Watching Calvin build these is as close as I ever want to come to having to deal with wheels without spoke holes 😂

@be1100

Жыл бұрын

When he said that he was gonna take each nipple through that one hole, I started to wonder if the inside of the rim moved.... NOPE! When he pulled out the magnet, I instantly knew I never want to do this.

@krushiXX

Жыл бұрын

I do about 90% of wrenching on my bikes myself, and I hate TL tape with a passion. Been on these kind of rims for 3 years, replaced some spokes too -- never looking back. Just ordered a new pair of there Real-tubeless rims, carbon and asymmetric, of course. Sure, you have to lace them for an hour instead of 10 min. per wheel, but totally worth it.

@stachaibou

Жыл бұрын

How is this not an April Fool?

@SianaGearz

Жыл бұрын

​@@krushiXX I don't get tubeless. Why would you not want a tube? This is crazy. Solves so many problems.

@bigchungus914

11 ай бұрын

​@SianaGearz A main argument I've heard for tubeless is being able to run a relatively lower tire pressure without increasing the risk of a flat. This is especially good on mountain bikes riding on rough terrain when compliance affects the ride quality. 50psi tires over roots isn't fun. On a bike that will mainly be ridden on the road, tubes seems like the right choice to me due to its ease of serviceability and your decreased proximity to a bike shop than from a mountain (presumably)

never expected to see a homemade nipple clamp shown off on a bike tool channel, yet here we are

Calvin, Thank you for giving some patience perspective on some very frustrating aspects of our jobs. There is a lot to be said for accepting how challenging and frustrating a job can be before starting it so when it turns frustrating, the frustration just becomes an accepted bit of patience in the end.

Calvin is the cool uncle that knows pulls quarters out of your ears, cheers you up every time you see him, and can fix literally anything.

When Calvin said "I have a solution, but the first step is - ignore it." I felt that on a personal level 😂

Suddenly, tubeless tape doesn't seem so bad! Also, if you use tape that is a few mm wider than your internal rim width, the tape will extend slightly up the wall of the rim on either side and is much less likely to be disturbed when installing/removing tires.

@SianaGearz

Жыл бұрын

What was wrong with having a tube, and why are you inventing so much unneeded trouble?

@yonglingng5640

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. If you use rim tape that matches your rim's internal rim width, it won't cover the entire width of the rim bed as the valley adds distance between two sides of the rim bed. The perfect width is always a little wider and it varies from rim to rim as different rims have different rim bed profiles.

@daiac1234

2 ай бұрын

오~~ 친절한 설명 감사합니다.

I could watch Calvin shaking the wheel for days.

Another great video! Thank you! Pro tip: Using the attachment hose from your vacuum cleaner on the valve hole will greatly reduce the amount of shaking needed to get any loose nipples/debris out of the rim. Just make sure you use a clean vacuum bag / clean out your vacuum beforehand to make finding the sucked out object easy.

Suggestion: tie a small feather to a long piece of dental floss and shove it in one of the spoke holes. Apply shop vac to the valve hole and vacuum the feather out. Then use the dental floss to pull the nipple back the other way.

Calvin is just sooooooo good. I do enjoy watching him do his magic and he is an amazing teacher!

Calvin thank you, this is one of your best. Loved the whole thing. Also have a wheel to fix (no spoke holes)

This system is called MoMag and it was developed by Campagnolo a while ago. Only recently it got adopted by other rim manufacturers. Campagnolo's best kept secret.

Looks like fun! I appreciate the creative approach to problem solving and expect to be very busy building these up if they really catch on. Thanks!

Campagnolo having been making their wheels with "no spoke holes" for years. They provide a special steel screw that threads into the nipple and magnet.

@FrancisSpecker

Жыл бұрын

Shamal 2-way fit, been around for almost 10 years

@tweed0929

Жыл бұрын

Right. It's called MoMag.

Best Bike Mech on KZread!

CALVIN JONES!!! Genius technique! Thank you for sharing with us

Yeoleo rims also have an unpierced rim bed. They come with nipples preinstalled from the factory :) Combine with a straight pull hub and bladed spokes, that makes for a wheel that actually laces quicker than a traditional wheel with J-bend spokes. The spoke pattern is determined and fixed in place by the hub, so you can insert all spokes at once before lacing. The spokes can be freely rotated to thread in the nipples, so no need to losen the tape securing the nipples untill the wheel is fully laced. The flat surface of the bladed spokes makes them a little easier to turn...

@MxCraven

Жыл бұрын

Is it possible to replace a spoke nipple on those, or is the whole rim dead if you break a nipple?

Thank you for this interesting wheel build.

Informative. Thank you.

Such an artistic video chock full of sage advice!

I’m intrigued… I’ll have to look into those wheels.

looks like a Light Bicycle Falcon Pro Rim :D

When installation is easier this tech is going to be fantastic.

You make learning fun!

Great video as usual from Calvin - it gives me inspiration to stay with more traditional wheels I will buy polyruthan tubes instead on tubeless

Excellent as usual for this tedious job😢 anyone has to agree Calvin has a lot of patience 😂

I just started out as a bike tech at my shop and in a month I have sky rocketed my knowledge because of BBB-4 and park tool videos. I rather watch park tool videos than like tv shows 🤣

Awesome video 👍🤘

And for all we know Calvin is still shaking that wheel today :)

To anyone that is interested, including you, Calvin, I have been building tapeless rims since last fall, and have found several tricks/tips to make the process easier, but it still is a time consuming process. It is really nice when done and many times the tire holds air without using any sealant at all, but still add it for puncture healing. Look forward to hearing from anyone interested.

@khazza930

Жыл бұрын

I really hope you've figured out a away to deal with loose nipples inside!!

@ricktan5663

Жыл бұрын

Which rim is this?

@steveedwards5280

Жыл бұрын

I also build tapeless in a style not dissimilar to Calvin. I use nylon sewing thread tied to a shorter length of spoke. Drop it in the spoke hole and draw it out of the valve hole with the magnet. Screw on the nipple and washer and pull the thread through. Rather than the modified peg, I found a bag of miniature pegs at a craft store and now put all the nipples in first held in place with the mini pegs. Start opposite the valve hole and work back so you're not installing nipples over the top of existing ones.

@MountainBikeBarbados

Жыл бұрын

I'm curious what you charge to build a set compared to the regular rim? I can't see many people being too happy when you charge 3x the price of building a normal wheel, well at least that's what I'd be charging for doing it and the amount of time it'd take.

@anthonyschaus2283

Жыл бұрын

@@MountainBikeBarbados Hi MBB, I build the wheels for a friend who has his own business and he does all of the business dealings. Im fairly confident that the charge isn't what it could be but if you're interested I can give you his name and number. I know at one point we were building and selling carbon fiber, aero, gravel bike wheels for a price that was extremely reasonable

this would make tubeless setups so much easier

Definitely interesting wheel concept....But I am good watching Calvin lace that wheel.

I like my tubeless tires to ride on, but when they need replacing I'm going back to normal tires. Tubeless aren't worth the hassle.

@stephenkohler3472

Жыл бұрын

The TPU tubes from Schawlbe, Tubolito, Perelli, etc. are just as light or lighter than sealant and a tubeless valve. If you're not concerned with running super low pressures and don't have thorns/cacti on your trails, they're a great option.

@minuteman4199

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenkohler3472 I'm mostly a bike commuter, and my problem with tubeless has been that I have to pump them up about every other day because they go soft too quick. Pumping up tires used to e something I'd have to do every few weeks.

@knife1406

Жыл бұрын

@@minuteman4199 generally if you dont get much flats tubeless only really makes sense on mountain bikes and sometimes gravel. if you are just commuting on paved roads id just get some puncture resistant tires.

@minuteman4199

Жыл бұрын

@@knife1406 Agreed. I used to use Gatorskins (Continental?) and they were great.

@stephenkohler3472

Жыл бұрын

@Minute Man Oh, yeah. Tubes all the way for that scenario. Continental has a big selection of commuter tires now. It's the "contact" series. Most have flat protection. Im planning on running the contact urbans on mine soon.

Love it

I own two pairs of these rims and they're great if you don't break spokes often. Not sure I'd want to build them up but I bought them pre-built.

Nice job god bless

Soon as they is a park tool for this Sealed Rim the better and while more time consuming just like all wheels one takes there time anyways and once done it will pay for itself in time saved in no need to replace the rim tape. Something magnetic that threads into the nipple that has a rounded end with that 🧲 park tool and a new small park tool for grabbing it in place will be great to see in the future

Hello Bonjour Calvin Merci beaucoup à bientôt 🖐️😊 👍

Nice to see you in your elementals.

You gotta paint that clothespin proprietary blue

I had a situation with a wheel, so I tried this technique, and was amazed at easy it was and how well it worked. Now I have to go and cut down a clothes pin.

Thankyou big "C" For an entertaining vid

Trying to watch this working out on the trainer and it's the most stressful video I have ever seen 😂

I have built a few wheels with this type of rim and used exactly the same technique. It is much easier with straight pull spokes, but still doable with J bend. That clothespin hack is genius. My big fat fingers have a hard time manipulating the nipple to get it started. Definitely going to try that next time.

For those who find that internal cable routing is not enough of a challenge.

I could see Park Tool coming up with a tool kit for building Tapeless rims. It would include an anodized BH 1.2 clamp and magnet handle!

@khazza930

Жыл бұрын

I can totally see a micro-spoke where only the tip is magnetic would come through the hole much more easily... and some kind of a mini net to fish out the loose nipples: net can go through the hole and opens up inside the rim, catches the nipple and you just pull out... c'mon Park tool!

@bcr4832

Жыл бұрын

The fishing stud could be built with a magnet only at the tip and the rest non magnetic to make it more likely to hit the hole without the wiggling around so much.

Great video Calvin ! My Campy Bora WTO tubeless wheelset does not have spoke holes and I can instal a Pirelli P Zero Race tubeless tire as fast as a tube type system.

Tapeless rims for my tubeless tires on my bike with clipless pedals to go sking on my waxless skis.

The clothespin is genius!

"you saw *that* was fun, and now its gonna get better". great problem solving.

Calvin meu professor Deus abençoe "sempre" você e sua família. meu amigo Calvin sou do Brasil!🇧🇷🛠️⚙️🔧🧰👩‍🔧🇧🇷

INR-2 is a set of internal nipple rims sold by park tool. You should check those out in the next video.

It really test my patience if i have one of that rim

I think they should be called the WBTS - Wheel Builder Torture System

When I came across this problem on one of the road rims around 15 years ago I used brake cable that you feed through nipple hole and push it until it reaches valve hole, than you pull it out with thin nose pliers feed the nipple and the cable will guid it to the right place. I found it much faster than magnet.

Must have been a monk in another life 🙏

Dealing with internal routing is bad enough. Now we have to deal with this too! 😅

Campagnolo/fulcrum have been using this design for like 10 years, both alu and steel spokes

@parktool

Жыл бұрын

Yes, correct. But with this system, you get to be part of the fun, picking hubs you want and spokes you like.

Two tips; a small thumb screw threaded into a spoke wrench. A strong string/rope attached to the steel spoke spike, put it into desired inner hole and work with the magnet to the valve hole add nipple pull back to inner hole, attach above mentioned spoke wrench and tighten thumb screw test the proceed as normal.

Learning this is advantageous I’m sure…but the learning curve is an actual nightmare haha. Thanks for the tips though it’s greatly appreciated.

That's an interesting wheel. I am also a wheel builder.

Gotta love the mechanical advantage

I'm always happy to see I'm not the only bike mechanic who refuses to comb my hair 😂

Bet the BH-1.3 will look a lot like one of those rubberized crocodile clamps xD soldering on a regular basis I totally feel you! holding all those tiny pieces can be such a pain :D

Legend has it, he's still shaking that rim ....

My man needs the Park Tools HB-01 hair brush

Inside-Out Rims

I'd love to see a special Park Tool tool instead of the books. Something like BK-400 (as in 400 page book). 😉

I recently rebuilt a wheel with this kind of rim, it's not as hard as I thought, though a little more time-consuming. Just need to be careful not to knock the nipple back into the rim when the guide is removed from the nipple.

That would be a pile of scrap metal on my garage floor within the first hour.

@emirrp

Жыл бұрын

How can that be. Your a minuteman, You only do things for a minute or they only take a minute for you.

@minuteman4199

Жыл бұрын

@@emirrp Ha!! maybe a bit of both.

@peterwillson1355

Жыл бұрын

@Emil Persson maybe just very very small...

Just leave the dropped nipples in the rim for future road/trail-side repairs! Easy-peasy!

Love the thumbnail xD

that new tool will be blue and 50$ a pop 😆

I built my first bike at the end of 2022. I decided to also lace my first own custom wheels by Light Bicycles with no access spoke holes. Despite it being a 24 hole, I probably laced both wheels in about 6 hours. I threaded a magnetic screw into a nipple and thread it through the valve hole with a magnet. Not that much different from Calvin.

The un-holy system!

Calvin, maybe when a nipple gets stuck in there you should try pairing one of those little sealant adding tubes from the Tsi-1 with a vacuum cleaner to stick or suck up the spoke out of the rim.

Ill stick with tape, 2 laysers did it every time. As alway love the energy.

Rim tape for me dawg!

@7:23 finally wheel builders can earn their keep.🤣 I'll have to think long and hard whether I want to go this route on my next wheel build. Looks like a right PITA.🤕

@yonglingng5640

Жыл бұрын

I built a rear wheel with such a rim bed once, a little time-consuming, but not as bad as I thought, just be careful not to accidentally knock the nipple back into the rim.

I've always referred to it as a sealed rim bed. I get mine from light bicycle.

@rosco0101

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure the rim in the video is from Light Bicycle also, as the finish is the same.

I started lacing my own wheels from my second set onwards. I've probably built about 30 wheels. If I ever get these rims I'm dropping them off with at a LBS

Why not make it a star-like tool (for turning) that can both clam down where it splits in two, and do the magnet operation? Bonus for making the insertion hole parabolic so the spoke is guided into the nipple. Has to be slightly concave to account for the bend in the rim. Maybe rims like this exist in 16" size?

I like building wheels. Recently built a huge one for my bew unicycle. During the process accidentally dropped a nipple inside. It took 20 minutes to get it out. I don't think I'd enjoy building that holeless rims, lol.

A video or bullhorn handlebars and cable length needed. Can you make a video about it? Thanks 💙

i'm calling it The Unholey Wheel Standard

I really hope these start becoming more commonplace on prebuilt wheels, especially mountain bike ones. Tubeless is nice, but the rim tape is the absolute worst part of the whole system.

Legend has it calving jones is still shaking his wheel imagine if more fell in 😊☠️

Can i ask how or what to do to fix the shifter on my bike My shifter for the rear derailleur is a bit hard/stiff when going to 4 or higher gear, but when it comes to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd it works fine and easy to press/shift/click. Is there a way to fix it or does it need to replace some parts. Thank you in advance.

I SWX coin the term Enclosed system. for the closed wheel. April 9, 2023

A steel ball on the tip of an aluminum stud might be the ticket if you had to do this often, save all that fiddling around.

Tweezers can get elusive nipples out at the end of the wheel build process . A shaped scalpull can also be useful inserted against one side of the valve hole to catch these nipples .

I offer these as wheelsets and call it tapeless tubeless for lack of better word. I have developed a method to optimize the threading process. Thread all nipples amd secure them, then lace. Straightpull hubs make it a ton easier as you can twist the spoke into the nipple.

@automaticraccon

Жыл бұрын

Aikon G740 by Bockstein is the name of the wheels, gravel/allroad optimized

@parktool

Жыл бұрын

The straight pull makes a great partner with these types of rims.

@bocksteinbikes

Жыл бұрын

@@parktool Once you get used to this type of rim it's hard to beat as a product. We found that using straightpull spokes, a Sapim SILS nipple that has a dimple to stop easy thread engagement (so you get consistent depth while twisting the spoke into the nipple on first lacing) and a lacing jig in conjunction with prepping each rim before lacing speeds up the process immensely. We are down to 10-12 minutes per wheel, for lacing, including nipple threading via magnet.

Could they add some non-structural material to the interior near the valve hole so loose nipples funnel out easier instead of getting caught on the side like I assume happens?

@yonglingng5640

Жыл бұрын

It should be possible, I haven't seen any rim with this design yet, if it does exist.

So, when will the IRN-1 (internal routed nipple kit) be available to purchase?. Of course it will have to include he BH-1.2 as well.

Like dropping a pick inside an acoustic guitar.

you know when I will buy this wheel? one day after never

bloody 'ell mate.. I had those wheels in the 90s - we were all on inner tubes back then and no one was worried about a sealed rim. It was just Mavic being Mavic ...I miss seeing that Black and Yellow logo all over the MTB scene seems they've gone out of fashion

@mattgies

Жыл бұрын

More like out of business. There's been some serious turmoil. But we may see a comeback.

Will a IR-1.3 (Internal Cable Routing) work with this method? Maybe update it with a nipple adapter at one end?

Try a dab of some thick grease on the end of a spoke, pop it in the hole from below, move the rim to get the nipple to stick to the grease then slowly withdraw the spoke. With any luck the nipple will be pulled far enough to drop out the hole after the spoke.

How can I get a park tool repair kit