I still think the DLC is a 10/10, just a few nitpicks as someone who cares way too much about this game👤

@infatuated9970

5 күн бұрын

Personally for me the dlc is still a 10/10 as well but that final cutscene had me pretty unsatisfied. I also wasn't very satisfied when I saw the new weapon types and how few new weapons there are. For example, there are only 3 backhand blades. Only a handful of throwing weapons.

@KazaiTV

5 күн бұрын

There is no way it's a 10/10. Like over half of the monsters are re-used from the base game in a 40$ DLC on top of it being in a different realm. The items in the overworld are completely garbage and then we have the forge-dungeons without a boss in them. Areas which feel not finished at all or without much of a purpose. It's good but they should have let it cook for a little bit more. (Im also not a big fan of the final boss lore wise, it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I wish we would have fought Godwyn and given him a true death. That would have given the DLC a big purpose and ENDED Elden Ring wonderfully. Wasn't Miquella always trying that but then it's all about R....)

@bachl1

5 күн бұрын

i agree with ur critisism, for me the dlc is a 7/10. I really dont understand what standards people have for giving it a 10

@craiuirinel4103

5 күн бұрын

the DLC is very very good but its at most 9/10. The zones are too empty or too big, depending on how you want to view it. I think the DLC was rushed in some way, in comparison with the base game, the base game has better rewards for exploring. The map is hands down better when compared to the base game. I wish it was like 1/2 of it's size but with a higher density of items and more interconnectedness.

@dice5709

5 күн бұрын

​@@KazaiTVThe Gaols too. Those were so boring. Also reusing Dragons and Deathrite birds who are just annoying to fight.

to add insult to injury with regards to the Cerulean Coast, they hid the red dancer fight in a bland masauleum instead of in the pretty blue fields like in the trailer

@jakeryan2805

5 күн бұрын

lol I found that area, and fought the dragon, and assumed I was done its so empty. Where is the dancer fight located?

@DatAsianGuy

5 күн бұрын

@@jakeryan2805 it's on a small island off the coast, west-side I believe. You can get there, by finding a cave that leads underground to the island, near the coast as well.

@sebastianb.3978

5 күн бұрын

​@@jakeryan2805you missed like, three or four bosses there then

@valentinvas6454

5 күн бұрын

The trailer also showed a different, more adult looking Miquella near the end. It almost feels like a whole different ending was cut from the final product or I don't know.

@EldenLord.

5 күн бұрын

Yeah I am not sure why they changed it. Plus the cutscene with Miquella outside of Enir-Ilim where he points towards the Scadutree (seen in gameplay reveal trailer at the end) never happened aswell. I was wondering when this cutscene would finally play out and thought I missed something but we only saw him in the final boss battle. They also didnt use the actual gameplay trailer OST which I was looking forward too. Only a different version in Rellanas fight.

I can't believe we went to a realm all about death and got NOTHING on the Gloam-Eyed Queen or the Godskins.

@ornado4773

5 күн бұрын

This i entirely agree with.

@CausalityUsurper

5 күн бұрын

It's pretty much confirmed because nothing else was added now that melina is, indeed, the empyrean of the first generation of Marika's kids who rebelled. A child with a vision of fire; either her black flame, the erdtree burning in either iteration, or you burning existence to a crisp as the lord of frenzied flame, as her fate.

@jamaledwards8118

5 күн бұрын

​@@CausalityUsurperwhere did it revealed that melina is that?

@tyler547

5 күн бұрын

@@jamaledwards8118we know she’s a daughter of Marika (messmer’s sister) and the flame of frenzy ending is the other clue most people latch onto.

@armandaneshjoo

5 күн бұрын

Nanaya

Radahn did not support the Golden Order that's the biggest misconception about Radahn since the base game. Radahn never abandoned the Carians. There is a Moon Altar in Redmane Castle suggesting he still follows the teachings of the moon, Jerren his right hand man, is still loyal to the Carians and even helps stop Sellen from overthrowing Rennala. There is an Abductor Virgin in Redmane Castle suggesting that Rykard gifted him with some Iron Virgins, and there is a portrait of Radahn in Rykard's Manor, why would Rykard do all this if Radahn is pro-Golden Order? Morgott who runs the Golden Order fought Radahn in the past and calls him one of the Traitors during his Boss cut scene. Iji Smithed all the weapons for the Redmane which means that Radahn prefers Carian weapons over Lyndell weapons. The only evidence that Radahn is pro-Golden Order is that he was a fan of Godfrey, but Godfrey was kicked out of the Golden Order and was forced to leave, yet Radahn still wears his Godfrey inspired Armor. Radahn is not pro-Golden Order, he just likes Godfrey and is still loyal to the Carians.

@ruuwrl

5 күн бұрын

great point i aint even think about that

@randomguy5093

5 күн бұрын

Wow that makes complete sense! Rykards manor is against the golden order so I always wondered why radahns portrait was on their wall, now I know why. Also what you said explains the image of margott fighting Radahn in the base games intro.

@salaciousvgames

4 күн бұрын

@@randomguy5093 Yeah people forget that Morgot is the leader of the Golden Order and he fought against Radahn in the past, plus he names Radahn as one of the traitors during his boss fight intro. Also in Morgot's intro, Radahn's chair is right next to Rykard and Rani which means the Carian siblings are still allied.

@ruuwrl

4 күн бұрын

@@salaciousvgames holy fuck lol I need to start putting 2 in 2 together more

@brandonsmith6790

4 күн бұрын

Not to mention Iji makes the Redmenes Weapons too so Ranni must have had a decent relationship with her brother if not she would have sent the black knifes to assassinate him Besides Radahn’s idealizing Godfrey nothing really hints that Radahn followed the Golden Order

The ONLY reason I felt slightly let down by the final boss was that I jokingly said to my friend it's going to be Miquella riding Radahn DS3 incest brother style and my friend going "no way you guessed that" basically spoiling me.

@danniarias2403

Күн бұрын

There was no indication at all in the base game that Radahn was gonna be in this dlc so I call b.s

@Sulkie

Күн бұрын

@@danniarias2403 In the dlc there's npc's and item descriptions talking about Miquella doing shit with Radahn's and Mohg's body/soul. You haven't been paying attention.

@Krosstic

18 сағат бұрын

@@danniarias2403Other than him and mogh being the only requirements to get into the dlc lmao, if you didn’t see it coming you’re just kinda stupid

@ilikebread5887

13 сағат бұрын

And also you havent been paying attention...😅😂 he said base game, not the dlc. In the base game there were more info about Miquella relationship with Godwyn than with Radahn, so its understandable that some people seemed surprised and disappointed that the last boss was Radahn.

You don't need to craft throwing items anymore. You can throw cookbooks now 🤣

@GravelordWrust

5 күн бұрын

Hahaha. Dishing out cookbooks like Gordon Ramsey at a charity event.

@zensempai7371

5 күн бұрын

WHERES THE COOKBOOK SAUCE!!!

@FTZPLTC

5 күн бұрын

Lol, just remembered one of Rusty's requests for new weapon types being to be able to hit people with books like the sorcerers in Raya Lucaria do.

@clalam5241

5 күн бұрын

There should be a collasal book weapon

@thecasualfly

5 күн бұрын

@@GravelordWrust I think it is a major hint that we should be crafting items and using them to help our battles.. but nah it's too much effort.. though when I find an item on ground as a glowing orb and it's a single leaf of material that feels kind of soulless.. it could of been 100x of that material.. oh well.

I think my biggest problem is that there's no special interactions with the base game npcs There's no interaction with Rennala while wearing her sister's helmet that she made no interaction with Gideon or Goldmask about the realm of shadow no special cutscene for Malenia after the final dlc boss Nothing at all

@midorayo1149

5 күн бұрын

i mean renalla is already brainded after radagon left her

@iota-09

5 күн бұрын

Even Gideon doesn't say anything about you slaying miquella...

@WispFigment

5 күн бұрын

This made me the most mad. Like we just couldn't get 1 person to talk to about events. You don't have to change the story or hire back all the VA's from the base game

@spaghetticondo.m9116

5 күн бұрын

@@WispFigment pretty sure in other fromsoft dlcs we had some sort of tie ins as in dialogue so i thought it was odd we did not get a single thing out of this dlc

@WispFigment

5 күн бұрын

@spaghetticondo.m9116 Yeah, the only thing I can think of why they couldn't do it is because they didn't want to rewrite certain elements of the main story and have npc's know about the shadow lands in story

I fully admit this one might just be a me problem, but some of the lore reveals felt extremely unsatisfying. The biggest one for me by far was the prince of death, when the dlc was first announced everybody saw the scadutree, assumed it was a giant deathroot and thought the DLC was going to be about Godwyn and Miquella. That was purely player speculation, but then the first trailer came out and there were these giant white viny trees that looked exactly like the thorns in Stormveil, and we all thought "Oh yeah, it's Godwyn!" And then when the DLC finally released I immediately found a cook book talking about Godwyn's golden knights traveling to the land of shadow, and I encountered a sorcerer using death magic and assumed that was a sign we would get more death sorceries (just checked and we actually did get three more death sorceries, but none of them have anything to do with Godwyn or the deathbirds like traditional death sorceries, so they don't really count), and then at the end of the catacomb I met one of his knights that converted to a follower of the prince of death, and I thought "Hell yeah, we're finally learning more about Godwyn!" And then I went through the entire DLC waiting for some kind of death related side quest akin to the St. Trina cave and found nothing, they were clearly trying to focus on that, why didn't they go into more detail? I mean the land of shadow is literally described in game as a place where all kinds of death wash up, it's why we fight ghostflame dragons, they could have doen so much more with that concept Another example is Marika's role in the story. We did get some lore on her, but the DLC was literally advertised as the place where Marika became a god, and the place where the erdtree was born, I assumed Marika's backstory was going to play a prominent role, but it's limited to just two extremely vague item descriptions. I remember picking up the incantation and the talisman and thinking, "Huh, I guess that's it" and leaving, it would have been really cool to find out what the hell Radagon is, or exactly how Marika became a god in the fist place, or maybe some lore about the Elden Beast and how Marika encountered it for the first time

@donovanmiller9380

Күн бұрын

I would have loved to see more Godwyn stuff as well, but I was pretty satisfied with Marikas backstory as it talks about how her people can physically meld easily with others. We see this in the pot people and Marika herself being one with radagon, and similarly with miquella and st Trina. We also see her motivations because her people were shoved into pots hoping for salvation, so she wanted to create actual salvation through godhood and get her revenge.

The devs were VERY forgiving to those who did not fully prepare their smithing stone bell bearings beforehand. 😂

Final boss feels like i was playing elden ring randomizer.

@Wamrage76

5 күн бұрын

It was the hardest boss in the game by far. Took me 3 hours to slay him. First phase was not so bad, but that second phase is pure bs.

@Hayden-pg4og

5 күн бұрын

Fuckin hate the final boss both gameplay wise and story wise, it’s just bad

@liszt646

5 күн бұрын

​@@Hayden-pg4ogHow is it bad lore-wise? Have you actually done the quests in the DLC or just thought it was a random cameo? Lol

@Halberick

5 күн бұрын

it looks like a modded boss, doesn't it? it has Godfrey's dashes and earthquake's weapon art (but with Miquella's light all over the place because why not?) standard lion's claw animation pontiff's combo (because… why not?) Death Knight's cross slash attack, only it doesn't work here because of the length of his weapons a freaking T-pose supernova his model doesn't seem to have the proper lighting to match the arena and his clunky running animation… nice!

@masque9446

5 күн бұрын

@@liszt646 it's complete dogshit lorewise because it retcons a TON of base game lore and adds a bunch of mcguffin level trash to shoehorn in Radahn, so Fromsoft could essentially reuse a base game boss in the DLC. Complete and utter garbage.

Old hunter still the best DLC fromsoft ever released with ringed city

@jiririnagl302

3 күн бұрын

Exactly

@D3vilTube

2 күн бұрын

Definitely. Don't get how this is a 10/10 compared to those dlc's but whatever floats their boats ig.

@koayuoo

2 күн бұрын

@@nasimacdnanovic1196 Agreed, SOTE is not consistent enough to keep up with them.

@ThisIsMyYouTubeAccount1

2 күн бұрын

​@@D3vilTubepeople want to glaze fromsoft

@Javifp7

10 сағат бұрын

Artorias

The final boss was like season 8 of Game of Thrones.

@dontmindme9323

4 күн бұрын

lol I was telling people this on the Reddit page and I was getting downvoted 😂😂😂

@jackalx2154

4 күн бұрын

@@dontmindme9323 Well, it sure subverted my expectations. 😂

@AJ-eh5kn

3 күн бұрын

Support that 👏

@EldenLord.

3 күн бұрын

GoT S8 was a writing disaster and horrible from start to finish. This ending in the DLC however makes sense and has been planned since pre Elden Ring base game release. Its not two dumbasses writing the story this time like in GoT S8. I am sad so many people dont understand that Godwyn would be the actual GoT S8 story of Elden Ring. Luckily GRRM and From Softwares team were smart and didnt bring Godwyn back which would have literally ruined the entire point of his death and the fact that his soul specifically is destroyed. Plus Miquella already tried to bring him back anyway in castle Sol, how do so many people miss this? Calling something bad writing is always easy if you dont wanna admit failing to understand the story to begin with.

@christopheryanez

3 күн бұрын

@@EldenLord.Godwyn would not have been like S8’s ending lmao. That’s just delusional…fans were expecting Godwyn to show up and do something and instead we unexpectedly received a coughed up Super Saiyan Frankenstein Radahn fight. GoT were not not expecting the ending of S8 to unfold the way it did, as far as I’m concerned they had entirely different expectations…sounds familiar doesn’t it?

I completely agree with the final boss criticism. To make matters even WORSE, I got super excited after following the npc questlines. I heard that Miquella took Mohg's body and was going to put Redahn's soul in it and imagined a SUPER BADASS chimera of the two. Getting to fight the body of mohg, the soul of redahn, and the power of Miquella in one fight would be like fighting all 3 of Queen Marika's offspring branches brought together in one massive badass final fight. Instead we just got a smaller parryable redahn that sparkles in phase 2. And no ending. SUPER shit for a final boss when the dlc had new original bosses like Bayle and Midra.

@fernandofaria2872

3 күн бұрын

Im not convinced that is mohg's body (i mean, he just looks like Radahn), i think ansbach was just mistaken 🤔

@macvadda2318

3 күн бұрын

@@fernandofaria2872he used the flesh of mogh

@macvadda2318

3 күн бұрын

I mean its pretty cool, i like how they dont just dissapear after defeat, but a small young radahn is pretty cool tho, and ofc hes parriable😂 do you want everything to be a aoe attack😂

@fernandofaria2872

3 күн бұрын

@@macvadda2318 Where does it say that, and why he just looks like Radahn then? Because Ansbach said Miquella will use "the body of Mohg", right? Or am i remembering wrong? 🤔

@chilly456

Күн бұрын

​​@@fernandofaria2872You can see some omen horns coming out of his gauntlets and boots, and he also has a bloodflame attack.

It was a little disappointing that the lore of the godskins was not explored, it seems that the Gloam-Eyed Queen was written out of the story.

@marhell94

5 күн бұрын

Apparently the Putrescent Knight used to be Knight of the Gloam Eyed Queen in the game files, therefore I think you are right and they just scrapped the whole storyline.

@Zomboy123456789

5 күн бұрын

@@marhell94 Can you imagine that fight but instead of Ghostflame it's Black flame.

@osets2117

5 күн бұрын

There's always Elden Ring 2

@DrooledOn

5 күн бұрын

The dlc is Miquella’s story not GEQ or godskin. There were no Godskins or GEQ in the marketing. It was obvious, that wasn’t happening. GEQ is a nothing burger.

@kkrystal822

5 күн бұрын

​@@DrooledOn how can u say that about the geq bruh do u even know how important melina is for the game/story?

3 criticisms: 1. Rellana does not have a cut scene 2. some areas are too dark 3. the finger ruins are dead empty spaces.

@harkaranbrar2342

5 күн бұрын

theres way more than that

@TheUnseenKrab

5 күн бұрын

Cookbooks, the lack of good rewards, lack of good loot from exploring. Makes the game extremely linear. not just in dlc base game too.

@LeFouLutin

5 күн бұрын

Agree, but there's also a quest going with the finger ruins. But I do agree it's disappointing there's no secret dungeon or anything in these places

@dumbname1961

5 күн бұрын

@@LeFouLutin when i first went there and had my spirit summon became available i was like "ohh shit a boss fight?" then i spent 30 minutes getting succ-ed by leeches with legs searching for the said "boss". The +1 talismans were nice tho.

@bondrewd5935

5 күн бұрын

​@@dumbname1961well about that....Maybe you have Lost and important part of the dlc

When I saw the final boss all I could think was "Somehow, Palaptine (Radahn) returned..." I was so disappointed and confused. Also I was so exited when I first discovered the finger ruins. I was like, man I can't wait to see what's in here and what kind of amazing boss ahead.... yeah

@bringforthtruth

2 күн бұрын

Finish the questline and you'll have your boss

I have several complaints about the boss design. The biggest is that for most bosses, you need to evade a 5-6 attack combo and you get just enough time for a single light attack before the next combo begins. Out of all the main bosses so far, the only one that felt fair was Mesmer. The others had cheap roll catching mechanics, added an extra attack at the end of their combo when you tried to use the attack window, or wonky hitboxes that made some of their attacks impossible to evade unless you use Vow of the Indomitable.

@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf

5 күн бұрын

People are already sl1 no hitting these bosses dude, quit saying that shit is impossible to evade when it’s just blatantly untrue.

@D3vilTube

2 күн бұрын

​@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolfgood for them. Quit acting like that's just the majority of the playerbase

@JanVerny

2 күн бұрын

@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf Impossible is certainly quite a stretch, Probably there always is a way even with a heavy roll. But remember at first people thought Waterfowl was impossible to dodge completely. It took a while before people started uploading videos of dodging it perfectly without bloodhound step or using light equip load. Biggest problem with dodging the new bosses is imho the sheer speed with which they act and the precision required. The patterns are sometimes dead simple, but roll a few ms too early or too late and it certainly doesn't feel like you deserved to be punished this heavily for it. And then the lengthy combos fulll of AoE, which just drain any fun from the fights, I need to replay the old DS games I guess, but I don't think I ever felt so bored waiting for a boss to finish his trivial AoE attack, that is pathetically easy to run away from, yet completely prevents my build from dealing any damage to him.

@phillidaadamus4349

2 күн бұрын

​@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolfThat doesn't make the bosses well designed. When most of the attacks are bullshit combos that are deliberatelly designed to decieve your eyes because weapons change weight mid combo, gravity randomly doesn't apply to an enemy or the hold their attack an absurdly long time and then swing them in a way in which the body mechanichs don't make sense on an intuitive level and the fight just becomes unfun. Not impossible but unfun. There were elements of trial and error in the previous games but after a time if you had good reflexes you could read most attacks coming your way even if you didn't know the movesets. There were delayed attacks but it was litterally just idk pontif holding his swords above his head for a bit longer. Now it's some bullshit, like some dude jumps up in the air then his body instead of falling down like something that actually exists in the phisical world, stays up in the air for a full second and then, blitzes you mid air with some spinny bullshit goofy ass looking combo attack. Literally every attack becomes a matter of trial and error because the visual language of the animations is inconsistent and garbage now. It's like when you're learning a language and when at a specific rule of conjugation, you learn the rules, but there are some words that count as exceptions with unique ways of spelling them. With fromsoft if you learned the rules it's simple press the dodge button when the attack is done attack however you like. Now it's mostly only the exceptions with every attack requiring specific timing and positioning, and each and every attack is unique and requires a large amount of time and commitment to learn, especially because it all depends on the specific boss, since there are no consistent tells between bosses that the game teaches you to look out for. When push comes to shove I think in a mechanical way Sekiro is Fromsoft's peak, but they took all the wromg lessong from it's combatworked. Many people say that Elden Ring bosses are Sekiro bossesnsimpls because they are fast and aggressive, but nah, Sekiro bosses are way superior in the way their animations are designed. You can actually read them if you're reflexes are fast enough, even if you don't know their movesets.

@ornsteinthedragonslayer2092

Күн бұрын

@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolfhahaha sure buddy they’re also breaking the mechanics of the game down to the frame. That doesn’t make it good?

I treated the finger area like there must've been something really nasty in the center that wanted to kill me. All i knew was something was trying to snipe me. The absolute disappointment when i realized it was just basic finger creepers and lampreys and nothing else after 5 minutes of carefully inching my way there...

@azuraamasu5668

5 күн бұрын

Same, i even got off torrent and started buffing myself non top only to find that random ass bell

@Jezroth

5 күн бұрын

Yeah, the fact you can even summon spirit ashes in the centre of the first one made it feel like there was meant to be something there

@o044k

5 күн бұрын

there is a finger ruins with a boss in it you just have to do ymirs quest line

@Jezroth

5 күн бұрын

@@o044k yeah but it’s not the south eastern one, I had the summon icon when I got near the centre but nothing was actually there

@marclenraymagdaraog691

5 күн бұрын

Yeah that as fcking dumb. Ngl I wish they dropped a huge ass generic dragon instead with a bunch of fingers itching it's body.. and even if it just drops dragon heart I would have been satisfied.

One thing i noticed in dlc compared to main game - the areas were incredibly big with very few rewards for exploring, i never found things in the nook and crannies of the world...

@highlightermarca-texto3281

5 күн бұрын

Not having a reward under every single waterfall except the one that had a talisman is criminal

@xian1978

5 күн бұрын

I noticed that too, at first I was amazed by the size of the map and then there were a lot of areas that were a big open area with ONE thing and nothing else.

@Godlysound

5 күн бұрын

Cerulean coast was SO disappointing after realising it was mostly empty, simply because i was so excited when it first comes into view and asks to be explored. Then you find out it houses a dragon, one path that circles around and MILES of blue grass between graces and the like two important locations. That being said it's still one of my favourite new areas just thanks to its unique visuals and is my go to play ground for testing out new weapons and spells or getting summoned.

@Mushroomancer

5 күн бұрын

I feel like they focused on vibe rather than density. Like the abyssal woods, what a place. There’s not much there but first I was there I felt uneasy, it was almost scary. Would never want to care to doing again in a second play through, but the first time had an impact on me.

@epruno3583

5 күн бұрын

​@@GodlysoundI agree but I saw an island I missed on the map in that region. Came back, found 2 bosses, a katana, a curved sword, paired curved swords and a new armor set. Now I like it a bit more.

My biggest complaint about the dlc is that we did not get anything about the gloam-eyed queen nor even any new incantations/weapons asociated with her. She was a big character in the lore of elden ring's base game and not seeing anything about her in the dlc made me a little upset

@yominashi2379

4 күн бұрын

wdym she just velka 2.0 and flan the flame god 2.0 lmao she not that big

@kendrickcoloncruz7252

4 күн бұрын

@@yominashi2379 she literally fought a war against Marika and Maliketh with an army of godskin apostles/nobles, that alone says enough

@donovan4222

Күн бұрын

I understand this but there’s so much content that it’s hard to complain…we got tons of backstory on Marika, the crucible/Hornsent and the omens, Mesmer, the dragons, St. Trina, pre erdtree civilizations…etc. the jar lore was some of the craziest I’ve seen in a FS game.

Glad I’m not the only one who was incredibly disappointed about the final boss.

Maybe Myazaki was mad cuz he had to nerf base game radahn. Hahaha

@randomnobody9229

5 күн бұрын

He was quite literally never nerfed. There was a bug that effected his damage for a week. I promise that you cannot list the patch where he was nerfed, because it never happened.

@Miki-hk6vy

5 күн бұрын

​@@randomnobody9229 yeah fixing a broken hitbox is not a nerf, it's a fix to something broken. He was never intended to have a bad hitbox so anyone saying nerf just got their opinion from someone on tiktok and is just spreading false info

@shaunflinn1002

5 күн бұрын

Just a funny thought boys. Push those glasses back up your nose it's all good.

@randomnobody9229

5 күн бұрын

​@@shaunflinn1002 so funny

@sam-gp3ov

5 күн бұрын

@@shaunflinn1002got the whole crew laughing 🙄

Hey so maybe to help with your disappointment in the final boss being radhan and not godwyn, I think originally miquella’s goal was simply to make the world a gentler place and so I tried to make his own erdtree, the haligtree, but after that failed to work he realized he needed to become a God, and I think that Godwyn was his first choice as consort considering his efforts to try to revive his soul with the eclipse and his gift to commemorate Godwin’s death. However since Godwyn’s soul was slain via the black knife and the rune of death, it was permanently slain, as this was the only way anyone could actually die as Marikas age prevented anyone from truly dying. So Miquella couldn’t revive Godwyns soul and he had to turn to his next best option, but Radhan doesn’t seem the type to be miquellas consort and definitely not willingly. He’s war driven and definitely supports the golden order. So Miquella had his sister travel across the lands between to kill radhan so that Miquella could revive his soul in a manner more maleable to his charming nature and to become his consort. Sorry if some of that made no sense but it’s how I interpret it after watching many lore videos and also being confused.

@Midnitethorn

5 күн бұрын

This is sort of how my brain interpreted it as well. I don't love it, but it's what we got.

@ronaldobaci3188

5 күн бұрын

Finally somebody with a brain

@Zabuza6521

5 күн бұрын

It should have been Malenia, would have made more sense to me

@VoiceNerd

5 күн бұрын

100% this

@salva2387

5 күн бұрын

They could have done a much better job keeping the "Mogh was the victim" twist, having Miq try and use brainwashed Mogh as consort, but then we kill him ( Mogh exit Miq's body to actually defend the coccon and keep us from interfiering with his plan but we obv prevail), ruining Miq plan and "invading" his world. At the end of the DLC, instead of a reskinned bs Radhan fight ( which makes no sense whatsoever) we could have gotten a resurrected Godwyn ( whose soul was slain but the actual body was still alive) with Mogh's soul inside, Miq backup plan basically. it could have been much cooler looking and 'd have made sense.

100% a missed opportunity to not have godwyn revived as a boss as we have never faced godwyn so it would be fresh and more exciting

they forcibly invented the vows between radahn and miquella, which was not implied in the base game lore.

@ReneAensland

Күн бұрын

This.

I was really hoping for Godwyn as well. When I first faced one of the death knights with Godwyn’s face in the background and learned that they were Godwyn’s bodyguards I was so excited to meet Godwyn eventually. For what other reason would Godwyn’s personal bodyguards be in the land of shadows if not to await the resurrection of their lord?

@borinthe41st15

5 күн бұрын

The description of their axes state that they were the guards of Godwyn, but now are the protector of the prince of death's cadaver surrogate. A cadaver surrogate is another way of saying a corpse substitute, implying that Godwyn didn't die on the knight of the black knives, and it was someone else who became the prince of death.

@StoopuLoopu123

5 күн бұрын

⁠@@borinthe41st15 The cadaver surrogate is just the Godwyn face thing that’s in the fog rift catacombs. There’s a death knight protecting it

@Kriggleton

5 күн бұрын

@@borinthe41st15Miyazaki didnt have to do us like that 😭😭😭

@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750

2 күн бұрын

@@borinthe41st15 Aw come on, that just leaves room for something so much better.

Imagine yourself 7 years ago playing the Ringed City DLC, at the final boss arena, with the world reduced to ash. You’re so excited to see who the final boss of the Dark Souls trilogy is, so you walk out to the wasteland, just to see prime Artorias with Gwyndolin on his back. No matter how good the fight is, I would feel the same way that I did with Radahn.

@alexrc7333

5 күн бұрын

I can't stop thinking about it now. Damn!

@spirosgiatietci

5 күн бұрын

Literally a braindead analogy but ok you do you

@apuffin9545

5 күн бұрын

​@@spirosgiatietciit is literally a perfect analogy lol. If anything artortias is generous, it's more like if the final boss of ds3 was prime Ornstein

@masque9446

5 күн бұрын

@@apuffin9545 hahahaha so true

@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf

5 күн бұрын

⁠@@apuffin9545oh but soul of cinder is fucking fire right? Plin plin plon yeah?

The Radahn reveal was disappointing, anticlimactic and contrived. Godwyn would have been much more narratively compelling and satisfying. Now before you come in with the “bUt hiS sOuL iS dEaD!” This DLC just demonstrated that death is essentially arbitrary, be it soul or physical form (especially since we literally got Radahn’s soul when we beat him the first time). Miquella engaging in the ritual to sacrifice parts of himself in order to restore his brother Godwyn’s soul would have made his descent into becoming a monster much more tragic and compelling. Any argument for why and how Radahn was able to come back could be applied to Godwyn, and make just as much sense too.

@lexiferenczy9695

4 күн бұрын

With Godwyn it's a special case, because his soul being destroyed is linked to Rannis body being destroyed and thus setting her soul free from the fingers. But I also think that they could at least have done something compelling with Godwyn, everything would have been better than Radahn, he just doesn't fit at all and it's so boring to see him again when you expect something truly fresh as a final boss.

@sparxskywriter2589

4 күн бұрын

Freyja, Malenia's whisper, and the aesthetic parallel to Radagon and Marika make me confident Radahn was always the one that was planned. Godwyn might have been deliberately set up as a red Herring

@BerserkerGuts_

4 күн бұрын

Nahhh, Godwyn would've been shit.

@jeremiahkalmus3561

4 күн бұрын

@@lexiferenczy9695 Not to mention that it ruins Radahn's character from the base game. He had a legacy and his story was so epic. Fighting the player off and potentially many other NPC's while near death and holding back the fricking stars. Legendary. He was an epic character that met a tragic fate and the player puts him out of his misery and sets his soul to rest giving him a proper send off. That should have been the end of it. Now fromSoft and Miquella screw him over more by bringing him back as Miquella's consort? I don't like it. Godwyn was well liked and compassionate just like Miquella claims Radahn was in game. Plus Godwyn's compassion and befriending of the dragons was a big show of character that would potentially align Godwyn and Miquella in terms of ideals. I think Godwyn would have been more satisfying. Only issue I can see with Godwyn being Miquella's consort is that he was the symbolic death of the golden lineage and the decline of the golden order. Unless they found a way to change Godwyn's view of the golden order so that he would oppose it, it might be a tough sell for Godwyn to be Miquella's consort. I think out of compassion it would be cool to see Miquella bring Godwyn back to give him a proper death but maybe lean on the player character to help him kill Godwyn after restoring his soul? This could then lead to choosing Miquella's age of compassion as an alternate ending? Just a thought for how the DLC could have ended that makes me feel more closure than what we got.

@rainbowkrampus

4 күн бұрын

I think you're just being a bit prideful and too obstinate to recognize that you made a mistake. It's ok, we all made that mistake. Think about Miquella's story. He puts all this effort into reviving Godwyn but fails. Upon giving up on him, this is what the Golden Epitaph is, literally a farewell to one who is gone forever, Miquella recognized that the only way to enact his true goal was to achieve godhood. But then recall St. Trina. Part of Miquella knew that this was going to be bad for him. Part of him was so determined against becoming a god that it asks us to kill him rather than let him succumb to that fate. Revival via becoming a god was the absolute last resort for Miquella and he still had to cast off major parts of himself in order to achieve it. Which tells us that the efforts to bring Godwyn back were not simply a heartfelt gesture. They were an experiment. An effort to avoid taking the worst route possible to achieve his ultimate goal of making Radahn his consort. Like, you say contrived, but the evidence is staring you in the face. All of the Godwyn stuff is just a record of Miquella's failures. An abandoned experiment left to rot at the roots of the Erdtree. Was it clearly signposted that Radahn was his true goal? Probably not. But not being given information doesn't mean that it was arrived at post hoc. It just means that we hyperfixated on Godwyn and that was a mistake. It would be best to just own it and move on.

One of my biggest complaints about this dlc is the lack of Godskin and GEQ contents. The closest there is would be Putrescent Knight (favorite boss btw) having the name “GEQ Knight” in the file.

It’s amazing how much space the finger ruins take up on the map. Add Scadutree view, abyssal woods, and hinterlands. A whole bunch of emptiness. The first half of the DLC is so much more dense and interesting. I think they had to rush it.

@abelatomato680

5 күн бұрын

They cant use”we had to rush it” as an excuse they had 2 years for them to make it

@Will-fg6hx

4 күн бұрын

@@abelatomato680 they can tho. u realize how long they were working on the main game right?

@dynamicflashy

4 күн бұрын

They had two and a half years. They should’ve waited for another 6 months if needed.

@veganbytheway57

4 күн бұрын

Excatly my thoughts

@Logandroid

4 күн бұрын

The finger ruins are crazy to me. They’re basically entire zones that are nothing more than a glorified treasure chest for a talisman. Plus they’re absolutely jam packed with enemies despite having nothing else to find in them, your reward for exploring them is dealing with dozens of annoying lampreys and finding nothing.

20 hours of exploring an empty map just to trigger an event that caused every npc to disappear on me. Can’t just start over. Kinda killed the vibe.

@gabriellecollier8127

4 күн бұрын

I remember walking to all the corpses and saying aloud, "What the fuck. Everyone is dead!"

@fernandofaria2872

3 күн бұрын

I absolutely hated this.

@user-vi4zw6zu4c

3 күн бұрын

That’s your problem, you didn’t pay enough attention to. I managed to complete every questline

@D3vilTube

2 күн бұрын

​@@user-vi4zw6zu4cgood for you

@Anchor-Supreme

2 күн бұрын

@@user-vi4zw6zu4cyeah no man, that’s just genuinely bad game design for something that lends itself to exploration. In the base game you could do most quests even after exploring the four main areas (Limgrave, Liurnia, Caelid, Altus) but in the DLC you can end every quest just by going to the wrong place.

I absolutely believe Radahn was a last minute replacement because they couldn’t get the Godwyn fight sorted out before the launch date.

@CDB12345

Күн бұрын

It´s absolutely this. There´s aspects in this DLC that shows really explicitly that they were on a rush and had to replace somethings and leave others out

@Criisp

Күн бұрын

This might be the dumbest head cannon I have ever heard in my life

Instead of Radahn last boss shoulded be combination Godwyn's body and Miquella's soul.

The lights in the final boss fight. I love the difficulty, but I am monocular post-brain tumour, and the light flashes render me blind for a short period of time due to light sensitivity. When you get inside that ringed light attack, and it flashes between you and the player character, it's f***ing blinding, and leaves a retinal image over my eye for the next 20 seconds. I'm playing in sunglasses. 😂😂

@jamesbryant8133

5 күн бұрын

Bwahaha 😂 Jeez that sounds like it sucks 🫡

@GravelordWrust

5 күн бұрын

Mate, it's shit, honestly. 😂😂

@tinnasell4161

5 күн бұрын

It's always fascinating to learn how the body functions post-injury. On the bright side, you look badass in those glasses

@GravelordWrust

5 күн бұрын

@@tinnasell4161 Haha. Thank you, my friend. Yeah, every flash leaves on of those residual blinding green dots, like if you look at the sun for too long. And then I get absolutely pasted. 😂😂

@xezmakorewarriah

5 күн бұрын

fr I'm not even light sensitive but i think it's still too much

one of my criticisms of the cookbooks is how few new recipes they unlock. In the base game, there are cookbooks which unlock 3 and even sometimes 4 new recipes, but all the ones in the DLC unlock 1, maybe very few of them 2, as far as i can recall. This 'waters down' or dilutes the reward of getting a cookbook in my opinion.

@iota-09

5 күн бұрын

See? THIS is a critique on cookbooks i can understand. Complaining about cookbooks just because they're cookbooks feels like ungabunga strength only players complaining about finding spells or bows, but complaining that you just don't get as much bang for your buck with a singular cookbook compared to bqse game? Yeah, that's true, and annoying, because it means higher chances of missing the cooler consumables(i found only the second of igon's cookbooks for example)

Marika forgive my blasphemy, but the DLC was a grace-devoid slog [plucks out eye]

Biggest disappointments was the lack of Godwyn and not giving us any answer to Melina/Gloam Eyed Queen

The worst thing about Sekiro's DLC is that it doesn't exist.

@aliceinwonderland4395

5 күн бұрын

Best game FromSoftware ever made and still undefeated in quality.

@marclenraymagdaraog691

5 күн бұрын

The thing is Sekiro is very complete. Literally doesn't need anything. There's no mystery but it's a straightforward fairytale kind of story. It doesn't delve into Gods nor Eldlritch abominations. It's just a straight up short story about a dude.

@Fanthomas1742

4 күн бұрын

a sequel would be nice but considering the success of elden ring its probably not happening

@relllocalbuffoon

4 күн бұрын

​@@marclenraymagdaraog691 The true ending gives a perfect sequel setup. People have theorized for a while that the Divine Dragon came from Korea due to it coming "from the west" and its sword being similar to an actual sword given as a gift to the Japanese from Korea. Might just be copium cause I really fuckin want a sequel.

@ASilva-oj8ej

4 күн бұрын

@@marclenraymagdaraog691 I really, really wanted to fight the legendary Tomoe, though, the one whose skill even Isshin sincerely compliments.

The finger ruins were just hilariously disappointing for me. The expectation when I stumbled upon the first one without an area map or anything… just to later learn it was just an talisman I’ll never use…. Yaaaaaaay

@Mr.Dee1117

5 күн бұрын

the red one is pretty good =D

@TheBeautyOfSpacee

5 күн бұрын

@@Mr.Dee1117I’m saying I never take the crimson seed talisman off

@valentinvas6454

5 күн бұрын

That and the Hinterlands. That area looked so cool and different but it didn't have anything interesting besides the Shaman Village. 2 tree sentinels, a fallingstar beast and tons of goats?? In fact it felt like the central areas received much more care and attention.

@denberz711

5 күн бұрын

they failed so badly on those. The coast and the hidden grave were the same where they put art appeal over content. Boring emptiness with little reward for exploring. The main areas however were stacked with content and castles were everywhere which felt so awesome. Sad they didn't make some Cerulean castle or something worth my time

@Ziostorm

5 күн бұрын

Crimson seed talisman saved my life in the end

There also was a huge issue for me with the quest design. I missed some interactions with Moore, Thiollier and Ansbach just because I supposedly got "close" to the shadow keep. Like what the fuck kind of trigger is that? I didn't even enter the main gate I was exploring a completely different area and I just entered some random forest when suddenly Miquella's rune broke and my npcs moved/disappeared. That is by far the worst progress trigger for quests that I have seen from Fromsoft. It is also worth mentioning that Radahn's second phase needs some work, the visibility is absolute shit and it's super annoying. I also agree big time with you about Godwyn being much more logical of a choice (on top of everything I think he is the only child of Marika we have not encountered) as well as about the emptiness of the finger ruins. Another nitpick from me is Romina, that boss is like one of the latest bosses of the dlc and it has no right being this pathetic.

Everything concerning Miquella is a retcon in the DLC. We know from cut content that Miquella was part of the base game, there was even an “Age of Abundance” ending for Miquella. After hearing about the cut content, I knew they were saving Miquella for the DLC, and they turned him into Griffith, which I was also starting to suspect that they would do. Still though, I expected the revival of Godwyn, not Radahn, for all the reasons that you stated. Might had been more epic too. Hell, in an interview, Miyazaki iirc said that what Mohg has is Miquella’s cadaver and his soul was somewhere else, but in the DLC Miquella discards his pieces of himself to become a god, so what did Mohg have? Why did Miquella abandon the Haligtree that he was growing and everyone there, for who knows how long? I had my own theory that Mohg was trying to use Miquella’s empyrean corpse as a vessel for the Formless Mother in order to become her “Elden” Lord and rule his new dynasty. In the opening cinematic, Mohg is carrying a very normal looking Miquella, but when we fight him “Miquella” is a giant monstrosity. No, something was wrong there.

Exploration starts to feel pointless, when 90% of what i'm finding is smithing stones, gloveworts or a cookbook (yay more throwing pot recipes)

@valentinvas6454

5 күн бұрын

The loot was often really disappointing. At least they could have given us much more Rune Arcs, or higher tear runes. Why would I need a hefty beast bone or some crossbow bolts at this point? Let alone a smithing stone 2 or 3. If I want more I'll just buy them with the thousands of runes that every little mob drops in the DLC.

@PowPowPeng1

5 күн бұрын

Ruins of Rauh was one of the last areas i explored and i just couldn't be bothered to walk around those big corridors anymore.

@sunlesssirris

5 күн бұрын

Cookbooks are the shizz, throwing items, farming items, greases, perfume concoctions, element buffing, arrows and that's just the surface of them. Don't dog on cookbooks cause they're damn useful.

@letsgobrandon1906

5 күн бұрын

@@sunlesssirrisdid u play the dlc

@dwhite-mann5399

5 күн бұрын

Have u seen all the crazy things you can get in the open world without fighting a boss lol ?

I think Godwyn was beyond saving cause his soul is literally gone and his body cant be recovered aswell. I believe Miquella tried it in castle Sol to somehow get Godwyns soul back but it didnt work. So he worked out a plan with Radahn and involved Malenia in it aswell. I am not sure how Radahns side of the vow looked like though and how his thoughts were. The fact that Malenia was sent to kill Radahn in the shattering hints towards that Radahn didnt want any of that. Malenia thought she killed Radahn with the first rot bloom whispering in Radahns ear that he will be Miquellas promised consort but Radahn "survived" and we unintentionally finished Malenias job later.

@glowie5811

5 күн бұрын

It's very much implied that the vow was mutual. I don't think that final cutscene makes much sense if it wasn't. I think Radahn imposed the condition that he needed to be defeated in battle first. It makes a lot of sense that the demigod who idolized Godfrey and his conquests would first need to be conquered in order to follow someone else's lead.

@lilboigreasy

5 күн бұрын

@@glowie5811 he was probably bewitched

@Zomboy123456789

5 күн бұрын

That's why I thought it was necessary to kill Radahn to enter the DLC, since the Eclipse plan that Miquella devised to restore Godwyn didn't work because Radahn halted the stars. Young Radahn fight absolutely should've been somewhere in the DLC but I think Godwyn would've fit waaaay better for final boss.

@glowie5811

5 күн бұрын

@@Zomboy123456789 I disagree

@DrooledOn

5 күн бұрын

@@lilboigreasy If radahn was bewitched why would Melania need to kill him? Miquella can literally change memories with his charm. If Radahn was charmed that also means Miquella met Radahn AFTER the shattering. We know Miquella was in the cocoon sleeping at this point. This doesn’t make sense, Miquella is huge as you see with his cocoon. In the memory he is a small version of himself you see after he abandoned the great rune. How would Miquella send Melania do do anything? He was sleeping in a Cocoon.

Godwyn being Miquella’s consort would’ve 100% made more sense than Radahn, there’s literally a statue in the Haligtree that shows Miquella hugging Godwyn while he shields him, and the item description you mentioned also hints that there was a pre-established relationship between the two of them, not to mention Godwyn and Miquella were half-brothers while Miquella and Radahn are literal brothers so Godwyn as his consort would’ve at least been slightly less weird. I really wish the final boss of the DLC would’ve been Godwyn Prince of Death, if you’re gonna bring a character back from the dead make it someone we haven’t actually fought before.

@donovan4222

Күн бұрын

They are both half brothers. Miquella is Godwyns half brother through Marika and Radahns half brother through Radagon

@zafirmunozmurillo1495

Күн бұрын

@@donovan4222 oh yeah my bad but the point still stands

The biggest crime was making the finger area so damn huge only to have absolutely nothing in it apart from the talismans in the very centre. So much tike exploring for absolutely nothing

I know we can´t ascend but I just wanted to climb the stairs to the gate of divinity and have a look at the view.

The missable quests upset me the most. Everyone says, even the Devs say “if a boss is too hard, explore and come back stronger” They don’t say “explore and lock yourself out of quest lines”

@masque9446

5 күн бұрын

dude I went into the DLC all gung-ho talked to the NPCs trying not to mess up their questlines and stuff and I didn't go back and talk to them after the spell broke I just went in to shadow keep and beat the hippo...messed up like 75% of the questlines of course 🤦

@Nadaters

5 күн бұрын

after I missed one by giving an item to an npc instead of going through the whole zone and then giving it, I looked up every npc quest after that

@SecretMarsupial

5 күн бұрын

To be fair this is every Fromsoft soulsbourne game

@okthisisepic9218

5 күн бұрын

@@masque9446the great rune breaking is how all the quests begin you didn’t fail anything are you mentally challenged?

@ThatGuyOrby

5 күн бұрын

The only way you can fail an NPC questline in Shadow of the Erdtree is by either killing said NPC or advancing the whole way to the end where you burn the Sealing Tree to access the last area. If you fucked up an NPC questline it wasn't because you were "just exploring". The only thing that changes by exploring, namely reaching Shadow Keep, is a few of them move. That's it. That is the extent of what "just exploring" can do.

My personal gripe with the DLC is the fact we got literally nothing related to death blight. I always thought the death blight aesthetic was awesome, but we had only a little bit we could use. And all the way back when we first saw the Scadutree I was so certain it was deathblighted. It looks so much like it. Sure that turned out to be wrong, but then we got the death knight weapons, followers of Godwynn even in death, and then... Just lightning. It sucks that they really did nothing with death blight. And don't get me started on sleep.

imo the worst disappointment was everything surrounding St Trina and sleep. Cut content she helped the merchants keep off the frenzy flame, we have frenzy flame in the dlc we could've absolutely had some ties to it just something more to do with St Trina. Miquella cut her off but it seems the devs/writers did too

@ReneAensland

Күн бұрын

This is a missed opportunity. She gave them the Song of Despair to ward off the Frenzy.

Ending of the main boss seemed abrupt too, no final words...just Miquella closing his arms further around shoulda-been-Godwyn's head. I enjoyed the Abyssal woods, Midra's Manse and Midra far more than I did final boss and his area. Couldn't even have a good look at the Divine Gate. Was personally bummed out until I went to the Abyssal woods.

@the_articulated_artist

5 күн бұрын

Right? Like, it’s little things. But things that for some reason feel like an oversight. Like why can’t we hop up there and stand in the Divine Gate? Why couldn’t we get a little more than a quick memory cutscene after the fight? Like it honestly overall at times felt rushed and even unfinished

@-Kagura_Bachi-

5 күн бұрын

and the ending cutsene was basicly nothing

@LordKnightBane

5 күн бұрын

@@-Kagura_Bachi- ​ Exactly, we were already told this happen so didn't need to see it in video form :(.

@-Kagura_Bachi-

5 күн бұрын

@@LordKnightBane fr it was literally just a rehash of what they told before nothing new like I fought radanh only just to get that didn’t feel rewarding at all

@Ironfist_Alexander45

5 күн бұрын

And the fact that they just changed the sigil on radahn’s blades and called it a new weapon is just disappointing I mean sure the ash of war is unique but other than that it’s still disappointing

-Why are perfume bottles so boring when you have elements like sleep, fire blood, magma...? - Why make a sheet for great Katanas just for it to clip through everything ? -Juste put a cape option on all armor sets ffs. -While the castles are a blast to explore, open field areas feel so empty... -With how few special armor pieces there are, did you really have to make 3 of them based on fire knights?

@deadworld953

5 күн бұрын

-Many of the new enemies are derp-easy with a heavy(ier) weapon but are nearly impossible to beat with a light weapon. I can take a fireknight to ~15% in a second with several fast bleed-building strikes that proc bleed, and it will just keep swinging, stunlock me and kill me. But I can pull out the blood-trident and just mash R1 with my eyes closed and succeed.

@dakotatrue12

5 күн бұрын

⁠@@deadworld953yeah. I tried using Rellanas swords but I just couldn’t. The dps is good, but every single enemy just poises through the attacks. The only viable weapons in the dlc are weapons that either have high enough dps to kill enemies before they swing, or weapons that do enough dmg to stop enemies from poising through attacks (any great/colossal weapon type).

@uncleulysses2328

5 күн бұрын

While I can agree they are boring perfume bottles are broken asf lol. You can make some of those bottles 2 shot bosses with the right talismans and physic mix. I hate cheese but it felt awesome running up on that stupid ass sunflower and spraying bro with an axe cologne flamethrower

@uncleulysses2328

5 күн бұрын

@@deadworld953facts. I ran great katana all game, loved it but the entire time I used it I couldn’t get over how it had abysmal stagger and basic enemies would sometimes still poise straight through my attacks. Like how can they make a new heavy slow ass sword that requires actual intention behind your swings yet the thing has dogshit stagger and barely any poise damage. It was fun as hell using it but it feels stupid using a weapon thats description literally says it rewards aggression yet is better if you play a slower more reactive play style. Switched from guts greatsword cause I wanted a slightly faster weapon just to realize I have better luck sticking with my colossal sword. Don’t get me wrong great katanas are awesome but they don’t feel heavy enough for how long and deliberate every swing is. And power stancing them is just a waste of time

@Knoloaify

5 күн бұрын

@@deadworld953 Skill issue. I beat fire knights with light weapons. Mashing R1 to proc bleed as fast as possible is exactly why you are getting destroyed by fire knights.

I think that GRRM gave fromsoft a fairly detailed world (that’s his own words from an interview), and Fromsoft didn’t know how to fully develop that world into their style of game. Now I definitely think they did their best, but it is understandable that they kinda flopped with the storytelling aspect. You have a very talented writer in GRRM who fleshes out his stories, and doesn’t leave much up to the imagination. Then you have a very talented game designer in Miyazaki who is notorious for building games with very vague lore and storytelling; leaving lots up to interpretation. With all due respect, when you see their partnership like this, it’s difficult to imagine how they were able to make Elden Ring in the first place.

In my mind, it´s quite simple: All of the eclipse and Castle Sol stuff is there to show Miquella´s failure in his first attempts after renouncing the Golden Order out of disapointment. So when both the Eclipse Conspiracy failed and the Halightree kinda died, he took the next best choice. Everyone acts as if timewise that wouldn´t match, but Miquella is a literal eternal child, so Radahn´s "vow" he seeks to uphold could´ve happened anywhere in the timeline. I think part of the ghist of what´s being communicated is the fact that Miquella´s nature as an eternal child does affect his worldview, and the contrast between his purity and the stark world he lives in turns his kind intentions into a disturbing mind controlling plot. It´s like when you have a little nephew or niece and you beddazzle them, and they make you promise you´ll marry them when they´re grown... only this particular kid is a deranged demigod with bewithching powers, like that one movie about the alien kids...

Completely agree with the criticisms here. I went to fextralife to see what awesome new thrusting shields there were to collect only to be in disbelief when I found out there was only 2. I was met with even more disbelief when I found out that there were only 2-3 weapons for each new weapon category.. I thought that the site probably hasn't been updated the full list yet and that there are still more to be added as the DLC is rather new so I looked online only to confirm my disappointment. Regarding the empty areas: At first when I read the reviewers saying there are too many open empty spaces I immediately thought that they're just being nitpicking and that empty areas such as they grass fields of the starting area and places like limgrave are fine. not every area needs to be jam packed. However as I played more of the DLC I understand what they actually meant. I first saw the first finger ruin area when I was at the dragon communion place, looking down at it it looked so effing awesome and I could not wait to see what was down there... only to be extremely disappointed to find out there was practically nothing and no boss. Same with the seond finger ruin and what was even more disappointing was the completely almost empty area you can access after you beat commander gaius. Another complain I have is the lack of cutscenes for bosses.. Bosses like Commander Gaius, Putrescent Knight, erdtree avatar, metryr, and the scarlet rot bud boss all felt slightly underwhelming. After reading the remembrance description of Metyr I thought that a being of such significance to the lore should've gotten a cinematic treatment but the boss fight was pretty easy, nothing amazing and was generally underwhelming. One other thing I found annoying was there there were some incantations/powers from enemies that we don't get access to such as the aspect of crucible frog mouth/tongue from a black knight enemy and the aspect of crucible centaur thing from Devonia. I thought we would've got those but we didn.t

I feel the same about Radahn.

@Justin9700

5 күн бұрын

I really feel like it was originally going to be Godwyn and for some reason they changed their minds. Maybe the fact that it would affect the base game somehow, which they seemed intent on the DLC not doing. Or maybe they saw how much people loved Radahn and decided to put him in as fan service. Or they just wanted to throw a curveball since everyone thought it was going to be Godwyn. I don’t know. I find it disappointing, though. Not enough to come close to ruining the amazing DLC, but it’s kind of a bummer ending.

@tiredguy2753

5 күн бұрын

Agreed. Idk it almost feels like either an intern came up with the Radhan-mquilla connection or it was a “first draft” and from software just went “eh go with it “

@Ironfist_Alexander45

5 күн бұрын

Well radahn’s base game remembrance said he was the promised consort of miquella so it was pretty obvious that we’d see something about that in the dlc

@Lewcifer0

5 күн бұрын

@@Justin9700they 100% put him as the final boss because of all the annoying ass “Chadahn” fanboys who have been gushing over the guy since the first story trailer came out. SMH. Just amounted to fan service. Was it a cool ass fight? Yeah. But it made no damn sense.

@Lewcifer0

5 күн бұрын

@@TheEldenKnowledge lol what are you, 12? Calling people “little” makes you sound insecure af bro 😂 stop being mad not everyone liked the ending. Clown ass.

Yeah when I found out final boss was Radahn I thought it was a joke. Huge missed opportunity and was hoping for someone even entirely new.

Godwyn should've appeared rather than Radahn as a cool uber boss. Melina's identity should've been addressed and Gloam eyed queen appearing would be awesome.

The bosses were already brutal. I really don't think we needed the bosses to attack me instantly, as soon as i walk through the fog gate. It gives me barely any time to summon AND several npc's have to be summoned in the boss arena. Trying to summon Igon in Bayle's arena is painful lol

Huge miss opportunity not using Godwin as the final boss, since the OG trailer I always thought he would be a boss of some kind but no, a 2.0 version of a boss that was sort of hated and had to be nerfed sadly.

@BdrRm

Күн бұрын

Radahn isn't nerfed though. They accidentally nerfed him in 1.03 but reversed it in 1.03.2 and kept the fixed hitboxes.

My problem with the final boss is definitely the design. In the original Radahn fight, you can tell that the boss is a product of it’s environment and belongs there, with the arrows in its back and effects of scarlet rot affecting both the look and move-set of the fight. But in the DLC fight Radahn’s appearance is not changed to reflect his environment or the changes that the lore said he undertook, and his animations seem unfinished and uninspired. Overall he seems extremely out of place like they just pasted an old Radahn asset into the arena

Godwyn would have made more sense than Radahn. Miquella rebelled against his mother and pursued godhood as an attempt to fix the shattering. Godwyn's death was the catalyst for all the events and his resurrection would have tied it all in nicely and given some closure.

I don’t think you are nit-picking. DLC lore was a let down. They teased Godwyn throughout the entire main game yet he gets no follow up in the DLC. Instead of getting my 1000th rune arc, now I get a smithing stone that I can buy infinitely. 😢

@icecreamvendor8245

5 күн бұрын

Guarantee you they're gonna milk ER as much as they can by releasing more DLC on the entire Death side of the lore

@dmacg5520

5 күн бұрын

@@icecreamvendor8245they said there only doing 1 dlc?

@icecreamvendor8245

5 күн бұрын

@@dmacg5520 That's surprising

@Randlelikesdogs

5 күн бұрын

⁠@@icecreamvendor8245yeah I feel like it still needs 1 more it doesn’t even need to be a full open world

@dmacg5520

5 күн бұрын

@@icecreamvendor8245 eh not really mizayki said he thinks he can do better then Elden ring so wouldn’t be surprising that he wants to make his next game

Just imagine walking into that final arena, a large form materializes, and you see that long golden hair, and you realize…”It’s Godwyn…it’s finally Godwyn…” OR, it’s his abomination form, and you still have that realization, then in the second phase when Miquella comes down to aid him, his body transforms back into that radiant, golden demigod. Radahn was cool, but just a little confusing, anticlimactic, and contrived.

@pontiffsulyvahn3898

5 күн бұрын

man, imagine a boss that was an amalgamation of residual deathblight stuff, bloodflame, and omen horns all twisting one very saintly-looking person's body into a monster.

@berserk4souls

5 күн бұрын

But he’s dead. His body is mutilated and his soul is long gone. I understand disappointment because you assumed there was a chance to see him but Shadow of Erdtree just further confirms he is long dead and even has death roots growing in the Shadow realm with Death Knights to guard them.

@masque9446

5 күн бұрын

LOVE your choice of words sir! Confusing, anticlimactic, and contrived just about sums it up perfectly! Cheers!

@purehollow4460

5 күн бұрын

The fight itself feels like it was made at the last minutes because of how broken it is and the animations don't feel as fine tuned as the other bosses

@alreadyd1d

5 күн бұрын

​@@berserk4soulsit doesn't really matter. Like, at all. Radahn was also dead, yet writers managed to bring him back through something we had no idea was possible. They could've done the very same with Godwyn, like using Radahn's soul (closest guy in terms of personality to him), and Mohg's body, as well as Miquella's new godly powers, to create a "new" Godwyn. Not some resurrection, but the creation of the ideal image of him Miquella has invisioned to be his consort.

I also find that Godwyn would have been the right choice to incorporate into the final boss fight as Miquella's consort, even if it would have taken additional steps to tie in to Fia's quest. Also, if the player had finished Ranni's quest, it would have been cool to get a Ranni spirit hanging from out backs as Miquella hung from Radahn's.

My only problems: All the optional areaa in the world were so sick but I wouldn’t have ever figured out how to get there without a guide. Wish I could’ve found it naturally but they hide the entrance with underground entrances or caves.

@thisisyou6450

5 күн бұрын

YES, rauh map is accessible through one small cave. And an entire area with a whole quest related to it and a whole remembrance boss is only accessible by randomly emoting in front of statue, of which the emote must be looted from across the map?

@Ihatwpwrsona5

5 күн бұрын

@@thisisyou6450 I was watching a video and couldn’t believe I have to enter a cave and hit a hidden wall to access one part of the map. I wish it was easier because I was genuinely looking around the map for exploring but couldn’t find anything beyond the mandatory bosses

The final boss does feel random, it's like they had the DLC and said \

@theanomaly4444

5 күн бұрын

I swear to god, y'all dont play any NPC quests or read Item descriptions. This was forshadowed even since the very first ER Trailer. It answers many Questions and fills missing pieces of the puzzle. Ansbach outright says what the final boss is before you reach him

@smilingman4299

5 күн бұрын

@@theanomaly4444 Random compared to what we know in the base game

@theanomaly4444

5 күн бұрын

​​​@@smilingman4299Alright, i didnt want to sound pissed or elitist or smth- let me just ask what Final Boss did you expect? We got Miquella (what everybody prbbly expected) and Radahn in his prime (what many players wanted to see anyway) with a whole new Moveset. And it just explains so much. Why did Malenia attack Caelid? Why did Mohg steal Miquella? What was Miquella doing? How did Marika attain Godhood? Etc. Everybody complained about elden beast because it seemed "weird as a final boss", yet they say that Miquella x Radahn is random. I just dont see the randomness man.

@smilingman4299

5 күн бұрын

@@theanomaly4444 The thing is that Radahn was never shown to have any kind of relation with Miquella before. And, I really don't see the point of bringing him back. It doesn't really add to his character, he doesn't even speak. Also, I wanted the choice to align with or against Miquella

@DicloneBurry

5 күн бұрын

@@theanomaly4444 Radahn in his prime (what many players wanted to see anyway) that is the problem bro. fromsoft would never listen to fans if it will damage the mechanism of lore . miquella has almost nothing to do with radahn and the reason of malenia - radahn fight was bland. that is right but we could explain it as all shardbearers want all parts of elden ring. in base game the demigod miquella has most common with is godwyn as we all thought miquella is trying to revive godwyn (which a lot of items and regions explain) . you could ask all er lore enthusiasts before dlc and most of them would say final boss is godwyn with somehow miquella managed to revive him . lore implies him not fan expectancies

I know Miyazaki stated that they don't plan on making a second DLC but there are so many things unresolved the nature of Melina and/or the gloam eyed queen, Miquella and Torrent's relation, Ranni's secret mentor, Miquella and Malenia's shadowbound beasts, and even in the DLC we haven't got to see through the divine gate and there is this useless spot on the map which is the scadutree chalice well, if we don't get a second DLC then I guess somethings will remain a mystery forever

@haggus71

5 күн бұрын

I think it's pretty much suggested that Melina is Messmer's sister; and the gloam-eyed queen is like St Trina: a split of her. That side comes at the end; and if we burn the world with the flame of frenzy, the gloam eyed queen comes after us.

@artyy3742

5 күн бұрын

you forgot the most important thing no fucking deathblight weaponry

@sebastianb.3978

5 күн бұрын

@@saint1809 When has a From DlC ever answered all the questions of the main game? That's not something Miyazaki is ever going to do because of the way he wants people to ingest his stories.

@sebastianmoscoso9404

5 күн бұрын

We also will never get to go to the helphen, eochaid, the badlands, the land of reeds, and etc. Plenty of characters mentioned that we will never fight as bosses like tibia or rosus usher of death, not to mentioned avatars of outer gods like the mother of blood/blood star, the twin bird, and more i cant remember

@jacoblahaie8231

5 күн бұрын

miyazaki always leaves lore off to interpretation and no answers, so its not surprising but i feel like there's a lot of missed potential in the dlc but its still my favourite fromsoft dlc ever

I'm just annoyed at the lack of info on many of our most speculated questions. Who is the Gloam Eye queen? Why was Godwyn assassinated, and why did he turn into a fish man after his death? Who or what was Placidusax's god and why did it leave? Whats the deal with the outer gods? And thats just to name a few.

I think thats a pretty fair assessment. A lot of us feel the same way, we waited over 2 years, it would have been nice to end a lot of our most beloved game wrapping up all the loose ends and for them to flesh out a lot of these parts in the DLC, especially the second half, with more items that actually felt worth the time to explore for.

6:20 THANKKKK YOUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!! I FEEL THE EXACT SAME WAY!!!!! it rubs me so oddly because EVERYTHING IN THE ENTIRE GAME points to Godwyn, even the DLC has 3 of Godwyns Deathknights and lore in the dlc. All of the omen,and living death references like the ghost flame dragons possibly... I mean its all Godwyn! And then at the last second the bait and switched the lore to be Radahn.... Just feels so weird!

@CoffeeBrainzz

5 күн бұрын

Also in Castle Sol. We KNOW it was Godwyn he was trying to restore because of the Legendary Armament Half Eclipse Shotel! It literally mentions The Prince Of Death in its item decription. And you can pick it up at the final Alter before fighting the boss in the castle. As well as all of the wandering headless knights half eclipse armor for the prince of death

@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf

5 күн бұрын

The omen have nothing to do with godwyn. The ghost flame also has nothing to do with godwyn. What are you talking about?

@CoffeeBrainzz

5 күн бұрын

@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf well I mention omen because he was Godfrey’s Son, along with Mohg and Margitt. And I feel like the Hornsent are kind of a distant ancestors to the omen possibly? So I thought maybe there was a coorelation there. And I mention ghost flame because the skeletons are all ‘Those Who Live In Death’ which is Fias whole quest! Those who live in death use Ghostflame, so yes it kind of does involve Godwyn a bit. But then it also has the DeathKnights in the DLC which is also a reference to Godwyn and Those Who Live In Death. So there ya go buddy 😉

@rodrickstark8516

5 күн бұрын

This 100%. Yet people mention "wELL, HiS sOul iS gOnE".... bruh... it'a a fantasy world where dragons, ghosts, spirits, living dolls and a bunch of shit exist. You can't tell me that the eclipse ritual to fix/return a soul is absurd with all the magic and bs the lore has. Hell, even something like bringing Godwyn but it isn't really Godwyn, like an amalgamatiomln of souls with Miquellas powers or something...

@Lewcifer0

5 күн бұрын

⁠@@rodrickstark8516dude, THANK YOU. Miquella was obviously trying to restore the soul of Godwyn with the eclipse, meaning it’s something that was at least believed to be possible. People are tripping. Restoring his soul would’ve also had no effect on his fish body or age of duskborn ending in the base game, as his physical body took on a life of its own. It’s no longer Godwyn. Miquella restoring Godwyn’s soul and putting it in Mohg’s body would’ve made more sense imo.

On weapon type. If only From Software thought of those weapon type in the base game. This would be phenomenal. For example imagine if hand of malenia was light greatsword. It would match the stance Malenia uses with this weapon and would be more accurate in a way she is using the weapon. Probably more weapons could be changed like that. We could have gotten Serosh claws etc

@feelmycharizard2819

5 күн бұрын

Omg serosh claws bro i forgot about the first consort this would be wild 😢

@glibglob8755

5 күн бұрын

It’s called new game plus. Boom, now they’re in the base game. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@frankcaggiano8282

5 күн бұрын

​@@glibglob8755lol right, people just love to cry. "Too many smithing stones!" "Also the new weapons suck/I don't like their fighting style, so I'm not using those crafting materials and experimenting enough like I should be". With all the stones I've found, I've experimented with enough new weapons and stuff that I still need to buy copious amounts of smithing stones from the crones to keep upgrading stuff.....

@feelmycharizard2819

5 күн бұрын

@@glibglob8755 bro there are no serosh claws in the base game or dlc Read the first comment again !😂

@azeria1

5 күн бұрын

​@@glibglob8755wow I can't believe new game plus changed the he hand of malenia into a light greatsword amazing

The only thing I didagree with is Radahn. I think it's a clear example of something people don't really get and even dislike until they discover the lore around it and suddenly they love it. There are already a few videos making theories around Radahn and Miquella and, if they are totally or partially right, it puts Miquella in retrospective and makes him look even more terrifying and it makes Radahn's story a sad one. I'd say topn people skeptical with the idea of the final boss to have patience, at the beginning I also thought it eas weird, but it might actually make a lot of sense and it might make you see both characters in a very different way.

The biggest let down for me was no new info on the gloam eyed queen 😢

It’s so good to see a critique that isn’t just kissing Fromsoftware’s ass mentioning the open world aspects with literally nothing in them. I feel like they should have just scrapped most of these areas and focused on a more linear progression path with a denser more focused environment to explore similar to past games. That was one of my biggest hopes for the DLC, and it was a huge let down in that aspect. Not to mention that they didn’t bother adding any new covenants or rewards for them or the six player limit.

@glowie5811

5 күн бұрын

I would have preferred they went all in on legacy dungeons. Make them as big and elaborate as possible, with minor open world elements surrounding them.

@erikcarl2384

5 күн бұрын

well i think most of his critique isnt fair and based on lore he is missing... however the empty zones are absolutely a let down though, it shouldnt be like their past games though elden ring is its own open world format.

@icecreamvendor8245

5 күн бұрын

@@glowie5811 The way they approached the Shadow Keep was so good with how many areas were connected to it. I wish they followed this design more throughout the entire map instead of just dumping empty environment after empty environment onto us.

@r3gret2079

5 күн бұрын

But he was kinda wrong too tho. There IS a boss in the finger ruins.

@icecreamvendor8245

5 күн бұрын

And Rauh into Belurat + Enir-Ilim

Story trailer teased a lot of story info that we never got and it was UNBELIEVABLY disappointing..... The lack of any of the Marika and Divine Gate stuff, the creature she pulled the gold from, nothing!!!!! Nothing about Melina or Flown Eye Queen, nothing added to the Godskins, there was just so much lore beats that were missing.... And apparently there was zero relevance to the sap flowing down to that arc tower... We didn't even go there lol. The sunflower boss was really cool tho

@alexrc7333

5 күн бұрын

I agree pal, the sunflower boss batlle was fun and I would've liked to fight more of those avatars. I have the hope we get to do something with the Scadutree vessel in a future patch but maybe it is just a lordvessel reference.

@pancakke08

5 күн бұрын

The arc tower is after the boss Commander Gaius so we do actually go there. And Im not defending the lack of Melina but she is mentioned is the description of Messmer’s Kindling

@CoffeeBrainzz

4 күн бұрын

@@pancakke08 I get what you’re sayin, but to be honest the tiniest of note hinting at messmers little sister bugs me even more! 😅 like they were aware enough to put it there but it’s absolutely nowhere else. Could have had more, maybe a brief hint of how she became burned and bodiless? Maybe it was Messmers own doing to escape the shadow realm? Anything would have been nice

Godwyn the Golden not being a boss in this dlc is criminal. We'll never get the closure on him at this point and that stings. Hes such an interesting character with a wealth of potential options.

If someone asked me how I felt about the DLC in the first 10-15 hours, I would say its the best DLC i have ever played, but by the time I got to the ancient ruins of rahn, a combination of performance issues, lackluster exploration rewards and emptier areas, balance issues with some of the new weapons and spells, and a fear of having the story spoiled made me just rush to the final boss. After having beaten the DLC i can honestly say while i still think its great, probably second for me behind the old hunters, I dont ever see myself ever completing the dlc again, especially the final boss. I will probably come back just to give ol mesmer a visit and do some of the side dungeons for the loot, but then Im dipping outta there. And this is coming from a guy who still completes every area in the base game even after like 8 playthroughs.

@ReneAensland

Күн бұрын

Boom! Nicely said.

Is it sad the second to last boss was more entertaining than the final one

@alexrc7333

5 күн бұрын

You mean the big bout of the once charmed?

Do you think it's possible that from soft can add enemies/ bosses to these empty areas

no covenants and no 6man invasion/coop fights is such a shame to me :(

You know as much as I love Radahn for being as cool as he is I do think fighting Godwyn would have been a million times better since we only have stories of his strength we can’t actually go and fight him. Still I think Miquella choosing Radahn as his consort is just further proof that Miquella isn’t as great as he tries to make himself out to be. He wants a world of kindness and peace and yet he mind-controlled a warlord to be his king. It seems to me Miquella wants mind control the world and force people to view him as a god and to be good to each other and those he can’t mind control to simply wipe away with the power of Radahn.

@ggwp638BC

5 күн бұрын

People expecting Godwyn aren't used to how FromSoft does DLC. I was even surprised they had Radahn in it, I was genuinely expecting the final boss to be some random creature introduced in the DLC.

@CreativeUsernameEh

5 күн бұрын

It makes no sense that Miq wants a gentle world and then brings back warmonger Radan. Instead of Godwyn who brought peace and befriended former enemies. Dlc was so disappointing.

@BlackKnight6400

5 күн бұрын

Isn’t the whole point of the dlc that mqiuella hasn’t to go against his values and abandon everything (even his love and compassion) in order to achieve godhood so he can then make the world a better place. It’s really one of the more tragic stories in Elden ring. In order to achieve his dream of a kinder world he must do things that go against that very belief. Every one is acting like miquella is super evil some are even acting like he’s the most evil yet he literally created a safe haven for those that the golden order discriminated against. He was just willing to do anything to achieve godhood so he can replace the corrupt golden order. Then the player goes after him and stop him on behalf the golden order. Leda says that you were the one being guided there all along, and that was to stop miquella crating his new order so the golden order could stay powerful. The order known for genocide and shunning those deemed graceless.

@apuffin9545

5 күн бұрын

​@@ggwp638BCyeah and that would've been way better than fighting radahn again. Idk why people are acting like disgusting animated corpse of godwyn wouldve been the fanservice option lol, radahn is easily the fan favourite

Godwyn not being the final boss is such a missed opportunity and I'll never forgive fromsoft.

@k4ngbechillin

5 күн бұрын

Bro he is literally dead, how tf would he be the final boss

@arkstream176

5 күн бұрын

⁠@@k4ngbechillinAh yes, because Radahn is definitely alive by the time by the time we reach the dlc 😹.

@RealPipeCar

5 күн бұрын

@@arkstream176 OC meant Godwyns soul is gone. It's stated in the lore that the death rune is essentially the concept of death and when you die to destined death you are gone for good. Your soul is destroyed and Godwyns body was unusable for a vessel.

@apuffin9545

5 күн бұрын

​@@RealPipeCareasily couldve had radahn possessing godwyns body or just a soulless corpse as consort. Having a soulless animated body as consort would've really emphasised how twisted miquella was and how far he was willing to go to achieve godhood too. All of this is besides the point anyway, having radahn as the final boss when you've already fought him is not a very satisfying conclusion, at least for a lot of people. At the very least, the presentation and build of of the reveal couldve been done better

@masque9446

5 күн бұрын

I have decided to blame GRRM for this one since he has a track record of writing notoriously bad endings. Fromsoft gets a pass because they made my favorite game ever, Bloodborne. I am hoping that the game they are working on with Brandon Sanderson is much better, I guess we will see in about 7 years.

To be fair with Cerulean coast, it's a very tiny area. I don't mind it being rather empty because it's even smaller than Weeping Peninsula. I was also initially disappointed at how empty it was like many people complained about, but then I zoomed out on the map and saw that it barely makes up 1/7th of the map, or less. So I'm not as disappointed by that. I think it's supposed to be more of an entrance to the Stone Fissure area which is why it's so small.

@metalsludge8205

5 күн бұрын

i felt the same way about Abyssal Woods and Jagged Peak, mostly empty (albeit cool visually) environments that basically serve only as setpieces for the remembrance bosses there. although Bayle and Midra are easily some of my favorite bosses, it didn't justify those areas taking up so much map space for very little in terms of enemies or items

@LuigiG145

5 күн бұрын

@@metalsludge8205 Jagged peak is basically a giant boss arena for 3-4 dragons. I understand that people are let down by it just being a linear, empty area but I warmed to it a bit more by just seeing it as 4 dragon fight arenas one after the other. I agree on Abyssal Woods being really empty. Though I'm not sure if more structures and items would have made sense in Abyssal Woods given the context. Perhaps they could have used the trees to form mazes and vertical levels like what they did with the Haligtree or Great Hollow in DS1?

Yeah, I was confused as to why Godwyn wasn't in the DLC. It really felt like everything was leading up to he and Miquella being the focal point of the plot.

I am coming to terms with it being Radahn more and more by focusing on the Epitaph saying he wanted Godwyn to die a true death. Nothing more. So we do not see Miquella necessarily wanting to have Godwyn as a consort but just that he is at peace. Without knowing a ton of the lore on this part - I do think part of it can be that his soul cannot be restored like Radahn's due to the nature of the Black Knives and the use of the rune of death when killing him

@Zomboy123456789

5 күн бұрын

If Godwyn died a true death he could take his soul and place it in a body.

@RecordedMercury

5 күн бұрын

But he literally denied Radhan a true death so what the fuck are you blabbling about?

@rclaws3230

5 күн бұрын

Elden Ring is a socio-political polemic, what you're seeing is Miquella as the embodiment of an ideology giving up on Godwyn as the embodiment of another ideology to embrace and use Radahn as the embodiment of yet another ideology. It's all political allegory. Every character is a pure avatar of a philosophical concept. Miyazaki is lecturing the entire western hemisphere.

@maskedmenreiki

5 күн бұрын

@@RecordedMercury I would argue otherwise yeah? Radahn surviving the Scarlet Aeonia wasn't intended. Miquella was banking on Malenia killing Radahn and sending his soul to the realm of shadow. It was the plan from the beginning.

@Pie_Smacker

5 күн бұрын

If Miquella actually cared about "true deaths" he wouldn't have rotted Radahn and then stole his soul so he could have a puppet consort. Miquella being the villain was expected, his brainwashing powers and reliance on charms are proof of it, but that kind of hypocrisy never stuck. If he never actually cared about True Deaths being granted then he wouldn't have such a connection to Godwyn and would have undoubtedly made use of Godwyn's undeath to his advantage

I just finished my first run. I loved it. 10/10. But I felt like there was some missed opportunities, and I wanted to see some more lore characters. mainly a GODWINN THE RESSURECTED boss fight

@Jimmy-vv6tn

5 күн бұрын

Unfortunately it can never be Godwyn since his soul his gone

@bobertastic6541

5 күн бұрын

RESSURECT WHAT?

@frankcaggiano8282

5 күн бұрын

Godwyn, as the above commenter said, can never be a boss. His soul IS the new Rune of Death that Fia births. He no longer exists beyond that singular godly object. He's been in our pocket since we obtained it

@coraline2770

5 күн бұрын

Do we even know if he was trying to resurrect Godwin at all or was all that really for Radhan until he figured out it needed to be in the shadow realm

@mingQWERTY

5 күн бұрын

Adding on to the lore reasons on why Godwyn can't be a boss, a Godwyn boss will probably be a mess due to him being a Prince of Death. I doubt anybody wants deathblight to be everywhere in the arena

Part of me feels like they didn't have enough time or retconed some information regarding Miquella wanting Radahn as consort, which would make sense considering there was retconning going on in the base game too, so maybe there's things we didn't see that only the writers know because it go cut to save some time. It would make some sense though, as it's shown and told that Radahn's warriors loved and respected him, he had kindness in him (we should know the lore with his horse by now), and he was incredibly powerful. So my theory is that Godwyn was originally Miquella's choice, but when he "died" Miquella needed to move onto plan B, that being Radahn. Radahn would've been the strength Miquella needed if his spell was resisted or blocked (even in his godly form we manage to resist it at least once, and potentially more with the use of his rune, so there likely would've been dissent that needed a fist like the starscourge's to put down). As for the horns, my thought is that Miquella would've had them removed beforehand, but if you notice, the face is Radahn's too, so what if the body is changing to fit the soul inhabiting it? My only issue with the fight is that it feels like the effects are a little over the top and it's hard to see sometimes, the hitboxes seem a little bigger than the should be too, but maybe it's because I suck. I think the real crime is making Messmer "that" boss, where he's more significant to the background plot, less so to the story you're experiencing. He's super cool and relegating him to where he is feels almost disrespectful to the setup he got. Rellana got robbed too, because there's no lead up, no real lore, not even a cutscene, just kind of there. She's technically even optional too if you go the back way so having a boss that's supposed to be the sister to the Carian Queen that abrupt and forgotten kinda blows. It would be cool if they said "ah, fuck it" and annouced a new dlc to add more weapons and explain more things, but I doubt that'll happen, considering how long this one took.

@yominashi2379

4 күн бұрын

there was no retcon it just yall headcanon

@the_frenchiest_fry6577

4 күн бұрын

@@yominashi2379 my brother in Christ you can see where they changed shit everywhere, certain items being in odd places, and tons of NPCs that got cut in the base game and I assume we'll find in the DLC. Go watch Zullie, she goes over that stuff all the friggin time

ya ive thought for the last 2 years that the last boss would forsure be Godwyn. it made sense, and his presence throughout the underworld of ER really brought so much atmosphere to the game. he would have made the perfect last boss, assuming the boss fight was good. its currently my biggest and one of my only gripes with the expansion

I was also really disappointed in the lack of new weapon types. It was very surprising to find that each category only has 2 or 3 weapons to it. Especially for things like the light greatsword, would’ve been really dope to have more options.

I am 99% positive that the final boss was intended to be Godwyn, his soul restored and placed in Mohg’s body. I’m thinking, if it wasn’t due to time constraints, it might be that they thought the player base had a stronger connection with Radahn as a character than Godwyn, and decided to use that information to try and appeal to their wider audience? It’s such a weird decision that I can’t think of any other explanation. Surely this wasn’t planned from the start… The Death Knight Armor description talks about some very interesting things regarding the Prince of Death’s “cadaver surrogate,” and the Age of the Duskborn. The last section says: “These knights, once Godwyn's personal guard, quested to find their transfigured master's cadaver surrogate-for the coming age of the Duskborn.” This is just wayyy too relevant to the Miquella-Radahn-Godwyn dilemma not to bring up. Cadaver surrogate… sounds a lot like what Mohg’s body is for Radahn. Mohg is essentially Radahn’s cadaver surrogate. This is a big reason I think they originally planned for the final boss to be Godwyn. I just can’t figure out why they would decide to change it up the way they did… almost makes the story feel watered down in a way… Also, this is somewhat relevant but not quite: on the handles Death Knights Twin Axes/Longhaft Axe, there are markings which look VERY similar to the markings we can see on the Godslayer Greatsword. This, to me, implies some kind of familiarity with the GEQ before his Death. It’s unfortunate those marking are probably the only evidence of this theory we’ll ever get… the mystery can be fun sometimes but there are certain things I think they really needed to answer or expand on but just didn’t. And I know that’s how the FromSoft DLC cookies crumble, I’m saying this about all their soulsborne games. It’s okay to leave a stone or two unturned for the sake of intrigue, but there are certain things that you just HAVE to answer for it to be a satisfying conclusion to the story. When a DLC doesn’t answer those big questions the fans have been pondering for years, it feels frustrating but in an existential way, like, “damn, I really live in the reality where this is all we’ll ever get about that plot line.” And it sucks! It’s one of the very few bad aspects of FromSoft DLCs. I don’t think anyone is happy we didn’t get any GEQ lore/information, more Godwyn content, more clarification on how Marika did what she did, or who she did it to. Some people might say they like it this way, but I truly think those people have just tricked themselves into believing that so they can continue to enjoy the game without the curiosity worm turning their brains to mush.

@spirosgiatietci

5 күн бұрын

Dude Godwyn is dead and his soul is gone. There is no reviving him, unlike radahn. I get you dont like what they did, but retconing the games lore for your convenience doesnt work

@LeggoMyGekko

5 күн бұрын

@@spirosgiatietci there’s much more lore supporting some kind of relationship between Miquella and Godwyn than there is about Miquella and Radahn. Miquella tried to restore Godwyn’s soul, but it didn’t work for some reason. But this does mean that Miquella thought it was possible, and he’s known for his wisdom despite his young appearance. We also didn’t know transferring souls into other people’s bodies was possible, at least not without a Primal Glintstone. So who’s to say his resurrection is impossible? Maybe we were lied to, maybe his soul wasn’t actually killed, but taken somewhere else. Somewhere like… the land of shadow?? I’m just speculating. I’d argue throwing in Radahn with that “vow” that’s never even hinted at in the base game, is more of a retcon than Godwyn, a character who Miquella had already shown interest in, specifically his soul and granting him life once more. It would’ve made perfect sense, but would’ve blown everyone away. One of those “so THATS what he was trying to do!” moments, rather than “wait, is that… Radahn? Wtf?” followed by an absolute throttling. I’m not trying to “retcon the games lore for my convenience,” I’m explaining why I believe Radahn being the final boss is a retcon in and of itself. Much more so than Godwyn would have been. There’s actually hard evidence of a relationship or kinship between Godwyn and Miquella in the base game, but not Miquella and Radahn. The only “interaction” we get between them is the war in Caelid, and Malenia specifically going to fight Radahn at Miquellas request. Also we STILL don’t know a lot about this vow, wether it was by his own free will or through Miquella’s charm, what the twins’ side of the deal was, Radahn’s thoughts on the matter (he doesn’t talk at all…). If the vow was between the twins and Godwyn, now that’s something I’d be interested in. But this just feels… dry? Idk. Unfinished doesn’t feel like the right word, but I think certain ideas they had didn’t really get to pan out how they wanted them to so they made do with what they could. I mean Radahn’s model was already in game, it was probably easier to make a character with pre-existing textures and color palettes than a brand new design from scratch. I imagine Radahn not speaking is a result of the last minute decision to change the final boss, maybe they didn’t have enough time to record voice lines for him. I’d love to hear Godwyn’s cut voice lines tho, if he has any. I wonder if any exist in the coding. I hope data-miners find it soon if it does!

@dmacg5520

5 күн бұрын

Dude respectfully there’s a simple lore explanation for godwyn not being the consort and it’s the fact that not only is godwyns soul fully dead, it’s the fact miquella rather him have a true death then his corpse be a mindless rotting puppet

@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf

5 күн бұрын

@@LeggoMyGekko ranni literally killed herself and then possessed a doll, and shabriri possessed Yura after Eleanora killed him. to say we didn’t know people could possess other bodies until now is goofy.

@sneoea6674

5 күн бұрын

​@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolfyes but they didn't get killed with the literal embodiment of death like Godwyn did

5:40 you can even spirit summon in these areas. It had me thinking there was gonna be a miniboss or something in them. Maybe they didn’t have enough time and resources to implement them properly resulting in the emptiness?

Not getting a sleep perfume is a sin Also the godwyn thing also makes too much sense for them not to have done that. The only godwyn references are in the catacombs and it feels like such a missed opportunity

The entirety if the dragon communion area are two dragon fights, a randomly placed ancient dragon smithing stone and nothing else. Not a puzzle, just spirit jumping platforms.

@Martin-lm8xp

5 күн бұрын

also an item that changes you into humanoid dragon

@Zaenathi

5 күн бұрын

and Igon

@flowgauge2399

5 күн бұрын

The spectacle of climbing the mountain followed by Igon yelling at a dragon was all I needed from the jagged peak

@coraline2770

5 күн бұрын

Can't agree loved jagged peak Igon the dragon priestess the puzzle for finding the rock heart and the priestess heart I also know you can get her spirit ashes if ya give her the concoction the area I do think need more was they abyssal woods

@shobooknight

5 күн бұрын

There's four fights, one drake, two drakes, ancient dragon and then igon

I personally gave the DLC a 7.5/10 for a multitude of reasons but my biggest ones being not utilizing the open world areas as well (for loot) and most bosses feeling very similar to each other. It’s a great experience but I still prefer The Old Hunters DLC personally.

I'm glad the Radahn consort bit didn't make sense to you either. I've seen other lore specialists buy into it, but it makes literally ZERO sense!

When I download the game shadow of the 🌳 I can't play my first version level 367. .but I can play my second version 310 ...somebody please explain

My idea if Godwin even came back would be this. Miquella was trying to resurrect Godwin, but discovering that he was unable to do so because death in Soul would seal his fate made him try another method. So he wanted to use "Godwin" on a different way. He took part of his body and Moghs body as well in order to make a chimera on some sorts, using his idea of what Godwin was, in order to revive something that really isn´t the hero he expected, a mindless puppet. So, the more we fight Godwin, more he becomes more unstable while Miquella idea is deteriorating, remembering how tragic his death was. At the end, "Godwin" becomes a monster of deathblight, an abomination that never should had been a consort to begin with. A real nightmare that Miquella tried to bring back but utterly failed.

@primalzacama1867

5 күн бұрын

Phase one is the body with Miquella holding on like in the game. Phase two Godwin corrupts Miquella's godly form, twisting it into a deathblight angel of sorts while an eclipse forms in the sky.

@iqbaladi4481

5 күн бұрын

Yea that's gonna be great, some grotesque miquella for ascending to godhood, we knew that godwyn beyond saving, he is completely soulless but how about his physic? I mean hey he is still alive as a corpse, then it would be the same premise as radhan and mohg

@sfcSpidey

5 күн бұрын

Yeah I really don’t get why they chose radahn instead of godwyn for the final boss it’s like they had the set up perfect for it and randomly switch so strange

@zigsynx5364

5 күн бұрын

So basically Frankenstein. Yeah this is a way better idea than whatever mess we got😂

@BenefitCounterbench

5 күн бұрын

Please make a mod for this 🙏🏻

seems like they went for an "Oh, wow!" moment and instead got an "Oh, why?" moment with Radahn.

It would have made sense for miquella to retrieve moghs soul from the erdtree and put it in godwynns body and we fight a cursed blood deathroot final boss that was being charmed by miquella. Godwynn would even have the dragon incants.

I think Radahn should have had more bloodflame.