No one ever shows how the overflow works. All the videos just focus on the sump tank and never explain how the water gets down there without going all over the place.

@adrianaeileen1380

5 ай бұрын

OMG I’m having the same problem! Like I’ve watched so many videos on how to build a sump but none on the overflow

@tdeggysun

5 ай бұрын

Katie talks about it in a canister vs sump video of hers!!

@rlochary9352

2 ай бұрын

I use a cpr overflow box

A good sump is so awesome. A great filter and an extra 20 gallons in the system. You've got happy fish.

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! You can’t beat that.

Awesome sump!! Very Good Info and it looks very good!! im gonna be working on here shortly. New Subscriber 🔥🔥🔥

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thanks and good luck with the build. 😎

Good info, thank you! 😃👍

@nextdooraquatics5013

8 ай бұрын

Np. 🤓

Super sump! 🔥👍

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

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Thanks for convincing me to stay with a canister as the flooding issue with power failure is not addressed. Be it the tank or sump.

@nextdooraquatics5013

3 ай бұрын

This video isn’t about that. The tank will not drain past the overflow. The sump level needs to be such that whatever excess water coming down in the event of a power failure will not overfill the sump. Pretty simple. The primary issue is back siphoning via the line from the pump. My output sits above the water, so it isn’t an issue. On my reef tank, I have an inline check valve.

@gray.photography4839

2 ай бұрын

I did not even think about that part. Thank you for bringing it up. We have power failures pretty often when it rains. No more sump videos for me lol

@jeffalley4417

27 күн бұрын

​@gray.photography4839 maybe he isn't explaining well... if the top line has a very short stack, it will only "suck" out (let's say) 10 gallons. If your sump can recieve 15 without overflowing, you built everything properly...

That's pretty cool thanks for sharing I've been wanting to do a sump for over a year so I'm going to give it a try.💯✌️👍 I'm also a new sub.

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

Awesome. 😀. It’s easier than you would think. I definitely like it as a filter because of all the room for media and how easy it is to clean/access. Definitely better then a canister, though I like them as well. 👍

@markfranklin8831

Жыл бұрын

I worry about mildew forming in the cabinet under the tank?

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

@@markfranklin8831 my stand is open on the bottom, but I’d say if you have a tight lid on it it shouldn’t be a big deal.

The overflows are well thought out. The sump tank is sized to hold the amount that will overflow into the tank, without power, the main tank will dump its extra water into the sump tank, which will hold all of the overflow water, and nothing will leak

My cat for whatever reason also loves the sump on my tank.

@nextdooraquatics5013

7 ай бұрын

lol. Cat tv.

Just watching for the cute 😺

@nextdooraquatics5013

2 ай бұрын

Haha. She is a looker.

Thank you for this. I'm moving from years of canister filters to sump, after much encouragement from my friends.

@nextdooraquatics5013

7 ай бұрын

Nice! Welcome.

Very cool - I'm planning on setting one up for my 75 gallon. I wonder if you could potentially culture daphnia in the first section of the sump (fed with bacteria and protists coming down before filtration). Another thing I'd like to try is doing a freshwater refugium just before the return pump with Ceratophyllum demersum (hornwort) with a mounted gooseneck LED set to come on at night.

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

Nice. I’m not sure about the culture setup, but that sounds cool. I have an update video on the sump. I added a refugium with Java moss, hornworm, and another plant I can’t recall the name of. 💪

@sedghammer

Жыл бұрын

@@nextdooraquatics5013 Oh cool, I'll look for it and watch it now! :D

Good job, my friend. My skill level at building things is close to zero but watching your sump build has encouraged me to try. Where did you purchase the foam? Thank you.

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! You should give it a try. You can make it as simple or complex as you want, it will work all the same. 😂. I purchased the foam on Amazon. It came compressed. It soaked it in the bathtub to expand it. Good luck.

Nice setup mate! I’m thinking about doing the exact same when setting up my sump. Simple and effective. One question… the return pipe back to the tank, do you keep it out of the water to prevent back siphoning? If so is there much noise from the water crashing g back into the tank? Thanks

@nextdooraquatics5013

2 ай бұрын

Thanks. Yes, the return sits just above the water. There isn’t much noise from the outlet, especially compared to the overflow.

Hi By running the air pump in Sir Sam filter, the fishes in the atrium

Good video! I'm going to be setting up a 125 soon. Have always gone with either canister or HOB filters in the past. But thinking of sump for this one. Only things i don't quite understand are, how do you know what size return pump to go with? And, how do you keep the tank from draining if there's a power outage?

@nextdooraquatics5013

6 ай бұрын

Thanks. It depends on what overflow you install. You want to pick an overflow that can handle the gallons per hour of your pump. Depending who you ask, you want to turn the water volume of the tank over 5-10 times an hour. The water level in the tank is set by the overflow. If the power goes out, the water will only drain to the top of the overflow into the sump. You want to make sure, in that case, that the sump doesn’t overflow. Usually the sump level is low enough to prevent this.

That’s a nice simple sump. I was trying to figure out how to setup an easy sump. How are the filter pads standing up working out without any filter socks? Do they traps the nasty stuff well?

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

They are doing a good job so far. Keeps the tank clear. I might upgrade to one course, one medium, and one finer pad in the future, but it works well as it is.

@pacificreefer4495

Жыл бұрын

@@nextdooraquatics5013 nice! I’m running a marine tank now and switching to a discus tank. The sump system I’m using now runs directly into filter pads and would be a death trap for small fish so I want to have the 1st section open in case they go down the drain, so to speak. This would work. Also, if the section gets all gunked up, it will be easy to clean

@pacificreefer4495

Жыл бұрын

So, I’m still trying to decide how to setup my sump. Without a filter sock, does the bottom of your sump get all gunked up with detritus or does it get blow into the sponges and the sponges catch everything?

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

@@pacificreefer4495 the bottom tends to get dirty, but it doesn’t bother me.

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

@@pacificreefer4495 filter socks would be a nice addition for finer filtration, but in this case I wanted a sump I don’t have to touch but maybe twice a year. Lol.

Most overflows that style lose siphon when pump shuts off and can’t restart automatically when pump comes back on. Is that the case with yours?

@nextdooraquatics5013

5 ай бұрын

No, I can turn off the pump when I do maintenance and start it back up without any issues. It’s been running well over a year and has never lost siphon. The box is designed in such a way that the U tube is submerged on both sides even when the pump is off.

what happens if there is a power outage , will the water drain from the main tank overfilling the small one???? what prevents the water drainage to the floor?

@nextdooraquatics5013

6 ай бұрын

You have to account for however much water drains into the water level in the sump.

by running the air pump in the evening filter box fresh will get air

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

Running an air pump is a good idea. The sump creates surface agitation when the water enters the tank again, thereby oxygenating the water. 😁

How do you make sure that water don't come out of sump

@nextdooraquatics5013

3 ай бұрын

This depends on how you set up the overflow and the return line. The water level in the sump should be set so that, in the event of a power outage, the excessive water flowing down before the weir stops the flow will not overfill the sump. The return line needs to either be above the water line, as is the case on this setup, or have a check valve so that water does not back siphon when the power goes out. Some people also drill little holes in the return line just above the water line so that the siphon breaks.

Hey can you give us an update please on your sump design if you are still using it? If so, Is there anything you would change or any mods? I’m setting up my 125g also and was gonna use your sump filter idea in a 20g long. I’ll be using it for anoxic filtration. It’s simple but seems quite effective! TIA

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

Hey. It’s still running much the same as it was in the video. The basic design is the same, but I’ve added a lot more bio media and some pot scrubbers in the first chamber where the water comes in. I have also divided it into another chamber for a refugium with plants. It’s simple, but effective.

@remievarias1347

Жыл бұрын

Thanks man. I’m gonna go ahead and give it a try. It beats cutting glass and the messy silicone that ends up everywhere smh lol. Simple but effective is the way to go!

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

@@remievarias1347 definitely! I don’t think the baffles are really necessary, plus the massive sponge provides tons of surface area. Good luck. ✌️

I just got into sumps how do I go about the plumbing?

@nextdooraquatics5013

10 ай бұрын

Nice. You can make it as complex or easy as you like. On this tank, the return line is facet hose from Lowe’s. I used plumbing parts from their sprinkler parts to build the return nozzle over the tank rim and drilled a hole in the black plastic and zip tied it down. The drain is an eshops flexible tube made specifically for the purpose. It definitely helps to be handy. On my salt tank, I hard plumbed it in with pvc.

Where did you get that big of sponges?

@nextdooraquatics5013

3 ай бұрын

I had to order them on Amazon. They came vacuum sealed and I put them in the tub with a little water to puff them back up.

What version is the eshopps overflow? I’m planning on doing a sump for my 210 gallon soon, and looking into these or the CPR Aquatics overflows. Is the water flow loud? Thanks

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

This one is the PF800. I wanted a little overkill. The return pump is probably in the 400 ish GPH.

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Hi Bro! You have utilised too much space of your cabinet for sump. Better try for raceway system for sump. Using acrylic partition too would help you in maintaining your cleaning purpose! It's not critics, It's for your next level and coming out of the box. Enjoy your work.

@nextdooraquatics5013

Жыл бұрын

Hey. Thank you. I am very happy with it. More water volume is the biggest benefit of a sump. Acrylic partitions aren’t necessary and would make the sump more complex and harder to clean. Acrylic also doesn’t bond to glass super well with silicone. I am not opposed to out of the box sumps, but I like DIY projects and I was doing this particular sump as cheap as I could.

Most of your water isn't touching that bio though?

@nextdooraquatics5013

5 ай бұрын

Maybe that appears to be the case, but it isn’t.

My issue is nothing affordable has dead head pressure. Debating attempting harbor freight utility sump

@nextdooraquatics5013

7 ай бұрын

The pumps can get pricey fast, for sure.

@thedampestcrib6004

7 ай бұрын

@@nextdooraquatics5013 I say I think utility could work and just put relief hole by the pump

@nextdooraquatics5013

7 ай бұрын

@@thedampestcrib6004 you could probably get it to work, but those pumps may be loud. I’m not sure. They probably aren’t made with that in mind.

basically don't follow anything from this video... any kind of overflow box with U pipes over the tank can lose siphon and cause a flood...it's cheaper to do it right rather than spending thousands on fixing wooden floors etc... also as you see in this video the sump intake has bubbles and he made a little cover for the top.. it's not for aesthetics. it's because the damn thing is so loud that he thought he could reduce the noise with it. also...always make sure to use glass baffles for the return partition where the water will pump up... with the system running fill up that partition in the sump until the top tank is full...and that's your total capacity reason for that is because if for some reason something in the overflow gets plugged the sump will never overflow the top tank... its better for the pump to run dry and break than spending thousands to fix water damage as you can see in this video..if he loses power..his overflow will empty until there's no siphon on the main tank side when the power goes back on, since he has no return partition...ALL the water in the bottom tank will pump up to the top and flood the top tank also any type of overflow box like this with a U pipe will lose siphon even when running after sometime micro bubbles get introduced in the pipes creating at the top of the pipe..once the air in the U pipe reaches the "legs"...no more siphon these types of boxes are known as time-bombs overflow boxes such as these can be "fixed" by running an air-line pushing the air into the box with a T connected to the top of the U pipe basically acting as a vacuum (this requires the air pump to be strong enough to pull the water high enough for it to flow again) these are the common..how not to build your sump videos created by someone that is just happy that they got a sump going xD there's many ways of doing sumps properly and you can search on youtube for it.. there's intake pipes using a cap a bit smaller than the id of the intake pipe with "teeth" cut in it...the cap will have an air bubble and spin and the water flow into the overflow box you can have a builtin sump in the tank..drill the side of the tank and overflow to another tank I don't trust overflow boxes on the outside of the tank simply because of water weight overtime... also for freshwater systems..issues with sumps is small fish such as fry or shrimp getting into filtration just take this into account...1 sock filter can handle about 400gph as a limit...200gph to be on the safe side...determine the pump that you'll be using..and then build accordingly as most regular tanks are 12" deep a safe way to have a sump would be to get a 18" deep and using the back wall to build the sump and using 3 intake socks on each side with the pump in the middle partition drill the back of the tank in the top of the middle partition and thats your overflow into the bottom... if the power ever goes out only a few inches of water from the middle partition will flow back to the bottom... now..return pipes from the sump..they should always go in the water so that there's no noise of water splashing returning to the top tank then to prevent back flow in case of a power outage there's 2 things you can do...on the return pipes from the pump..put a check valve on the return pipes right on top of the water level drill a hole in the pvc pipe angled towards the flow the check valve will prevent backflow...and just in case the spring or valve got stuck in the open position the hole in the pvc at the top will break the backflow siphon the only trick I've seen for this was on a youtube video some guy had a clear pvc pipe with a gasket at the bottom and a bearing inside the pipe so when the water pushes up it flows.... if it stops the bearing falls and blocks the gasket..I've never tried it myself but looked neat here's a tank I've done with a double intake photos.app.goo.gl/j84yKPzveQuRTws1A you can literally build the same way with the 2 intakes..drill the back for overflow and have another tank in the bottom the same way... double filtration...no flooding risks ^^ if you're new to glass cutting my tips and tricks are as follow..get a nice long thick ruler with an anti-slip bottom so the ruler doesnt move while you're cutting and get a glass cutter with an angled flat surface at the bottom with oil (these tend to run away less than the old ones and provide a cleaner cut) you can find them on amazon... also search on youtube for "bean animal" that's the most accepted way of running a proper overflow box into a sump as it's safe and also silent

@nextdooraquatics5013

Ай бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to write a detailed response. Regarding your points, Yes, a U-tube overflow can lose siphon. Using this particular overflow, I never have, nor do I need to constantly remove bubbles. There was not a bubble in the tube at the time of the video and this sump has been running nearly 2 years, maybe more without issue. Drilling the tank is always preferable, if you have the desire. The lid is to reduce noise, yes. Overflows, in general, tend to be noisy. If you want a silent tank, a sump is not going to be the first choice. In that case, a canister filter is probably the best filtration. Using a glass partition for the return pump is a good idea and I admit that this is a good point. As of yet, this has not been an issue for me and the tank is in an area where flooding would not cause a significant issue. If the tank is located on a main floor, adding this partition would be a good idea to prevent the pump from overflowing the main tank should the overflow stop working properly. “as you can see in this video..if he loses power..his overflow will empty until there's no siphon on the main tank side” This is inaccurate. This overflow is designed such that each side of the U-tube remains submerged if the power is lost. As a result, once the power comes back on the siphon is maintained and the overflow works as intended. Please do your research when selecting an overflow of this style. Not all of them are designed this way.