"It causes insanity." Never thought I'd ever hear that on powernation.

@MrCarnutbill67

2 жыл бұрын

That explains a lot of shit I’ve seen at the track.

running Alky into the car shows is a lot of fun...Burns some eyes

Joe!!! Miss seeing that guy and Chuck, I watched them a long time ago....

Putting a great engine together is not as simple as they make it seem, there is so much more to assembling a race winning engine and to make it live .Not trying to bash anybody , it would take many episodes to show what goes into assembling a great racing engine, great video guys.

Pro tip, you need to use arp lube on all contact surfaces to allow proper torque.

The engine need evacuation tubes ran from the valve cover breathers to the headers near the ends to draw the condensation out through the exhaust. The cooler fuel in alcohol creates vapor when running throughout the rpm range.

@tomrose6292

2 жыл бұрын

This is true.those engines to condense moisture as they cool down from last run

@curvs4me

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea 💡. I like it. If you ran a big expansion chamber it should pull a vacuum right where the pipe expands

@MrCarnutbill67

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Unless you want milkshake filled valve covers.

@ChadWikwiki

Жыл бұрын

Great idea?? They've been doing that for years and years

awesome episode

So to convert to alcohol just high comp pistons and a alcky carb.. Got it

@RerrardedRedneck73

2 жыл бұрын

Get you some ngk tr5 spark plugs too

@eric63377

2 жыл бұрын

Also methanol is highly corrosive so don't let it sit around and a gas tank for a long time it will also eat rubber fuel lines

@eric63377

2 жыл бұрын

@John S high compression isn't needed. But it's either that or boost and that does = high compression. But your right the fuel system is needed also alcohol runs leaner so the carb has to be basically double up in jet sizes alcohol to gas is a 2:1 ratio alky 2 gas 1 = alky runs leaner and it corrodes rubber lines and steel lines it's stainless or the new plastic rubber braded lines. Also don't leave it set in the tank or the carb or the pump or injectors for a long period of time.

@fastlosiccdl4600

2 жыл бұрын

You did degree then cam ?

@kaylebbronks2720

2 жыл бұрын

@@RerrardedRedneck73 aA

The kink in that head gasket 😂

@danieljames5875

9 ай бұрын

Thing sounded half dead & so ruff and lazy,

The LS has the 4/7 swap incorporated into the design. So you know it's a given.

@damon______

Жыл бұрын

The ls isn’t a sbc

@curvs4me

Жыл бұрын

@@damon______ Obviously they don't make a 4/7 swap cam for motors that have it from the factory. The point is that GM spent millions in development on the LS and determined that the 4/7 swap was the best way for the firing order. Why would someone ignore the research and go with 18436572?

@damon______

Жыл бұрын

@@curvs4me just because the ls is newer doesn’t mean it’s better. I want to make good torque down loan and be able to drive it for more than a year. I don’t have money for a new lm7 every time I want to hit the gas. Tired of the sucky lifters and weak came chains. The one thing that wasn’t broken on the previous design they took a broke it

@curvs4me

Жыл бұрын

@@damon______ Head bolt pattern on the original is way better too. With modern head design and cams the OE small block in Dart or similar iron is more capable than the LS for big boost and big numbers.

@utvwerxoffroadfabdesign4172

Жыл бұрын

@@curvs4me I would agree on the subject of boost for earlier designs being superior to the LS, the exception being the 6 bolt LSX/ LS Next head bolt pattern. They’re are people making huge numbers (2000+ hp/tq) with those and zero head related issues.

At 13:06 you can see him splashing it ALL OVER! As he talks about NOT splashing it all over. I deserve a prize please!

I've seen Marty Hawkins car at Hub City in Hattiesburg, MS a few years back....that thing is a beast

Insanity? Well that explains a lot.

I would love to drive a sprint car! Big tires,light weight, and lots of power!

@rednecksports3712

2 жыл бұрын

It's a riot, I got a super late model. Only thing that blows my mind is I only have 358 on alcohol pushing 950 to the rear wheels so they have so much potential not bring tapped

@tomdeckerracing630

2 жыл бұрын

@redneck sports I can assure you, you’re 358 doesn’t make 950

@chadalac1977

2 жыл бұрын

@@rednecksports3712 wow more hp then the 410s sprintcar engine, huh you engine builder must know what's up 🤷‍♂️

@GJ-DT

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomdeckerracing630 and definitely not to the wheels 😂

@tomdeckerracing630

2 жыл бұрын

@@GJ-DT lol. thatd be one hell of a 358 tho hahah

I ran alcohol in my demolition derby engines for a couple of years. The cooling properties were great but I list too many features on mpg.

@sawyerbarnes7439

2 жыл бұрын

Drink 10oz of methanol and you'll go blind

Whoa this is an olddddd one 😆

I made 550 on 10:1 pump gas and a 236°@ .050 solid roller street cam and a low profile teamG to fit in a vette. On a conservative dyno! We did use the lighter/stronger I beam scat rods and a f-43 crank. That super V is to big and the cross section of those heads are prbly too small. The carb is to big and those rockers are nice for my 95' suburban. Infomercials for big corps and screwing the small builders that actually know what they're doing.

@brentonk461

2 жыл бұрын

950 carb on it will make more power than a 750, or an 850,

@brentonk461

2 жыл бұрын

Your 550 combo, probably would have possibly made 580 to 600 with more cam and compression.

@FloydODB

2 жыл бұрын

@@brentonk461 if you dont care about averages, throttle response and fuel efficiency

@FloydODB

2 жыл бұрын

@@brentonk461 would've made that with the more efficient vic jr. your right my 13.5:1 414ci race motor with AFR 227's with that same super vic and 950 carb and similar cam made 710hp @6750 with 112 race gas. Both 414 and 383 dynoed with a driven water pump and fuel pump and the 383 had the 195cc comp AFR heads. The intake cc # means crap if the minimum cross section is to small. Their cam and induction are oversized for that head. Just infomercials to sell the sheep parts.

@drivinwithdrew7676

2 жыл бұрын

It was a cool episode, but I agree my 11.0 383 with a lunati 243/249 solid roller hasn’t been on the dyno, but according to the holley system it’s drinking 580 hp worth of fuel at 7k rpm, traps 88 mph in the 1/8th at 4700+pounds, those scorpion rockets worked on that motor for 30k miles before they were trash. Running comp ultra pro magnum xd’s now

Didn't mention the need for much more frequent oil changes that comes along with alcohol.

@baby-sharkgto4902

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. It’s a race engine

Would love for you to build a Chevrolet 3.1V6 lot of people like those engines for durbys and more you can get carb kits for them and more

That's what good to know thanks just saying

Can you imagine the power it would have made if it had any ring seal?

@baby-sharkgto4902

2 жыл бұрын

I remember the first time I saw an engine on a dyno

@mikasantos3774

11 ай бұрын

I saw the blowby aswell

why the fuck would I need a 6$ DVD when it s free in here ? very nice show guys !

Id really like to see an episode with no scripts, see if these "car guys" really know what their talking about

The secret of more power was the Froot Loops... as shown at 6:14

@flinch622

2 жыл бұрын

No, no. It's the strawberry [hill]: motor runs on boones farm. If you break down, just break out the plastic cups.

@Zachsmoparandmashedpotatos

2 жыл бұрын

Kellogg’s piston rings 🥣

I wonder what that motor will make on race fuel ..? Just wandering I put a motor togather very very similar to that but I'm running 110 octane.13.7 to 1 compression.

Run mine well past 7000rpm. factory Chevy block, Stock Rods.

As a chemist I wondering if the insanity set in prior to your discussions on methanol. While methanol is quite dangerous if ingested it isn't nearly as scary as you all make it out to be.

@ethanvega9403

2 жыл бұрын

Well people do make moonshine and the higher temp you boil your mash then the more methanol can be produced but some people do ingest 1 percent methanol and but the higher percentage you ingest you could die instantly because of how it reacts with your body or could go blind if you’ve taken 2 percent or just a tad bit more

@Parents_of_Twins

2 жыл бұрын

@@ethanvega9403 Death isn't instant with methanol especially when drinking moonshine contaminated with methanol. I'm not saying that methanol isn't dangerous just not nearly as dangerous as say hydrofluoric acid or a multitude of other chemicals. Drinking too much water can lead to death so caution is necessary with all chemicals.

7:26 that blue car is KSR's SoccerMom

@johnclary729

2 жыл бұрын

Filmed at least 11 years ago, so probably not.

@CarsandCats

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing, but has Kevin owned it that long?

Need to take that filter out of the funnel unless y’all want to start a huge fire from static

@KingJT80

2 жыл бұрын

That's why you use a ground strap ..

Is the fuel additive Liquid Power, top lube for alcohol fuel?

What brand of fuel and where do you buy it

I make 647hp/563tq on a 13:1 385 stroker on vp113. This engine should be making more than it is...

What kinda billet girdle is that

Can you guys remake this episode with the whole build plz

Y’all need to do a 380 and stroke it to a 383

a lot of blow by coming from that breather. rings are not sealing up

@eric63377

2 жыл бұрын

It's not that you have to put a Evac system on an alcohol engine because it generates a lot of condensation inside of the engine do to the engine sweating from how cool it is. Edit but if you did install an evac system it would help get the moisture out of the inside of the engine quicker.

@docsmallblock6584

2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that as well, a lot of blow-by!

@kregbelcastro2749

2 жыл бұрын

That's not blow by you can clearly see that's condensation burning off hence why it dissipates as soon as it comes out

How do they get these new cars with high H.O to run regular fuel

12.5:1 compression? That's it?!

How did you get 12.5 comp with 64cc chambers and -5cc pistons on a 3.75 stroke?? Seems 11.1 to me

@hamreracing333

2 жыл бұрын

15 thousandths head gasket but still seems like 11.8ish to me

@79huddy

2 жыл бұрын

Might have it negative decked and the Pistons hanging out the hole?

@andrewreece3861

2 жыл бұрын

None of it adds up. You can see at 9:20 it’s a sbc425030f05 piston which is 4.030”. Even with a zero deck and a 0.015 gasket it’s still only 11.8:1 with +5cc valve reliefs, and there is no way that engine is safe with a 15 thou quench. Going down to a 60cc head or using a 4.125 piston would get you in the 12.5:1 ballpark, but you still have that super tight quench.

@jrdmotorsports9718

2 жыл бұрын

10.8 with a normal gasket. 11.7 with their gasket.

pro tip Say wether or not the Dyno was corrected and how much

Race gas costs $5-$7? Huh? Was this filmed in 1985? How about twice that.

@-meat-

2 жыл бұрын

Early 2000s yeah, race fuel was cheaper then

@colbywedgworth9676

2 жыл бұрын

Sunoco 110 is about 7.50 a gallon but vp is about 8.50.

@Icutmetal

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, of course it’s an older episode.

For a Drag Racing motor, I would have retarded the cam 6° to carry the power out past 7500 rpm.

@pathobson6268

2 жыл бұрын

5 7=

I’ve always wondered about running an engine on compressed Hydrogen gas rather than liquid gasoline The reason being that it has virtually no CO2 emissions Obviously it’s an expensive fuel that’s hard to extract but putting that aside I’d love to see what kinda power you can get from it Then again I’m no mechanic so what do I know

410’s are getting 1000+ hp so there’s plenty of room left in that engine

@sawyerbarnes7439

2 жыл бұрын

I always think what would happen if they doubled the displacement of a top fuel dragster….. right. black hole. don’t try it haha

@alisaculley603

2 жыл бұрын

This engine was nothing special, 410’s run more compression, way more cam, way better heads etc. This is a very basic build compared to an all out race motor!

@MrCarnutbill67

2 жыл бұрын

Sure they do. The really good ones will cost you $75,000 to. Not a great comparison. Haha

Patriot Performance also operates ProMaxx cylinder heads from the same business. Be careful with the ProMaxx heads. The Shocker 200 Ford FE heads that I bought from them were kinda slapped together. The installed heights on the springs varied from 1.825 to 1.869. Also the springs they put on there for hydraulic flat tappet cams are WAY TOO STRONG. They killed my lifters almost instantly. Very few minutes and the lifters were killed which put all kinds of metal in the motor and killed the crank and all the bearings and of course the cam.

@Shade_tree_garage01

Жыл бұрын

That wasn’t the heads fault, that’s just flat tappet cams now-a-days

You should build a 400 sbc destroke (350 crank) it to a 377 then add alcohol see what you get . 650-700????

@walterhatfield8767

2 жыл бұрын

been there done that the most reliable engine ever had it in a dirt late model in the late 90's turned it 7500 to 8000 it lasted 2 complete seasons @ 2 shows per week

Can a methanol engine also burn pure ethanol ?

Did he say you can buy fuel grade alcohol for 2 dollars per gallon? I would love to know where you can get it that cheap.

@aribadanchi

2 жыл бұрын

I mean this was from 2005 lol

@177SCmaro

2 жыл бұрын

@@aribadanchi Lol so, a time machine?

"Some guy somewhere"

That cam is a lot underdone for those heads and compression. Also you shouldnt really need a girdle for only 7000rpm , and you could run way more compression than just 11:1 on methanol, most people I know are up around 14 - 15

@brucearterbury1856

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard E-85 and propane are optimized in that 14:1 15:1 range too. How about starting and warning up the engine on E-85 then switching to propane with a dual fuel system?

Make your own LS heads huh? Wonder where they got the design. I'd look no further then Total Engine Airflow/trickflo.

Even the Chevy engine is an alcoholic 🤣

Huge explosions from those clips are actually and cause of magnesium parts used on the cars.

@Icutmetal

2 жыл бұрын

Sure..

@Gettinbentoffroad

2 жыл бұрын

@@Icutmetal lmao they use magnesium wheels because theyre much lighter then carbon fiber when it comes to weight every 1ib un-sprung is equal to 3 ib of sprung weight and magnesium lights up very easily

@Icutmetal

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gettinbentoffroad Lmao all you want. Magnesium doesn’t just spontaneously combust on its own, and it doesn’t cause “huge explosions. Yes, it burns extremely hot, bright, and can’t be put out with water. Hold a torch to a solid piece, not a big deal; do the same to powder or ribbon form, and you’ve got a show.

How much less Hp/Tq would this engines equal produce on pump gas?

@angelovasilikos7980

2 жыл бұрын

Never mind lol. About 150. Ok cool

@jrdmotorsports9718

2 жыл бұрын

More, since this combination is actually a pump gas setup. Drowning it with alcohol is killing the power and rpm.

I've always wondered. Methanol has substantially less energy than gasoline. I've wondered how it makes more power. Even ethanol has more energy, but still less than gasoline. I suppose you can put much more fuel, requiring less air, into the cylinder.

@Cynsham

Жыл бұрын

Alcohol based fuels have higher octane ratings than gasoline, plus Methanol is often used as both the fuel as well as part of the cooling system in performance engines due to how cold Methanol burns in comparison to gasoline. Higher octane fuels are better suited to boosting an engine, you can increase the compression ratio, and in general higher octane fuels are more efficient for vehicles, especially performance vehicles.

@charlesvan13

Жыл бұрын

@@Cynsham My best understanding is that oxygen is the limiting factor. And alcohol requires less, so it can burn more fuel. And Nitro is only 1/4 the energy of gasoline, but makes 2x the power.

@charlesvan13

Жыл бұрын

@@Cynsham I know some racing classes use alcohol because an alcohol fire is much less dangerous than gasoline.

@mansikkamies9146

Жыл бұрын

Methanol has its own oxygen in it so you can run engines way richer to make more power

I'll stick with gasoline. Great numbers from that engine.

Methanol safer than gasoline? They may have burped that up back then, but there are two things against that. First, the flame burns so clean you can only spot a fuel fire [in broad daylignt] one of two ways: a heat mirage suddenly forming, or something nearby starts smoking for what seems to be no apparent reason. Second, it is not good for humans. There is a case to be made that it is human specific poison - other animals can tolerate certain amounts, but humans are unable to process any amount however small.

@bluespig1

2 жыл бұрын

Killjoy.

@anthonyking4387

2 жыл бұрын

You dont drink it anyway!

@austindoud273

2 жыл бұрын

Lol just drink some alcohol if you ingest any

@flinch622

2 жыл бұрын

@@austindoud273 Correct: learned that from a paramedic years ago - he carried a half pint of whiskey at all times.

Old guy sounds like Mike Rowe from dirty Jobs

UTI?

When can we see Ethanol? e85 to e100? Is it illegal? Methanol is not ethanol.

Holy crap.... grass on the edge of a dragstrip before the wall???

@Riley_1955

Жыл бұрын

I seen that myself......The longest I'd let anyone race on that strip would be too the 60 ft mark...Lol

"Lets talk about the history of methanol". Goes back 5000 years...

How much is this engine

That's interesting math, a flat top 383 and 64 cc chambers in most universes is around 11:1, I wonder what magic they came up with to achieve 12.5:1.

@yarrdayarrdayarrda

2 жыл бұрын

@@crackjack8320 Chamber volume is listed as actual, assembled and ready to install. So 64 is 64 unless they have been milled. 5 cc valve relief, approximately 10 cc of head gasket volume, and this also assumes perfect zero deck, my calculations come out to 11.03.

@mikemiller373

2 жыл бұрын

Alky @ twice the vol of gazoline will take up more space in the cylinder raising the compression. Just a theory...

I wonder if you could drive this on the street as a dd?

@MrCarnutbill67

2 жыл бұрын

You could daily it as long as you don’t mind getting “maybe” 3 mpg.

4 7 swap doesn't add enough power to compensate for all of the diagnostic issues it will cause in the

valve train sounds fuckeddddd. gezzzzzzzz

@CarsandCats

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt that they rechecked the valve lash after snugging up the stud girdle.

The cross section on that manifold is too large for that engine. Its suffering from lack of intake runner speed for alcohol.

@jrdmotorsports9718

2 жыл бұрын

Actually it isn't... IF the goal is 6800-7500 rpm. The cam and compression in that engine are way off, and too small for methanol. They are drowning it.

That thing sure has a lot of blowby. And why only 6000 rpm? It's a race engine with a good size cam. Turn it up to peak and a little higher to see if it holds on to those peak numbers or falls off.

@-meat-

2 жыл бұрын

Thats not blowby, that's burning condensation

@patrickmoore1017

2 жыл бұрын

@@-meat- Nope, blowby

@ScoredPiston

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickmoore1017 nope condensation. It dissipates too quick to be blow by. Blow by is oil that hangs in the air. That condensation is why you purge an alcohol motor and clear the fuel lines as well. Methanol produces 14 gallons of water per million BTUs of fuel burned. CH3OH is methanols chemical fomula. When combusted with oxygen, 2 molecules of methanol and 3 molecules of oxygen produce 2 molecules of CO2 and 4 molecules of H2O. The added moisture actually comes from the air because it’s burning more air than fuel. This is what blow by looks like. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zoudo62un83RgrA.html

@patrickmoore1017

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScoredPiston okay, but it's getting past the rings, lol. Hence, it's still called blowby.

@baby-sharkgto4902

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickmoore1017 I remember the first time I saw an engine on a dyno

😄 well the super vic II is the best small block intake ever made, not the super vic.

Shit where is race gas 5 to 7 bucks gallon ? More like 18 dollars a gallon here in philly area.

You better know what you are doing. The second it goes lean. Your engine is scrap iron

It sounded like it needed the rockers adjusted. clickety clickety

What was the compression ratio? I must have missed it.

@tomrose6292

2 жыл бұрын

12.5

@ForneyRider

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithbenson6866 15 thou gasket

@tomrose6292

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithbenson6866 I've shaved head and block almost to the gasket thickness ..I do have 13.7 to I pistons .running between 210 and 225 cylinder pressure .they are 64 heads..oh and it's .040.witch don't mean shit but it's actually 385..I got a channel .old ridge runner race truck....few short clips.needa get some part pics and stuff on there

@tomrose6292

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithbenson6866 I'm not running flat tops in mine lol.im .300 above the deck

@tomrose6292

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithbenson6866 yea keith I'm not flat top my slugs are appx .300 above deck .and I still have .460 valve to piston clearance.( Which did surprise me because the 12.5 to 1s I had in it actually had less but my cam was degreed 2°adv with 64 cc chambers..they are world products dart 2 heads

Real nice engine but Im surprised guys are still building 383 SBC where as SBC can easily go 427 and 454 and even 461 safely with a lot of nitrous. To me 383 SBC just seems like a thing of the past especially with the LS stuff making much more power.

@RustyCarnahan

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda like how the 327 was the be all end all of small blocks, until the 350 came along, eh?

@delljr2769

2 жыл бұрын

@@RustyCarnahan They're still decent, AFR heads can help get a older 327 or 350 over 400 horse which is respectable, but with today's new cars making 500+ horsepower the old SBC is basically are outdated. The modern Dart SBC blocks easily allow 4.000 stoke and I think up to 4.250. What people really need today is big Torque between 2000-4000 RPM. I wouldnt even consider a SBC less than 427. Even tho people can build a street, pump gas 383 producing 550 horse why not build a 454 SBC for around the same price and get the Torque increase.

pro tip, dont drink alcohol use it on ur chebby

He forgot to mention you have to change your oil and filter after every race . Methanol turns you oil to yoghurt and rusts everything in the motor when left standing a few days. Not to mention powder formation in the carbs , clogging of fuel pumps. No thanks. Not for me.

@johnpotsch7349

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, methanol will draw in moisture from the air if it's exposed. If you store methanol for racing, it's best to buy a test kit and check water percentage before running it in your expensive carb and race engine. Ethanol that's made from corn is similar to methanol and it will also pull moisture. It's a shame a guy can't hardly buy pure gasoline at the pump any longer, it stored alot longer and gave better fuel mileage. Pump gas nowadays goes to shit in 3 to 6 months. Here in the Midwest a guy needs to buy a treatment with enzymes that remove water from fuel in stored vehicles and lawn equipment or drain the fuel system and add pure gasoline during winter months.

Ark

0:52 that doesn't look like a man in drag

i thought flats with 64cc heads only make 9.5 to 1 maybe 10.5 to 1 he said they where doing to make it 12.5 ro 1 !

@jrdmotorsports9718

2 жыл бұрын

Typical 383 with flat tops and reliefs at 0 deck and 64cc chambers is 10.85-1. Perfect for pump fuel. Ironically, the cam they have is also great for that compression and pump fuel. Using the 4.100" x .015" gasket is 11.75-1. Nowhere near 12.5-1. Regardless, none of those compression ratios are enough for straight Methanol to make any real power.

Run that thing out to 7k

Where the hell you getting race gas for 6 bucks a gallon?!?!?!

I laugh at you with your alcohol I have the exact same engine pretty much except it's a 388 and I'm running old school fast burn heads and I run 93 pretty well below 100° outside

Dude u gotta shit ya dancin?

2 dollars a gallon 🤨

Race gas is way more than $5-7 bucks a gallon lol Regular gas is over $5 a gallon 💀

Just change the firing order

If a person has to hold their brakes on any car that car is not ANY muscle CAR any car will spend Wheels if any person hold any brakes

Big Squeeze and methanol!!

No money savings being you are using twice as much.

Get rid of the Holley

Sorry but not impressed with the results of that build. Seems like they didn't wind that small block up to 7 grand. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Ok so It's half the price of gas, but It burns twice as much...🙄 and you have to refigure all your jetting, absorbs water and It's corrosive AF... Come on!! If you want to make more power, than just build a 572 or a 632 on gas...

Pouring alcohol into tank should require safety glasses to be worn and not on top of hat.

@damon______

Жыл бұрын

Then do the same with gas

@damon______

Жыл бұрын

Do the same with water and coolant and oil and transmission fluid and def and air in your tires

ethanol not methanol is king

13:45 lololololol. You really got to check your script before you read it man. I think you mean show us how to swap a camshaft on that 4.7 . LMAO

@fuelnfire9268

2 жыл бұрын

No he means changing the cam too change the firing order. It's a chevy thing

Half the price for alcohol but you use double the amount…..so you’re not saving shit on race day there slick……

12:1 is NOT enough compression for an alcohol engine This build is a joke 😆

What a turd! A decent 360ci sprint engine is 200 h.p better. With smaller heads. 383 ci should make near 900 h.p. on alcohol. It would be an average performance street engine at that power level on gas with 11 to 1.

I just love how ignorant these guys are.