Another thing, why do they pick on Gumball of all shows? If you’re trying to make an imaginary critique on shows with similar artstyles maybe dont pick on the show with one of the most bonkers and insane artstyles out there

@dangreen6901

Жыл бұрын

Because all they see when they look up the show is the main characters and immediately dislike it without even giving the show a chance

@joeskys2362

Жыл бұрын

Wait people actually companied about gumball. The craziness of their animation is what makes it so funny!!!

@joeskys2362

Жыл бұрын

@@dominothealphaandomega5512 Agreed, it is certified comedy gold for all ages!

@danieladamczyk4024

Жыл бұрын

Logic don't stick to those people.

@charcoaleater343

Жыл бұрын

@@ateliermink6340 yeah, sans being a part of it makes absolutely no sense, the game has a VERY different art style, not to mention SAND UNDERTHETABLE ISN'T EVEN THE MAIN CHARACTER. Also he looks nothing like the other guys (i mean other examples of cal-arts)

The only time I judge a cartoon on art style is when it's so unappealing to look at that it actually distracts you from the plot

@serensailor2055

Жыл бұрын

@ateliermink6340 Lol, sounds like a skill issue. Get rekt. -coming from someone who hated spiderverse for its disgusting drop in frames.

@Mikescool444

Жыл бұрын

@@serensailor2055 sigh… never change, trolls.

@bot-xe1dk

Жыл бұрын

Like the calarts stule

@EveleenKisune

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, also I get turned off of some shows if I find the art style unappealing before the plot starts. Once I start liking the plot, I can move past it, but it has to be nice enough to get me through the first episode.

@TheRegularHedgehog575

11 ай бұрын

​@@serensailor2055 okay hipster.

Speaking as someone currently in school for animation, everything Lily said about innovation in animation being a result of making the process easier is 100% true. My professors are always talking about finding ways to cut corners and making things easier on yourself (also, they always note the importance of having a rich media diet, so you don't just make the same thing over and over again. What do you know?)

@andrewporter2105

6 ай бұрын

Sounds like innovation to me!

I came in thinking the punchline was gonna be "It's just easiest to draw", but 'all these creators are just weebs in trenchcoats' was an enlightening take that, in hindsight, shouldn't have been that much of a surprise to me lol

@queenfighterfly3888

Жыл бұрын

@@Sun_Simp Lol yeah I was talking about calarts style being easier to draw than anime or realistic anatmy cause it's mostly just lotsa round shapes and curves that, with today's tech, is easy to curve correct with lol

Also, and this is related to a show often ignored by the "Cal-Arts style" shouters, some consideration is given to making the characters easy for kids to draw. That's why Phineas and Ferb's main characters consist of simple shapes that can be easily approximated by children.

@esbeng.s.a9761

Жыл бұрын

That a really good point

@I_always_have_been_Daniel49

Жыл бұрын

Powerpuff Girls are also easy to draw

@guyferrari8124

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but phineas and fern also has a unique artstyle, invalidating your argument. You can have an easy to draw and unique artstyle

@user-lr8ow2jg4e

8 ай бұрын

Yes but god damn, challenge them by giving theme more than just curved lines and circles.

The thing is, for me, the writing is the most important thing in anything, anime-inspired or not. I love anime, but I am in the point of my life where the anime actually need to have a good story to care about it. Like, one of my favourite storytelling driven shows is Young Justice, because it is actually balances perfectly serious and less serious storytelling to tell pretty great stories that are both fun but always have pretty good logic behind them. But I also love a lot of the comedy shows that I saw as a child, like Dexter's Lab, Cow and Chicken or Powerpuff Girls. And that the industry went mostly for that path is not wrong. The thing is that if I want serious stories I will just read manga or watch an anime and there is an audience to that. Squid Game literally just an anime in live action. But asking eveything to be like that is... sad. Like, fun things are okey. But if you want to see what I think is a good anime that actually tells its story in a great way, watch March Comes Like a Lion.

I really love this video for being so informative, i wasn't really sure of what to make of this calarts brainfart until now. It' nice to know the real origins of the term Calarts Style and where the puppybean faces actually originate from. It's so ironic considering that drama animation junkies were howling over the art style considering it originated from their favorite anime darling.

Just to let you know The dark knight returns animated movie does exist. I never saw it, but it is out there. I always thought it is funny though that younger fans of Batman prefer the idea of Bruce being a Batdad to his semi-feral children in a mixture of a loving, chaotic mess of a found family rather than the really edgy loner that older generations and movies like to portray.

"there's nothing wrong with cheap animation" proceeds to show Angela Anaconda

I love when lily talked about good writing she put up a picture of The Ghost and Molly Mcgee (love that show). The whole same face thing is such a stupid debate cause every generation of animation has some simulairities! Definitely some great points in this video!

As someone else mentioned, out of all the “Cal-Art culprits”, Gumball is the most ironic one, seeing as one of the points of the show is to show how many unique and different styles of character design exist. Live action, different pencil types, modern and classic 3D, pixel, rough and smooth, and so so SO much more. Quickly going back to gumball himself, although it’s just something I thought of, I believe the reason he and the rest of his family is designed like that is because they are supposed to represent the current modern animation type, compared to all of the other characters. (And yes I know the Cal-Arts images where made by people googling western cartoons.)

Here's the thing about teen titans go, the creator himself has said that teen titans go is bad, because it's made for kids. He doesn't actually respect kids enough to give them a good show. I used to watch teen titans go a lot, and the show sucked. Just because something is popular does not mean it is good.

@LilianOrchard

Жыл бұрын

Teen Titans Go is good regardless of that, so it seems like the creator is out of touch with the audience. You need to stop associating "good" with "drama"

Some people want animated lord of the rings and that's great but they keep randomly throwing in creepy sexual stuff that puts any audience that has ever seen another human being off

@Robohead-z6z

Жыл бұрын

:(

can i just take this time to tell you, i adore the way you speak and articulate your thoughts. the witty and snappy comments you throw in is just so good. i enjoy listening to you.

The thing with anime is that each decades decline in animation quality had a reason. In the 80s, the industry went more to tv and less to OVA and OVAs had more time and budget than tv shows. The 90s had to deal with a huge economic crash that crippled the industry and made changes that are still negative to the studios themselves today. 2000s was the time when Cel animation went away and made way for digital animation. But many didn't master it and it took over a decade for shows to become well animated at times. And now I can see the clear improvements in animation since the 2000s. One Piece only started to look good in recent years. Before that, it was just not even close to it. In fact, quality wise, it was extremely far away in comparison to the manga. But now it is close to the manga and sometimes even outperformed the manga. That, however, still doesn't cover the many stinkers.

One of the ironys of anime is that ive seen quite a few stories that call out the protagonist for being a pathetic incel weeb And yet the audience never catches on that the anime they love is actively making fun of them

@LilianOrchard

Жыл бұрын

If weebs had literacy skills, they wouldn't be weebs

@kaykay8855

Жыл бұрын

@@LilianOrchard the main reason I left the anime community. And all the harassment I get when I don't like insert anime they currently like here.

@shadowknight3035

Жыл бұрын

@@kaykay8855 That's common for those gross sad sacks, that and pedophilia witch is still a huge issue.

@snolls105

Жыл бұрын

Re:Zero comes to mind where I could totally see that happening. Like, the whole point of its protagonist is that he's an incel and gets the shit regularly beaten out of him for being an incel until he learns to not be an incel (at least in season 1, not sure where season 2 was heading, I kinda tapped out halfway through and probably need to rewatch most of it to understand what's happening on a basic level). But, like, a huge point of season 1 was that Subaru was into Amelia and Amelia was not into him and the show repeatedly condemns him for fixating on earning Amelia's love and for acting like someone who thinks their the protagonist of their own personal anime. I would not be surprised to see this fly over people's head. Like, there were some lore bits about a dragon putting the world together or something? Don't remember. I'd bet money that there are quite a few people speculating on that rather than engaging with the show's themes about self respect. Tho I don't really engage in anime fandoms, even for shows I really liked, outside of the 2003 adaptation of Fullmetal Alchemist. And I think that one's mostly habitable because the particular flavor of mindless weebs have long since jumped ship to Brotherhood because it more closely follows the plotline and characterization of the manga while having higher budget animation. Even when 03 is the far both bloodier and darker than Brotherhood and has a more comic-book looking art style. From what I've seen, most of the complaints are people fixating on the fact that none of the characters from the fascist military are depicted as heroic figures and that certain characters from BH aren't present in 03. I swear most of the complaints hurled at 03 from BH stans are shit like "Mustang isn't as likeable" when, like, the whole point of Mustang in 03 is that he's objectively irredeemable while still being sympathetic. Tho I think the actual reason why BH stans get so derisive of 03 is that 03 is a genuinely deep morally grey show with heavy themes and a lot to say about those themes, which makes people uncomfortable, while BH is more about mass appeal and alluding to themes without asking the audience to actually think about those themes, which makes the show sound smart because you can say "BH talks about genocide" without having to really address the same level of discomfort that "03 says not doing anything about genocide makes you among the people responsible for it" comes with. Especially when, with that theme in particular, BH depicts its genocide much more sanitarily than 03 does. There's definitely other anime fandoms that are probably fine. I don't really engage with the Pokemon anime's fanbase because I'm not really interested in hearing people complain about parts of the anime that I think are very good but also not significant enough to bitch about to the extent that people do. Stuff like Sun & Moon's change in both art style and tone from XY or Goh being the best character (because I vibe with him, all other characters can objectively fuck off). Like, SM and Journeys both do away with anime's typical formula of Ash being a beginner trainer and learning. In SM, he's on vacation, in Journey's he's doing research. Which are both really good formats for the anime and helped make them feel distinct from each other. Overall grade, weebs are allergic to good media as they will bash shows for their best qualities and praise shows for inconsequential shit. Probably nothing new, but I felt like talking about those specific anime because I like them :)

As someone who tends to hyper fixate on things that I really like, these videos have really given me a lot to think about in terms of how I consume different media content and how I choose to respond to them. I remember when TTG first premiered its trailer at a convention panel I went to many years ago (I think I was about 17 at the time) and I was actually excited, not because I thought I was getting more of the show that I enjoyed growing up but because it looked really funny. I instantly knew based on the art style that it was gonna be it’s own thing and while I still miss the original, I was content with the run that it had. And when the show finally aired and I watched a few episodes, I realized that it wasn’t my type of humor and I just went on with my life. Because I had other things that I liked to watch waiting for me and I wasn’t filled with so much insecurity and bitterness that I had to let anyone in my vicinity know how upset I was that a modern cartoon was not catering to me specifically. 2011 Thundercats was visually appealing and that was it. I watched the entire run of that show and could only remember maybe a handful of the stories it told. I actually really liked the more goofy character designs of Thundercats Roar because the concept itself is very goofy. Cartoons are supposed to be fun, and this one had a lot of personality that wasn’t just more lore and edge. One thing that I always thought was funny about the complaints of Cal-arts was that the most common argument was that a lot of the main character designs had the same very basic facial structure, ignoring the fact that the character design extends to just one or two characters in each show. Anyone who so much as look up the rest of the character cast can see that there is more variety beyond their “bean mouth” and chubby cheeks. Their “argument” is that flimsy and any person who claims they have a valid point deserves to get shaken up in a Pringles can.

@cosmicspacething3474

Жыл бұрын

You’re lucky. I actually liked ttg and watched it often before they shat on their own audience.

@deraybell9140

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes. They’re attempt to use meta humor.

@Mikescool444

Жыл бұрын

@@deraybell9140 if the show wasn’t unpopular enough, they then went on to act smart.

Honestly, I don’t understand the crave for nostalgia. I was a 2000s kid who never watched ATLA (but I watched Legend of Kora then fell off the wagon.) My first real show besides SpongeBob was Gravity Falls and SVTFE. Even as I’m an adult now, I still peek in to Disney channel and happily watch Ghost of Molly McGee, TOH, etc. I don’t have any complaints, I take the cheesy kids shows I love and enjoy them. Maybe not watching ATLA ever has saved me.

The only way we get another Avatar again is if people stop trying to make Avatar again and just make good shows

never really understood why people are so damn scared of getting older in the first place. what are you still getting from staying stuck anyway?

@ayannabranchcomb7535

Жыл бұрын

Its so weird. And they also act like the old properties don’t exist anymore. If I wanna watch my childhood faves for some good feels, I can do that easily. But I’m not gonna shit on current disney, nick, cartoon network etc shows because they don’t appeal to me. They not trying to!! Last time I watched any of those channels fr I was worried about homework and if I looked cute in my school uniform. Now I’m worried about paying rent and tryna figure out wtf a 401k is. Two totally different people 😂

@user-lr8ow2jg4e

8 ай бұрын

People don't hate the cal art's style because it's not like the stuff they grew up with. They don't like it because it looks like garbage and it's being forced on most animated shows nowadays. Just because something has changed doesn't mean it's better.

the picture of steven with peters face will haunt my dreams... thanks

That teen titans go comment seems to mean popular=good The room is the perfect example of the opposite

Ok, first of all, great video, Lily, really found it to be something of an educational experience (I mean, I already knew that the term “Cal-Arts Style” was originally a term used to riff on the Iron Giant, but what I didn’t know was everything else you described here, quite eloquently I might add). So, I really must thank you for enlightening me with such info like this. Secondly (on a completely unrelated note), I just wanted to say that you have been quite an influence on a friend’s writing as of late (and by extension, mine), though I’m sure you get told that a lot. But all in all, I definitely do think that it bears repeating here since I imagine not a lot of people give you a lot of credit where such credit is due (or want to, particularly out of a selfish pride that they themselves want to admit to themselves). Thirdly (and this is back on the topic of this video), it really says something about some of my favorite shows as of late, since as much as people want the next Avatar, I just simply want another one of my all-time favorite cartoons, such as Ben 10: Omniverse and Kaijudo (which is a reboot of an anime based on a trading card game, and no, I’m not talking about Yu-Gi-Oh! or whatever card game anime Bushiroad has made in recent years), but if they were part of a much bigger interconnected universe, much akin to what Marvel and DC are doing right now (tho ironically enough, considering that with Ben 10, we did end up getting a taste of that with Generator Rex’s crossover and The Secret Saturdays’s crossover respectively). That said, I mostly say that because I’m currently working on my own series that took a lot of inspiration from these cartoons I’ve come to know as my all-time favorites (among other things).

i find it so weird that people focus on the animation and i see it in a lot of communities i follow. people will say "oh the city and lighting looks better", but really? thats the argument? i like what i like because of solid characters and fun stories

@user-lr8ow2jg4e

8 ай бұрын

Yea what type weirdo is going to focus on the animation in an animation. What's next focusing on writing in a book?

Yeah, Ghibli films make you feel warm and want to start a family, while shows like S Universe and the like make you want to set your TV on fire. This isn't an uncommon criticism. If the show isn't worth watching, it wasn't worth creating it in the nature we saw it. Many things seem pushed to platforms much higher than they should have ever been on. If S Universe was such an amazing story, it would hold up with sloppy animation, which as you said, it doesn't. Things evolve, and the art style isn't the problem, it's everything surrounding it and associated with the art style. Miyazaki also misses a lot, it's just nice to watch something that like really resonates with you, even if it's perhaps SOLELY the animation. You hit the nail on the head with your argument, and we would probably all tolerate the bean-smile if it wasn't so smug in the face of criticism that it blindly ignored.

I feel out of the loop honestly when it comes to this of discourse because when I was a kid I didn't have access to any cartoons or anything like that, it was only when I was 14 that I got an internet connection that resulted in me checking out cartoons that I herd of growing up, and I'll be honest, the only time I've ever been annoyed by an art style change was with the Ben 10 reboot and a lot of my favourite shows did end up being really varied in art style (from Generator Rex to Transformers Prime) and the weird thing is that I've seen dramatic and edgy done well, it's not hard to do it's just that the writer needs to pull his head out of his ass and have some life experience to actually know the message to tell.

@eanna3781

Жыл бұрын

Apologies for the brick of text

When you have to stop the video and laugh for a whole minute "Hulk Hogan by wizards of the coast"

Warners Bros did make an animated version of Dark Knights Return ....and it's every bit as pretentious as the comic was. They even did that thing a lot of the big movies based on books thing and split it into two parts. ....I dont have a larger point to make, your line of "They just want Dark Knight Returns but animated" reminded me that it exists.

I have a friend who was complaining about teen titans go recently but when I asked her when was the last time she actually watched the original she had a pretty hard time answering that question. I feel like a lot of people have this strong unwillingness to interrogate their own kneejerk nostalgia-based reactions, so that they don't have to confront the flaws of what they grew up with in fear of losing those happy memories. How often do you think any of these people actually revisit older stuff they liked as a kid on their own? I love halo combat evolved and regularly replay it to this day but nostalgia can only ever wallpaper cracks and gaps that are apparent to everyone else, expecially in a time where so many other videogames has never been more accessible. Looking to the future can be scary and yes sometimes the old thing is, in fact, better. But the things we remember will always override the deluge of garbage that came along with it.

People aren’t tiered of “serious” stories. They are tiered of a good start and a shit ending. That’s why so many animes are disappointing. They promise you one thing with season 1 and don’t give it to you in season 2.

I agree, what makes a show rememberable is the story although, calart and the anime art style work fundamentally the same, both in their mediums share similar styles but have details drawn differently to make them stand out from one another, Western media does have better quality control with what shows are released compared to what shows come out of Japan, but I don't agree that the anime art-style has gotten worse, I think it has actually improved over the years.

@georgeorwell4181

Жыл бұрын

Cause anime is objectively awful

@crazycookie4645

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s more that ninety-nine percent of all anime look the same these days. The only anime I’ve seen that actually look fully distinctive from the crowd are JoJo’s Bizarre Adventures (because of how over-stylized it is) and Perfect Blue (because all of the characters, except the lead, were designed to look like actual Japanese people and not fetishized aracial caricatures). I think it’s more about the hypocrisy of weebs whining about how all Western cartoons look the same, while gushing nonstop over anime that all also look the same. Plus, not realizing that the CalArts style they claim to hate so much is clearly anime-inspired.

@alwest4472

Жыл бұрын

@@georgeorwell4181 alright George, go back to writing middle aged men screwing young women

I was cracking up so much in the first five minutes especially the he-man retrospective - 'hulk hogan by way of wizards of the coast' is so hilariously accurate!!! It's honestly so true, if they ever got another avatar they would want to burn it to the ground faster than anything they consider 'woke' today. Anyway I love your videos and can't wait for more

The thing you’ll notice when people complain about modern media being the same is that they never look at the industry as a whole. If your mad at that the current lineup of animated shows are all comedies, you’re an idiot because you’ve restricted your searches to one specific category. If you want to watch a drama, then watch a drama instead of trying to mould what’s supposed to be a comedy into a drama. This isn’t even a problem with animation, this is a problem with modern criticism. If you’re going to criticise a comedy for example. Talk about how it’s a bad comedy rather than a product in general. If the film, show or game fails at it’s genre. Then it fails at being a good product all together. You can say a show like TTG fails at being a comedy for kids, that’s fine. But if you’re going to say that it fails at replicating the dramatic tension that wasn’t even in the original, then that’s the kind of criticism that’s going to be considered bullshit, no matter how many ‘this is just my opinions’ you put in-front of your arguments. Judge a product based off it genre and not off what you personally think people have to watch.

1:52 The true bean mouth was actually chibi studios, WHAT A TWIST

@danieladamczyk4024

Жыл бұрын

Osamu Tezuki did this before it was cool.

Toby Fox didn’t actually do Undertale’s art. Undertale was a two-person job, and Temmie Chang did the art. Also it doesn’t even have CalArts style???

@phoe9635

Жыл бұрын

she talked about sans, and tbh he has the most basic design ever lmao. also sans was created and designed by toby first - not tem

I personally grew up with the newer, bean mouth cartoons. I loved them. I personally dislike the artstyle now, but I think I hate anime even more. These people whine about a lack of adult cartoons, when there are adult cartoons. These people want anime infecting children's cartoons, which is even weirder, because.. Why don't you just stick to your own toxic weeb fandom? These cartoons are made for children. Why why why, do you want them to be violent adventure fantasy with high stakes? Because then it will be 'mainstream'? Why can't people be content with what they have? What makes this so funny to me is that you have endless pits of meaningless mindnumbing adult fantasy mush to consume, yet you don't, and are instead watching cartoons, that supposedly don't appeal to you. Like... there's clearly a reason you are asking for this, which is that the content you currently have supplying it is subpar. It's like.. "I have endless content that appeals to me, yet I choose to ignore it to focus on these kids cartoons, because I cannot live with the reality that I am projecting and that maybe the genre I want so much kind of sucks, and that is why I am ignoring it to push it onto mainstream children's media! Hoorah, I am a smart and well put together adult!!"

The hilarious thing about the hardcore anime fans of all people complaining about the "Cal-arts style" is that 99% of anime plots these days are just horny Mad Libs. I swear to god they pull them out of a hat. Y'all seen the trailer for the new movie from the guy that made "Your Name"? Male love interest gets turned into a chair. Not even remotely joking. That's the plot.

@jossebrodeur6033

Жыл бұрын

Modern anime is so formulaic that I honestly can't watch most of it. There are maybe one or two shows a year worth watching, and most of the time they're shows that aren't popular. In lieu of that, at least the chair movie is doing something unique unlike the majority of the medium.

@ayleth891

Жыл бұрын

Chairem Anime from ProZD is real?

@felipeguedescampos851

Жыл бұрын

They often just ignore all the trash in the anime industry, all season are filled with a lot of generic Isekai, but weebs often act like they don't exist when they do those comparisons with the western media

Wow according to the writer strike and cartoon network's building shutting down, apparently you're not reading the room or art community that won't stay complacent. IIt's called learning to grow and honing your craft junior.

I had a Cheshire Cat grin when reading the title of this video on my Gmail notifications. Fantastic video as always!

wait till a lot of these people calling the "beanmouth" shows "calarts" realise where a lot of the showrunners of their favorite shows growing up graduated from

"I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was, Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems scary to me, and it'll happen to you too" Some people just can't accept changes.

I love anime, it’s one of the main media I consume, but I 100% agree with you, most people will ignore bad writing because, “animation good” or “wifu” honestly it’s the main reason I just stick to games now

@user-lr8ow2jg4e

8 ай бұрын

Yes but it really shouldn't be the other way around. If that's the case, why make it animated.

i love the idea of old men stamping their lil feet over modern cartoon visuals lmao, great video as usual lily! ^_^

@dtown313

Жыл бұрын

Lol young people are always so arrogant. Modern cartoons are trash.

@orangeslash1667

Жыл бұрын

@@dtown313 Maybe that s why anime is so popular???

@Regu269

Жыл бұрын

@@orangeslash1667 it is. Cause there's barely any western animation worth watching.

@orangeslash1667

Жыл бұрын

@@Regu269 In addition some western shows being inspired by anime, like Teen Titians, Avatar, W.I.T.C.H, and most importantly Castlevania.

@Randomlad56

Жыл бұрын

@@dtown313 indeed

I'm embarassed to admit I didn't know what Cal-Art was short for until now

One thing I can always appreciate from your videos is that I'll always hear something that makes me think about why I like things

Yeah the exact same things happening in the monster high fandom. People were hissing and crying that they changed literally anything about it. But the second the dolls and show came out they went “wait it’s GOOD???” Cause it’s still pretty much the same show they just made the fish girl pink, and the Frankenstein character nonbinary 😆😆😆

@scarletletter4900

Жыл бұрын

Wait, that was it? A pallet swap and some new pronouns? That's literally nothing to be upset over.

@shadowsorceress5958

Жыл бұрын

I think whining that Frankie was made nb is stupid, since more nb representation, especially in a property all about being confident in who you are, is great. And style changes are expected, since new looks for the dolls means more dolls to sell and more profit. I haven't seen the new show, but from the movie, I definitely wouldn't call it good. They had some diverse personalities in the original. They were somewhat bare bones, yes, at the end of the day it was about toy sales not fantastic characters, but the new characters all feel exactly the same, aka, no flaws other than maybe slightly awkward, all outgoing and bubbly, all intelligent, and witty

@Crazygamergal

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowsorceress5958 the movies got killer songs tho, it’s a campy quirky lil flick that’s great to watch with friends. The show tho feels a lot closer to the original tone wise!

@Crazygamergal

Жыл бұрын

@@scarletletter4900 they also complained about them choosing to give a character a slightly larger body build💀

@scarletletter4900

Жыл бұрын

@@Crazygamergal that's still nothing to be upset about

Oh wow, you mean weebs are often terminally online creeps? News to me!

@graysonllewellyn8734

Жыл бұрын

@@VietReze Are you... trying to equate "liking anime to a point of your own detriment" with something immutable like race/sexuality/etc?

A better name for the art style of these shows is “Post-Modern Ghibli”

Man, I always learn so much about animation when I listen too you thanks. How ever I do have to admit I would love another avatar and, I am a little confused as to why so many adults are mad at kids shows for being for kids. Adult anime exists just watch that and have fun!

This is nice, a well researched and entertaining video at the same time :).

I never once thought these so called “Cal Art style” cartoons looked similar.

well, no idea what "calarts style" is but I'm interested in learning about this apparently fictional thing. it's always wild to hear about something for the first time (or at least the first time that I remember) in this way.

I loved the 2011 Thundercats, Craig of the Creek has a lot of good representation, and I’d be lying if I claimed I didn’t enjoy some parts of Teen Titans Go.

@danieladamczyk4024

Жыл бұрын

TTG have a great writing.

@sirubisan698

11 ай бұрын

@@danieladamczyk4024 of course. That's why they treated with the same feeling as The Simpsons is with: Apathy

@danieladamczyk4024

11 ай бұрын

@@sirubisan698 Depends on the person.

The fanart at 10:23 I know that face and pose What show did it come from

@abbieananas

Жыл бұрын

Harley Quinn, Stephanie/Clayface made that pose

@sillyb.swirls5155

Жыл бұрын

@Velvet exactly

@sillyb.swirls5155

Жыл бұрын

@@abbieananas omg thank you

Finally, someone who I can agree with in terms of what the loud opinions on new things actually are.

The image that is widely used to "prove" calarts straight up alters the characters out of proportion to look the same too. Sans literally never has that "calarts" look in any sprite in undertale or deltarune for example

@user-lr8ow2jg4e

8 ай бұрын

Yes but even if you were to keep them on model. They still have the same shape in eyes mouth and facial features. Not precisely but accurately.

I did an animation major and we were literally told the best way to make characters expressionate was to enlarge their eyes and mouths. And also make their eyes as circular as possible. The Simpsons were one of the first to do this fully, but aspects have been used for humans and animal characters since animation began. Snow White has this with the Dwarfs. I don't like anime at all but I've still always made characters like this because it's just easier.

I mean...I like Teen Titans Go and Teen Titans... Wish people would be a little bit more honest with themselves. Not everything has to be grimdark ultra edgy to be for adults nor ultra sanitized goofy drama romps to be for kiddos. And if an adult likes something that appeals to kids, what's the problem here?

I'm honestly surprised you didn't make a "CalArts" version of the puppet just to mock people with it. People need to grow up and stop throwing tantrums over their own insecurities. Like seriously, a LOT of the shows I've watched and liked had female main characters I'd buy the dolls of. (Action figures according to them.) So quit with the nonsense, shut up, and enjoy your dumb comedy shows already.

If you want to talk about shows with technically atrocious animation but great writing, look at shows like Squidbillies and Home Movies.

@user-lr8ow2jg4e

8 ай бұрын

Those shows used their atrocious design to their advantage to go along with the weird tone of the series. The bean head's style's main purpose is nothing more than cutting corners.

I'm old. I grew up on Flintstones, Jetsons, Jabber Jaw, etc. I didn't care much for some of the 80's stuff except for anime and I loved the 90's all the way up to now. The new stuff is good to me all while still appreciating the old. Some people my age just want everything to stay the same, that's boring af.

I'm going to be honest and say that I disagree with some of the later parts about serious animated shows... the Thundercats show was honestly a good time and while it didnt sell toys which was why it failed that doesnt detract from the fact that it was good and could've done more. That also however doesn't devalue Roar since it is a kids show and it should then be treated as such... I also agree with the fact that similar styles isn't a bad thing and honestly I have no problem with simplistic styles because it enables the creators more time and space to focus on other things. In the end though the point is that you shouldn't complain about change for the sake of change or about how media doesnt connect with you when it isn't meant to, but that also doesn't mean that animation that is aimed at an older demographic can be separated off into crass Family Guy ripoffs and eDgY manga/anime because that's incredibly reductive.

Is the only reason why this video exists is because its used negatively?...

@theofthe2299

9 ай бұрын

correct

There have always been trends in art styles, any art community has them, people just want to throw a fit because their nostalgia isn't what's popular anymore.

@user-lr8ow2jg4e

8 ай бұрын

Have you considered that maybe one trend may be worse in every way than the others.

@tangletallonmeow

8 ай бұрын

​@@user-lr8ow2jg4eThen don't watch it. No art style will appeal to every person, no one's forcing you to watch it. As long as it's not racist or something it doesn't matter.

@user-lr8ow2jg4e

8 ай бұрын

@@tangletallonmeow Yes but you can still speak up about lazy shows like these so they'll stop making them.

using "weeb" interchangeably with "otaku" hurt my brain

How can one video have so many great takes and so many shit in a dumpster fire takes at the same time? Humanity continues to confuse the shit out of me.

Thundercats 2011 was tanked because of poor toy sales. I was one of the fans of that series but those toys were UGLYYYY!! They were little 4.5" action figures that just...looked and felt so cheap. I just couldnt get into them.

I feel we're not living like in the 20th century anymore

I totally agree with you about the importance of writing over art style because one of my favorite comfort cartoons is Home Movies and idc about the simple art at all because I love the interactions so much

I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for this video. Ever since you make the "Steven Universe Is Garbage And Here's Why" video I was always curious what the hell Cal Arts Style was because I had never heard of that before until that video. Then I go on Twitter to look and it up and well let's just say everything you said here was exactly my reaction when it was mainly weebs with anime profile pictures bitching about it. Granted I'm a bit of a weeb myself but I don't make it my whole identity to the point where I don't want to watch something just because it's not anime inspired. I'm a pretty basic person when it comes to cartoons or just TV shows in general, As long as I'm laughing I'll keep watching. Great video as always Lilly

I never minded the art stlye the simple puffy bean mouth look just tickles a spot in my brain that make it ooooh yeeaahh that hits the spot. Side note love the new puppet

As a former animator, people really need to get over cartoons being "different" now. Everything changes. Half of their favorite shows growing up were bad anyway. Doesn't mean they can't enjoy trash, but to assume modern day cartoons are bad simply because it doesn't look the way they want it and/or because they are no longer the target demo is childish. I'm all about viewing things with a critical eye even when you enjoy them, but the amount of adults claiming they don't like the art style in current children shows is ridiculous. Who cares? It's not made for them anyway. I completely agree with this video and I'm personally still annoyed at the hate the new Thundercats got.

That last sentence is the equivalent of dropping a frag grenade into a room and then leaving.

@danieladamczyk4024

Жыл бұрын

More like fart and then leaving.

Another thing about a lot of shows is cramming people into things they don't know how to do. Animators don't always make the best writers. Animators also have a nightmare workload, and having someone to do colours or backgrounds is lifesaving. Like if I was expected to animate all of a sudden, everything would go down hill. I can write, and voice act with good range. Sure, I can do some mockup storyboards to show the storyboard artists what I generally want, but make me actually animate the dang thing, and I will slowly breakdown. Also keep in mind that some networks are trying to fight with you every step of the way, and they are just there to make money, while everyone else is trying their best to make art come to life. Here is a prayer that the animation industry goes through a massive revival in creative freedom now that everyone is sick of reboots. Love y'all.

Lmaoo people over the age of 18 who get pissy about kids cartoons not being mature enough for them are so strange. What happened to just growing out of things and moving on to things that suit your current life stage? I genuinely believe fanfic culture has done a number on our brains as a society 😂😂 like babes that grimoire mature rated AU you read last year is just that, an alternate universe. Loosen up

@user-lr8ow2jg4e

8 ай бұрын

You can say the same for the people who like this sort of media to the point of actively defending it for it's objective flaws

Really good video! Who was that guy in the gravity falls picture tho

People in the animation community need to act like an actual community instead of a fucking cult. Just because not everyone in the world is a cartoon fan like you are doesn’t mean your any less valid for liking cartoons in the first place. Everyone has their own interests and liking/watching cartoons is not for everyone AND THATS OKAY. If some ppl are mocking you for liking cartoons, just ignore them. They’re a loud minority but that doesn’t mean you have to take it out on the rest of the world and force them to watch cartoons so you can feel more validated

I don’t understand why these people just don’t make an anime. Why circle the pool side wanting to go in, instead of just swimming? P.S. Last sentence of the video warms my heart.

@BeansRiceCornandSpice

Жыл бұрын

Because then you get High Guardian Spice, a show made by weebs for weebs that the rest of the weebs hated because it wasnt plastic shiny animated and the lesbians didn't have megatron tits

@scarlet8992

Жыл бұрын

Because anime made by Americans tends to be looked down on or hated or not considered anime its a dumb argument trust me

@scarlet8992

Жыл бұрын

@@b.bird. ehh I’ve seen and heard of some fucked up shit in anime so more likely it would just be bad and no one would watch it I doubt it would be vile trust me

@OracleSpeaking8

Жыл бұрын

Because making an anime is hard, actually, and also it turns out the anime industry is churning them out like a firehose yet not that many are successful or even do better than 'good enough to fund making the next one on the same shoestring budget' and the realistic outcome is that these folks don't instantly have success and therefore immediately give up.

@scarlet8992

Жыл бұрын

@@OracleSpeaking8 not to mention the animators are treated kinda like shit and are barely paid

As an animation student in my last year, I'd rather change careers than be forced to both storyboard and essentially write the script. Like holy that sounds absolutely awful. Just hire writers and pay them fairly! Without them everything would fall apart! As for hand-drawn animation? Nah. Maybe if it was for a couple-second short or something I made in my free time to relax, but for an actual show/movie? No thanks unless crunch culture in the industry is dissolved.

I remember how back with the 2010s thundercats it got the EXACT same crap as Roar got just now, people who grew up with the look of the 80s cartoon bitching that the new show looked like the current cheap animation style. The 2010's show was actually supported by the network but it actually wasn't lack of popularity that killed it, not directly that is, some real world turmoil happened and suddenly the show became MUCH more expensive to make then they initially budgeted and when the toys underperformed they couldn't justify keep making a kinda popular pretty alright cartoon of it's era that wasn't selling merch. Shame about both thundercat's reboots

7:57, This better be sarcasm.

Ah we're finally having this video. Agreed it's always bothered me that the term has persisted for so long

God, Tokyo Ghoul really is the best anime to use for that point too; an edgy stupid mess.

@lyokhamishukov3513

Жыл бұрын

In ironically, Tokyo Ghoul is the best example because of how much the anime does a disservice to the manga. The manga is actually fairly deep and introspective, and so much of it is changed in the anime. The existence of the anime actively made perception of the work as a whole worse

@shadowknight3035

Жыл бұрын

@@lyokhamishukov3513 I doubt the manga was better

@shadowknight3035

Жыл бұрын

@@itzYonko Sick burn dude really good stuff, no I mean it I mean takes talent to be that insecure about someone criticizing your precious poorly written edgelord garbage.

I was smiling and nodding along to this whole video. Except that last line about Teen Titans Go, that one got me.

See I have always said that Steven universe stylistically reminded me of early dragon ball and sailor moon those shows always tended to go all bean mouth on expressions more then weebs like to admit.

Ngl I was obsessed with that "serious" thunder cats reboot. Tried to watch it when I wasn't a pick me 13 year old and it's not great. The voice acting is very good though

It annoys me how much people bitch and moan about this prolonged idea that animation styles are getting lazier and pointing to fucking Gumball of all shows, when that show has one of the more unique art styles out there. Especially given the fact that the shows people say are pioneers of a quote "better era" are mostly just anime knock-offs like Avatar.

You're video are progressively getting better Lily! Keep the good work, it's always fun to listen to you talking about different topics!

@TheQuirkyArtist

Жыл бұрын

Ikr, I always find myself playing a Playlist while drawing or writing and don't know how many times I've drawn her puppet character, though I'll admit the Grey puppet from. Her early work is my favorite for some reason

It's funny, I find that I liked the older seasons of family guy and American Dad, but also anime like Highschool DxD , and Rosario Vampire, but also Initial D and Arcane. Paradise PD and Big Mouth are also in the running , I find my entertainment is a lot like a food appetite, plenty of good stuff but also some garbage comfort food to just enjoy

Aw man, she bashing on my boi Steven 😔 But yes, I do agree it’s an animation phase. It is nice there is more variety as of recently tho!

i completely agree on the anime take. im personally fond of the 2000s style/era because i grew up with it but the humans still resembled humans. i haven't watched anime in ages but whenever i see a new show get popular i always question how can people even enjoy these things. that new cyberpunk show looks so far up it's own ass but every weeb who hasn't seen any natural light in years is drooling over it. i miss fun shows like lucky star and nichijou

I remember watching this one show and it was really horribly animated but the storyline was so good that I somehow stuck with it. I regret nothing.

@Topdoggie7

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderchamberlain9285 God no. RWBY doesn't have good anything and it profits off a murdered man's dream. Screw that noise.

@user-lr8ow2jg4e

8 ай бұрын

Yes but wouldn't that show be better if it wasn't horribly animated. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

@Topdoggie7

8 ай бұрын

@@user-lr8ow2jg4e Good writing check. Good animation. Not check.

This reminds me of Pokemon game animation whining, because Pokemon is also a gigantic toy commercial but so many people arent ready to accept that. So it continued with whining about trees and reused animation, and I'm pretty sure Pokemon Scarlet and Violet will get the same treatment with the same complaints.

@CHAOTICMASTER33

Жыл бұрын

I will say part of that was backlash to dexit and how the devs claimed dexit had to happen to benefit the animation. There is definitely a degree of adults mad that a kids series isn't making them the new target demographic though.

“OH THATS RIGHT! THEY’RE ALL FUCKING *WEEBS*!!!” I burst out laughing at that, thank you for the laugh 🤣

"Something is cute in a way I don't like, how dare you!" Oh boy here we go again.

You'll never see a more rabid group of people than 30 year old, concerningly nostalgic, og trilogy Star Wars fans who foam from the mouth at teenage girls getting psychologically tormented in a ""baby"" show.

That’s what my therapist said.

While I found several of the things you said hard to hear I can't help but agree. I've found that I've grown pickier with what tv shows, movies, and video games that I like as I've grown up, because I found that too many are concerned with being mature and not about being good. Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin (yes that's the real mouthful of a title it has) doesn't even feel like a Final Fantasy game, let alone the original Final Fantasy, a fun D&D-esq game, that it's based on. It's too concerned with having generic edgy 2000s male white protag full of single-minded rage that's SO COOL and BETTER than the original Warrior of Light (that you get to stab to death in the DLC) than it is with having a good story or characters (both are of those things are non-existent). And it takes me a while to give some other shows like Cyberpunk Edgerunners (genuinely great, btw) a try because of all the praise it was getting from the anime community, half the time whatever the anime community likes I find fairly generic and uninteresting, finding more enjoying with older anime that either have something interesting to say or are just trying to have fun. I feel like I'm constantly experiencing FOMO with media these thanks to the constant deluge of social media (even though I'm not on social media that much). I'm having to constantly sift through either stuff that ranges from "okay" to "garbage" (like Kill la Kill, god help me...) to find anything good. And that good stuff is usually things that I initially get pushed away from thanks to a bunch of previously poor experiences with other media and the fanbases that like it.

I tried watching both teen titans go and thunder cats roar. I disliked them both immensely and I genuinely prefer their anime inspired predecessors. But I can tell that is not want American animation is currently doing and I’m fine with that. I just don’t watch new American animation and that is that.

I just hope to God Ian Jones Quartey changed his mind about the whole story board writing thing after working on his own show, OK KO.

@theultimatesagavan6287

Жыл бұрын

@@artwtsketchyt2407 Yeah I remember the first half of season 1 having colors that were often way too saturated. I think around the second half of season 1 is where the colors became a lot less bright and more easy on the eyes. Even when they changed the colors to be more saturated in season 3, it was still pleasing to look at.

@theultimatesagavan6287

Жыл бұрын

@@artwtsketchyt2407 I feel like the reason I didn't really notice it when watching the episodes was because despite some episodes feeling kinda generic during the first half of season 1 (which was definitely the crew still trying to find its footing), there were still a lot of good episodes carried by the writing with the comedy and characters.