Complexity creep is a real thing! Love how you took that in account for newer players. Great video 🙌🙌🙌

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

Thank you! Great job on your power creep video too! 🙌🙌🙌

Very good comprehensive write up and very good advice via the roadmap! I've been playing a long while myself and I was buying random packs/expansions out of order and slowed myself down a lot. This guide is perfect for new players and I wish I had something like this when I first started playing. Throwing a like and sub your way, bubba. Cheers!

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

That's great to hear that it is useful for you! I also went in an awkward order and wished I had some guidance

For me I started RoRS, then my priority was Good deals Good protection packs New types of content (player side schemes, s2, pool, etc) Feels like you really can't go wrong aside from getting GMW first haha.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

I can’t really argue with that! It’s a great game. I think you’ll have fun with anything

@tmcd5049

15 күн бұрын

There were some easyish, fun scenarios in GMW, but I think I might be in the minority including the Collectors in that category. Drang was cool.

@DaringLime

15 күн бұрын

@@tmcd5049 I like drang a lot. I think collector 1 is okay if you rush him with events. Collector 2 requires a more well rounded deck. The rocket raccoon collector 1 match up was deeply dissatisfying when I first played it lol

@tmcd5049

15 күн бұрын

@@DaringLime I don't doubt we were probably lucky, Rocky & Groot 2 player. I can't claim to have played them all, or even half the villains, I just don't remember a bad time with it. Just pleased they try to innovate, even if they aren't always successful.

@DaringLime

15 күн бұрын

@@tmcd5049 Definitely! This game continues to release great content!

This was really well put together, thanks for taking the time

@DaringLime

20 күн бұрын

For sure! More on the way!

I really like Fantasy Flights LCG model. I play all three. When I got interested in Marvel Champions after The Mad Titan's Shadow dropped I just picked up everything before and from there bought everything as it has been released. Now I have other things going on where I only recently started playing the game. I bought it up before I could play it because I saw what happened with the LOTR LCG and I don't want to play the out of print game. I saw that coming and when Fantasy Flight did their last official reprint I bought in bulk like it was Costco to complete my collection. I like guides like this because it helps me plan how I want to experience the game. Also makes me feel good about my approach because when you say things like if you can get Dr Strange or Captain America I can breath easy because I took care of that part. This is a great guide with lots of detail so I can listen and plan my approach to experiencing the content. Good job and much appreciated!

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

That's amazing to hear! That is exactly what I had hoped would happen for people. The overwhelming positive feedback on this has been inspiring for me to make more content. Getting everything is totally worth it! I am just now getting into the lord of the rings. I started with the revised core set. I was gonna play my first game of it this weekend. I'm really happy that I jumped in on the revised version and not the original lol! And it seems like FFG learned from LOTR and Arkham and Marvel champions seems to have dodged a lot of the problems those games had.

@rpiazza72

Ай бұрын

@@DaringLime this was the first video of yours I have seen and you fit the mold for the good content creators in this space. You took your time, developed concepts and explained your approach. I think the community for this game will embrace you because your in line with the quality of the folks I would consider the bellwethers for this space. So I am happy you are encouraged and I think you should be. Now a sidebar about Arkham and LOTR. The design for philosophy for those two is a much more brutal experience then Marvel Champions. Whereas Marvel Champions you should win the majority of the time those two you should be losing a lot lol. The designer who went on to do Earthborne Rangers talks about this. The revised editions of those games is a better set up. Getting the compressed package of a campaign and then all the player cards is so much better. Arkham I started under the revised model, which is way better collecting experience then the small scenario boxes and adventure packs. Basically everything can fit in the campaign boxes. Also Arkham has been commercially successful enough to get a full reprint and new content. LOTR I got everything before they revised it. I started collecting that game from the very begining lost interest and came back at the end just before they stopped reprinting. In the LOTR case no new content and everything is not going to be reprinted. That sucks for collectors and those who want to get the full story of the game. It also sucks for the card pool. Let me highlight A big difference with LOTR and Marvel Champions. For the most part in champions you can pick a theme for a hero and build that deck and it should in most cases work for just about all villians, there are exceptions i.e. Venom Goblin. But Marvel really lets you explore ideas and there are multiple viable builds to play. You don't need a lot of content to get moving. LOTR differs in that building decks is a more complex venture, but very satisfying. Deck concepts need more tinkering. LOTR you build decks for scenarios a lot! Back with the old core set people would buy two and even three sets to have a full card pool just to beat the last scenario Escape from Dol Guldur, which in true solo is absolutely brutal, especially if you don't have a full card pool in the core. Revised edition core solved this. A lot of scenarios in that game you need to build for. Then there are the out of print nightmare decks in some cases they were challenges, or they changed up scenario mechanics or they adjusted scenarios and made them better. There was a ton of supplemental content for LOTR. Lots of things to tweak the experience. I leave you with this comparison to explain the different nature of these games. LOTR is like collecting old 45 albums there are all sorts of editions to get and playing your records is done on special equipment, Marvel Champions is being into music in the current digital era. You can download a whole album and play it just about anywhere on anything. LOTR is your into microbrew beer, Marvel Champions is I like a lot of different get it at the supermarket beer, Sam Adams might be the most exotic thing you get. As you gave a detailed video I think you'll like this detailed response.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

@@rpiazza72 You're right I did like it! That is really useful info! I have played arkham through the core box campaign once with a friend. I don't own arkham. I played Skids O'Toole and we won the first two scenarios but then had to resign on the last one because we didn't find enough of the cultists in the second scenario. It was interesting how punishing it was in the third scenario for the second one not going perfect. Marvel champions doesn't do that. What you said about lord of the rings is really intersting! I'm wondering how it'll go for me playing through the core box. I'll probably make a video on it sharing my experience with the transition from being able to handle all the scenarios in Marvel Champions on expert to starting LOTR. Thanks for the detailed response!

@rpiazza72

Ай бұрын

@@DaringLime in the Marvel Champions space you’ll find other LOTR people first one that comes to mind is Boom Guy from the Winning Hand podcast. I think you’ll enjoy the revised core set experience. A video on your experience would be interesting. People are coming into the LOTR experience and it’s interesting to see the mix of new and old players the game started in 2011. If people really like it thats when they go down the rabbit hole and find out about all the out of print content. Don’t look anything up play the core set fresh and if you like it then jump down the rabbit hole. But I do think you’ll find an audience for this sort of crossover video I would certainly watch it.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

@@rpiazza72 Awesome! It'll probably be a while for me to get all the way through the core set but I'll post a video about it once I finish! Thanks for the advice!

Some good stuff here for new players! I’d have spent some time also discussing the basic terminology you used (aspect cards, campaigns, scenarios, etc) that may be difficult for new players to grasp. But overall this can really only help players looking to get into the game!

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

That’s great to hear! I was hoping it would be a good resource. Thanks for giving me a new video idea with the terminology!

Very helpful. The tracks make sense. I am not too far in with just the core, RORS, SM, and heroes, Captain America, and Deadpoole. Makes me think also about getting heroes with certain aspects as I play true solo and not a big deck builder.

@DaringLime

26 күн бұрын

That’s definitely a viable option to fill out your aspect pool. You could look at decks on mcdb then see what cards you want and track down the packs that they come in. That would be a good way of doing it.

Absolutely amazing video; I've been wanting to watch a buyers guide for a while!

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

I'm glad you liked it! What class are you thinking about doing?

@JustinSparrow

Ай бұрын

​@@DaringLime I've been playing on and off since The Galaxy's Most Wanted, which thematically is probably my favorite of the Campaign Expansions! I don't have the largest assortment of products, mainly Star-Lord, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Wolverine, Drax, War Machine, Captain America, Ms. Marvel, Wasp, Quicksilver, and then The Rise of Red skull and The Galaxy's Most Wanted. I've mainly played with other people who have more of the game but I haven't experienced much of the last four campaign expansions. I think Star-Lord, Doctor Strange, and Wolverine are three of my favorite heroes!

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

@@JustinSparrow Star-Lord used to be my favorite hero. Recently it has been Phoenix. I really like Doctor Strange and Wolverine too!

@JustinSparrow

Ай бұрын

Currently I play Flesh and Blood TCG so I don't have as much time for LCGs, but this is one of my favorite games of all time! I've been interested in Phoenix as well, so that's great to hear that she's fun!

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

@@JustinSparrow She's very fun. Origninally i didn't like her that much, but once I got all the psionic cards and startted playing aggression she became my favorite

Really enjoyed this video! I'd also add that just buying all the expansions (expect GMW) in release order is a really easy way to go about building a collection and finding a style that you like. On the video production side, I think taking a little bit of extra time to enlarge cards you are talking about would help (or maybe just adding a text box with the key highlights). Pulling up a few of the cards was nice, but it wasn't necessarily readable. Audio quality is great; really like the mic you are using!

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

Thank you for the tips on audio and video! I have a big monitor so the cards are more legible for me. I'll keep that in mind so that people viewing on smaller screens can still read the cards.

Awesome video, I started day 1, so I bought in release order, but for new people this is great and helps you from being overwhelmed

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

Thank you! I didn't get into the game until X-Men was coming out and I went in the totally wrong order

Great video!!! I like that you didn't tell people to NOT get Galaxy's Most Wanted. Yeah it's difficult, but it still has value. I also like how you broke down your "classes". Very cool! The only "complaint" I have (tongue in cheek, not an actual complaint LOL) is that it sounded like you were saying you can't beat Ultron without upgrading your collection. The first video on my channel is Black Panther Leadership with Core cards only defeating Ultron :)

@DaringLime

29 күн бұрын

I think that is the best way to beat ultron In solo with the core box. Make the call nick fury mockingbird Hawkeye and nick fury is good. I think it would still be hard on expert though. Did you do it on expert mode?

@solomarvelchampion

29 күн бұрын

@@DaringLime No, only in Standard. I only recently started playing on Expert. It would be more difficult because Drones get +1 HP and +1 ATK on Stage 3, so they're tougher to knock out unless you can get an additional Retaliate. Something I meant to say in my original comment was that I agree about Complexity Creep! Magik is my favorite hero right now but there's definitely additional complexity and decision making with her!

@DaringLime

29 күн бұрын

@@solomarvelchampion magik is really cool! I'm gonna experiment with her soon

Great video! Got to know about you from the recent web warrior fanatic video and your content is really good! +1 sub! Really needed this video before i bought most of the expansions already! 😂 Just got this game like 2 months ago and its been on my mind 24/7. I’m playing it almost every other day! Its that good! If anyone watched xmen 97 and wanted to bring it to life, mutant genesis is pretty much it! (Thats why i got it! 😅)

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

Nice that you got to see that video with wwf! This game is amazing. How was it getting mutant genesis first? Did it match up with what I said in the video? I wanna make sure I'm giving good advice lol

@Ankei74u

Ай бұрын

@@DaringLime When i initially got into the game, I also bought a few hero packs because i really wanted to play as gambit and my gf wanted to play as capt america. Played the core box a ton and it was fun but semi hard because of limited card pool and kinda meh cards like warning etc. Both of us enjoyed the game so much so i went ahead and got RoRS. When i was getting RoRS, i saw a deal at my local pawn shop for GMW for $16 so i had to get it even though i saw so many reviews to get GMW last! But the price was too good! I only opened the groot and rocket packs. The villains are still in the plastic wrap because i knew they were going to be hard with my limited experience and card pool! RoRS is a blast to play especially against red skull with a different change of pace with his ability to put out side schemes every turn! And recently finally pulled the trigger to get most of the xmen and their campaign boxes because i just wanted to ‘relive’ the xmen 97 series! Currently playing Mutant Genesis on the campaign mode and I do agree that the campaign cards/rewards arent as impactful as other campaigns such as RoRS but i do find the idea of putting other aspects events/upgrades interesting! Having a skilled investigator in a magik aggression deck with exorcism is kinda sweet! Overall i do agree with most of your opinions and your recommendation!

@AmbientFellow

Ай бұрын

Same here! Only recently started playing and now I have half the expansions for this game haha.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

This game is addictive because it is so good lol. Every expansion you get opens up so many possibilities.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

That's great to hear. With the amount of cards you have I think you could find a way to take on Galaxy's most wanted at this point. Or at least play Drang and Collector 1 and 2 stand alone if you wanted to. Skilled investigator sounds like a great choice for the aspect customization!

I have the entire game now but I basically started out by buying all of the cheapest Heroes and then moved into the scenario packs and then the boxes

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

Getting things on sale is also a great strat! I don’t think any hero is bad

I started from the very beginning with Marvel Champions, it’s such a great game, and this is not a bad video btw though I think there’s a few more things I would consider when getting into the game like I would say some hero pack’s heroes should be avoided until you have a wider card pool cause heroes like Hulk felt disappointing out of the box. Later expansions (like X-Men) also added more complexity so jumping straight into those might be less ideal. Personally would recommend going the “MCU” route but just get Captain America, Doctor Strange, and Rise of the Red Skull to start out then Mad Titans Shadow with Scarlet Witch down the line. Eventually branch to Spider-Verse and X-Men.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

Ya I think the mcu route is a great option. It’s just kind of rough with doctor strange and cap being out of print and over 20 dollars. I didn’t go into things to avoid. I think hulk could still be fun with just the core box though. He has a lot of problems with his hand size, and I totally see where you’re coming from. The x-men are definitely way more complicated than the previous waves. The apocalypse camping with the mission side schemes and complicated heroes and villains was a lot to keep track of. Thank you for the feedback!

Great video! IMHO, if you are a brand-spankin' new player, I recommend staying far away from all the X-men stuff, haha. It really is a big jump in complexity across the board. I mainly think about two things: deckbuilding and what you want to play against (scenarios and modulars). In terms of starting out for heroes and deck-building, I very strongly recommend sticking with the Avengers theme. Ms. Marvel, Thor, Captain America, Dr. Strange, Black Widow, and even Hulk... I feel like these all come with essential aspect cards for deck building. Throw in Wasp, Ant-man, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch and I think that really is the core of the game. From there, I think you can go wherever! For scenarios, I think Green Gobbles and Kang are fantastic early on and both give a ton of flavor with the extra modulars. Rise of Red Skull is a great pick as said in the video in terms of value and complexity. The villains are great, Spider-woman is rad, and the even if Hawkeye isn't the best-- the pre-con has some essential Avengers Leadership allies! I also think The Hood is a great pick if you find that you want some higher difficulty. It's a unique scenario and great in terms of value as it comes with Standard II which will add more difficulty to any scenario and comes with a ton of modulars of varying difficulty that can change up any of your other scenarios. Sinister motives is definitely a great box to get early on, I just wouldn't recommend getting it first. It is definitely a jump in complexity and I think to some extent, you'd want to go all in on the other web-warrior heroes to really get the most out of it. But it's fun either way! *Edited for my bad spelling.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! I hope people read your post to get another perspective as well

@TheGreatKyrillos

Ай бұрын

@@DaringLime Sure! Though it might also be worth noting that I am coming from the standpoint of being a pretty mediocre card-gamer, lol!

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

@@TheGreatKyrillos No worries! I didn't take it as negative. I get a lot of negative feedback on reddit lol youtube is a really nice place

Thanks for the great discussion! I think I might go web warrior / shield!

@DaringLime

22 күн бұрын

The best choice in my opinion!

@DaringLime

22 күн бұрын

Green goblin scenario pack would be a great addition to it as well

@davew1337

22 күн бұрын

@@DaringLime thank you - I have goblin gimmicks and red skull, along with 5-6 hero packs

@DaringLime

22 күн бұрын

@@davew1337 which packs? And how did you like them?

@davew1337

21 күн бұрын

@@DaringLimeI have opened Dr Strange, Ms Marvel, Wolverine, Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, X-23. I also own, but have not opened (I am playing through Core Box, Goblin, and RoRS campaign with pairs of each hero I already opened first) Cyclops, Rogue, Quicksilver, SPDR, Ant-man, and Gambit. Love them all although I haven’t played as Hulk or Strange yet (unpopular take here but I don’t prefer to play with “mystic” spells, but got him for the other green cards)

Great video, thank you! I wish I had something this comprehensive when I got into the game last year. One quick thing: Goliath will come back in with Make the Call without the ATK buff, and in fact due to the 'once per phase' clause won't be able to activate it again the second time around. I think that second part is a little strange if he's treated as a new instance of the card when he comes back, but that's the ruling they went with I guess.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

I looked into that ruling and it is convoluted. It seems like it ends up being based on the ruling of "max" . I agree with you that it is strange. Thanks for pointing it out!

You didn't mention the game on expert difficulty and house rule!

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

Nope I didn't! I think house ruling peter parker as a web warrior is common and a good idea and I was planning on mentioning it but forgot when filming. Hopefully people don't feel uncomfortable doing house rules because I think that is a really cool thing about co op games. It doesn't hurt anyone if you just make a house rule! as for expert though I just felt it would be more useful to the guide to consider standard. I could have touched on how the campaigns change in expert mode though and I think that would have been useful! Thank you for the feedback!

Captain America and Dr. Strange are impossible to find now (affordably). Guess the Avengers route is dead….

@DaringLime

15 күн бұрын

@@SardonicArtery you could still do the avengers route. I would recommend war machine instead of captain America because he has good leadership allies.

RORS --everything was great. Heroes, villains, all great! GMW --villains are broken, unplayable without large card-pool and scenario-specific deck building (which we NEVER do). However, I loved Rocket and Groot immediately. Easy to play a budget deck with them. TMTS --Heroes are broken, maybe my worst all-time experience with both decks. Horrible design. There's no such thing as a budget Adam Warlock deck. He's all or nothing. I actually just used his aspect cards to add to other decks, and I left his hero cards out of the box. He's that bad.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience. I agree rocket and groot are really fun. I didn’t have the same experience with Adam warlock though. I was able to beat the mad titans shadow with him with only the core box and mad titans shadow. It was hard, but I eventually found a deck that worked for him. Maybe give him another shot! It could be fun. But also if you just don’t like him I understand

@jongahimer5338

Ай бұрын

I think Adam Warlock is somewhat like Iron-Man in that how you pilot the deck really matters. That being said, the kind of Aspect strategies he can use are very limited and there are some cards you won’t want to play without: Summoning Spell, Sorcerer Supreme, Spiritual Meditation etc…While “Wild Tutor” is widely regarded as his “solved deck”, I actually think Summoning Spell Recursion is stronger. Being able to dump multiple high cost allies on the board in a single turn and then being able to keep Allies like Giant Man and She-Hulk at 4-6 attack by healing them tends to out-value every other strategy in the game.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

@@jongahimer5338 That's a great idea for an Adam Warlock deck! I agree. I think wild tutor is a good deck, but I don't think adam warlock is "solved". Especially since there are so many more cards out now.

@underthewronghat.0101

Ай бұрын

@@jongahimer5338 Great thoughts! I tried Adam again. I added Make the Call, Spiritual Meditation, and Sorcerer Supreme. I build out my whole box for game night, so that means Dr Strange doesn't have SS. It also means I can't just run unlimited with Adam's deck, rather all my decks are "budget decks." Whenever someone has a good Adam Warlock deck, it just means they have a larger card pool, probably play solo, and build "perfect decks" for each scenario. That said, Adam did better with SS. I wish I could add more SMs. I don't use them with Scarlet Witch, because I don't play solo (I don't need to Hex Bolt every hand). I don't have access to those allies, but I could try to swap a few of Adam's nice 2-cost allies for some better "Voltron" candidates. With my budget deck, I mostly just defend and avoid discarding until Adam is built up, then I let the cards fly. With Battlemage, he's more versatile, but he's slower to build than Iron Man.

@jongahimer5338

Ай бұрын

@@underthewronghat.0101 I’m not sure what cards you have access to but I tend to like Black Panther (Ally) and Groot as well. Black Panther is another method of recurring summoning Spell instead of just using quantum magic. Voltron could work. Between Adam’s own Battlemage healing and his ability to run MedTeam really any Ally becomes viable for Voltron. You wouldn’t be limited to the typical (take no consequential damage) targets.

Hard disagree on SM campaign. The expert campaign is horribly balanced with Public Outcry, the villains have tedious mechanics such as self mill and loading your deck with their cards, the Surge Keyword is overused, and the reward system is the worst of any Campaign. Having the villains scale with you in a campaign already vying for “most difficult” is ridiculous. And some of the upgrades are just plain bad. Gaining 1 Thw but then not being able to choose what to Thw is crazy.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

I can see where you are coming from. I didn't have that experience exactly though. Surge is used a lot, public outcry makes it hard, and the sand counters and mysterio's illusions can be tedious. I don't think it is horribly balanced though. In my view expert campaigns are supposed to be the hardest experience you can get in marvel champions. I don't go into expert campaigns looking for things to be manageable. Things feeling out of control and difficult make it feel like expert to me! That said though, I've been able to beat the expert campaign for sinister motives with many different heroes. I don't think it is undoable. And I don't think the villains upgrades outpace yours either. Starting with an avengers mansion and helicarrier out is crazy strong.

@jongahimer5338

Ай бұрын

@@DaringLime Fair enough. My perspective certainly has some bias attached. I never play Solo so rush strategies are generally off the table and status effects are less impactful. After 9 losses we finally cleared, but only due to my getting fed-up and deciding to dust the cob-webs off Dr. Strange. Although 9 consecutive losses to Venom Goblin isn’t as bad as the 11th loss we are on with Nebula atm.

@DaringLime

Ай бұрын

@@jongahimer5338 I dusted off doctor strange to beat the guardians campaign on standard lol. Everything you pointed out about SM is real and in solo it things could be more difficult. That thwarting upgrade in solo is brutal against the sinister six. We all have bias though. I'm biased toward liking SM. Nebula caused me to quit playing for 3 months at one point. I was trying to beat her with rocket and groot and lost like 5 times in a row and just lost motivation to play. Now that i have more cards im gonna go back through the guardians campaign, but that whole experience was rough.