#CourtTV - What do YOU think? MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/tag/karen-and-michael-murray/?

@theoryofpersonality1420

3 күн бұрын

Please get new wait music.

@bamakat8531

3 күн бұрын

I hope y'all cover this whole trial I'm in TN and have never heard of this case

@AkitaLover1013

3 күн бұрын

48 years old and 43 years old? No excuses if they were neglecting her leaving her in feces and urine but just left her? Let their father work until he's 71? Either one heard of a job?

@caseyconatser7926

3 күн бұрын

​@@AkitaLover1013W🎉ho would hire them? They love the smell of urine and feces in all stages . Apparently they have seen no issues with mom eating food in the presence of it all either. It breaks my heart that she knew every thing going on .

@caseyconatser7926

3 күн бұрын

​@@bamakat8531Same here I too live in Tennessee and have never heard of this case. One would think it would be everywhere.

Those defendants do not even look normal.

@kimgale262

3 күн бұрын

They look a lot different in their mugshots.......mmmmmmmmmm, me thinks it's an act!!!

@u.synlig

3 күн бұрын

@@kimgale262 To me, they look the same -- just a few years older, and 'drugged up'.

@brendakabanda2181

3 күн бұрын

I thought I was seeing it. Something is definitely off.

@anthonymorris4211

3 күн бұрын

Something is up with the girl.. her eyelids are heavy

@nataliedigiovanni4863

3 күн бұрын

Lmfao 😂

So her husband allowed this abuse and neglect to happen to his wife OMG!

@kyerkyer110

2 күн бұрын

Like I said I think these two are inbreeds

@sabias3932

2 күн бұрын

I'm glad someone else noticed that her husband was there as well. Where is his responsibility? These defendants don't seem all there upstairs...

@tinkerlove5319

2 күн бұрын

Her grown up children seen not all their in the head I'm sorry

@jackkoba8053

2 күн бұрын

I came here to ask where is Edwin, he was her husband

@babs623

Күн бұрын

dead

They don’t look like they are wrapped too tight

@BlueSynth83

3 күн бұрын

Exactly. They don't look like they can even take care of themselves. They seem specially inclined.

@007jynx

3 күн бұрын

@@BlueSynth83 I can only imagine they were the kids left to fend for themselves, and the house was all they had. Dad seemed to be running things until he passed, and they adopted the same values.

@ROBINstrawBERRYwine

3 күн бұрын

Both of them appear to be mentally challenged,more so the son,possibly borderline autism

@sherrytaylor1794

3 күн бұрын

Thinking the same. Is their any mental illness with them? She looks like she's mumbling. Something not right.

@KimmieSue.

3 күн бұрын

My thoughts exactly. That strange blink she keeps doing and the brother looks incapable in so many ways. Where was the other sibling? I don't think these 2 are capable of knowingly neglecting her. Key word knowingly.

There’s no possible way that anyone thought these two were mentally competent to take care of their ailing mother let alone themselves…. I’m not trying to be mean, but they don’t seem to be all there 🤷🏽‍♀️

@Peaches.523

3 күн бұрын

Defense should, if they didn’t, have mental evaluations completed on the defendants. If incompetent they would have worked a deal for lesser charges.

@vm1ccc

3 күн бұрын

Absolutely

@kimkeller2983

3 күн бұрын

@@Peaches.523 I totally understand what you’re saying, but they just seem to be a little off, like something ain’t quite right. I mean the girl is over there talking to herself and I know that they’re adults, but the guy looks nowhere near 40🤦🏽‍♀️….it’s a very sad situation.

@kkw-pal1178

3 күн бұрын

Agreed. SMH.

@shopiahenderson9385

3 күн бұрын

This is so hard to watch and listen to am cna I care for the elderly just like I did for my own grandparents

They both look delayed.

@mzcorinnecole

3 күн бұрын

They look medicated

@sheznolady

3 күн бұрын

@@mzcorinnecole Good point!

@kkw-pal1178

3 күн бұрын

Agree or some mental health issues.

@melaniemifsud7448

3 күн бұрын

The daughter is 49! She gives off 10 yo vibes w them pigtails and stoic face

@9290SC

2 күн бұрын

That's still to be determined. They could be faking slow, surely.

Why is the order sister who has better judgment not charged? It must have been nice for her to just leave and wash her hands of the responsibility of her mother and leave it to the younger siblings. The older sister could have called APS & done a lot more for her mother as well.

@valju-ei8wr

4 сағат бұрын

Thank you .

@TheMsfelix85

Сағат бұрын

I agreed

Where was the other family members of this woman, and why weren't they checking on her??

@aaliyahnaval5991

2 күн бұрын

@@cm1642 exactly

@AngieMartine23

Күн бұрын

My thought exactly. She had another daughter outside the home. She had a husband and a medical team that did home visits. Everyone failed her.

@brownyedgrl

Күн бұрын

Where was the third child through all this? The mother’s sister, as well.

This is ridiculous. There is absolutely no excuse for this! They could’ve cleaned her, changed the sheets etc. they could’ve given her dignity. FFS

@Tweettwish

3 күн бұрын

She didn’t even have sheets. Not the level of care one would give to their animal much less a mother

@cjking4511

2 күн бұрын

@@Mrs.Bigapple I think the mother was wrong for entrapping her adult children to take care of her when all 3 should have been living in nursing homes. Those two defendants do not look qualified to take care of anyone. Something so simple as bathing someone is more difficult and requires lots of physical strength than you think when the person cannot walk and what is the point if the person fights with you when you try to bathe them and continues doing number 1s and 2s on themselves all day? That is why real nurses and medical assistants at nursing homes are better suited for the job.

@peacheswilliams4539

2 күн бұрын

That's only assuming they had the ability to take care of themselves. This STATE doesn't have a visiting nurse, home attendant or social worker who could have helped this family?

@tmcurly

Күн бұрын

Or ask for help. Reminds me of the girl that died under similar circumstances on the couch. She was stuck to the couch..

@lilypiscak3296

Күн бұрын

@@cjking4511But since the mom was nonverbal, it was the families’ responsibility to get help-speak to social workers and other agents to put home care in place. My mother and I had taken care of my brother for the last 5 years until his passing in May. He was also nonverbal, unable to walk and had a horrific cancer that was literally eating away his throat. We took 24/7 care of him because he had a tracheotomy, feeding tube, needing meds throughout the day…Even with home hospice care, nurse visits were limited. We could get a home attendant to come sit with him and bathe him, but they could not attend to his other necessary needs. Being a caregiver is beyond difficult, but your driving force is love. We did everything for him-all the doctors were amazed at how well cared for he was and that he never had bedsores-as soon as his skin looked irritated, we took action to prevent them. There were three family members that could have done the bare minimum of keeping their mother clean, and getting the proper care for her through government agencies that can connect you to the services. Yes, it requires research, it’s time consuming and frustrating, but you need to persevere until it gets done. Your family member deserves it!

“What are you supposed to do?” There’s something called soap, water, washcloth, towels.

@soliver198

3 күн бұрын

Right! The defense attorney is trying to say they didn't know how bad her condition was because she wasn't really verbal or showing signs of pain. So it didn't seem abnormal that the bone was sticking out at her ankle and the skin was dark. She was very light skinned in her pictures so that significant of a color change would have been obvious. I think the children have some sort of disability (not saying mentally incompetent) and the father was basically left to care for everyone while still working. Just awful! Sounds like both parents needed to be in a facility and the adult "children" needed some oversight by a social worker.

@anitamartini5144

3 күн бұрын

I want the prosecution to ask both of them why mom wasn’t cleaned up. If they were taking care of her they would have noticed the broken ankle. They were not helping Mom leaving her for days. This case is not about the poor kids who didn’t have medical training, this is about the offspring ignoring their Mom and also ask the defendants what poop and pee smells and looks like.

@bettyboop1568

2 күн бұрын

I bet they didn't neglect to spend her SSI or SSD check. Those aren't kids, they're Adults. Strange how animals are more protected, than humans in this country, truly sad!

@riseagain9677

2 күн бұрын

It’s so strange how we obligate people who didn’t ask to be born to clean their parents behind. They look like they don’t want to be alive. And I’m the primary caregiver to my mom and she has 4 kids! The irony..

My 80 year old mom was bed ridden for 4 years. We 3 daughters took care of her keeping her in our houses, taking turns, till she passed, making her as comfortable as we could, Cant listen to this..... 😱😱😱

@lori3310

15 сағат бұрын

I cant believe this. She was only 68. My momm was bedridden for at least4/5 years. Same as you we three daughters took care of her. She did not want to be in a nursing home. She passed at 80. I am in shock and tears over this. I will be 60 in August (God willing) This mom still had life to live.

@krystingrant6292

5 сағат бұрын

Yup I didnt play about my grands

@candicane1

Сағат бұрын

You and your sisters probably had the mental capacity and were cognitively able to help. These individuals look to have a mental deficit. Their mother should have never been left in their “care”. Had she been in another country where elder health care is a right and not a privilege, she would have had the care she deserved. In the US, it’s so hard to get help unless the family can either do it own their own (not everyone can do this); or unless the family is financially inclined to do so (not everyone is). These people were probably on the lower socio-economic scale with low IQs, so it was going to be an automatic fail for their mother by everyone.

It's so sad..when you can't even count on your own children to take care of you in your time of need.

@kareenwatson6084

3 күн бұрын

It is happening more regularly than you think. Sad

@theprncsschmst

3 күн бұрын

That’s why it’s important to have a backup plan. I’m not taking up for them (to be clear), but it’s not your children’s responsibility to take care of you in old age. Of course it’s great if they can and have the time to help, but if they choose not to, it’s not fair to hold it against them. Taking care of elderly parents can take a toll on whomever the caregiver is and stop their life. The defendants definitely should’ve found some other way to help (since they were around anyway) because the condition of her body was horrible.

@franmellor9843

3 күн бұрын

@@theprncsschmst it's YOUR duty let's be clear about that...& 'stop your life ' tells me everything I need to know about why it's happening more than you think it's totally self centred & selfish

@louisefleming3117

3 күн бұрын

@@franmellor9843 it's happening bcuz ppl don't care. Until it happens to them. And it's going to happen to us, all of us. We are going to get sick and die.

@sandy30236

3 күн бұрын

@@theprncsschmst I agree. And when you’re being forced to take care of a parent who you didn’t have a relationship with. It’s difficult to get assistance from the government. And if the parent doesn’t have the money to be placed in a home, the children are forced to take care of them.

These two don't look like they should be in charge of anyone. They look like they should be under care themselves. Horrible what that woman went through

@ircjesselee

3 күн бұрын

I agree. They seem like they aren't right.

@jediping

3 күн бұрын

Why, because they’re not white?

@jenniferfrazierlpc7171

3 күн бұрын

Truly

@kk-ff5ld

3 күн бұрын

I thought the same. They don't look right

@caseyconatser7926

3 күн бұрын

They knew enough to clean themselves up and eat and live off their elderly parents. These are grown adults. Right now I'm not buying that all 3 of her children shouldn't be charged not just the two. How convenient to live away from the horror out of sight out of mind

These aren’t kids! They’re adults!😢

@TheArrogantGoddess

2 күн бұрын

They're damn near senior citizens

@battlerudee

Күн бұрын

They look like they have the mind of children…maybe forced to take care of them, though they weren’t all together themselves

@goodpumpum656

2 сағат бұрын

Thank you! Why is everyone calling them kids !

@candicane1

Сағат бұрын

@@goodpumpum656Looking at them, I can automatically tell they have a mental deficit. They probably have the mental capacity of a child.

BS! Don’t take up for them, they didn’t even clean her if they needed help they should have reached out to other family members. They knew what they were doing. That poor lady! How sad!

@KimmieSue.

3 күн бұрын

How do you know they have family that could or would help? Why didn't the other sibling check on the mother? These 2 look like they need supportive care.

@jodiebranyon9951

3 күн бұрын

​@@KimmieSue.Why did they cancel her appointment with the nurse. Why didn't they tell the nurse they could not take care of her.

@celestewarren4595

2 күн бұрын

They don't even look like they cleaned themselves let alone cleaning up anyone else.

The sad thing IS. All it would take is ONE person with A heart to care for this poor woman..

These two are not kids they are adults so stop taking up for them.

@cathyspelker8756

3 күн бұрын

Her daughter is 49, not children

@KimmieSue.

3 күн бұрын

I see special needs, mental or developmental deficiencies written all over them. These aren't 2 capable adults.

@007jynx

3 күн бұрын

Age has nothing to do with what can be termed a disability, as middle sister was saying when stopped. She did say they were over their heads

@lornalewis9798

3 күн бұрын

Holy cow, I have the tv on, but muted. I thought they were teens! I felt sorry for them until I finally read about it!

@kimdavis3259

3 күн бұрын

Right!! They clearly are NOT children. Come on now! 🤨

I'm nurse and I have tears rolling down my face

@bubbly912

2 күн бұрын

V same,as a trainee nurse especially when the dr was going through all the wounds etc

@peacheswilliams4539

2 күн бұрын

As a Nurse you know the level of care this woman needed so expecting these people to take care of her was BEYOND their scope. Why wasn't she assigned a home care nurse for periodic visits?

What these two people let happen to their own mother is just INHUMANE. No one should ever die like that. RIP Shelia Murray 🙏 my ❤ hurts for you😢

@KimmieSue.

3 күн бұрын

Look at them. They don't seem capable of knowingly doing much of anything.

@littlepal3197

3 күн бұрын

@KimmieSue. If your mother was lying in recent and moldy feces, alongside fresh urine, old urine stains, even crystallized urine On a rubber mattress with no sheet. Would you know if she needed to be cleaned or not? Just basic care. Those two have no excuse, regardless of how they look. I also think their lawyers want them to look the way they do. This is a very disturbing case anyway you look at it. 😢

@bubbly912

2 күн бұрын

This poor woman should not be even dead..there is so much home help services and just basic personal care,feeding her and mobilising her

@cjking4511

2 күн бұрын

@@littlepal3197 Usually it is not just knowing whether or not someone needs bathed but realizing and being honest with yourself that you are NOT qualified for the job of caregiver. Bathing someone who is heavyset requires lots of physical strength and often that person will fight with you against being bathed out of fear you may drop them or fear derived from their legs not having full function. The sheets being gone could likely be the result of the mom going through all the existing sheets already. I think the mother was wrong for entrapping her adult children to be her caregivers instead of agreeing to go to a nursing home. If I suffered physical and mental problems as a senior i would want my children to put me in a nursing home I already picked out, i would sell my house beforehand so the nursing home cannot go after the house for unpaid bills after i pass, and divide the money and my cars (I always own 5 vehicles) equally between my kids. I would not want to be a burden on my children and i want them to focus on their families and careers and not use them as caregivers and social company

@sonjaanderson6933

Күн бұрын

@@bubbly912where were all these agencies and social workers, yes the children are somewhat to blame but the families and agencies should be on trial. These two children (adults) are not and did not had any right to care for this lady. This country need free healthcare. This is what happens when you are poor.They are blaming the children but i think the government agencies and the hospital she was discharged from are just as responsible.

Why didn't her husband contact authorities.. he died 3 months after her so had seen her decline in care. These two look mentally unwell and shouldnt of been left in charge of a hamster let alone a elderly unwell lady. Poor woman.

@rojamillerover

18 сағат бұрын

Was he not bed ridden too maybe

@PassportBrosAndBlondeManWeaves

3 сағат бұрын

@@rojamilleroverhe opened the door

@PassportBrosAndBlondeManWeaves

3 сағат бұрын

Exactly

This is a really sad case… her children don’t seem fully competent. I feel the responsibility should have fallen on the husband as well as adult protective services.

@burglar42

3 күн бұрын

he died 3 months after the mother!!!

@kkw-pal1178

3 күн бұрын

Yeah, this is sad all the way around. The daughter and son aren't well.

@MsBenitaButrell

2 күн бұрын

@@burglar42 What’s your point? He died AFTER, not before her so he could have been responsible for her conditions, legally, as her husband he was “next of kin” therefore he would be responsible for her… right??? “in sickness and in health” (or whatever those vows say)😅

@BookMama72

2 күн бұрын

They had to pass competency evaluations to go to trial.

@beautifuldisaster139

Күн бұрын

they’re medicated,at least the female is or she’s just drugged out u can get almost any drug in prison so it’s either drugs or medicated

My heart goes out to Sheila Murray. Her last few months must have been horrible. Those two children of hers are adults and need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

@carlathomas5807

2 күн бұрын

Clearly…..both “adult” children on are the spectrum, look at them. The STATE failed Sheila Murray and like the observer said “This would NEVER happen in Europe”

@peacheswilliams4539

2 күн бұрын

Who's to say they were capable of taking care of her? Obviously they weren't. Didn't she have a nurse come from time to time to check on the mother?

@song8777

Күн бұрын

If they had a good relationship all along, she might feel differently and more forgiving.

@ricardometalhands

Күн бұрын

Yea Shelia said herself there were times before she couldn’t go in there because of the smell.

@ricardometalhands

Күн бұрын

Those kids are definitely handicapped. We are about to see some disabled kids go to jail for something the state care workers should have caught along time ago. Like the bone sticking out of the mom’s ankle, thst turned black from exposure.

It doesn’t take much to know that daily cleaning is important. Seems like no one including the father took any steps to get proper care for Mrs. Murray. He was alive when she was taken to the hospital. I see no excuses. Former military, police officer should have known the condition his wife was in.

Oh my this is so horrible and a cruel way to die! Like some have mentioned, these are NOT children, but adults that were supposed to be taking care of their mom! I had to take care of my parents and I made sure they were taken care of before anything else! It is so heartbreaking that Sheila Murray was aware of what was happening to her and had to be in extreme pain! R.I.P. Sheila!! No one deserves so much paid and neglect! These adult children could have at least kept her CLEAN and called for help! No excuse at all for total neglect! It was told during opening statements that Sheila kept falling out of the bed, but it was also stated previously that she had a hospital bed. A hospital bed has rails! There is NO excuse to let her lay in filth!

@Jan88755

3 күн бұрын

She had a hospital bed so she couldn’t have fallen out of it

@paris6378

3 күн бұрын

I totally agree, but I do not want to judge no one . That's only for God.

To think , even with a life sentence, these two defendants will still receive better care than that of their mother .

I don't know if those two kids are the only ones to blame. They barely look like they can do for themselves...let alone take care of someone else. The other sister failed her, the state failed her as well! RIP Mrs. Murray!

@BookMama72

2 күн бұрын

Those “kids” are in their 40s. They took good care of themselves, on their parents’ dime.

@rnshawn1925

2 күн бұрын

​@AdventureLifeMama they don't look well put together either.

@jjsmama401

Күн бұрын

Yeah but that could be their defense strategy.

@BookMama72

2 сағат бұрын

@@rnshawn1925 looks like an act to me.

@GemVitale

Сағат бұрын

ADULTS

That poor lady suffered & they knew it.

They’re a pretty rough looking pair.

@christine6205

3 күн бұрын

Can't even take care of themselves they look blown out from drugs or idk

@user-lf9uo2de4z

3 күн бұрын

😁😩🫢😕

@missp1030

Күн бұрын

😂😂😂😅😅u had no business making me laugh this hard!!!!! Sad situation though😢

@bernicelatrice615

5 сағат бұрын

Umm mmm 😂😂😂

@user-lf9uo2de4z

5 сағат бұрын

@@missp1030 looks like something off soft underbelly channel lol 😆🤣😩😕

Those kids don't look all there. Especially the girl. And what's up with their skin? It seems like they were not caring for their mother but they don't look like they were caring for themselves either

There are No Words that would ever convince me that these children were empathetic to their mothers' needs. Shameful.

@KimmieSue.

3 күн бұрын

Not even if they're mentally or developmentally disabled? Do they look "normal" to you? Adult services should've provided assistance.

@Pagewithpurpose

3 күн бұрын

​@@KimmieSue.They definitely don't look normal. Especially the girl

@January.

3 күн бұрын

*mother's

They need to be sentenced life no parole

@kimdavis3259

3 күн бұрын

AGREED!!!

@cjking4511

2 күн бұрын

Their case just started though. The jury has to hear all of the evidence. Seems like the mother AND the adult children needed to all be put in assisted care facilities.

Those two look like something out of a horror movie 😳🥴😬

@jautumnstar

2 күн бұрын

Yes!!! 36:52 her eye keeps blinking while the other remains straight … its scary

@lilpaulettenthegang7869

Күн бұрын

😂😂

@dgrei320

6 минут бұрын

RIGHT?! Jordan Peele is gonna have some new material to work with!🤣

What about the husband afraid of losing the house? He should be the most responsible. He has a motive. He might of told the kids if she goes to nursing home you will be homeless they were afraid to turn her over. Sad

@BookMama72

2 күн бұрын

He died. Duh

@misstbull

Күн бұрын

​@@BookMama72BEFORE HE DIED IDIOT!!!! THE HUSBAND IS ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF HER FOR REAL FOR REAL!!! AND AS HER KIDS FOR THEM TO LET THAT HAPPEN TO HER THEY WRONG FOR NOT SAVIN HER!!

There is a big difference between being overwhelmed with care and completely neglecting to care for someone. These people were inhumane. It doesn’t take finances to keep someone from sitting in feces.

@chowder_1148

2 күн бұрын

That's right...there were 2 of them to care for 1 and they still failed.

What about the other children/sister? How is there no money or health insurance if this man served his county for 30 plus years?..USA needs to sort this out!

@babs623

Күн бұрын

Only 10 years in military

@Stor506

Күн бұрын

@@babs623 I thought the procecutor mentioned him being a police officer...may have got the time served incorrect, my mistake

@lilpaulettenthegang7869

Күн бұрын

Yup retired police officer

@patriciaoconnell488

21 сағат бұрын

The sister on the stand said her Mom was BIG, bow big was she that her adult children could not turn her in bed to clean her up?

R.I.P. Sheila 🙏💐

This is so sad... how could they not know she needed to be clean, changed and cared for?? That is neglect!!

@vm1ccc

3 күн бұрын

Do you see them??

@rnshawn1925

2 күн бұрын

​@@vm1ccc😂😂😂😂

They both look unkempt so I couldn’t imagine them being anyone’s caretakers

@marilynwhite6286

2 күн бұрын

And the sister witness said their home they grew up in was always un-kept...so living in the mess was normal for them...just sad 😢

@jansmith8048

2 күн бұрын

@@marilynwhite6286 just shameful

They don’t look like they’re normal….both kids look creepy

@laurajercha9587

2 күн бұрын

Not kids they are in their 40s

@danababy1977

2 күн бұрын

Facts

Everyone failed that poor woman, ESPECIALLY the oldest daughter!! That house didn't get that way overnight! Social services had been there! Friends and former co-workers new what was going on!! FAILED BY EVERYONE!! 🤢🤢🤢🤢

There's some mental illness going on here. The family had to see they were not able to take care of her. Some family member should have at least check in on how she was before it got this point. They need to go to a hospital. I feel they were not capable to care for her.

@kkw-pal1178

3 күн бұрын

Agreed. Right off, I see something is off with them.

@Freedomrings4433

3 күн бұрын

I agree!

@Karaunicorn

3 күн бұрын

I agree 😢

@bubbly912

2 күн бұрын

There is such a thing of home help like comfort keepers

@Karaunicorn

2 күн бұрын

@@bubbly912 why weren't they guided towards it! They should have received better help in my opinion. Terrible what happened to their mom. Absolutely! Just feel they were sadly ill-equipped 😥 😔

Heartbreaking 💔 Rest in Paradise Sheila Murray. 😔

I have been an RN for 14 years, you DO NOT need a dime for patients to go into state run nursing homes... and most are state run. The reason they refused to put her in a nursing home was because by doing so they would lose access to her SS money because that would go to the nursing home directly, Medicaid and Medicare pays for all other expenses. That's how the system works.

@hermandaburnettandChoppa1998

22 сағат бұрын

Wys X's10

This is the first time I heard of this family. Reminds me of the mother and son who neglected their son n brother.

@miaknig3130

3 күн бұрын

Agreed Vandertrash or whatever their name was.

@nikkijayne4451

3 күн бұрын

Paul and shandra vander ark .​@@miaknig3130

@K9_Queen19

3 күн бұрын

Did you watch that trial? Poor Timothy.

@dandylion9998

3 күн бұрын

That wasn’t just neglect; that was abuse.

@babyofmyfamily

3 күн бұрын

Me too, I have never heard of these EVIL MISFITS and this poor mother 😢. To Google I'm headed after this video!!!

Firstname lastname is correct. This brings much needed support to end Elder Abuse! All elders deserve compassion and dignity and not to be abused!

I have worked w/ elderly people some long term home care & some Hospise rest-bit care . Hearing this brought me to tears . I could never watch anyone of the people I cared for be in pain I always took care of my clients like I would my own parents . This case is horrific . 😰😰

Blame everybody? What knowledge do you need to wash a face, wipe eyes, change a diaper and or give a sponge bath? Medical care is one thing, her being left filthy is another. At over 40 years old I have questions.

@MCM1965

3 күн бұрын

EXACTLY!!!

@kkw-pal1178

3 күн бұрын

They don't look kept. Something is not right here.

I seen her other daughter testify but I feel that she also is guilty of the neglect of her mother when she fail to report the abuse of her mom ...just heartbreaking 😢

@dorothyabdul9657

3 күн бұрын

Absolutely!….💯✅

@robinb.4699

Күн бұрын

I agree!

@tenacious1

Күн бұрын

She had to smell it.

They look like the movie “ The Hill has eyes”. Feel sorry for the EMS and other services. 😮

@miaknig3130

3 күн бұрын

I was thinking the same, I can't imagine all the things that they have to see.

@nikkijayne4451

3 күн бұрын

Most of TN Is like the hills have eyes..

@user-py6jj4qd8o

3 күн бұрын

​@@nikkijayne4451ppppffffhhhgh 🤣

@Positiveenergy68

3 күн бұрын

@@nikkijayne4451Apparently you have never been to Nashville. I've never seen so many beautiful people in one place.

Help is available for elderly people who wish to stay in their homes. I had extra help for 7 yrs to allow my Uncle to stay at home and be cared for. He passed there and was happy right up to the end as I held his hand.

@tashiaredd3421

3 күн бұрын

Clearly you know about those resources and had the means to do so. Honestly, do these 2 look like they have the knowledge and or resources?

@normacolon9618

3 күн бұрын

45:10 45:17 what kind of services she had, how much was the incone and what kind of medicare she had. My medicare doesnt pay form care for being very sick in hosoutak ir at home. So can u explain. !!!!????

@user-pl3yo9cq5o

3 күн бұрын

The help needs to advertise better.

@mochafleur1458

2 күн бұрын

Some family members rather be their “caretaker” and just take the money . While not providing any care! Working in a hospital I have seen and heard it! My heart broke for one lady and the state she was it! The hospital care coordinator released the lady back to the family care 😔💔

@rojamillerover

18 сағат бұрын

My thoughts exactly, why didn’t they get help from caregivers

This is TRAGIC,,, but you can see and especially the young man , that he’s mentally ill! Awful awful what’s happened to the mother,,, but her children obviously have mental issues,, and could not cope,, also I wonder if the mother put in LITTLE effort to socialise and teach these kids about how to be clean and look after themselves 🤔🤔 SOMETHING HAS GONE REALLY WRONG WITH THEIR UPBRINGING……. Plus obviously they didn’t get appropriate help from authorities…Sad situation all round ugh 🤦🏽‍♀️

They s is horrible, you don't need to be a medical professional to notice that your Mother is rotting away !

The lady that4 yes; for having a stroke and becoming immobile and non-verbal.... ridiculous who doesn't know that a person defecates and urinates and needs to have their diaper changed??? 😮😮😮😮

@3kidT

3 күн бұрын

exactly, no excuse. they are guilty of neglect and murder imho

Now after watching the other sisters testimony she didn't care much about her mom. She never changed her or helped care for her. This poor lady

This breaks my heart. Knowing she knew how little her kids cared about her is horrific.

@KerriMoore-lo1yt

Күн бұрын

It breaks my heart to know that the condition she was in and the physical pain she endured, not to mention the mental and emotional pain. To just be neglected like that! She is no longer suffering!

“ can’t afford to put her in a nursing home.” I call BS. These kids lived under a paid roof and collected her benefits. sICKENING!

@dandylion9998

3 күн бұрын

There are loopholes too in getting Medicaid as a supplement to social security or disability. Even if you have assets, there’s ways.

@BookMama72

2 күн бұрын

These “kids” are in their 40s

How did I miss this case? Wow I will have to look this up to get more information.

@Katlinaza

3 күн бұрын

Me 2. I never heard of it. So tragic. Im about to google myself 😢

@user-pl3yo9cq5o

3 күн бұрын

@@Katlinaza it just started.

@ystress2421cfgtr

3 күн бұрын

How can we see all of the trial

@MzSunshine4u

2 күн бұрын

@@ystress2421cfgtrit aires live on Court TV just put their names in, and type in trial or live trial Sunshine 🌞 . It should populate. I hope this answer is correct!

no BS they neglected her and prob used her SS check BS

@bonnieboaz1085

3 күн бұрын

My daughter has been abusing me since 2013.

@yacbdgurrll5566

2 күн бұрын

Yes

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR KID'S NOT TO MAKE SURE MOM IS TAKEN CARE OF!¡! NO EXCUSE!¡!

For the love of God can this prosecutor be any slower

@britt383348

3 күн бұрын

Yeah, I had to speed up the video to get to a normal speaking rate

@azhaircountess9798

3 күн бұрын

Yes She seems to have difficulty publicly speaking. As a prosecutor she should be able to deliver an opening statement cmon lady get it together.

@rojamillerover

18 сағат бұрын

Honestly l thought l was the only one, there is absolutely no reason why she couldn’t speed up the way she talks at all 😂😂

Her kids are like children themselves. Who thought it was ok to leave the responsibility to care for her to them? Where was the husband, and WHY isn't he in trouble????

@kkw-pal1178

3 күн бұрын

Someone said he passed 3 months after she did.

@sabias3932

2 күн бұрын

He was a former police officer. He was never going to be held accountable.

@BookMama72

2 күн бұрын

They’re drug addicted. Not mentally challenged.

@ryneldcurtis112

21 сағат бұрын

He died. Unfortunate, because his testimony would’ve been valuable. He probably would’ve been on trial too.

@cm1642

20 сағат бұрын

@@ryneldcurtis112 By all accounts he is responsible for all of this. It isn't right to shift the blame to two people who are cognitively impaired. Anyone can see there is something wrong with them. You don't need to be a doctor or have any training to see it! Shame on the DA and the judge for allowing this to proceed!

“For the integrity of the investigation” - Sounds like MA can learn a thing or two from TN 🙄

@de2296

3 күн бұрын

Lolol you aint lying.... free Karen Reed

@Karaunicorn

3 күн бұрын

I also thought of the Karen Reed case as soon as she said that.

They both look slow .

Just when you think you’ve seen it all 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

@RobynJ729

3 күн бұрын

💯💯😞

Edwin/Tony was a retiree from military AND police force? and he had a job and still didnt have any resources to help his wife? did he just NOT apply? I don't understand this family. Plus, how much do you need to know about when she is not even being changed and there is crusted human waste etc. I dare say I think this was intentional

@jillelane659

3 күн бұрын

I was wondering where was Thier nurse aide?

Prosecutor: *Mold had BEGUN...

@RobynJ729

3 күн бұрын

😩😫

They could have called 911 and tell them u can't take care of her PERIOD!!!

@brendakabanda2181

3 күн бұрын

Now, this is what I don't get. Why not ask for help if you can't take care of her.

@sabias3932

2 күн бұрын

That wouldn't do anything. There is police bodycam footage here on KZread of an elderly man who is threatening to kill his wife because he can't handle being her caretaker anymore. The police just laugh and tell them to get along. The bedridden wife begs the officers not to leave because he has threatened to kill her. They brush her off and leave anyway. Later on that day, he kills her.

As some are saying, this brother and sister do not look at all “normal”. Makes me wonder how they were raised. They don’t look like they clean themselves. No excuse for murder, but I do wonder how they grew up.

@kkw-pal1178

3 күн бұрын

Bingo.

@yacbdgurrll5566

2 күн бұрын

I asked the same question.! N they had a sister that wasn't, living there

The family Structure is non- functioning, no respect for Humanity !

It doesn't cost anything to be clean it looks like they were just plain lazy

@tamimoncrief2264

3 күн бұрын

Yes, left feces around long enough for mold to appear on it. Ugghhh

Why did it take two years to arrest them?

@amandataylor5334

3 күн бұрын

Im sure theyve been in jail awaiting trial.

OMG😢. I am a caregiver for my 98 year old mother. I can not watch this. I didn't even make it through the opening statament. Broke my heart in under 3 minutes😢

I just read that Michael Murray is 40 years old and Karen Murray is 45. They look so much younger. Especially Michael. He looks like a teenager.

@tenacious1

Күн бұрын

I was surprised by their ages too. Even their other sister. Very youthful looking family.

Please tell me I am not the only person who feels like the kids just didn’t know better. I know that sounds horrible but why was this poor woman sent home from the nursing home to a family who CLEARLY has issues? We need a better safety net for the most helpless of our brothers & sisters.

These individuals should not be on trial. The state is just as responsible = a visit every three months?

@LocustIvy

3 күн бұрын

Replying to myself to add…..where was the rest of the family during this time? Why aren’t they being held accountable?

@TinaMarieBrumfield

3 күн бұрын

And Where was the husband through all this?

I think the charges are to harsh, however they should be charged with something. the providers should be charged too. There is No Way they (her children) didn't know the condition of there mother. How often was her caregiver coming that her children couldn't keep her from loosing her eye, washing her face and keeping it clean and dry daily, all parts of her upper body. Just because someone doesn't speak, surely if she's eating she's needs to be checked for the toilet DAILY SMH 😔.

I don't think they knew what they were doing and the care was too much for them. They look like children. Being poor and maybe lack of education may have contributed to the neglect of their mother. (unpopular opinion, I'm sure). Some people really live like this, so I am not too surprised.

@jeanettesmith765

3 күн бұрын

There is no excuse for this abuse.

@kkw-pal1178

3 күн бұрын

Who knows how they were raised too?

@Cjamison13

3 күн бұрын

They are 40 & 49

@yacbdgurrll5566

2 күн бұрын

The excuse was they were NEVER capable of taking care of this woman! This is so sad

Uh, they look like the hills have eyes people. And that sounds like a hills have eyes situation.

What immediately jumped out at me is that both brother and sister look very, very high. They both keep almost nodding off.

@krissiehouse

3 күн бұрын

They’re likely medicated. Seemingly, there’s a mental imbalance of some sort between the two. All around sad story 😥

@cherylsalisbury3287

3 күн бұрын

Yes they do look high, and why was a 71 yr old man supporting his 40+ children and he is still having to work. I bet if they have k😅da they would know how to work the system to get funds from the state. How would a policeman not know how to find resources for his wife, to ask for a social worker to help did what he needed. I don’t understand and call BS. And her attorney just keeps on the same line, they didn’t know, best they could.

@gracietilert8952

3 күн бұрын

They totally don’t look normal that is for certain.

@Cha-da-ska-dum

3 күн бұрын

Imbalanced 49yr old kiddie hairdo her brother with the Afro. Edward Murray passed Way 3 months after their mother untimely death by her grown folk children. Aug 10 2019 laying in bed never being changed not once and after 6 pm they saw the bone of her ankle sticking out at 8:36 ems arrives sad sad sad how these grown folk adults rarely took care of their mother who no doubt raised them gave them both the best life she saw possible for her kids. She worked hard each and everyday cooked for them fed them meals got them off to school making sure her kids had an education and never went without. Yet these ungrateful adult children of hers didn’t give 2 💩’s about their mom’s health. Shake my head Trust and believe I had a talking with my grown adult kids to not treat me evil when it’s their time to take care of me If and when I reach old age! ❤ Rest forever in paradise Shelia Murray ❤

@vickivallencourt9068

3 күн бұрын

They don't come across high at all to me. Do you know the process from going to jail to court? It's very exhausting and stressful. Shouldn't jump to conclusions and assume it's drugs. Like, they couldn't be tired? And then sitting there for hours.. you get sleepy! Lol

I have watched carefully, the sister who took the stand was very favorable. It seemed there was a need that overwhelmed the dad about keeping the family home despite the need for nursing home care, and I sense the same with both children. This in my estimation, as the sister said "they were in over their heads", as I can see that from their faces, they seem not to have a reaction accept for the nodding of the head. My heart bleeds for both adults in this trial, and more than likely either was equipped to care for the needs of a bedridden parent, in that father had passed. Personally I did not know u had to give up your home to pay for care. I thought insurance would have taken care of the bulk of the cost along with insurance, I have been educated today on a lot of things.

@gradyrogers6707

3 күн бұрын

yes. nursing homes get many homes

@LocustIvy

3 күн бұрын

Not trying to start a debate, but I didn’t hear this sister’s testimony. Where was she during this period of time?

@yonikki

3 күн бұрын

Not every state - not here in Florida ... that Medicaid requirement varies from state to state. Home health care is super duper expensive ... but it shouldn't be the taxpayers obligation. Family should take care of family. Well, that's how I was raised.

@user-se1ev7my6f

3 күн бұрын

@007jynx Dad died 3 months AFTER mom died

@de2296

3 күн бұрын

Yes same in MA

Murder -No Neglect-Yes

@tenacious1

Күн бұрын

I think so too. The other daughter says the house was nasty. So they weren't cleaning anything...let alone their Mom. They were lazy, trifling and gross.

@tenacious1

Күн бұрын

I agree. The house sound like it was nasty and gross. They didn't clean her nor the house. But I don't believe it was murder.

I can't believe all the note-taking Karen is doing she should have been doing note-taking when her mom was on the filthy bed sheets they knew what they were doing which was absolutely nothing to help her mom

@Tweettwish

3 күн бұрын

She didn’t even have sheets

@nickmandella804

3 күн бұрын

So gross 🤢 ​@@Tweettwish

These two are awful, this lawyer for the daughter should be ashamed for defending this horrible person , they could have called an ambulance and taken her to any hospital

He was 40 years old. She was 45 years old. Old enough to call 911 and get their mother care. No excuses for them to neglect her like that.

Someone doesn’t have to communicate that their hurting with a bone is sticking out of the skin. COMMON SENSE!!!!!!! Total case a neglect and murder.

it would be nice to tell us this isn't actually live. Just saying... This case though sounds absolutely horrific.

My mother is disabled & 67 & i could NEVER imagine ever neglecting her. I took care of my disabled grandmother for atleast 10yrs before she recently passed & also take care of my mom. I even plan on moving into a bigger hm next year so i can provide her a room of her own & have her live with me my husband &son. I pray these monsters are put under the jail, they don't even deserve to breathe. Sad as it is, I'm thankful she went to the Lord &is out of pain & away from these animals. My heart breaks from this. 😢

Her only blinking one eye tells me everything i need to know.

Sister knew!! and did NOTHING! She’s clearly the only fully functioning member of her immediate family and she did nothing. She could have at least called adult services and got help for her siblings and mother.

Wow wtf

Before my Mommy passed. Her bestfriend since 5 years old and I were fortunate to care for her. My Mommy was 64, her friend, 66, me, 26. We cared for her from sun up to sun down. I didn't have any experience for caring for someone who is dying. Especially my Mommy, that I was very close to. It was heartbreaking. But I did it. I'm so thankful for her friend for being there for us. And Mommy was so grateful. How can these grown ssa ADULTS see their mother suffer this way??? I feel so sad for the mother.

@rojamillerover

18 сағат бұрын

What your mom’s friend did is beyond friendship, that’s family. She’s your aunt now and never lose contact

Wow! Incredibly difficult to hear those details 😳😫😞

Absolutely heartbreaking😢

They absolutely don't look like they were in their right mind to care for anyone! I just wonder who authorized these two to care for another human being! So sad!😢

I took care of my mother for 10 years. The 1 time she had to be hospitalized, for something outta my control. The doctors and nurses was so impressed with the way my mom's skinned looked, for someone who was total care. Nurses and doctors came in and was just shocked that I took care of her so well. At this time, it was 8 years in. She never had a bedsore ever. The same way my mama took care of me, was the same way I took care of her when she could no longer take care of herself. This case makes me ill. How could any decent human do this to anyone? Where were the other family members? How could the father allow this? Why didn't he call for help? Something deeply wrong with these people.

The State Dept will do anything but hold the right ppl accountable! Those kids could no way do what a nurse does. Sad.

@itzflowers4me

Күн бұрын

Yep, I agree. They seem to be the scapegoats here.

Reminds me of another case of a family leaving their daughter on a couch... for years

@dorothyabdul9657

3 күн бұрын

Yea!…she melted to the couch.

First of all RIP Sheila, i know you free from pain and these evil treatment of your own kids. You know how hurtful it is for a mother to know her kids is treating her like that!!! They know she gave them unconditional love since they were born , how can they even do this !!!! Let them rot !!! In prison!!!!!

How did social services not catch this neglect?

There's no way an elderly mother should be treated that way by her own kids. Elderly abuse at it's worst.