

You are most welcome, i'm glad you liked it.

Great restoration. Thank you for sharing.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you I appreciate the kind words.

This video is responsible for me subscribing. My highest compliment.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! Thank you very much sir!

Beautiful work!!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 😀

Enjoying the story's about the watches history ,, Excellent service 👍

@Saving-Time

11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

About 3 years ago, I bought a Gagarin Strumanskie (Navigator) 33mm watch, from Poljot Moscow. I liked the look of the watch, especially it’s 33mm case. When I received it I wasn’t disappointed, I was surprised by the build quality. I’m not a watch maker, so I haven’t taken it’s back off. And don’t know if it’s a modern day contemporary of your movement. Poljot said it was. On another watch site it said that the movements that were put in those watches of that era, are good quality Soviet knock offs of an old Breguet movement. My Poljot doesn’t hack.😞 Poljot Strumanskie wasn’t the 1st watch in space. That honour goes to another Soviet watch manufacturer, worn by the 1st dog in space. Although Gagarin wore a watch with this movement on his maiden space flight he relied on the capsule clock, rather than his wrist watch.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

A Pobeda 34K that went with the dog Blackie; the story goes that a technician who was curious stuck his watch in with the dog before the launch. The first watch in space worn by a person would not fit in the title ;)

Thanks again for a great video. Also thanks for your honesty and passion to restore vintage watches. Regards to you.

@Saving-Time

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! All the best from Prague

Very well done...that's a really nice looking watch, and a great save on the dial face!😮

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir I appreciate that, I have a long way to go but one step at a time. Thanks for the comment

Wow you make watch repair exciting. I would love to tinker like this sometime.

@Saving-Time

11 ай бұрын

Give it a go it's not that expensive to get started you can do a lot with a little. Depends if you can afford the the time. Good luck ,i'm glad you enjoyed the video

Nice watch and work. Thanks for the video.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you appreciate the feedback. Glad you liked it

thank you so much for this. the explanation why its called keyless works was great and answered a long time question i had. great video

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it thanks for letting me know appreciate it.

That came out beautiful! Great video, loved the time pressure element.

@Saving-Time

7 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! Glad you liked it.

Another great video! Love the fact you did this in one day. Amazing!! I'm sure your friend loved it, especially with the history and the one day turn around story.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! He did seem to like it and i finally got some dinner :)

You are a artist and a virtuoso! Just beautiful. ⌚

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

And you are making me blush thank you so much for the kind words.

Great video, the simultaneous three camera viewpoints were really good! Congrats.👍😎

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know Fred, takes a bit of extra time but i think it's worth it. All the best - David

Excellent excellent video. Nice work on the dial and hands. Also very classy Doxa you have there. Well done!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! I have an older video on restoring that Doxa, great watch.

Very nice!

@Saving-Time

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

lovely video, lovely watch. I like your story telling in the background. Also I dont see the need to improve the video equipment or any other microscope etc.. i think is quite good enough! thank you for sharing! I`m also a russian vintage watch lover and this watch really seems to be a super special one! keep up the good work! Cheers from Romania!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I was in Romania years a go sking beautiful country. Everyone i met there was amazing. My ski instructor probably saved my life after I took a bad fall, but that's a story for another day :) thanks for the kind words.

Awesome video mate.

@Saving-Time

9 ай бұрын

Thank you i have seen your work on IG hat off to you sir. Glad you liked the video I do another Russian watch here kzread.info/dash/bejne/m2eDrZqPfamtkdY.html which i have no doubt you will recognise straight away!

date code is 2nd Quarter of 1956. Not 2nd month. Great video! I’m a new subscriber.

@Saving-Time

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the sub! Yes i must have been having a moment when I said that a lot of modern manufacturing is still dated the same way. Thanks for the correction

Go with what you got for video all good enjoyed the explanation on the audio

@Saving-Time

8 ай бұрын

Awesome, thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.

I’m very surprised that the watch turned out quite well being that it had screws through it nice work

@Saving-Time

9 ай бұрын

Thank you, i'm in the process of making a strap for it now my friend liked it but now needs a new strap :)

The movement looks like it will last another century easily. All the parts looks so thick and well made

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Yup this one is very well built would recommend everyone pick one up!

I was curious about Russia watches found this an eye opener , nice watch beautiful movement

@Saving-Time

11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. The movement in this watch is awesome if you take into account how cheap you can pick one up i'd recommend them.

Your video and editing is excellent! Subbed

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub! Appreciate it

Spitze Video, exzellente Reparatur, interessante Uhr 🌟

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Schön, dass es Ihnen gefallen hat, bald gibt es auch deutsche Uhren!

@richardspacetimeuhrensamml4236

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time Darauf freue ich mich, merci.

Very impressive restoration, Happy Birthday to your friend, what lucky Gentlemen, to be able to obtain this beautiful piece, looks amazing, this vintage pieces they get better and better with age, alright until next restoration...

@Saving-Time

9 ай бұрын

Thank you he loved it i'm making him a strap at the moment, thanks for the kind words.

Beautiful

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Hey I have the same winder set, and I love them too! And if I had a nickel for every time I've forgotten to put the setting lever screw back in before the barrel bridge, I would have several nickels.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Ah my favourite sort of person, someone that can supply the beer :) I always recommend those winders I could buy a Bergeon set but i've run out of kidneys to sell.

@newmicro

11 ай бұрын

If I may ask, what brand are the watch winders? I’m new to watchmaking and don’t want to spend $650 for the Bergeons. I had heard the brass winders are no good, but not sure what to look for.

@ManSkirtBrew

11 ай бұрын

@@newmicro Watch-Craft. Mine came as an 8-piece set sized for wrist watches.

@newmicro

11 ай бұрын

@@ManSkirtBrewThanks! I will keep a look out.

Yes!!! Thanks! Respect from Russia!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

Super materiał. Mam taki sam zegarek. Pozdrawiam z Polski.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! Pozdravy z Prahy

Your videos are great. I was stressed listening! I’m sure your friend loves it! Can you please explain or better do a video on your cleaning process. Sounds to me that we both do it the same, same tools and fluids. I’m never happy with my results, I’d love to know all the details of your cleaning process! Ta.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I will try and do some more in-depth cleaning tips in the next video. Thanks for the suggestion.

@boydsargeant7496

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time Thanks!

Hi. This was in fact the first movement in space on a wrist but about one month before Chernushka dog went to space with a Pobeda 34-k that a cientist (Dr. Abraham Genin) introduced without permission. Try to find the story because it is very interesting. By the way, the 2 on the movement stands for quarter of the year and not month. So, this movement is from the second quarter (April to June) of 1956 :)

@Saving-Time

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for letting me know. The story of the 34-k in space is fantastic I'll have to pick one up.

I really like this video (as well as some others), the depth of field on your cameras is marvellous (long lens ? bellows macro). I am developing an interest in this hobby (so many hobbies!) and you have impressed me with these ex-Soviet movements along with the history's (much like the cameras of my time).

@Saving-Time

5 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! As for the cameras, it's a macro lens from a dslr with an adaptor I designed to stick it on a Sony Handycam. It's cheap and pretty effective. Camera cost is a real concern when you record on three cameras at once. Good luck and give this hobby a go; it's very rewarding. Good luck to you, sir

@johnpotter4750

5 ай бұрын

I'm amazed for a simple supplementary lens. Been looking through my sock draw, the usual repository dead/abandoned watch's found the Tudor Card-Deco box but no watch as yet (U/S). Sorry - Q. were B Navitimer faked much in 67 to 72 as I seem to have two (Serial 806&808) bought my 808 after passing Glider solo. My much loved Uncle bought his in 67 via a mail-agent (motoring).

@Saving-Time

5 ай бұрын

I don't think they were faked much in that period; I can't be sure. A quick look at the movement should tell you on a watch that old!

@johnpotter4750

5 ай бұрын

Thankyou for your time, after reading further I realize "Serial#" is not what I thought! and all the Crazy prices out there. Every day Learning & more tools😃...

Very cool !!!! neat movement. nice work !!! im a year into watchmaking hobby myself, But American pocket watches are my thing, and old Elgin wristwatches. because they are scaled down pocket watch movements.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

I love American pocket watches, but they're a bit harder to come by in this part of the world. I've been on the lookout for an old Elgin for a while.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

BTW if you post pics of your pocket watches on Instagram give me a shout I love looking at that stuff! instagram.com/savingtime_yt/

@sonnymoorehouse1941

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time Elgin is the best. ive many from the 1800"s and they are my favorite to work on. I get on tangents for particular models and i have many multiples of each grade I like, and I do not get tired of rebuilding and fixing the exact same movements. and the varying grades with tiny differences. Familiarity is something I enjoy. and I buy them broken so each one is a new journey,

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Something very relaxing about the familiar for sure, I ended up doing 3 of these watches one for my friend one for his sister a matched brother and sister set, then i had to have one also. Knocked them out one after another kind of nice to to have to deal with any surprises

@sonnymoorehouse1941

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time The part I like is learning all the little details of the movements. each one has its own design elements.

Well done on the excellent restoration! Never nice when you are having to tidy up someone else's bodges. If someone has had to fit the dial using screws, is the dial original and correct to the movement and the foot (feet) just got broken off? Big shame. The matt black finish of the dial is pretty cool! That is a lovely looking movement. Unusual to have different styles of shock protection on the front and back of the watch. Keep up the good work! Really enjoying your videos!!

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

The dial is original to the movement, I assume the feet just broke off and this is someones fix I use the word fix very lightly. The different styles of shock protection front and back is not something I've seen before! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Very nice and instructional video. Beautiful restoration. Did you check if the previous old lume in the hands was radioactive? Or these type of watches didn't use Radium lume? Thanks and great editing as well.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

It is radium, as are the lume pips on the dial. I dissolve the old lume on the hands in IPA or acetone; it's generally safe enough to work with as long as you do not aerosolize it. Work on the dial under water (the dial that is not you) and the hands can be dealt with quite easily; just don't go scraping at it with some peg wood with your face over the hands. There are some excellent KZread videos on how to deal with it in the safest way. I would recommend looking them up if you are thinking of giving it a try. It is best to be as safe as possible and know the risks before doing anything with the stuff.

Your crystal grabber is absolutely terrifying.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

My other one is bigger :D

Amazing job. Love the commentary! Beat error 4.4 tho. seems like some work on the balance would be needed. Probably not shown out of time reasons, but would love to see how you tackle a beat error of 4.4 since there didn't seem a regulator for that on the top of the balance.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

I later adjusted the hairspring collet; it just needs the world's smallest screwdriver and a very steady hand. The beat error ended up at 0.7, which is good enough for me on an old watch like this. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'll show beat error adjustment in a video at some point.

Nice servicing job !! 🥰 Those macro shots !! 😍🤩 What are u using ?

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Cheers I use some cheap Sony Handycams with a clip-on macro lens. I'd love to upgrade my camera equipment, as the current setup is a giant pain to work with. A lot of lighting is required.

@SQueme

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time Very Nice Result as it !! i think whaever you will use, it's not possible to get such macro shots without a lot of lighting : you have here all the possible defects of even a single pivot ...

Beautiful. I believe that Gagarin wore the second watch in space. The dog Chernushka wore the first a month earlier.

@HE-162

Ай бұрын

Do you know which model was worn by the pup?

@Liftahorse

Ай бұрын

Pobeda 34-K Made in 1954 and the first quarter of 1955 I believe. If you google it you will find photos from the Smithsonian Dr Genin strapped it to the dog just before the launch.

@HE-162

Ай бұрын

@@Liftahorse thank you!

Loved the video. Hope you didn't just get burnt offerings at the party! Keep on with the videos! 😁

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

I just about avoided it, Glad you enjoyed the video new one next week!

Those Chinese cleaners actually only cost around 70 rmb in China which is about 10+ cad, 10 usd. So pretty surprised to know how much it goes here.

@Saving-Time

8 ай бұрын

Did not know that but i am not surprised! Hope you enjoyed the video

I caan't change a battery in an old Casio without problems. I'm surprised at how engaged in these videos I get. Thank you. Edit: Hi! I am new to the channel and the content, good find in my opinion😎. I have some questions but they're about some non-running watches of mine but I'll take them to a forum where people have the time and inclination to help. Subbed.

@Saving-Time

9 ай бұрын

Thanks i'm glad you liked it feel free to DM me on Instagram if you use the platform instagram.com/savingtime_yt/

So much stress, I hope your friend appreciated it.

First time I've seen one of your videos and I've subscribed..👍🏼 Just one thing to point out, the movement is dated 2-56 which equates to the second quarter of the year rather than the second month of the year. You'll not find anything later than 4- for any given year. The long serial number doesn't really mean anything, in soviet times the production quotas would be set to a five year plan by Stalin and reset at some point, I don't think records were kept. BTW, I once bought a frankin watch in Prague, in the days when I knew very little about watches. It happens alright..😱I keep it as a reminder and a conversation piece.

@Saving-Time

7 ай бұрын

It does happen been stung a few times myself, thanks for the info on the date :)

Sportivnies have great a movement, basically a very good quality highly finished version of the Central seconds version of the Limes based Pobeda sub-seconds movement, with hacking. AFAIK they never came with the date complication, but some sub-seconds variants did. So maybe reassembling a Sportivnie movement using the backing plate & dialtrain off the sub seconds date complication variant might make it possible

@mickvonbornemann3824

Жыл бұрын

BTW where it says Limes above, it should say Lip

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

It's an interesting idea I'm planing on doing a custom watch at some point this would be an epic mix and match. Thanks for the idea.

I'm working on the same calible, but I'm in trouble with the jewel on top the balance wheel. I can remove the rubin from his cap (sorry for my English) have any advices? Thanks 🙏🏻

@Saving-Time

4 ай бұрын

Throwing it in B-dip or even isopropyl alcohol should come unstuck

Very similar to the Pobeda 2608, except the stop lever !

@Saving-Time

9 ай бұрын

Yup it's the most well finished version of a 2608 to my knowledge!

I featured a genuine Gagarin on my own channel a good while back, I used a Sportivnie to repair it but sadly the dial on the Sportivnie had been dipped in some sort of solvent so the dial was toast. Its the little captive jewels that are the biggest thing to look for, only this movement has these particular laid out jewel arrangement and the amount of fakery out there is astonishing with so many Zim based pieces, Vostok 2602's etc and even ones stuffed with a cheapo Miyoto quartz glued to the dial. The original Gagarin is also a top loader whilst the Sportivnie is not, should be careful of radium on some, my own one the dial had been changed for a repro, it seems to be an issue one as it has Russian figures scratched into the side of the case and some cyrillic figures crudely engraved onto the caseback.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

It's very easy to get stung on a genuine Gagarin. I've seen a lot of reproductions and flat out fakes never seen a quartz one but it does not surprise me at all. So many fakes. Thanks for dropping a comment on the video I'm sure I don't have to tell you this you tubing business is hard lol

Fantastic work! did the original lume on the hands were Radium lume?

@Saving-Time

7 ай бұрын

It did. I normally remove radium lume from hands, some people like the original lume for me I prefer a safer modern lume.

@petros311

7 ай бұрын

@@Saving-Time safer its the best option!

You can bend pivots back but only after you anneal them AKA heat them up to take temper out. pivots are hardened and if you try to bend them back without taking hardening out they will snap off, Ask me how I know. its a real process. and you need to re harden pivot after its trued up.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

I've snapped a few; you are not alone. I've not tried yet to bend one back, but I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the tip.

Just a little headsup on the pronounciation: it's called a "shtoor-man-ski-ey"

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I like the video

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Hello , I will like to thank you for making this cool video , I know that the time and effort many times is just not worth it on youtube especially if you are passional about a dying niche. Until know I hade some soviet wristwatches that I dismantle and repaired with the naked eye without any magnification (of course many errors and broken mechanism have resulted but with time I got better and more confident (most of them from the wostok line 2209 and 2409 and 2414 ) . Recently I manage to put my hand on a gorgeous Sportivnie very similar with the one that you restored but almost in mint condition . Unfortunately after opening the watch the mechanism is looking like a 15 Jewels Pobeda with out the hack function . The dials and hands look legit even all to lumen points are green and period correct . I had buy 2 more Sportivnie mechanism in working condition but with damaged dials and thanks to your video I will try to refit missing parts or replace the mechanism . I'm not sure if the mechanism of my clock was striped by the hacking function and replaced the stamped markings from the mechanism with Pobeda instead of 1MCH ( I know that this was done in the past by the watchmakers ) . Interesting enough that the mechanism has the date stamped similar with yours 2-56 so I want to ask where are the 2 extra jewels located on the 17 jewels mechanism in order to figure it out if is original 17 J mechanism or 15 J Pobeda with Sportivnie dials and hands . Thank you

@Saving-Time

11 ай бұрын

Thank you. A real Sportivnie movement will have a cap jewel on the train bridge and a incabloc system on the balance cock to my knowledge the 15 jewel Pobeda never shipped with these features.

@KalashGarage

11 ай бұрын

@@Saving-Time The clock in question has the train bridge without a cap jewel but with 15 jewel markings of the 1 Moscow factory . The winding wheel on the right side of the bridge that should have a stamp with 1 Moscow factory has a Pobeda stamp. The strange thing is the condition of the dial and hands that look untouched so I assume someone removed the hack system and replace the train bridge and the winding wheel with the stamp.

@KalashGarage

11 ай бұрын

@@Saving-Time Once more I will like to thank you for this beautiful video , last week I had work extensively on my Sportivnie watches and service all of them . I will like to say that this mechanism even on first hand looks a little bit complicated in fact is crazy simple compared with the 2209 , 2409 and 2414 calibers that I was used to repair in the past . The hardest part of all of was to remove the hour indicator from each watch which is a real pain in the ....( but most probably because I work with improvised tools) . Thanks again and already sub to your channel .

@Saving-Time

11 ай бұрын

No problem it's a pretty simple movement i like it quite a lot, I also have quite a few improvised tools :)

@KalashGarage

11 ай бұрын

@@Saving-Time I generally go a lot in the flea markets in Romania and buy all kind of old watches that I found interesting . My main focus are in general old soviet chess clocks but I collect also soviet wristwatches because I can work on them with less pressure because of the low value :) . Recently I bought a pocket watch Junghans 47 G with a broken main spring .Do you have any tips about how to repair something like this or if other springs or barrels from different clocks are compatible ?

Makes me wonder. I rather think many astronauts take watches into space with them. How much more are they worth when they come back?

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

I think that would be a case of think of a number and double it. A watch that's actually been in space would be damn near priceless, I think. Buzz Aldrin's Omega speedmaster went missing after he was on the moon. I can't even imagine what the price for that will be if it's ever found. Thanks for watching the videos :)

The 2-56 actually means 2-d quarter (April, May, June) of 1956🙃

@Saving-Time

8 ай бұрын

Yes i should have known that it's pretty common way to date in the manufacturing industry even today. Thanks for the correction

I made a mistake with a clockwork timer and it blew the side wall and garage door clean off.

@Saving-Time

2 ай бұрын

Well now I don't feel so bad about just dropping some bits on the floor lol

Mam 2 zegarki sportivnyje z tym mechanizmem w kolekcji. Pozdrawiam.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Również mam kilka naprawdę wartych dodania do każdej kolekcji.

why not using dial feet with the mushroom shaped base?

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Normally, this would indeed be the way to go; however, on this dial, the indexes are stamped, so if I cut the holes on the back for the dial feet to sit in, I'd actually cut through the indexes on the front. Secondly, it would have been very hard to mill the holes with the two holes through the dial, making it very difficult to get the line up right.

So this very movement has actually been in space, you say?

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

The movement has yes. Not this one i'm working on that one is priceless and belongs in a museum not on my workbench lol I hope you enjoyed the video.

Hopefully you didn’t get into too much strife from the better half for that. Your friend wouldn’t have minded considering so he is a lucky duck. Nice work.

@Saving-Time

8 ай бұрын

I am always in trouble every time I bring home more tools ;) My friend loved the watch, so all was well in the end.

@timelybehaviour5318

8 ай бұрын

@@Saving-Time yes the “one job only” tools. I think we all fall victim to those.

What movement is this?

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

The Sportivnie brand (Спортивные, meaning "sporty") was manufactured in the 1950s and early 1960s, using​ a modified caliber 2408 movement fitted with a special hacking mechanism.

3:18 Not the second month of 1956, but the second quarter of 1956 😉

Stuurman = stearing man, the one who holds the rudder wheel on a boat, When Peter the great went to the Netherlands, to study Dutch naval technology, he learned the Dutch terms, and they are still in use in Russia.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Interesting i did not know this, thank you for the information.

We had Acutrons in the USA.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Not quite the Bulova Accutron released in 1960 this movement is from first quarter 1954, with this watch being from 1956. However the Russians imported the Dueber-Hampden Watch Factory from Canton, Ohio, USA that was purchased in its entirety by the Amtorg Trading Corp. and moved brick-by-brick to the USSR in 1930. Which basically kick-started the factory this very watch is from. In 1957 Hamilton Watch Company located in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA brought the first electric watch to market with the Hamilton 500. The USA made some superb timepieces from the 1850s right up until around 1970 when Hamilton moved to Switzerland and the industry in the USA nosedived a bit during this time. There are still some watchmakers left in the USA and it seems to be picking up a bit personally I'm hoping for a renascence of american watchmaking. The watch I'm normally wearing is a Hamilton that was made in the USA.

@jakekaywell5972

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time Agreed. American watches of old (except Timex) were something to behold. I believe my Bulova Accuquartz was still an American watch when it was made in 1974. Has the honor of being both the first affordable quartz watch (relative to others of the era, that is) and the first American quartz watch. This was made possible because Bulova simply took their 50s-era Accutron movements and converted them to be regulated via a quartz crystal, thereby saving much in development and tooling costs.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

The Bulova Accuquartz is a cool watch. I want one but have not gotten round to picking one up yet.

@allenschmitz9644

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time I sold my last year open face(1976) Accutron in 5 minutes on e-bay 2013 for 200 dollars, good luck finding one pal.

Enameled copper wire needs the coating removed before soldering.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

Yup i know I thought i mentioned it in the video, might have got lost in the edit. Hope you liked the video :)

@sticustom

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time you may well have. It may have slipped past me. The mind it not what it use to be.

@sticustom

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time PS I did like the video. Very educational as well as informative.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate you taking the time to point it out sir. Really thank you definitely not immune to the odd cock up on this channel lol

Where did you buy this watch ? was it $10 dollar ?

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

It was actually a bit less than $10. aukro.cz/

Really very nice job. Are you self taught in horology ?

@Saving-Time

10 ай бұрын

Yup i am old books and youtube mostly and a lot of learning from mistakes. Thank you for the kind words

flux is what you needed to get solder to bond to brass dial

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

The solder I'm using has a flux core, but yes, off-camera solder paste and a bucket of flux were used. The paste and flux with a hot air gun did a lot better job than trying to hand solder. I would not recommend it, however, as the danger of totally destroying the finish on the other side of the dial is high. But, as this dial was basically toast, I thought I'd give it a shot.

@sonnymoorehouse1941

Жыл бұрын

@@Saving-Time Flux core is poor solder, in my opinion. I also play with electronics and that hobby has taught me not to use flux core solder.

@Saving-Time

Жыл бұрын

I sort of agree a lot of it is crap, but the stuff I'm using now is good. I think it depends on the composition of the solder and how much flux there is in there. I'm also still using leaded solder; I can't stand the other stuff. I'd actually recommend what i use but the label drooped of ages ago and it's Czech made and it's not so good you'd want to import it lol

Ok❤

@Saving-Time

9 ай бұрын

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