That vid instantly took me back to 1967 and Canadian Arsenals Ltd in Long Branch Ontario Canada to a line of four of those machines all operated by women employed there during WWII and myself fresh out of an ERA machinist apprenticeship with the RCN being their newbie young set-up and toolproving guy. Glory days indeed. Those and huge Acme-Gridley' s were all run by ladies who could tell instantly when a tool bit was failing.

I was a journeyman machinist in the 80s & 90s. I never had the opportunity to set up a B&S screw machine, but they are truly a marvel of engineering.

When you turned on this machine and we saw the Screw machine cutting oil start to flow I can to this day remember that smell., what a great machine and a fine pleasure to get to watch it run, thank you for the share, Lance & Patrick.

@TheBigSkillet

5 жыл бұрын

Oh no ~ that was some rancid shit ~ almost as bad as the old radial arm drill ~

@franzotto448

4 жыл бұрын

Da gebe ich dir Recht, wenn der Geruch des Kühlöl sich in den Anziehsachen eingenistet hat, den wurde man ewig nicht los, nichtmal nach dem waschen. 1968 habe ich als 14 Jähriger Schüler im UdP, Untericht in der Produktion, war in der DDR Pflicht, an den Drehautomaten die Drehspäne entfernen und die Werkstücke auf Maßhaltigkeit prüfen Since I agree with you, if the smell of cooling oil has taken root in the clothes, you would not get rid of forever, not even after washing. In 1968, as a 14-year-old pupil of the UdP, I was a lecturer in production. In the GDR, I was obliged to remove the turnings from the automatic lathes and inspect the workpieces for dimensional accuracy

@Stevensherah

4 жыл бұрын

I miss that smell in my career 😭 Things have changed drastically

I ran a couple of these back in the 90's. the last one left our shop in 2008 as it was a safety hazard (according to our safety committee) And needed to be guarded. LoL no one ever got hurt on them you just had to be aware of what you were doing. Great video.

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

Know anyone who could make us some brass wood screws?

My first job was operating Brown & Sharpe screw machines for the jewelry and shoe industries. The shop I worked at in Providence had about 12 machines a 0,00 and number 2. This shop ran mostly brass rods anywhere from .062 diameter to .750 of an inch with cross drilling and tapping. There were a couple of old machines that were cone. drives I believe the drive unit was called Turner unidrive. This was in the early 1970’s

@user-mp8ii3ls9d

11 ай бұрын

Hi, curious young machinist here in RI. Where was the shop you worked in? Just curious, I love machining and Providence history. What a powerhouse of American manufacturing

Screw machines are so dang cool. Wish i knew where there was one running around me to go see haha.

That brings back some memories working in a factory full of those 00s and their bigger version making lock components .First job in the morning. Flick all the trips up and warm the machines up .

@petereconomakis149

3 жыл бұрын

Yup about 15 minutes of warm up was good..

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

Just saw your Comment on a You Tube video of a Brown and Sharpe screw making machine Do you know who could make us some brass woodscrews? Thanks for Your Help, John

@petereconomakis149

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnfetner5443 Just what size screws are you looking for?

This is a small version. I visited a shop circa 1972 that had a giant version making threaded hex nuts from 8-10 inch diameter stock. It was scary (and loud) and awesome and a bit intimidating.

@jeli3953

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, this is the baby. Laid out a little differently from the larger machines.

Engineers were built different from this time. This is incredible

First machine shop I worked in had 24 brownies.

I always wanted to learn how to run one of these. Most of my experience is with milling, grinding and basic manual lathe. I worked at one shop that had Swiss lathes but got laid off in 2009.

Yup, these things were made back in the good old days. That’s back when men were men and sheep were scared. This was essentially a computer and a milling machine and the people who knew how to program them were a different breed. My uncle Ernie, who passed away at Christmas a year ago, had one of these and told me so much about it. He was a master machinist. Died December 16th. Amazing man. He worked with my company continuously and was such an amazing guy. Brilliant machines though! Wonder how many World War I and World War II, Korean War, Vietnam war machines, aircraft, tanks, ships, bombs and other devices of war, went through these things? We could very well owe America’s entire dominance of war, on these very machines and the master machinists who ran, built and designed parts on the old Brown and Sharpes screw machine.

@benbird2100

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, essentially a computer? It looks mechanical/cam operated to me. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I am trying to make sure I'm understanding what I'm seeing correctly. I know that punch-card or tape "computers" had been in use in the 50's, but I was under the impression that mechanical automation was still more popular at the time. Then again, I'm not sure what year this machine was made, so I'm admittedly not an expert here, especially since I've never touched, let alone used, a machine tool. That's why my question may come off uninformed or naive, because I more or less am just a layman observer lol

@andrewyork3869

2 жыл бұрын

@@benbird2100 these machines where a early type of CNC, and regardless of how narrowly where infact programmable.

@benbird2100

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewyork3869 Depends on how you define CNC. Early numerical control, or NC (the precursor to computer numerical control, or CNC) relied on magnetic tape or punch cards. Screw machines existed for quite some time before NC became viable after WWII.

@andrewyork3869

2 жыл бұрын

@@benbird2100 I look at this alot like an old mechanical calculator, or an analog tide prediction machine.

This is mesmerizing to watch. Probably could sit and watch this machine for hours and be entertained.

@KingSlimjeezy

5 жыл бұрын

they are mesmerizing sure, but trust me they are nasty sons of bitches to work with

Looks the machine was set up very well, what a nice quick action. A part every few seconds!

This tool has a swing stop, since there are only 3 operations on the turret, it would be more economical to re-cut cams to double index the turret obviating the need for a turret stop. This would increase cycle time and part production.

Nice video. We have over 50 of them in our shop. I run 8 of them every day in my area

@machineshopworkantiquemach6370

5 жыл бұрын

Anyone there know how to design the cams for them?

@WilleJamesHuff

5 жыл бұрын

We buy all of ours already done

@martybadboy

5 жыл бұрын

And then you go home and watch them on KZread!? 😜

@jaswindersinghsardaar3480

3 жыл бұрын

Dear bro , have you b&S machine for sale

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

How do i contact you abut a job?

I worked in a machine shop and we had numerous BS, BSA, and Index machines, the trouble was you had to design and make new cams for a lot of jobs. We also had about 50 multi spindle machines ,Wickman mostly but a few Acme Gridley. The noise was incredible but nothing can come close to the cycle time of a multi spindle machine.

The cleverness of man never ceases to amaze.

I ran Davenports for 25 years, never seen a Brownie till right now. Pretty cool.

@mjshuja1948

Жыл бұрын

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@MONKEYTOWN13

Ай бұрын

I hear Davenports hard to run...I run Brown and Sharpes

Such a cool machine.

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

Just saw your Comment on a You Tube video of a Brown and Sharpe screw making machine Do you know who could make us some brass woodscrews? Thanks for Your Help, John

They purchased the IP for the CVA Autos in about 1974, the machine looks very similar!

This 00 (1/2 dia cap), I believe has a chain-drive spindle and is known as a square-base machine. Older models were belt driven. This machine has the capability for auto screw-head slotting and/or or c/o burr removal. The attachment isn't on the machine. The slotting doesn't slow down the cycle. I even did straddle-milling of 2 flats on the head of a 10-32 screw. I also modified a 2G Brownie (1 1/4 dia cap) to do cross-drilling and tapping on the OD of a 7/8 dia alum disc, 3/16 thick with a .156 dia ID. Cycle was about 18 sec. This 00 machine probably dates to the 50's.

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

Who can i contact to make me some screws?

@algirdpatrick5048

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnfetner5443 How many screws & where do you live ?

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

@@algirdpatrick5048 RE: DOOR SCREWS Project: Vintage Beverly and I own a 1901 home here in Atlanta. In the process of refinishing a group of heart pine doors, we had some #9 X ¾ slotted flat head brass screws made to hang the solid wood doors. We offered the balance to others who were interested in this item and are now looking to make some additional screws. I’d like to make some 9 X 1 and possibly several other #9 wood screw sizes. My previous order was for (1000) 9 X ¾ screws. I’m looking for Made in USA screws. Thanks for Your Help, John E-address johnwaldfetner@zoho.com

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

@@algirdpatrick5048 Our previous order was for (1000) 9 X ¾ screws. I’d like to make some 9 X 1 and possibly several other #9 screw sizes. The idea was to make a number of different screws from the same brass rod or wire. What quantity works best for you?

I made a lot of blender drive shafts on a B and S

Pure engineering. ❤

eine schöne alte Drehmaschine mit Revolverkopf und Kurvenscheibensteuerung, 1968 mußte ich als Schüler im UdP die Späne raus angeln, war eine fettige Angelegenheit. a beautiful old lathe with turret and cam control, 1968 I had to fish out the chips as a student in the UdP was a greasy affair.

Set 4 off these 00 with screw cutting attachment 60.00mm cap with double grip collets happy days

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

know anyone who can make us some brass wood screws?

That's Good Stuff

Of course now of days, this is all done on a CNC machine. So much easier to program and set up. Perhaps just a bit slower but so much more flexible. Still there are some applications where this sort of machine is hard to beat, this one is one of those applications.

@jeli3953

9 ай бұрын

Not all. There are a lot of B&S and others out there. In addition to our own work, we took some of the work from the CNCs when they got behind, because our cycle times were so much shorter. Nothing against CNCs, but they shine with very complex parts and very high precision. On more mundane parts, we kicked their butts.

I once bought two #00s ,new in crates ,exWW2 lend lease.....sadly I just scrapped them ,as you couldnt give away Brownies .

Brown & Sharpe was a solid, well run company. Unfortunately, a protracted and terribly violent strike by the union employees, did irreversible damage to the company and its reputation. The strike lasted 10 years (the longest strike in American Manufacturing history) and the once renowned company died in the early 1990s.

i'm training on one of these from 1942. fun and involving, but not really designed for fast turn-over.

I would love an overview of how a machine like this is programmed.

@carbidegrd1

4 жыл бұрын

Programmed?

@bvcxzgt5451

4 жыл бұрын

@@carbidegrd1 Yes. How you control what action happens at what time and to what distances. I'd imagine it involves a series of cams and limit stops, among other things.

@fanplant

4 жыл бұрын

@@bvcxzgt5451 the cam on the right makes the turret feed, the drum in front of it have dogs that make it index. Another three cams make the three slides move. The drum on the left makes it open the collet and push the stock in. If I remember correctly the cam on the left is the one that makes the top slide come down, it was mainly used for the cutoff. On and one drum trips it from high to low speed but you can set up one to be low speed reverse. That same drum has a cam to make the parts shute come up.

@bvcxzgt5451

4 жыл бұрын

@@fanplant Awsome and cool. Thanks.

@robertkenyon7038

4 жыл бұрын

The motions of the turret and cross slides are governed by plate cams which are individually made for each job. (It's possible to use the same cams on similar jobs, but this will usually add to the cycle time). The turret slide moves the six station indexing turret. Each position can take an end working tool mounted in a tool holder, either floating or fixed. The tool holders on the machine above have, from memory, a 5/8" Dia. shank which is inserted onto the Turret holes and clamped using the Hex. Bolts. Typical tools include: drills, taps, die-heads, reamers, swing recessing tools, roller boxes etc.. On the rear of the machine, there a Back-shaft with various Dog Clutches which are tripped by the trip dogs on the Front-shaft. These trips activate the mechanism to trip the turret to the next position and open the collet and advance the bar-feed mechanism as required (see at 2:00 mins). Between the Rear shaft and the Front shaft, is the Turret Cam Shaft which advances and retracts the turret tooling for each operation. Designing the cams for the turret mechanism can be quite challenging and the task is often done by specialists, but we used to make our own. The cross-slides are actuated by simpler plate cams which mostly move the slides back and forth, for plunge forming / parting-off or, as in the video, knurling. These machines are very productive and even now, out perform CNC machines on small diameter simple parts. Our shop has gone completely CNC, but I have still kept a couple of Index Machines in storage in case I ever need them. Unfortunately, I'm one of a dying breed who actually knows how the set and run them but I'm not sure if I ever want to get that dirty again! I used to make all of the form tools we needed, and even now have to grind drills for my employees, who have never learned these skills.

chains need adjusting can hear them and go to the 240 backshaft its easier on mach..feed out low speed

Worst job of my life, first job of my life, was operating these. Always cut up with metal chips and my boss was too cheap to buy new oil, so hot chips would come flying off the machine wrapping up into my arm hairs and scorching me... started shaving my arms so the brass would slip off my arms and not burn me.

@petereconomakis149

4 жыл бұрын

Some parts just make hot chips, whether the oil is new or old..

@poppabear9279

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, these things were made back in the good old days. That’s back when men were men and sheep were scared. This was essentially a computer and a milling machine and the people who knew how to program them were a different breed. My uncle Ernie, who passed away at Christmas a year ago, had one of these and told me so much about it. He was a master machinist. Died December 16th. Amazing man. He worked with my company continuously and was such an amazing guy. Brilliant machines though! Wonder how many World War I and World War II, Korean War, Vietnam war machines, aircraft, tanks, ships, bombs and other devices of war, went through these things? We could very well owe America’s entire dominance of war, on these very machines and the master machinists who ran, built and designed parts on the old Brown and Sharpes screw machine.

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

@@poppabear9279 Just saw your Comment on a You Tube video of a Brown and Sharpe screw making machine Do you know who could make us some brass wood screws? Thanks for Your Help, John

I spent 6 months 30 years ago running and setting them up. I watched this video and wondered if the collet was closed before the feed stop dropped off. Looks like it indexes to a support while still on the feed lobe. PS when I say I feel like I misindexed I'm relating to this machine crashing.

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

Know anyone who could make us some brass wood screws?

@fanplant

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnfetner5443 sadly the owner of the shop I worked at passed 2 years ago.

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

@@fanplantBest I can tell, there is not a single manufacturer in the US who is making wood screws! I’m not convinced there is a market, but I’m trying to put some product out there to test the response. Peter, One of the guys that I am communicating with on You Tube has recommended that we look for a small family owned shop that would be willing to take on this project. Any recommendations? Thanks for Your Help, John E-address johnwaldfetner@zoho.com

Does anyone have an accurate idea of what a 00G weighs?

It looks like your feed trip dog could be advanced about 1 or 2 hundredths. Was setup man on b&s for 40 years.

@calcreighton3385

6 жыл бұрын

fred, can I pick your brain about setting up a screw machine? I have a good book but there are some questions that the book doesn't address, or is not clear.

@miapett691

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. That kind of jumped out at me. Why wait till the last moment?

@fanplant

4 жыл бұрын

Hah! I thought similar and I only had 6 months.

@screwmachinepat6638

4 жыл бұрын

I notice he has a solid stop probably has a delayed feed out intentionally to prevent the dwell of the stop from marking the face of the part. I’ve had to do this before

@Tiffy552

3 жыл бұрын

Thought that was a bit to close off the stop.

awesome, is this thing "programmed" by using different geometry attachments to the various spinning shafts? never seen one in operation before, pretty cool

@StonesAndSand

2 жыл бұрын

I guess you could say "programmed". They're called cams.

@anastaziamarcy3952

Жыл бұрын

1:39 you can see the cams spinning and hear corresponding sounds. Most cams can be replaced based on the part being made and they can easily be made on a standard lathe

@jeli3953

9 ай бұрын

@@anastaziamarcy3952 The blanks are easily made on a lathe. We bought our cam blanks. The best were OEM- they had 100 graduations (each graduation therefore was 3.6 degrees) That helped with laying out the cam shape. They could be be cut out then taken to final dimension various ways. Nicest in my opinion was the cam cutter from B&S.

Beat that CNC.

I have drill and parting off job of 47mm round bar with 18mm drill and 26mm face collar. Someone pls guide me to the best option with 50mm spindle passage. Pls guide me the best option between index, b&s, bsa or any else. Kind Regards Hasan

Is this career worth it?

wow. so the feedstock must stop spinning for the knurl operation?

@jeli3953

9 ай бұрын

No.

I want to used Automatic production turret lathe screw machine BSA

CNC machines don't turn out parts any faster than this old timer. Plus you get to see all the parts working. Only drawback I remember is having to make cam sets for different jobs.

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

Know anyone who could make su some brass wood screws?

@phillhuddleston9445

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but the setup times are much faster with cnc machines, for large volume orders screw machines are still the way to go. They all have their place.

The oil pump has failed in this machine. The evidence is the Dry Oil Drip cup visible in the video. That spindle will soon start to growl.

Where could I get the manual for this machine

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

I did a GoogleSearch for (Brown and Sharpe 00 screw machine). at the bottom of the page was an icon for manuals. I clicked this an was presented with an entire page manuals from different resellers

what flavor of Gcode does that thing use? (kidding, i ran some of them 30 years ago)

@THEMAX00000

3 жыл бұрын

I just got a job three weeks ago running a machine that looks almost exactly like this

@fanplant

3 жыл бұрын

@@THEMAX00000 nice! Enjoy!

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

@@THEMAX00000 know anyone who can make us some brass wood screws?

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

Know anyone who could make us some brass wood screws?

How often does the machine oil have to be changed?

@brustar5152

4 жыл бұрын

When the pump won't push it anymore.

@fanplant

4 жыл бұрын

If I recall it took 2 5 gallon trips so somewhere around 10. Oh sorry, when my boss told me to change it,lol. But it used to stay for quite a while.

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

@@brustar5152 know anyone who can make us some brass wood screws?

I'm looking for a length of 1/4-20 DOUBLE LEAD brass screw stock. Does anybody have a contact for me ?

Detail about machine and price of this machine & how and from where i can buy this machine??

@TheBigSkillet

5 жыл бұрын

www.ebay.com/itm/USED-Brown-and-Sharpe-00-Screw-Machine/292190009688?hash=item4407e1b958:g:eEUAAOSwzVhZcMlz

@miguelcastaneda7236

4 жыл бұрын

diffearant ones stay away from. old belt drives go for a 1 1/2 square base check clutchs and chains check how far gibs are up on adjustement..can prob find to start 3,000 with tooling and up if you find a PTC get rid of allen bradly control put a fanuc..and all you will need is crosslide cams..some PTCs have tracer attachement

@sachinmaurya8365

3 жыл бұрын

We have this type of machine and tornos m7 and tornos R10 screw machine in mumbai india contact sachinmauryamo8@gmail.com 7977340213

I need a machine like that where I can buy it

@cliffordernest7825

5 жыл бұрын

Camilo Perez nobody who owns one is letting them go unless they’re beyond repair. If you do find one... you gotta find a guy to make a cam for it... better off buying a CNC version. Swiss Turn lathe. Like a Citizen, Tsugami, star, nexturn... something.

@machineshopworkantiquemach6370

5 жыл бұрын

Still want one? I own a few i'm willing to be rid of.

@dineshb1041

5 жыл бұрын

Call 900312351 i am having machin brown and sharpe 15 dai and 40 dai

@sachinmaurya8365

3 жыл бұрын

We have this type of machine as well as tornos m7 and tornos R10 machine. in mumbai india contact sachinmauryamo8@gmail.com 7977340213

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

@@machineshopworkantiquemach6370 Know anyone who could make us some brass wood screws?

Hello, I want to use your expertise to answer my questions, what kind of product this machine does?

Oh yeah, the smell of sulfur cutting oil.. It would linger on you all day!! Yup alot of right responses. The stock feed could of be set quicker and some indexing settings could of been better. They did take alot of parts of the front as the spindle cover and tray up front to show the workings. Not to many attachments on this run or machine and to be honest it was just easier to do 2nd operations on some parts than invest the time and pay huge money for some attachments.

@miguelcastaneda7236

4 жыл бұрын

pick up arm you can deburr or slot..you can cross drill also mill off turrent...you can build i did

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

​@@miguelcastaneda7236 know anyone who can make us some brass wood screws?

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

know anyone who can make us some brass wood screws?

@petereconomakis149

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnfetner5443 Not sure if this question is for real but wood screws seem to be cast or cold formed and have a very tapered thread starting from the tip back which I have never seen a a threading tool made for a Browne and Sharpe. I guess it could be done but these are more for machine type screws.. Just curious if you want a custom brass wood screw?

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

@@petereconomakis149 RE: DOOR SCREWS Project: Vintage The videos that I have watched on You Tube of a screw machine factory in China appeared to do this with a coil of wire overhead feeding into a pre-straightening machine that feeds into a Cold Heading machine that feeds into a tread rolling machine. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gImhx5h_iM7dYpc.html I had some 9X3/4 slotted flat head brass screws made to use in our home. I’m trying to have some additional sizes made…. Let me know if you have any suggestions Thanks for Your Help, John E-address johnwaldfetner@zoho.com

Cycle time?

@ericbentsen1597

2 жыл бұрын

The demo showed knurled fasteners being machined at around 12s per piece.

I THI?NK I HAVE ONE OF THOSE IN THE GARAGE, mine says vise grip on it. I could be wrong about the model.lol Nice machine

@johnfetner5443

3 жыл бұрын

know anyone who can make us some brass wood screws?

@laxisgood2

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnfetner5443 I know it's been a few months, but did you find someone to make your screws?