“There’s room for everyone, it’s a big table” 🔥 love that.

"There's room for everyone, it's a big table." Thank you! You've just lifted a burden from my should (I take it as you are saying out your heart and don't hide back anything .. lol).

I must say, when I first started to mix I was always over thinking things and my mixes where not that great. Since I’ve been taking this CLA approach by not thinking too much, my mixes has improve and I’ve gotten allot quicker in my workflow.

@TM42

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! I'm in the same boat as you. As soon as I took his approach and started to watch what he does, I noticed a MASSIVE improvement in my mixes, day and night difference!

@alfieholloway

2 жыл бұрын

It feels like whenever I watch some of these more experienced guys they seem to do less than what I do. I wonder often if that’s due to the source material they are working with?

@allexfenty

2 жыл бұрын

@@alfieholloway Yes it is..their source material chews up your source material..most of these pros also get pre cleaned pre mix files which means they just smooth sail mix. They dont face the challenges most other mixers face.

@BukanIbuMu

2 жыл бұрын

@@allexfenty not really. On Puremix Lifeboats mixing series He did the most simple things in the mix yet sounds so much better especially when comparing to other mixers who mix the same song.

I believe you always have to put this kind of advice into the right context. What kind of tracks does someone like CLA typically mix? Those are tracks written, arranged, produced, performed, and recorded by absolute pros. At that level, yeah, you probably don't need to carve out space during mixing because it all falls into place. But that's not the reality for 90% of us folks out here. Don't get me wrong: I love that he shares his vast experience and knowledge, but I still think you have to take it with a grain of salt and figure out how his advice applies to your work.

@santibanks

3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, the role of the engineer is vastly underrated nowadays. Especially with so many musicians recording from home to keep costs low. The difference between some drummer strapping an SM57 to their snare and a great engineer is night and day. THe first one gives you headaches as a mixer and you start to question why you never get it to sound just right after 5 attempts with sh*tloads of processing. The latter one is just pushing up the fader and thinking wtf, why don't I need to add any EQ or compression? I have been lucky to be able to hear some raw multitracks from pretty famous hitsongs from the 80ies and 90ies. You can get your balance right in two passes of playing with just fader pushing and panning, spend two hours having fun with effects and fader rides and some minor EQ/compression/gating tweaks, print to master, done… A good recording engineer makes the job of a mixer fun and easy.

@JulianDavidMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@santibanks agreed 100%

@massivebeatzz

3 жыл бұрын

@@santibanks very true.... Home stuff is great if it's modern drum machines, R&B, EDM...but the acoustic stuff if a nightmare.

@bwhog

3 жыл бұрын

@@santibanks What you're referring to is basically the Al Schmitt philosophy of recording and mixing: get it to sound right when you capture it and you don't need a ton of processing. Listening to Al's advice in interviews he gave totally changed how I think about microphones ("If it sounds too dark, then try a different spot or get a brighter sounding mic") and recording sound. RIP Al.

@billb3414

3 жыл бұрын

Julian, yes - you must have a proper recording before you mix the song. If you don't have a proper recording, then why is it being sent off to mix? It shouldn't get to the mix stage if the song is poorly recorded... However, if you have no way of having your song properly recorded by a professional, and you're not a recording engineer, then you should find a recording engineer or practice recording techniques yourself first. A mix engineer can make your poorly recorded song sound *decent* but just remember, it won't be as good as if the song was recorded properly.

My kid was acting a fool in the store When we got home I took out the CLA-76 He knew what time it was

@IfonleeProd

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂💀

@i.AmHymn

3 жыл бұрын

Bwahahahaaaaa.... 😭 💀 ⚰️ 🤣

@billb3414

3 жыл бұрын

Time for a spanking? I see how you get down. Lmao

@Mauricioluquesound

2 жыл бұрын

-Son, you're going to hear what a compressor does.

So true. When I started I was always hunting frequencies and scooping things. Now I boost what I like roll of or dip a bit of the crud and my mixes sound so much better and get done quicker. CLA🔥

"There’s room for everyone, it’s a big table" - great point, but way to achive that is hard af

Just bought this whole vocal chain, so excited! here's to the transition from free plugins. Cheers!

Almost every other online mixing classes-'you gottamake room for other instruments by scoping out the eq's'. CLA 'Fuck all that'.

@hummarstraful

3 жыл бұрын

CLA often says on thing and does the opposite. If you watch his mixing of Muse guitars video, he high passes lots of shit. But, it's never a rule with him. He seems to only do it when it's really necessary. And he does it by listening to the track first in solo (another thing he says he doesn't do, but in fact does all the time.) He calls low end "rumble." Here is the link. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5dntdqghJfbc9o.html

@roarproductionsstudio

3 жыл бұрын

@@hummarstraful i dont think so he does what he says.

@Timetofly8888

3 жыл бұрын

I think he goes in with that approach but in reality, most often High/Low pass filters absolutely are used in most respects on each input in the end. Why wouldn't you get rid of unneeded shit so as to ensure the meal is good before you start cooking and tasting as you go, its like Trimming the fat before you turned on the Stovetop or Oven!! Most seasoned Chefs will tell you, "NO!! *USE* the Fat" !! to compliment other areas in the cooking process if you're smart enough to KNOW how.. etc.. I happen to take the stance that ignores this guy as the Gospel Word but I agree with him 100% to simply look at it a different way from automatically cutting and slicing before you start turning on the Stove or Oven! , USE YOUR EARS and experiment, Try it all !!! He is 100% correct in his approach, just ignore the poor editing in most cases causing confusion ..

@LucaMiolla

3 жыл бұрын

@@hummarstraful well technically not, he's high passing the guitar to remove a disturbing rumble. He never claims to do that in order to make space for something. Filtering, scooping and all those big things can still be done to get a proper sound out ot the instrument. Now the big problem is being capable of understanding the role of each instrument and sound, in order to enhance the frequencies you need and those that are mostly rumble/hiss/boring stuff. It's of course a way to make space for other things in the mix but what he basically means is, never force space for something in the mix, never take out good 2-3k frequencies out of a guitar to hear more voice presence (I'm just throwing numbers). Of course the answer is recording properly, recording with good instruments/preamps/chain in general and be overall smart

@LightCyrus

3 жыл бұрын

@@LucaMiolla I was going to make this point as well. I don't think he's talking about basic filtering.

Notes: Use CLA-76 to spank your audio. 😂

@sugabrownmusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGARCK 😂

My new favorite thing to say "It's almost like goo goo guh joo I am the Walrus all of a sudden"

I’m watching everything you do on KZread I can find. Thank you for your contribution through many many hours on the board plus!!!!!

Learning Something New every video, Thanks for taking the time to talk to us.

His take on "carving out space" is not the case for the **vast majority** of the people watching these videos. You have to remember that he's always working with incredible music that was recorded immaculately with the top engineers, the right sounds, the right instruments holding down the right frequencies, the right musicians, singers, background singers, microphones, preamps, compressors, rooms, etc, making it a lot easier to get that balance and separation everybody wants to achieve. When you get recordings like that, the songs virtually mix themselves - it's quite amazing. When you're at the top like CLA, you don't work on crap projects with crap recordings, singers, musicians, etc - you're only getting the best of the best sent to you from the top labels/artists who have the budget to work with you. People who are new to mixing are most likely getting crappy sounding recordings where everything is fighting with each other - thus making 'space' a hard thing to accomplish in your mixing. Example: sometimes when I mentor people on mixing, they'll be like "I was watching this video and this top mixing engineer only turned up 50 Hz on the kick drum by like .5 dB and he was done and it sounded massiveeeee, but when I do that, nothing seems to change or happen..." That's because the sound that he received was nailed in *nearly perfectly* on the recording stage so not much was needed to enhance it in the mixing stage! In a normal world for people who are new to mixing, most drums they are working with are flat, boring, in a crappy room, have polarity issues, no excitement at all, etc - so more is needed to make them pop! Also, I'm not knocking CLA at all - he's absolutely amazing and one of my favorite mixing engineers out there!

@zachary963

9 ай бұрын

Eh. Idk. I’m making stuff in an untreated extra bedroom and this doesn’t bother me. I’ll use a high pass filter and a low pass filter to clean up the extra stuff on the top and bottom, and after you’ve done that everything sounds 80% of the way to the finish line. Then I boost the frequencies that sound exciting and that don’t clash with other sounds. And honestly it sounds pretty good. I think you do make a valid point that the arrangement is gonna be a huge determining factor in the quality of the song, though. If two guitars and a vocal all want to be heard in the 1.5 kHz area then it will take some twiddling, for instance. Which is why if I’m using the same guitar rig twice, I’ll switch pickups for the second guitar part. But still, boost in other areas and it seems to work.

There generally are no rules that always apply. With sub par recordings you sometimes have to scoop out frequencies. But he probably gets expertly recorded sounds that don't need much corrective EQ. It all depends on the material.

Never dipped into overloading a pre-amp but I have added distortion to vocals to give them a bit more character. Interesting that you really make the plugins work. Everyone is scared of "digital artifacts" so no one pushes their plugins. Maybe we need to reconsider. Personally, I've never been afraid of taking 10-20 dB off a vocal part in one shot, despite people telling me "only do a little in each one" and love the 1176 emulators in the right circumstance. (I also love the sound of a fairchild.) Never thought of using a limiter at the end of a vocal chain just to keep it within the dynamic range you want it. Interesting idea!

I reduced my chain to five plugins. Changed my life. I stopped over tweaking. NS1 - SSL EQ - LA2A - Deesser - L2

@bf4lvr

10 ай бұрын

Same

And that was the tip that change my mind and approach forever... Amazing! Thanks for that Waves! Thanks CLA!

@hummarstraful

3 жыл бұрын

I just took one of my rock mixes and got rid of all the high passing on guitars and kick. The mix sounded huge. Still needs adjusting, though, as all the low end hit the compression harder than before and the mix over all needs more high end now. But, it was a satisfying sound. Before i would try to get more bottom end from my mixbus EQ. Now it makes more sense to do CLA's approach and let the tracks extend more into the lower range.

@jbaranowski1990

3 жыл бұрын

@@hummarstraful Yeah. I don't know where it comes from that you need cut some frequencies in one instrument to make space for another one. I used to use HPF on every track and final sound always sound lifeless. Now I use LSF (not HPF!) only on instruments that are not bass instruments at all like snares, cymbals, etc. And on instruments with bass freq I use LSF just a little bit sometimes and almost never higher than 50-60hz. And everything sounded great with no dullness at all! I think more important freq range than bass is midrange which is scooped too much too. Appropriate mid frequencies can make wonders for any instruments or vocal. Real instruments have almost nothing in sub-bass range. Maybe electronic music or synths/synthbasses but when you check freq response of real instruments in spectrum analyser you can clearly see that they lived in 2nd or 3rd lowest charmonics. For example bass guitar live in 80-150hz not in 30-40-50hz.

i like the kick ass and take names approach to mixing....

@neovxr

3 жыл бұрын

YT will soon deplatform him for shocking some egg-shells...

Thank you saying this! The carving thing never made sense to me as a musician. Our sounds are meant to mash together harmonically, tonally, rhythmically, and dynamically.

gonna try it and let that light go red! 😁

I love this guy.

if there's anything i've learned from watching CLA videos, it's that you can get away with just slamming the absolute hell out of whatever you want if its tasteful

he's so on fire always....never afraid....

epic vid! Can't thank you enough!!!!!

And I quote ..'there is room for everyone its a big table;'...good stuff 👍🏾..its always about what works best in the situation ;^)

Glad i stumbled upon this video again. "you're overthinking it!" man. ain't that true. with all the wealth of knowledge out there sometimes we get so caught up in the small details where everything needs to have space and whatnot then you have CLA saying he wants the full range of every instrument. haha yeah he EQ's and compresses but he just does it by what feels and sounds good and not necessariy looking at the numbers. okay, back to mixing.

lmao the outro scared me for some reason

You don’t need to make room for other instruments. It’s a big enough table. 🤯

Straight gold

The ending part ....too much sense

At least he didn't say gain staging was pointless

@SupernovaSun77

3 жыл бұрын

After you get your sound then balance the mix. That’s what it looks like bro

Thank you for that!!!

Clipping is sauce xD

Wow, amazing

Ok when he says you don’t need to make room in the frequency range for each instrument my jaw hit the floor. I’ve watched a hundred videos this year pushing this ethos and now apparently we don’t need to? 😂🤯🙈

Wow this is great advice

You are Chris Lord Alge but to us you're Lord Chris Alge

Why not use the insert section to add the CLA-76?

@mrmorpheus9707

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@JamarConley

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter. It's still going to be doing the same thing in the same spot of the chain. Everyone works differently, it's going to yield the same results.

@SupernovaSun77

3 жыл бұрын

Cuz that plugin can use a lot of cpu the more you add to it. Easier to just add the 1176 separately

@Skkyyyyyyyyyyy

3 жыл бұрын

Why? It adds zero to the productivity. You get the same results either way.

@SupernovaSun77

3 жыл бұрын

@@Skkyyyyyyyyyyy no less cpu spikes so it’s better to use separately

Other than the usual hipass and low pass, I rarely ever carve out any other frequency ranges on my individual tracks to make room for others. Of course I do substractive EQ but not for that reason.

Legend!

The room advice at the end seems a littlte bit subcomplex... E.g. if you have 5 layers for your Leadsynth to make it sound great und it plays around 500hz to 16000kHz but has a lot of unwanted noise in the lower frequencies, then the noise will add up and will make your whole mix sound messy So its important to create different spaces for different instruments🤔

Big Table

#1 🔥

I love him for oversimplifying everything:)))) I wish I would be in his position to demand the musician: this guitar doesn't work with your voice, give me a new guitar track or let another band member sing this song again, or forget it :)) there is room for all, but only if they fit together :))) and damn he is so right....so many live wasting fucking time with eq shit:)))

Lord Chris Alge should really be what he's known as 😏 LEGEND !

What's that plugin CLA says he uses at the end of his chain? With 25 on it.

Cool , but where were these vocals recorded ? Did they go through Nev pre's and the rest of his tracking chain ?

I Agree

Compressing 20dB with one plugin?

Most of Waves Plugin make a Digital Clip cutting all the sound wave and distorting it!!! For me it seems Lord Agle doesnt uses his plugins or other waves ones... if so he wouldnt recommended to cranck all red lights.

Great video. Make room?🤷 that's what panning is for.

IT'S A BIG TABLE

Chris lord🙏🙏

Love it

Waves must ADD oversampling feature!! Cus when I compared to other plugins other plugins are much better

@SupernovaSun77

3 жыл бұрын

That’s cuz your not hitting them hard enough.

Love and respect the guy and his pedigree. Not a lot of useful advice here though. You don't need to turn up you tracks to - 1. It's perfectly fine to use input knobs on plugins.

damn. Trackspacer out of business!

@soundvirtue7322

3 жыл бұрын

Damn

@aricmeerbott3323

3 жыл бұрын

Not a chance. Trackspacer makes vocals crystal clearrrr. Love it.

Is he saying he normalizes his stems to about -1dB?

informative

Do you level your vocals with a vu meter does it matter

Room for everyone yerrr

I just purchased Waves CLA 76 but it is now working in my daw,when i open it on the channel it is not giving me any sound. It feels like the signal is no coming through it. I am using Ableton. Can anyone help me? Every other plugin from waves i own works just fine

@waves

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @la_ manche, our tech support department is open 7 days a week and will be more than glad to assist. Please contact us directly: www.waves.com/contact-us

@la_manche1204

3 жыл бұрын

@@waves i figured out the problem, everything is working fine now ! Thanks

As long as it's -6 to 0, you are good? If that's on PT faders, the mix bus is going to clip like hell. So he must have meant 0 on the build in VU meter in his mix hub plugin And then: "I never make space, there's room for everyone". Maybe he gets a lot of tracks from producers who already made space, which makes sense. Maybe his 'own' plugins which he puts on the busses have this EQ/filtering build in. If neither, he is about the only mix engineer on the planet not making space in a mix. He does cut lows in the vocal around 80 cycles though, and I have seen him do the same on hats around 150 cycles. I do love his work, a lot. His drum sound is amazing. And I dig his passion to pass on knowledge and get people excited for the engineering business. But please, do not oversimplify things to accomplish this, as in the end, that will accomplish quite the opposite.

@DMarlow83

3 жыл бұрын

Came here thinking the same thing... Most plugins are calibrated around - 18dbfs, some - 12 to - 14.

@massivebeatzz

3 жыл бұрын

You nailed it...the producers, or arrangers make space..Things fight each other less...If you have an orchestra that is well balanced, all that happens well before mixing. Mixing should not change the inherent quality or tonality of each song - that is the producers job...

LIFE CHANGINE VIDEO.

-6 and 0 your plugins are going to react 💎

@rickblackers88

3 жыл бұрын

i use to use like this today but some time ago i was afraid to death to a negative reaction

@bsteve3981

3 жыл бұрын

Is that -6 & 0 on a true peak?

@SupernovaSun77

3 жыл бұрын

@@bsteve3981 in your daw those meters. Just don’t digital clip and you are good.

CLA is like the trump of audio engineering

Sir how to best vocal mix in nuendow plugins

This one may just be a matter of preference because to me that vocal sounds distorted right from the get-go and never once in the video did it sound clean. It's impossible to know what it really sounded like based on the examples given

@SupernovaSun77

3 жыл бұрын

It was probably ran hot with an sm7b and a distressor for color.

@sirwanmusic

3 жыл бұрын

Im sure after the video he removed plugins & worked on those beautiful analog hardware 😂

@rhemaman

3 жыл бұрын

@@sirwanmusic too funny

@xanderprangler8621

3 жыл бұрын

It does sound hot and compressed, raw, but thats not uncommon in Rock vocals, since they usually have analog gear colouring the recording.

@rhemaman

3 жыл бұрын

@@xanderprangler8621 saturation is definitely something people can hear better because it widens the footprint that the track holds in the frequency spectrum. That jagged sound seems strong up front on just the vocal by itself, but may not be as noticeable as distorted or fuzzy in the mix bus. I understand. Just felt strange trying to observe the lesson with my mind on that instead

CLA's approach of never high-passing bass, kick, guitar or vocals (unless absolutely necessary) goes against just about everything the mixing community preaches. It may be that in a real studio with hardware that's easier to do. I find with mixing completely in the box I can never get the low end clear if i don't high-pass some stuff. Anyone want to add to what I'm saying? Still trying to figure this out.

@fret2fret221

3 жыл бұрын

I think it comes down to source material. If the initial recording is subpar then yeah, you may have to cut and scoop etc. not saying you’re recordings are subpar, but Chris is sitting in a high end studio and recording in a high end studio. And he has the gear and experience to get the sound perfect from the start. Where as we are likely fumbling through watching KZread videos trying to learn how to properly record a guitar or a vocal etc. I would say find a happy medium. Maybe not cut way out but definitely subtract certain frequencies from certain instruments or tracks, even by 1-2db will make a difference I think. And pay more attention to how you’re getting the initial raw recording.

@hummarstraful

3 жыл бұрын

@@fret2fret221 Good advice. One I've noticed about CLA's mixes, also, is that guitars and drums about about even in volume level, then he just feathers in the bass. The bass guitar is never dominant. That right there keeps the low end in control. After listening to several of his mixes through my studio monitors, I'd say the bass is about 15% of the mix. That's it. That then leaves low end space for guitars and everything else. Let me add, I've seen just about every tutorial video in existence by CLA. And in many cases he does high pass the kick around 30Hz. His statements on mixing are many times contradictory to what he actually does. In his video on KZread from Mix With The Masters of him mixing that Muse song, he cuts the "rumble" on many tracks, which of course is low end.

@jonathanreddish8590

3 жыл бұрын

hi fellow virgo.... you know the vibe i get is that whatever CLA is doing right now is the right thing, and it might change,... signed, another virgo asshole.

@stephenevans2518

3 жыл бұрын

@@hummarstraful high passing the kick isn't making space for other things though... I think there's some different meanings going on maybe. If you have well arranged and recorded music, then the different parts fit together and you don't have to compromise the sound of the individual parts to make them fit. That's what he is meaning here I think. Yes you may well high pass most things, but it's not to make it fit necessarily, it's because you don't want the low end in that track.

@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n

3 жыл бұрын

i reckon most of the stuff he's mixing is recorded in very high end studios by high end engineers and high end musicians... not many engineers are leaving all the eq's flat in that scenario, so he's already getting eq'd tracks from great gear, great players etc... that may be part of why he has this approach (but im sure theres more to it)

there is room for everyone it's a big table HHHH

📺👀... This sounds HORRENDOUS in solo, though... like the singer is choking on his own spit! 🤪🙉 Hymn

@massivebeatzz

3 жыл бұрын

yet - sounds about right in the mix..all about having fun.... I love the "not thinking " aspect... We think way too much about everything . Constant thinking deciding, strategizing, bettering our position....it must be exhausting....

@i.AmHymn

3 жыл бұрын

@@massivebeatzz Subjective, but I feel you. 💯 Hymn

he kinda lost me with the suggestion of "not needing to make room for vocals / there's room for everything" ... huh???? lol i respect him but eehhhh that must've been misinterpreted? So no side-chaining either? you know how many times carving out Hz's of one sound to make room for the vocal, or blending Kicks with Bass, etc. has saved my mixes ...i dont get it someone please chime in?

@diamondrefinement

3 жыл бұрын

good structured and well written song would be a case where his suggestion applies. but that doesnt mean its the ultimate rule to live/mix by

@Robotron9000

3 жыл бұрын

The tracks CLA receives come sounding great already.

@jurv7626

3 жыл бұрын

CLA makes room with compression and shaping with an eq, if he's send a 2track and a vocal he's not going to carve into the beat, he's going to compress and shape the vocals to fit within the beat, he also combines many reverbs, also CLA shapes the drums when recording it live

would say it's v different to john lennon but hey

The Chris Lorde plugins are all useless if you're an ableton 11 user....we need updates from Waves immediately. Waves also needs to figure out a better way to organize the "shells" that they mindlessly group vst's together in. All this being said, the Chris Lorde plugins are incredible chopping blocks for vocals and bass I find particularly.

@hummarstraful

3 жыл бұрын

Trust me, they are working on it. Thanks for the heads up, though. I'll stick to version 10 for now.

@andrestuart7994

3 жыл бұрын

There is 0 issues with Ableton 11 for me. Are you running V12 plug-ins? Also, make sure you are using VST3 for it to be organized, and not VST..

pft.

I learned nothing. Literally nothing from this.