BYU still blocked the kick.... Maybe if it would have been closer, the kicker would have been able to kick higher, but I don't think so. Still, I don't see anything wrong with Locker's celebration (Big BYU fan here!). I get taunting and show boating, but this was ridiculous.

@itsinthenet

6 жыл бұрын

Son of a UW graduate here. I think the call was good according to the rules. I just can't stand celebration rules. Rules regarding celebrations should go something like this: Don't taunt. Don't excessively delay the game.

@bryanross4127

4 жыл бұрын

BYU was aaaaaallll over that kick. That was not a deflection. That was blocked no matter what

I agree. 15 yards doesn't make a shit difference especially when their protection on the field goal folds like that.

I was in the student section for that game, and I have never been more angry in my whole entire life. I was so sad for about a week after that game. And especially since we didn't win a game all season, that could've been our 1 one win that season. I can't believe it to this day.

the question is would byu still have blocked the PAT without the penalty? Maybe maybe not. The penalty didn't lose the game. They still had a chance with the PAT and the line let them through. That's what sports is all about.

these officials won't judge many important games very soon

To me, it's like getting a ticket for going 56 in a 55 zone...

The other part of it is that they (BUY) could flat out rush the kicker without having to protect for the fake like you would had the ball been placed at the 2.5 yd line or if there were more time left in the game. The extra point is a pop-up chip shot that is much harder to block than a 35 yd field goal. Hindsight: with 11 men rushing the kick and if future coaches have the kahunaaz, a fake would have breezed in for 2 points. How many times will it be called with seconds remaining down 1pt?

Actually, the rule book states pretty clearly that the player can't throw the ball "high into the air."

That is a ridiculous argument!! The most important thing in officiating is consistency. If you would understand this call in the first half then you CAN'T argue it in the second half. They should call the same penalty consistently throughout the entire game. End of discussion. My hat is off to the refs for having the courage to call a penalty that is clearly defined in the rulebook even though they knew it would not make people happy. That takes a lot of courage.

@RockSmithStudio The farther the kick, the lower you have to kick the ball. On an extra point, most kickers kick it higher, so it probably would not be blocked. also the defense does not try as hard to block kicks when its only and extra point.

@OlinKreutzRules

Жыл бұрын

You just made my head hurt. What an incredibly ignorant comment you made.

You can't see if from this, but I was there and he chucked the ball 30 feet in the air. It's in the book.

Another dynamic of this game was that earlier in the 4th, safety Darin Harris was put on a backboard in a feared neck injury (reminding everyone of the UW's Curtis Williams tragedy in 2000) as players from both benches were huddling in prayer the players mother was being kept from running onto the field until the crowd starting booing for keeping her from him, then she ran onto the field to be with him. Later they determined it was a concussion, with no spine injury. The call was inappropriate.

an extra point is supposed to be kicked high and short to prevent blocking blocking. a field goal is supposed to be kicked long distance. if that was an extra point, the kick wouldnt have been blocked

This was actually one call the referees got right. Locker threw the ball high in air and broke the rule. The point is moot whether the rule belongs or not. It exists, and the onus was squarely on Jake Locker, golden boy of the Puget Sound, to not only take care of the ball while carrying it but to do the same in celebration. All the kid had to do was to just drop the ball. He could have been dog piled by his teammates, and that yellow flag would have stayed tightly secured in the ref's pocket.

i agree with the last two things you said but the first one is a way out there. even if they go undefeated they wouldnt have played big enough teams to earn their chance for a bcs title. But yeah, no one can say that byu didnt earn that win but that does not stop me from saying the ref should not have thrown that flag.

viewbody, RE: your first point.....there WAS a penalty called against BYU for their excessive celebration after the PAT was blocked.

I'm a football official and I agree that anti-celebration rules are needed. As an official and a fan I want to watch the game and not people dance around and act like idiots. Having said that I don't think Lockers actions are excessive. He spontaniously tossed the ball up and started to celebrated with his team mates. It's something I don't think I would have penalized. At least the didn't send it to video review. Now that's a joke, but a discussion saved for another time!

@360gamestrategies22 Yes it was blocked, but it changed the trajectory required.

regardless of what football "experts" are saying, the penalty had nothing to do with the kick. jan jorgensen was standing ON THE GROUND IN FRONT OF THE KICKER. he broke through the line, the ball didn't even make it to the leapers at the line of scrimmage. so all that crap about trajectory is stupid. the UW line broke down, jorgensen got in there and made the play. end of story.

the point of Offense is to score not gain yards.

This one penalty screwed over Washington's whole season. The NCAA is really taking the fun out of the game.

its too early to decide if a team deserves a bcs game but if the cougs keep playing the way their playing then no doubt they'll go to like a sugar or feista bowl.

yea but in that game the player threw his helmet while the play was still going on

I am a BYU fan and even I agree that call was sketchy. He didn't spike the ball in anyones face, no BYU player was near him. No one came off the bench and no one made any contact with any BYU player. I really don't understand the logic behind that call at all.

Rule 9-2-2: After a score or any other play, the player in possession immediately must return the ball to an official or leave it near the dead-ball spot. This prohibits: (a)Kicking, throwing, spinning or carrying (including off of the field) the ball any distance that requires an official to retrieve it.(b)Spiking the ball to the ground [Exception: A forward pass to conserve time (Rule 7-3-2-d)]. (c) Throwing the ball high into the air. (d) ... Looks like a fair call of a silly rule.

willeyhambone: If that is the way the rule reads thenl It is at the refs. discretion. It says "can be penalized" "not will be penalized" So he did have a choice and it is essentially a judgement call. Locker just flipped it over his back. He is just strong and it went high into the air. It is up to the ref to determine if it is unsportsman like. So those of you that say he had no choice are mistaken. The word can makes it an option not a requirement for a flag.

The law may have been served, but justice was not done.

BYU didn't NEED the blown call. They weren't relying on that to win the game. I was at the game, and we were all pretty much banking on going into OT. How did they know the refs were going to call that?? No one saw it coming until Locker spiked the ball.

Unless your trying to say it was just simple coincidence that the first three regular extra points were kicked in perfectly, but the last one that was 35 feet away was blocked, then yeah I guess the first three had nothing to do with any thing.

Who else is here for the 2019 game

If they went for the 2, Willingham would have been fired on the spot. I don't believe Jake Locker's actions were excessive, however the rules state that you can't throw the ball, and he clearly did because he was excited. In case no one noticed, BYU's entire bench gets penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct as well. Who's to say the kick wouldn't have been blocked, penalty or no penalty? I agree the PAC 10 officials suck, and the Huskies played well, but the ref was merely doing his job.

(this is an earlier comment)bs. watch the kick replay, all 11 defenders are able to rush the pat because UW has to go 18 yards instead of 3. BYU does not have to worry about a fake, they are able to rush 2 extra men and as a result block a lower trajectory kick, also a result from the 15 yard penalty. THE REFS BLEW IT!

It's ref gaffes like this that cost Miami a National Championship in overtime (and gave the Luckeyes their first title since 1968).

i'm not saying UW would have went for 2 i'm saying BYU did not have to respect the 2 pt conversion option.

Lmao PAC-10 broadcasting bias is hilarious. The main PBP guy sounds so pissed after the kick is blocked.

Again, the ball hit the guy in the chest. Jorgensen ran through that line like water through a seive. I don't care if they were kicking from the one-yard line, they wouldn't have made it. It doesn't matter what angle you're kicking at if your O-line can't block for you. If a guy is standing right in front of the ball before it is kicked, he's gonna block it, penalty or no penalty.

That is one of the worst calls I have ever seen. That ref deserves do get his ass kicked. It's a pure emotional celebration. It's not like they were just rollin the other team and he planned this out ahead of time.

I think that that call really pissed off Washington, Pretty bad.. I think that would affect their thinking and playing level

kicks are not blocked that often, but the farther away from the goal you get, the higher the miss and block % goes.

@OlinKreutzRules

Жыл бұрын

No shit, Sherlock. Did you know that if you have $100 dollars and you spend $39 dollars, you no longer have $100 dollars?

it is unfortunate but to keep the integrity of the game they are forced to make that penalty call it is in the rules about throwing the ball up now if he tossed it lightly over his shoulder thats one thing but it was clearly in the boundaries to call a penalty.

On top of that, if Harvey Unga wouldn't have fumbled on the 7 inch line, the game would have been over anyway...

wrong, its like comparing an car that scores 4 touchdowns to a car that scores 4 touchdowns.

Willingham was holding one finger up at 15 seconds. I don't know if he saw the flag at that point. I was thinking the same thing, I would have supported going for 2. Fake a lead for Locker and dump it to someone standing in the back of the endzone. Too much about being a Husky fan is fantasy these days. Good game though, I liked some of the freshman running backs that got some time.

The thing about the celebration penalty, that get me. Is that it is not call every time. It seem that any ref only call celebration penalty if they felt like it. I see a lot of game that it should be call but it ain't. I say they should call it all the time or not at all.

Right call.

ESPN only talked about this ONE call. Their were dozens of shitty calls all throughout the game, but nobody talked about them at all. The refs were blatantly favoring Washington the entire game - they missed about 10 holding calls on the final drive, and they only called 3 penalties on UW the ENTIRE GAME, but BYU was flagged like 11 or 12 times! Washington wasn't even close to being in this game if it wasn't for the biased PAC-10 refs.

Stupid rule, but a fair call. The rule should focus on taunting. Not generic celebrations. But the penalty is no excuse to lose the game. The refs didn't block the extra point.

Anybody pulling out the rule book, or saying that the call was right, is wrong. I don't care what the rule says. You could argue that the ball was being thrown TO THE OFFICIAL!!! He didn't stop and punt the ball in the crowd. He didn't pull out a Sharpie and sign it. He didn't dance around. This is simply a kid who scored the biggest touchdown of his life, and being punished for being happy about that. People don't pay to see the refs officiate.

This was the correct call and the NCAA wanted this called. Plain and simple. This is why players and coaches must know the rules. No different than if you spike the football and you do not see players in college and high school spiking the ball. LEARN THE DARN RULES AND YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT IS CALLED!!!!

@itsinthenet

6 жыл бұрын

This was a correct call by the rule. The rule sucks. I really hate celebration rules. As long as you are not taunting or unnecessarily delaying the game (which was not the case in this situation), do whatever you want.

You kick at a lower angle the further you are away from the post. Short kicks = chip shots, you chip it so it doesn't get blocked.

A rule is a rule...and even if it was 15 yards closer it still would have been blocked.

BYU is going to win the national championship this year. They deserved every bit of this win. It was us that won the game not the refs.

even if they didn't get the call it doesn't matter the kick was blocked they still would of lost

How often are kicks blocked?! How often are 55 yard kicks blocked?! If the line holds up, then Jan Jorgensen wouldn't have shot threw the middle and blocked it while being held by the left tackle. A picture is worth a thousand words. Look at the Deseret News picture of the block. It wasn't blocked over the line, Jorgensen blocked it with his left hand. His hand was level with his shoulder. The left guard was blasted on his butt!!! It wouldn't have mattered where it was on the field!!!

Rules are rules...but sometimes refs should practice a little judgement....

I'll never forget this horrid year.Ty was a horrible head coach.I dreaded every saturday morning lol.I'm so glad that they are good again

Did you say they must be consistent, natemills? Consistent would be not calling that penalty in the first place, I have NEVER seen somebody penalized for that, and I watch as much football as anybody. So consistency is not throwing a flag on the play when you never have before for the same thing.

I still don't see where the QB brought attention to himself so it can be an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Horrible call by the refs.

As a neutral watching this: nah no way, Locker was just excited, that's what the college game is all about, passion and excitement. He didn't swan-dive into the student section or throw the ball into the stands. It was not in the spirit of college football. You really have to look at it in the scope of the game, this was a touchdown in the dying seconds of the game. It doesn't matter though as BYU did well and blocked the extra point anyway. The result? Fair. But the call? Stupid.

then i started getting really facked up in north lot before games. That was a blackout year for me!

that sucks for washington.

"You can't say it's the wrong call by the official, but you can say it's the wrong judgment" EXACTLY

The ball hit the BYU player in the chest. He totally busted through the line. Nothing was stopping them from blocking that kick. BYU would have won, penalty or no penalty.

that ref should be fired for that call, not suspended, fired.

I live in NYC and stumbled upon this clip, so I'm unbiased about it. It's clearly either a bad call or a bad rule...perhaps both. I think the refs are given some discretion on whether an act breaks the spirit of the law or the letter. It clearly breaks one (the letter) but not the other (the spirit). For that reason I think the refs should not have thrown the flag. Washington was clearly victimized by the call and I think even a balanced BYU fan would agree (even if it's through a big grin).

I remember watching this game. Jake Locker single handily kept Washington in this game. I'm a huge Locker fan

The whining over that call is pointless. Jan Jorgensen, a defensive end, blocked the kick going striaght up the middle and never even jumped or raised his arm above his head. It wasn't by some 7'2" freak that jumped up or by some 4.27-40 yd. corner around the end. It was by a D-End straight up the middle. UW's O-Line got blasted, so pure and simple, the kick would have been blocked from anywhere on the field. The ball never even made it to the 2nd or 3rd guy that would have blocked it up higher

Im a buckeye but I feel 4 washington. Looks like a classic example of the ref trying to be bigger than the game. I remember a couple yrs ago time had expired in a browns-chiefs game giving cleve the victory 38 to 37 when a browns player took off his helmet and tossed it. the ref gave a 15 yd penalty and 1st down to kc and added 2 secs to the clock. kc kicked a field goal and won 40 to 38. 2 this day I dont understand how a penalty can be assessed if there is no time left on the clock

So what about the call? THE KICK WAS BLOCKED. The call didn't make Washington lose the chance to tie the game. Blame the Washington special teams for letting the kick get blocked, not the refs. The call was bad, but it didn't make Washington lose. Washington's special teams made them lose.

You know, I dont agree with that call but when the refs HAVE to follow the rule book, dont blame the refs, blame the book. AND also, BYU DID block the ball. Give them credit for blocking the ball, that was quite impressive.

This is why the excessive celebration penalty needs to be abolished. 15 yds for a Personal foul? okay. 15 yds for tossing the ball into the air? you gotta be shittin' me!

Was that BYU's Jan Jorgensen that blocked that kick? Wow! I bet his hand still hurts from blocking that one.

i have seen guys dive needlessly into the endzone and not get called for a penalty in college football! This call is horrendous! I am a Big-10 fan (please hold the insults) and have no stake in this game but the announcer that says he disagrees with this call is correct! wow, that is terrible! All around bad....all bad

Why does the penalty matter? The kick was blocked. They couldn't have made a 35 yard field goal or a 17 yard field goal.

A ridiculous call. The throw wasnt excessive. I've seen a million other replays where the player mor than just hands the ball to the ref or sets it down at the point where the ball was downed like the rule says, and those weren't called. So why this one? Locker was just caught up in the emotion of an 18 play drive and after he scored went to celebrate with his team. Nothing unsportsmanlike about that. The "throw" if you could even call it that wasnt much more than a flick over the shoulder.

I just read a different version and it didn't say can so just forget my last post. I guess I need to check the actual rule book before I comment.

You think these players are robots? Think of the emotion that was going on when tying up the game. It's not unsportsmanlike. He didn't do it to show up the other team. That's what the call is designed for. Here, you have a penalty for a player getting too "happy." Excessive happiness on the offense.

Actually, prezuiwf, the further you have to move back, the more it changes the trajectory of the ball. In other words, if you kick a fifty yarder, it will be much lower than if you kick a five yarder. It was a terrible kick, either way. Shoulder high when it was blocked.

changed our season.... sucks we better kick their ass this year in their house! WOOF WOOF WOOF!

this freakin pisses me off! jake locker did nothing wrong! nobody appreciates us up here in seattle and im sick and tired of nobody giving us the respect we deserve. i truly believe seahawks and huskies would be double as good right now and over these past few years if critics believed in us. if the country believed in us!

You know it's kind of sad and funny...I mean, you'd think that U-Dub would get that call at home. Now if this had happened if they were at BYU's place...

No kick in college football is a guarantee whether it's 20, 35 or however many yards, anybody who disagrees probably plays too many video games. It is typical Pac-10 officiating though, anyone think SEC refs would have called that on Tim Tebow? No freakin' way.

Who is to say that the angle of the kick wouldn't have been steeper if the kicker was 10 yards closer? While you are correct in saying that Washington allowed too much penetration in this situation, you are incorrect in your assumption that it was purely that penetration that caused the loss.

hey jackhandy, not sure if you actually watched this game or if you were too busy with yourself, but watching the last drive by UW everytime a BYU d-lineman got through the UW line, they got held and tackled by UW's line but there was no flags. pretty sure UW comes down Provo it's easily BYU's win.

Ty must go!!! to lose a game like that validates the bad karma he has as a Husky.

majorgamer07, the rule specifically prohibits "throwing the ball high into the air" after a score. It IS a silly rule, but how "high" is "high"? I agree that there was no taunting in the behavior, but he DID throw the ball high in the air, probably 30 feet. Maybe the rules committee needs to specify "throwing the ball higher than 23' 3 1/8" in the air" is a penalty.

the other funny thing is people pretty much act like this cost washington the game, the fact is it *might* have gone to overtime, assuming the kicker makes the PAT, then they have we'll say a 50 percent chance of winning in overtime, so just simmer down washington fans, plus thank BYU for your new coach who i think will bring your program back from its shit that it used to be

I'm not a BYU or Washington fan. I don't care at all what happends to their season but the call and the rule are ridiculous. If you think that's taunting the other team you need your head examined. A 20-something year old scored a TD in the final seconds of a big game and he was excited and threw the ball in the air. Oh no! BYU's feelings are so hurt! I watch sports partly because I enjoy watching atheletes have fun play the game. The NCAA's decision to suck all fun out of games will haunt them.

Kicker had his attempted xtra point BLOCKED!! Get over it!! Like Petris the annoucer said, UDub collapsed!! End of story, on to the next game!!

that was the most bs call i have ever seen i was at that game it was load of crap that caost us a game the only worse on the season is that jake locker brook his tumb throwin a block on a run. its a shame that it happenedto such a great guy. it's to bad that are only win on the season is going to come in the apple cup. with a combinationof injuries and bad coaching uw is going to have their worse season ever. we were supose to be a bowl team this year. and also ronie fouch never scansinthepocket

I agree with the majority here; the rule sucks but it is the rule. I do think everyone's missing a major point here, and that is BYU still had to block a VERY make-able PAT. sure it was a lot more difficult, but 35 yards from the middle of the field. that should not have been blocked regardless of the lame call. Having played a collegiate sport myself I'm sure that's what the UW coaches are saying to their team.

THIS WAS THE MOST SPINELESS CALL EVER!! the officials owe washington an apology, not to mention the game. and as for you byu fans, how can you proud of a game that you basically lost? you should at least have a enough integrity to admit that the ref gift wrapped this game for you!

This call is such garbage. when it comes to penalties such as excessive celebration some refs just don't know how to let the players play. What do you expect the players to do after they score a TD with 2 seconds left in the 4th quarter to potentially tie up the game? Calls like this just discourage any excitement in a game.

okay, then why didnt they block the first 3 extra points???

a Wisconsin DB threw the ball after a pick and didnt get it called WTF is that for

made me sick af when i watched it live smh

@marinersfk7349

4 жыл бұрын

i am almost 27, 16 year old me lost his fucking shit

"And that is purely in the hands of the officials." What a terrible thing to say. What he should have said is: "And that is purely in the hands of Jan Jorgensen, the man who BLOCKED THE KICK."

Wow...a HORRIBLE call. The ref wanted to be a star! Glad I don't have to worry about PAC-10 refs here in Big XII country...too bad for the Huskies.

well, i think the call was a little iffy, but not as much as the commentator made it seem. obviously (probably) he was rooting for washington (im a fan of both teams). i was watching this game live, and i didnt think it was a horrible call but that toss over the shoulder maybe shouldve been overlooked. regardless, he didnt even get the extra point past the LOS, so none of it matters. And reading all the comments, people make it seem like it was BYU's fault that the call was made.

@jokiest1 sorry for the typo. it's facist not fascist