I am an ATSV owner and agree with much of what you said about the interior. Its ok..but for $72k I would have expected it to be more refined. Cue is not that bad. It’s pretty simple so I don’t understand what most peoples issues are with it. As a daily driver it’s great to take on road trips, or drive to the track and flog it it hard. I think that is where most people who drive it fall in love with it...that’s the ATSV’s real sweet spot. Thanks for the review!

@willesco5211

3 жыл бұрын

Im buying one is there any mechanical issues you can tell me about? Much appreciated Im getting a 2017 one with less then 40k miles

@bigguccikyle9977

11 ай бұрын

just bought a 2016 with 36k miles for $37k

@rileyharvey2373

Ай бұрын

@@willesco5211have you had any issues i just bought one and see you have probaly had yours for a while ?

I just traded my 16 M4 for a 19 ATS-V (both 6mt). I think your review is spot on. I enjoy the day to day comfort of the V, even if the interior is a notch below the BMW. The performance metrics are close enough it just comes down to personal preference. The manual in the ATS-V also has no lift shifting which is great fun. For me, the M4 performs so well, it kind of feels sterile. I feel like the Caddy has more character.

@pierogiguy

4 жыл бұрын

I love my '17 ATS-V sedan...iit gets so much respect on the road -- everyone seems to love it, as even in metro Detroit you rarely see an ATS-V on the road.

@JAnx01

3 жыл бұрын

"For me, the M4 performs so well, it kind of feels sterile." I disagree with that. The ATS-V's handling is capable and considered to be the best in class by many, but it's all down to being augmented with brakes and you can never turn that system completely off. The F30 M3/M4 actually feel more raw and hot-roddy with their stability control off and their flawed characteristics become visible as opposed to the ATS-V that always hides them with that augmentation. The true nature of the chassis is never revealed to you.

@weltonmurray6744

Жыл бұрын

The caddy is awesome I have always purchased corvettes when it comes to performance which I still have but the caddy is awesome!!!!!!!! Cudos to GM and cadillac engineers for giving us this car !

Just discovered your channel. Great job, you’re very well spoken and eloquent. Would love to test these two back to back like you did. Subbed and keen for more!

Great video! I wouldn't mind lining up next to Alvin some day, show him more of what a V can do! That M is sharp, though.

I have a CTS V-Sport I just recently got it tuned it's been hands on tuned via HP Tuners on E47 (50% 91 octane and 50% E85) and it makes 529WHP and 533 Ft. LBS with just a drop in K&N filter and muffler delete, besides that it's all factory. It's pretty hot right now where I live, in the 100's. Once it cools down those numbers will certainly go up a lot more. For a daily driver it's a blast to drive. She eats well on WOT, hooks on a launch well for a factory suspension car.

Good grief...there’s nothing special about the F30 (BMW) interior. I own one, and it’s widely acknowledged as one of the poorest interiors in its class. Honestly, the only real letdown with the ATS interior is the gauge cluster, which is horrific.

@Zygrene

4 жыл бұрын

To me, the design of the Cadillac interior makes it feel cheap. Glossy plastic, angular AC vents, swooshes/swoops across the dash. BMW's design is simpler but more elegant.

@killakam123321

2 жыл бұрын

They now have a digital swap you can do to upgrade the cluster. The one thing stopping me from getting a ats-v has been solved aftermarket. Im so glad tbh

@jamesb2291

Жыл бұрын

I have an ATS 2.0t and agree about the interior feeling a bit cheap. It's not terrible but it definitely could be nicer.

Don't forget you have about a 100 lb difference in passenger weight also. I'm sure that made a huge difference. The only real way to compare these cars would be to drive both without passengers on and off the track.

*Warning* I've cross shopping this two cars, if you are a tall guy 6'4" and plan to track it watch out. With a helmet I can not sit up in the ATS V coupe with sunroof. ATS V sedan I can! M4 with helmet, sunroof I can sit up but a tiny bit tighter than the ATS V sedan with sunroof. ATS V no sunroof, plenty of room. I haven't tried M4 without a sunroof yet.

What model year is the ATS-V? Where do you live and what temps are you in while driving?

by the way, my license plate is "IEATM3S"

Does this yesr ats v come with apple car play?

Was this on Mines Road on the way up to Mt. Hamilton?

This car is an steal on the aftermarket if you can find one! Manual are extremely hard to come by

The only downfall of the ATS-V is they gave up on it too early. Should’ve kept the sedan and mixed the coupe. The CT4 styling isn’t nearly as identifiable as the old styling, but I get making something less polarizing; you either love the old ones or you don’t, very little in between.

Always wanted an ATS-V. Bought a 10th gen civic si instead

Very nice, keep up the reviews.

Seems similar to my experience. When I test drove an ATS V coupe 2 things stood out to me, how crappy the interior was for it's price and how easy it was the break traction (even in dry). It was really fast too! Honestly I wanted to like it more than I did though.

@JamesAMG

4 жыл бұрын

Snow_White_MR2 weird how impressions can be so different. In warm and dry conditions these cars hook extremely well. Like mash the peddle from a stop and it just hooks. How can anyone expect traction to be good in cool wet conditions? Interior is good...love all the alcantara.

@Jesusprayerwarriorbw

4 жыл бұрын

My car in this video had bald tires. Trying to get our schedule conflicts sorted out to get a better idea of handling

@SnowWhiteMR2

4 жыл бұрын

@@JamesAMG does it have a launch control? If it does it might hook better with that, and I didn't try it. That said with a sudden stab of the pedal even at a 30 roll I could peel out. The interior over all wasn't bad, but the center of the steering wheel really brothered me. It was a cheap feeling, hard obviously plastic piece. I couldn't understand why the thing right in front of my face looked worse than my 93 Toyota, Mazda3 or even the Ford Fiesta Titanium. Still a cool car, and was rooting for the different option. Just didn't do it for me.

@SnowWhiteMR2

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jesusprayerwarriorbw tires make a huge difference for sure

Since the value of both have sank like a brick,do you think an ATS-V or a CTS V-Sport would be better?The ATS costs $100 more for insurance for me but I know its faster

@TroIIingThemSoftly

4 жыл бұрын

ATS-V for sure. Better chassis, suspension, and engine.

I have bigger chance to see unicorn than the Cadillac here in UK but good video.

@rphash49

4 жыл бұрын

Only 4000 ATS-V were made from 2016 - 2019. I own one and have never seen another on the road.

@damionhill154

4 жыл бұрын

Hilarious 😂

@germanengineering204

3 жыл бұрын

@@rphash49 I finally just saw one in Maine, and he went flying by me showing of in the middle of down town doing crazy speed lol! I was driving my new M240i, and he was trying to impress me, and race in a 25 mph zone lmao! It was a hell of a nice car I liked it a lot.😄

Just brought my atsv 16 it’s just badass

I got an ATS-V too so much fun😮‍💨

Man I need an ats v...

When going test drive the gt3?

The traction control wasn't on in the ATS-V too right?

@Zygrene

4 жыл бұрын

After the initial launch in track mode I put it back into sport with traction control on. Also, haven't seen you comment in what feels like years 😉

@ethownzbh

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zygrene Gotcha. And yeah lol I took a break from car stuff in general for a while. I've been catching up on some of your videos though. Glad to see you thriving.

What is considered to be light in today’s generation of mass produced cars? Everything is heavy according to journalists 😂🤷🏽‍♂️

@Zygrene

4 жыл бұрын

I'd say under 3300 lbs

Very nice comparo! The ATS-V is very compelling though the M4 is the standard. I have a question: I have a pair of 2007’s (Accord Coupe V6 6spd and Acura TL Type S 6spd)...if I had a budget of $40K what should I replace them with? I’d like a European sport sedan/coupe with a manual transmission if possible. Keep up the good work man!

@MasterResolve

4 жыл бұрын

Save a little more money and buy the new supra. People are making 500whp with just bolt ons and e85. The B58 is an absolute monster.

@Zygrene

4 жыл бұрын

I'll discuss this in the next ZCT!

@swpdisciple

4 жыл бұрын

Zygrene ok bet. To get an idea, you can see my cars on my channel.

@SilverScarletSpider

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe a manual transmission Genesis G70 or new 2020 Accord with the 290hp 2.0T Manual could be options. Or you maybe give the AWD manual Subaru WRX or WRX STi with 268hp and 305hp respectively a chance.

@swpdisciple

4 жыл бұрын

Dreamy the STI has always been on my radar. The issue is that my cars are high-value so I’d be giving up that bang for buck to get something better.

Ok but which ones faster bruh smh

Ats v is my next toy!

Sounds. Like. A. Toss. Up??!!!❤😮❤

@zygrene Hey, I have new tires on the V and would like a rematch. He had fresh rubber & i had killed mine at Thunderhill the previous day. Call me so we can get an update.

@TroIIingThemSoftly

4 жыл бұрын

The V's passenger looked like he weighed about 300 lbs too. Not really a fair comparison with the skinny kid that owned the M.

ATS-V looks neglected. Matter of fact the tires are several pounds underinflated (even after your drive) maybe next time inflate the ATS-V tires to the correct pressures for the street... it makes a difference.

@SofloExotics39

11 ай бұрын

Those oil temps are a bit concerning too, should be around 190-196 with the car sitting.

The e90 m3? You like this ats-v more?

@Zygrene

4 жыл бұрын

I've never driven an E90 in the canyons. Only around the block. The V8 is almost reason enough!

The general got it right in the V cars!!!!!

Used CTS Vsports are bargains atm

Ats v needs a diet and better transmission. The f80's chassis is just so stiff it feels motorsport from the start.

@Perazzi11

4 жыл бұрын

@Trevon Adams No need to insult me and then tell me what I have driven and what I have not. what you "believe" is also wrong the M4 starts off nearly 200 pounds lighter than the ATS-V as a simple google search can tell you this. The M-DCT is just a better transmission because it was designed for M cars not a crossover like the 8 speed in the GM cars. If you also watch technical videos on the F8x platform you will realize how rigid the chassis is.

@Mrmudbone_gaming

4 жыл бұрын

Mike Flores it needs a V8. That’s what it needs.

Wait I feel like you contradicted yourself at the end now I have to watch it again 😂

@Zygrene

4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't be surprised. I do that all the time lol

Love it

I hope someone lets you drive an Alfa Guilia quad

@Zygrene

4 жыл бұрын

Me too. At least in assetto corsa it's by far the best handling sedan 🙂

We need someone to transplant that motor into an awd platform!

😬 BMW FTW. I’m biased though . Great stuff !

@EliteOnTheBeat

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe in a M7 but definitely NOT in a M3 or a M4. Plenty of videos on youtube show ATS-V eating up beamers even the m5's, hell cats, mustangs and even c6's c and c7's. 🤣

To comper them you need m3 4 doors or ATS-V coupe

Alvin’s 2016 chipmunk. Pls tell me he named it chipmunk. Alvin come talk to me brother we can do this right. You chose alpine white so you’re clearly a man of taste.

for the half of those two cars put twin turbos on the vq35 in a infiniti g35 and catless downpipes plus add some big vossens or rotiforms with federal tires. You got yourself a car that looks better and faster than both of these cars

Bmw is the only way to go..

The ATS V is so bad inside for 2016 model yeah. GM plastic everywhere. Yikes. The ATS V is only interesting with a manual, GM slushboxes of this era a poor at best. V6TT sound is key at best. Not a performance car sound. Chasis is fantastic though

@swanblake

4 жыл бұрын

@Trevon Adams yes sir. I had one of these. I would know

Can someone say BIASED opinion? LOL YOU are literately the only BMW guy that i've seen on youtube that said that the BMW handles better.

When you really think about it it’s remarkable how many excuses are made for the NSX, it actually is one of the only cases where the excuses are actually the selling points

Yea just buy 4 door luxury sports car 😂

🤣 all have adaptive suspension and your missing the competition package...

@Zygrene

4 жыл бұрын

Adaptive suspension is an option in the M3/M4

POOR comparison M5 vs ATS-V is more of a fair comparison. BTW M4's weigh 3800+ lbs as well. At least the newer m4's....

I want to like the Cadilac, I want there to be more options and competion for the BMW M3. But that Cadilac just ain't it chief. The interior and build quality is rubbish.

@pierogiguy

4 жыл бұрын

spoken like someone who likely just watches reviews. I'm on my fourth new Cadillac over a 14-year period (first-gen CTS, second-gen CTS, ATS, ATS-V) and have only had 1 issue that had me at the dealer--and that was a new tranny install in my 2009 CTS...that is it.

@vincentv1790

3 жыл бұрын

@@pierogiguy as far as reliability of the ATS, which engines option do you have? 2.0T or the N/A 3.6? I want to get one used and have em for couple years. Thanks for your feedback

Get the real stuff: M4

Cadi is trash. It's like a Opel