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Budget Thermal Monocular vs Digital Night Vision
Testing the AGM ASP Micro TM-160, a short range handheld thermal monocular. The TM160 is probably the cheapest standalone thermal imager on the market, retailing for about $400. That makes it even cheaper than digital night vision like the SiOnyx Aurora.
It has some interesting applications for hunting, and surveillance/static observation. And night time peeing.
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"it's just colors and shit. I don't find it that useful". - Hop visiting fancy art galleries probably.
The unspoken rule of owning a thermal camera, you must record yourself pissing once purchased. Pretty neat little cam, I liked your out of the ordinary tests like the printer and the toilet lol.
@Internetzspacezshipz
2 жыл бұрын
This is true. And also Brigador is dope.
@rooknado
Жыл бұрын
Now I know. Ill remember that.
@impactodelsurenterprise2440
2 ай бұрын
Lol I had my son record me pissing
Static observation is exactly what this is for. A friend and I were discussing night vision vs thermal. Two advantages to thermal that I could think of right away. One, it works in the day time. If somebody or some animal was hiding in the brush, you could still see their heat signature. Night vision wouldn't see anything. Two, somebody with night vision who is looking at you, doesn't have a big IR illuminator (in the middle of your face) to aim at. Thermal devices give off no IR signature.
@tylersingleton9284
3 жыл бұрын
Remote IR floodlights are great for keeping your position a secret from NV users, and thermal blankets can shield you from thermal users. It's crazy how many people dont think of their illuminator as a target for opponents.
@tylersingleton9284
3 жыл бұрын
@ that is good to know about the blanket. Mabey a spray painted thermal blanket with silver on the inside would work better. Or maybe if you are using a thermal setup, using a IR and regular strobe light would be plenty to disrupt things to the point where it wouldn't matter.
@poolee77
3 жыл бұрын
@ you'll also overheat fast as hell under one
@newolku
3 жыл бұрын
You know that you can just turn off the ir illuminator
@PETRAS_
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, you usually have a thermal to identify and a NVG to shoot.
So what you’re saying is that I should definitely get one of these and mount it to my helmet instead of saving for a PVS-14, right?
@austinjones9970
3 жыл бұрын
Yus
@GuamGuy
3 жыл бұрын
Mount 4 of them like panos
@Eljanes123
3 жыл бұрын
Why not both at the same time?
@iaespinosah76
3 жыл бұрын
Dont think so, the use of this device would be just to detect up to 100 m.
@iaespinosah76
3 жыл бұрын
Not identify, just detect
"So basically there's only 5 guys working in US night vision, and they just make a new company every couple of years when they get bored." literally made me spit out my drink lmao.
@tngunworks9065
Жыл бұрын
The funny (sad?) part is its actually true. Even with L3 and Elbit.
@RT-qd8yl
6 ай бұрын
@@tngunworks9065 Nah there's only 4 guys at Elbit now, D left
You should've used the marking mode when you were taking a whizz so you could get those Call of Duty hit markers on your pee stream.
@Hoplopfheil
3 жыл бұрын
That would have been awesome, I am ashamed for not thinking of that.
Dude you are no bullshit, your channel needs to explode with followers ASAP nicely done!
I absolutely love the no-nonsense information and delivery juxtaposed with some significant nonsense like Hop taking a leak in thermal and even showing us a close-up of the result. Even that information could be useful but still, I always enjoy Hop's content even if the product isn't something I need.
I know a guy who uses this exact budget thermal monocular for boar hunting, he uses it to identify heat signatures and switches to his night vision scope to identify the animal and take the shot if its a boar. I hear it works well for him.
@philip6419
20 күн бұрын
Tandem use.. absolutely!
@TechieTard
6 күн бұрын
That's how I'd go about it if I weren't poor.
Fusion is what we use at work for checking bearing and pump temperatures - it makes it extremely clear where you need to be looking at the machinery, even for people who are untrained, while still providing a clear image. Not sure that I would use it for any kind of target identification role, however.
@renegade501
6 ай бұрын
LSD mode😂
I have one. I think it's pretty neat. I've tried walking around at night with it. It's pretty hard. The best use case is probably varmint hunting at night where you use the thermal to locate the varmint, and then use a spot light or weapon light to take the shot, and positively ID the animal, if it was too far to ID with the thermal. Another use case that has occurred to me, but that I haven't tried yet, is for tracking animals that have been shot, but maybe didn't drop right away. It seems that it should make find a blood trail at night much easier. One limiting factor to thermals that I think is worth mentioning is that they can't see through glass.
@DevDog67
3 жыл бұрын
As long as you're tracking soon after the shot I bet it would work very well for that. I'm not sure how long it takes blood a blood trail's splatter/drops to loose heat. But if it's within a few minutes I'm sure it would show up well.
@erfarmer65
2 жыл бұрын
not useful at all for tracking blood - I have 3 different high end thermals and while I can see blood immediately after shooting an animal - once it hits the ground it cools so fast to ambient temp that it's no longer useful - however, I have successfully used even the cheapest thermal devices countless times to recover the animal by simply walking and scanning for the heat signature of the downed animal in the direction they ran. I have easily found them 50-75 yards in pitch darkness and often in thick brush since the body temp remains above ambient for hours... even after I looked in the same area with high end spotlighting equipment and infrared - the thermal is hands down the best for these scenarios. Even seeing a warm "blob" a 100 yards away indicates that it's "something" there.
@squidwardo7074
Жыл бұрын
If the moon is pretty bright out it would be very easy to hunt with something like that
I had use such devices when protected Kyiv from russians. Because we had no other devices. You cannot walk with thermals, especially in forest. Always someone had to hold a man with thermal and lead him. But, in tranches thermals work well. Some times it detects glass as warm objects. In some conditions we couldn't recognise real distance to object. So, i think that better to have both termal and night vision.
A really useful thing to use budget thermal stuff for is to look at your electrical wiring in your home for hot spots. Sometimes in older homes your outlet could be getting too hot due to a poor connection or corrosion on the contacts, lets you see if there is a brewing issue before it becomes a fire hazard. Also, quite useful in chasing down pluming leaks if you have one.
@FILMZ1994
Жыл бұрын
How would you spot plumbing issues?
@I_Poke_Holes_In_Paper
Жыл бұрын
@@FILMZ1994 crank hot water through the line, if the pipes are hidden, say under your slab, you'll see a hotter region where the leak approx is.
@danielscully297
Жыл бұрын
@@I_Poke_Holes_In_Paper very good 👏
@noahway13
6 ай бұрын
I found a hot spot in my fuse box in the house. A few lights and an appliance would trip the breaker. It was a loose connection, could have gotten dangerous. Also found a bad situation on my son's car. Long story short, I walked around his car after he drove and the passenger rear tire hub was HOT. Brake pad was binding.
The "fusion" mode on thermal cameras isn't great for tactical use but personally I find it useful when using a thermal camera as a diagnostic tool. Something about the colors makes the difference between "atmospheric temperature, nothing here" and "HEAT" a lot more discrete.
@mastertintiger
2 жыл бұрын
I have definitely seen "fusion" mode on cameras meant for exactly that. Mainly in electrical diagnostics, medical. ec.
@TheSteelArmadillo
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. We use that color way for electrical surveys.
You could also look for heat loss in your home to know where to improve insulation.
its a shame TFB TV isint giving you a shoutout
@austinjones9970
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty wack I noticed that too. Found this channel before that one luckily
@knowtheplan472
3 жыл бұрын
Did TFB use his footage without credit or something?
@austinjones9970
3 жыл бұрын
@@knowtheplan472 nahhhh I just checked he got a shout out on the videos
@andreivaldez2929
3 жыл бұрын
He posts things on TFB TV sometimes but they hardly shout him out otherwise.
@austinjones9970
3 жыл бұрын
@@andreivaldez2929 Thats frustrating. He deserves credit.
Own one. Absolutely love it for the reasons you had mentioned. One thing to remember, night vision will see a IR illuminator. Thermal vision does not.
@jamesfrancisaloysiuspercev925
3 жыл бұрын
*inexpensive thermal maybe does not
@Ashley-1917
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesfrancisaloysiuspercev925 Well I guess thermal/optical fusion would. Are there any such devices?
@jamesfrancisaloysiuspercev925
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ashley-1917 I have a thermal rifle scope & you can definitely see IR light at its source. You will not see the flashlight like image that you would with IR/night vision, but as one example of you were looking at a building at night with IR night vision cameras, then you would pick up the IR light on the camera itself.
@paintballplayer700
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesfrancisaloysiuspercev925 Not really. Civilian thermals are all long-wave IR sensors which is like 7000-14000nm. IR lights for NV use are in the 850-1000nm range. If you are seeing someone's IR light "at the source" with a thermal weapon sight or common monocular, you aren't seeing the light it produces, you're seeing the heat generated inside the device. That's why you can only see it at the source.
@jamesfrancisaloysiuspercev925
2 жыл бұрын
@@paintballplayer700 Right. Exactly what I wrote but with different words, thanks for reaffirming.
I didn't realize how bad I needed this thing that I didn't know existed until now
@Hoplopfheil
3 жыл бұрын
If you're willing to spend more, consider the higher res devices. They'll just be that much more useful.
boog boys with 20k+ NOD's setups geting wiped by a boomer with 30/06 with thermal straped on which he got with his stimy money at 500yd
@Eljanes123
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Chinese thermals are getting pretty cheap nowa days, they are not good for navigation but i run my tm160 on a bridge with an home brew gen 2 and its a godlike experience
@Eljanes123
3 жыл бұрын
@@kell7195 still better than 6k you pay for a skeet ir....
@Eljanes123
3 жыл бұрын
@@kell7195 yes, i have a hik lc06, just some times call it tm160 sense agms's naming sceam is better and its the same thing.
@imi1667
Жыл бұрын
Cope
@lucasblanchard47
Жыл бұрын
What about it? That sentence didn’t go anywhere. You just stated a hypothetical without any resolution.
Thanks
@A_Qwynide
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you check out the smaller channels with quality content
@DevDog67
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly at this point if I see a MrGunsNGear comment on a video I know it's gotta be quality content.
You know, you have a specific use case for night vision devices, and don't see the benefit to other people. This thermal device, to me, seems ideal for checking the dark areas of my large yard at night for animals or miscreants. And as far as the mode with the colors in it, it's handy for differentiating between temperatures for diagnosing component issues in electronics. It's easier for people to discern differences in color than shades of grey. As far as your use case goes, though, you seem spot on.
Notice me, Hop.
@Hoplopfheil
3 жыл бұрын
You have been noticed.
@five5105
3 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil yessss
@nitemare5030
3 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@FilthyAmerican
3 жыл бұрын
@@five5105 mediocre
@Subhumanslug
3 жыл бұрын
Witness meeeeee!
Thank-you! I have been thinking about getting one of these to pair with my PVS14. I have a pretty solid PVS14, and use it to aim my weapon, but the thermal would be very good for detecting animals in the woodline easily, for better scrutiny under i2. I don't plan to PID with thermal, just "alert". Further, I'd like to use it to trace thermal leaks in my house during this winter. *Pair with as in use together on a lanyard or something, not HMT it along side my 14.
I use one of these working security. It does well detecting tramps sleeping in the weeds, checking vehicles to determine length of time on site.
I have tm384 and I can spot a blob of military planes with no lights about 11km+ in the sky where as my pvs14 won't see a thing. I also identified a chinook about 5 miles out.
locating a fresh carcass in thick brush would be a good use for one of these. you can see alot from 20 ft up a tree, but once your on the ground you can walk right past a dead deer. If you lung shot one they don't leave much blood, or if you shoot one in the rain, it can wash away the blood. if the animal runs through standing water, even if it's only an inch deep, they won't leave a blood trail. Over the years i've had 3 deer that i haven't recovered. All 3 were due to weather preventing or washing out a blood trail. 2 were bucks that i found the blood, but it was washed away/covered before i could fully track the deer. neither was a perfect hit, one was paunch shot, and the other was a lung hit. The third was a doe, and she ran through a wetland area that had about 2 inches of water standing everywhere, so there was no blood trail at all. I spent hours looking for all of them. we did eventually find the doe, but it was several weeks later.
Fusion mode is just Predator vision.
@nunyabidniz2868
3 жыл бұрын
"Fusion mode is just Predator vision." There, fixed it for ya! Also, this is probably why Hop didn't call it that: the studios are getting to be such prickysh!ts about their copyrights & trademarks these days... ;-)
An hour’s-worth of info in under 10 minutes... about par for a Hop video.👍🏻👍🏻
HOP!! Didn’t know you had a channel outside TFB. Love your content, looking forward to future vids. I have the Scout; I like it but don’t really have a basis for comparison. I 3D printed a mount for it which is marginally functional
Love the videos! Looking forward to a video on the MEPC carrier!
The best review of this product I’ve found!!
FYI The AGM ASP is worthless over 90 degrees Fahrenheit (gotta love nighttime lows of 80 plus). The colder the night the more this thing works, but that might be obvious. Any rate I love mine.
Hop's always the hottest thing in the image if you know what I mean
@bravo6959
2 жыл бұрын
Dude has a fever or something
So what's your opinion on the Flir Breach? I got it set up as "Binos" alongside my PVS 14. The Breach is great for discovery of stuff and the pvs helps identifying said stuff + Im able to do gun things and navigating through terrain without walking into trees
As usual from your well balanced videos, I'm torn between buying one of these, and not...
Great Job Mr Hop! Really helpful summary of thermal pros and cons and of this device in particular! Good,job, thanks Kindly!
I have an ATN 4K X Pro 3-14 digital night sight for shooting. I’m trying this monocular for static observations for pest control. I’ll let you know how it works out. I got mine at Focus Camera.
This is gonna work great,I know my neighbors have been sneaking in my house to take a shit while I'm gone.
I will agree to disagree on that 1. I have mounted to a bump helmet. and I prefer it over my pvs 14. But I'm also using it for Coyote hunting And if you have the setting correctly where it finds the hotspots anything 200 yd it's going to find it.. Something I just purchased running into its paces but the things that I'm finding it's amazing for the price point. I own 3 night vision scopes . A PVS14 in white phosphorus That's $2400 right there . And a Is ATN Thor LT 4x8 And it is kicking the c*** out of It thermal wise . For spotting and then getting onto it with your night vision it's the way to go 100% for entry product
Will detect small cat-sized animals in trees at night? I don't intend to shoot with it, but some help in locating which tree the brushtail possum (in New Zealand) is hiding will help a lot.
The color is to show a much broader spectrum oh heat sources typically useful in industrial settings
Remember seeing this stuff on the 1980s first predator movie as a kid. I want this inside my helmet now!!!!
I have a AGM PVS 14 3rd gen monocular, pulsar helion xp50 pro 2, flir breach and they are amazing looking thru at night.
@JesusChrist_IsTruth-LoveForALL
Жыл бұрын
If you only had one of those which would you choose?
Extremely good review. Just bought one for work but the novelty uses are more captivating lol
I was actually interested in this thing but I was afraid it would be like night vision where you need to dump thousands or you get sightmark tier shit
@HaveYouMetMyFist
3 жыл бұрын
the screen is smaller than a stamp and for me, strained my eyes trying to use it. The phone app allows you to use your phone as the screen which is better. Honestly it works ok up to 50 yards. The 100 yards is a stretch. You'll just barely see.... something. However it is the best performing thermal at that price. The Taipan 384 has a larger screen and better sensor. For just over a grand.
@nunyabidniz2868
3 жыл бұрын
This *is* Sightmark tier sh!t. The point being, for a huge swath of real world users, Sightmark tier sh!t performs a useful, if limited, function.
3:10 "...traditional thermal modes that you remember from call of duty..." Jokes on you Hop, i remember it from that totally real "Stalker vs Zombie" viral video.
@Hoplopfheil
3 жыл бұрын
Oooh shit that was epic.
Thank you for all the good no nonsense reviews. Really helps compare.
so, I'm not a hunter but am an avid wildlife photographer, there are some dense forests not far from me where I know there are owls... but when I go looking for them, not at night, but during the daytime... the trees are sooooo dense that the sunlight doesn't even come through. I'm trying to find a device to help me spot birds, especially owls in that scenario I described, will the AGM TM-160 be a good option?
@marcusborderlands6177
2 жыл бұрын
Totally. It would be pretty much perfect for that
Great flow.. lmfao, nice stream. As I'm getting older I'm finding that something to appreciate 😂
Th thermal TM-160 might be a step up from My torrey pines or my leuoplo that don't record at all, It could be used for security with the recording. With all the money I spent on a bunch of low budget thermal and NV stuff, I could of have a (ONE ITEM) very good NV or Thermal.
Peeing on thermocam, outstanding, Subscribed.
This was extremely helpful, thank you
$1500 to look for cats in the neighborhood? Sold!
@TechieTard
6 күн бұрын
I'm more about squirrels, mice and rats...but there is this one FKN CAT!
$400? Sold! As a long range ‘yote finder. Get them closer and switch to IR. Put one right between the glowing dots.
Nice video 📹 👍 That be handy for us if you put distance on video what was filmed at current time..
I told you, you should do a comparison of 1500ish thermal and night vision like a agm 384 and atn nvm different use cases but thermal has recently made it a interesting comparison.
Nice review , thanks for your work ! I could use this to see what the hell my dogs are barking at, at night .
What you need to do is pair that with a gen 3 pvs14 so you can become the actual predator
Is it a good tool to have in your pocket for a quick scan for life forms while using actual night vision? To supplement a pvs14 basically. Use as a spotter for further inquiry with the nod’s
Here’s a thought. With a PVS-14 you can easily just close one eye to look through the hand held thermal for finding targets, and then just look at them (and engage them) normally with the PVS-14 and laser
@talltale9760
3 жыл бұрын
People have been running dual helmet mounted setups with the flir breach
@valiant545
3 жыл бұрын
@@talltale9760 So what you are saying is, high quality PVS-14 and FLIR Breach is the strat
@talltale9760
3 жыл бұрын
@@valiant545 yessir. I’m sure there’s probably better thermal options besides the breach but that’s what I’ve seen a lot of guys running. Best part is that you can leave both eyes open if you have a white phosphor unit since it’s a similar color scheme to thermal
If this channel was a stock it would be set to skyrocket
I’m so glad I stumbled onto your channel you should have way more subs than you do
I have my 14's and love them but its extremely easy to hide from nvg i got a leupold tracker 1&2 hd those were my first thermals then i got the agm rattler and now the stingIR is added to the line up i use my stingIR more then anything mounted to my helmet with 384 res and up you can navigate decently ive been practicing alot
well done man, SUBBED!
Thanks hop always great content.
You opened your freezer during a defrost cycle. Also fusion mode is for stuff like analyzing circuit traces and refrigerant lines, stuff like that
Three questions. The first one is you sound like the guy from Suspicious Observers. That is not you is it? The second question is if it's October can I see the deer during the day? I would like to use it just to spot them easier since they blend in so good. Also on the fur you have to take it back to the manufacturer to get the battery changed once it's done being able to charge. Is it the same thing with this one? Thanks. You are a very good speaker.
@Hoplopfheil
2 жыл бұрын
1: Nope, no idea who that is. 2: Yep, thermal doesn't really care about time of day, as long as there's a temperature gradient to detect. 3: Same story with the AGM units. The battery is internal and not removable.
I bought a 1/4 inch camera picatinny rail mount for this monocular. If you put it in between your irons and have a cold/hot weapon and go to the inverse outside, it will pick up the silhouette of the front nicely but the viability is very poor.
Proximity sensors or give up your position strobe lights... Wouldn't surprise me a bit if that's the real reason they put them in our phones.
just ordered a pvs14 gen 3 white phos what is the least inexpensive mountable useable thermal monocular in your opinion also 1x capable so i can use at the same time mounted with pvs14 thanks bro keep up the great channel info!
@Hoplopfheil
3 жыл бұрын
The FLIR Breach seems like a pretty affordable option, but from what I read online they're not well liked.
@MIKETHRASH69
3 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil Hey bro thanks for the reply someone told me it won’t work because it’s a 1.5 magnification I was hoping you had another solution I was thinking IRayseems to be a little bit more expensive I just need to do the research Let me know if you come up with any other options thanks bro
@stephenjameson4911
3 жыл бұрын
Look at iray mh-25. A bit pricey, but worth it.
@thecatapult7028
3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenjameson4911 damn that seems like an amazing unit tho hows the navigation ? i would probably get this one instead of pvs 14
@stephenjameson4911
3 жыл бұрын
@@thecatapult7028 well I think it is one of the best option on the market how to replace pvs-14 by thermal unit, but standard gen3 image intensifier is still way better for walking, driving, navigation thru terrain etc at least if there is some ambient light. Buy both :D
Always with the quality content. 👍
Use case scenario: Helmet mount is out of the question, but what about mounting it to a paintball gun as a cheap thermal scope? - does it see IR Lasers? I'm thinking no by the video but I couldn't tell
Great video 👏👏 well done! 👍🇨🇦
Do you think this would work to spot animals along fence rows in the winter (think lots of snow) or open field? This would be small game (fox/rabbit etc). I don’t need to identify the animal by the image- only that there is an animal there, in the snow, up to 200 yards away (what would be max range for this application) . Thoughts?
So I'm looking for a thermal mainly for the purpose of squatching. I'd like to be able to identify from about 200 yards. What's a good relatively low priced thermal for this?
So, I can use this to spot Bigfoot taking a big piss in the woods. Sweet.
Does anyone know a camera like this but have the possibility for an external display?
Love your videos, and not assuming everyone can afford 50,000$ pano nvgs
@Ashley-1917
3 жыл бұрын
Well tbf I got my pvs-14 for 1,500 USD
@andreivaldez2929
3 жыл бұрын
EOTech stopped selling panos to civilians anyway. But yeah, PVS and other monos are cheaper if you want real night vision.
@bkackmagic555
3 жыл бұрын
Have yall seen that new way to mount pvs 14s so it's like you have dual tubes but u can see more
@Ashley-1917
3 жыл бұрын
@@bkackmagic555 the panobridge? Yeah its pretty neat
@bkackmagic555
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ashley-1917 yeaa. Combo it with ecotis.
I own one and I've moved on to a dedicated weaponsight which can be used for multiple purposes.
I like your review, pretty thorough. Late for the party here.
1996: Peeing Calvin 2021: Peeing Hop
1:28 so there's basically 5 ppl in the US that work thermals and they just form a new company every few years when they get bored Laughed for a solid minute I have no idea why that is so funny to me
Great info and well presented.
the fusion mode reminds me of how the "Predator" sees
I really enjoy this channel!
I'm still wondering if there's a dumb way to rig it to a rifle anyway, thermal scopes understandably but stupid expensive
Some of the higher end digital thermal is actually very good. Sig now makes a digital thermal riflescope, and there's a few other companies doing so as well. Digital thermal has the advantage of being able to gather from a much wider electromagnetic spectrum than digital nightvision so it doesn't suffer the slow amplification and processing times, and will spot targets in a zero light environment. And, as you can see, even with this cheap stuff you still have enough contrast to see terrain and other things crucial to navigation. So we're right on the cusp of a revolution, where traditional nightvision will be superseded, at least in civilian use, by much more versatile digital thermal for less money. Higher end digital thermal also doesn't really care how far away the target is; if it's emitting heat, you WILL see it even if it's not visible on traditional nightvision.
Tbh you could probably 3D a brace for it and use it like nods
In Germany we say "Wärmebild findet, Nachtsicht bindet" "Thermal finds, Nightvision binds"
Can anyone tell me how well you can see snakes through devices like this? They should be the same temp as their surroundings right?
Excellent review.
Great stream. A urologist would approve
Perfectly suits my need of threat detection at night. Will assess urine detection after purchase.
Bro ur awesome n make me laugh.. make it to arlington Texas..hit me up.. we will go pop some rounds. Keep up the great work
I have a agm Pvs-14 and use it frequently for k9 deployments and have been nothing but impressed. Long term is unknown but so far no complaints.
@nunyabidniz2868
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the data point. Always good to hear 1st hand reports.
One thing you didn't mention is that the footage is aesthetic as fuuuuuck
Still struggling to see how these are comparable at all. The aurora can view terrain infinitely provided you have moonlight or illumination. The thermal monocular only picks up heat signatures and the terrain and definition is terrible
. Shoulda' tried "writing" you name on the ground. .
@Hoplopfheil
3 жыл бұрын
That's an advanced peeing technique I haven't yet mastered.
@jupiterjunk
3 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil Just buy the DVD "The Art of Tactical Peeing Vol 1" It's a good place to start with the advanced skills.
@nate5039
3 жыл бұрын
@@Hoplopfheil neo phalluses take a while to adjust to
@johnnemo4314
3 жыл бұрын
@@jupiterjunk Grip Clamp P (TM)
@jupiterjunk
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnemo4314 Someone follows Polenar Tactical
This was great. Thank you!