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@pipercharms7374

3 жыл бұрын

I thought I had posted two links of clips of my fav comedy british shows. But doesn'y seem to have saved, so here they are, first is My Family kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYqaj7iYoZuxmrQ.html Second is outnumbered :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZYiru5uJkZS6mLA.html The kids improvise their lines.

@stuartfitch7093

3 жыл бұрын

Modern British sitcoms have gone right downhill. To see the best UK sitcoms upu need to watch older ones. Only fools and horses was the last real good sitcoms to be made here in the UK. I recommend you look at some of our older ones.

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

@@pipercharms7374 Thank you for the recommendations!!

@markhackett2302

3 жыл бұрын

Two UK series to watch that might be worth it for more subtle sincerity would be Jeckyll (with James Nesbit) and Coupling. The latter you can compare with the US version that failed badly. IMO because it had to rush through everything, but the comedy and the characters being played needed time to breathe. More ad time will do that to a show.

@hadrianbuiltawall9531

3 жыл бұрын

The US does (or did) have a pub culture comedy with "Cheers". British comedy has devolved greatly from the old days. When you grow up with "the Two Ronnies, Morcombe and Wise, Monty Python, etc." and you see the present generation, you get a little depressed.

The main message of British TV is to not take yourself too seriously and to laugh about life when things do go wrong.

@ayeready6050

3 жыл бұрын

@Michelle Lyons Never heard of that show.

@stevetheduck1425

3 жыл бұрын

@@ayeready6050 It's about how the then-impending nuclear war would play out; panic, death, too few survivors, attempts at control fail due to unrealistic planning, collapse of society, more death due to starvation, a return to rule by brutal repression, children born deformed or dead. Deadly serious, realistic, and therefore banned by the British Government for nearly 30 years.

@shaughangould2647

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps US TV sitcoms are too fluffy. Happy endings that rarely happen in real life

American TV is also written by a multitude of writers whereas UK shows usually have one or two.

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

Good point!

@Kay-vf8wu

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens anytime!

@izziebon

3 жыл бұрын

Mostly by Richard Curtis!

@Kay-vf8wu

3 жыл бұрын

@@izziebon he doesn't do anywhere near as much TV as some people. He's who you turn to for a "what everyone thinks the UK is like but it really isn't" film 😂

@vaudevillian7

3 жыл бұрын

@@izziebon Blackadder, Vicar of Dibley, Not the Nine O’Clock News and Mr Bean certainly

Genuine touching moment in a comedy - the end of Blackadder Goes Forth.

@petermirtitsch1235

3 жыл бұрын

That's the problem with USAican comedies, etc. A "genuine moment" that often kind of detracts from how "genuine" it really is. "Blackadder Goes Forth" had a stunning ending, fully intending to send a less subtle message than had comedically been presented through the series.

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

Havent got that far into the series yet! Looking forward to it

@Natilra

3 жыл бұрын

But, heck, is that dark! I think one of the differences is that, in British TV, if you have an emotionally satisfying moment you can't then talk about that subject again. It draws a line under it. But I don't watch much comedy, so that may be wrong.

@grahvis

3 жыл бұрын

The last episode of 'One Foot in the Grave' where Victor is killed in a hit and run and we are left wondering if Margaret did actually murder the the driver in order to get her revenge.

@sammygirl5835

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens You also need to get into Upstart Crow, starring David Mitchell; when you get to the last episode, bring tissues.

American tv is known to always have ‘pretty’ people instead of normal everyday people like the UK

@greendragonpublishing

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! I have noted this many times. UK shows have real-looking people.

@paulnoble2562

3 жыл бұрын

Because we have rules about that subject

@charliehelyes

3 жыл бұрын

Yes even on the news when they call an expert to talk on a subject in the UK it will often be a (average/ugly looking scientist who knows their stuff) whilst in the US it will be a someone young with a gleaming perfect smile who barely knows what they are talking about.

@justanotherviewer4821

2 жыл бұрын

330M people only 200 actors... lol

US sitcoms just seem really fake and un-natural and jokes are just never funny, theyre cringy and added fking laughter tracks and cheer and clap at everything

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, we hate the laugh tracks too (Friends is the worst example). But quite a few UK series have laugh tracks too!

@markhackett2302

3 жыл бұрын

US sitcoms have more writers, need to have broader appeal to get on cable, need to get on cable to be successful, and they have to have more, longer and more frequent ad breaks otherwise they will be inserted anyway, because the cable is paying to sell ad space, not your show.

@bodsnvimto

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens That was by far the worst thing about the otherwise great various Alan Partridge sitcoms. Even by the standard of regular laugh tracks, the "audience" reaction to even the weaker gags was way over the top. Over here MASH never had a laugh track but I was surprised to discover that it did over there.

@vaudevillian7

3 жыл бұрын

@@bodsnvimto it is a genuine studio audience

@bodsnvimto

3 жыл бұрын

@@vaudevillian7 It being? If you are referring to MASH then I don't know why it'd be removed over here. If you mean the various Partridge programmes then I can only presume a spot of fiddling was done amongst the production staff, sticking the bigger laughs they got in more than just the gags they were howling at. And yes, this has been known to happen, I'm not saying in these specific cases but in general.

The inbetweeners was EXACTLY what it was like growing up in early 2000s for most British people 😂

@jimmyboynottknown7713

3 жыл бұрын

Now its just social media brigade pussyfied generation copying america by being offended by every and anything

@flybobbie1449

3 жыл бұрын

Just like the 70's nothings new.

@stretfordender11

3 жыл бұрын

Until about 2013. I reckon it was twitter that changed growing up for good and now the permanently offended have a place to shout the loudest.

@SpiceGhouls

3 жыл бұрын

Inbetweeners is basically the more realistic British version of American Pie

@RichardASK

3 жыл бұрын

And to an extent the 1960s. Each one of the Inbetweeners would match up to people, in my group of mates. We did manage to get our leg over, just a little more than them though, honest, honest!

I find British show tend to have more everyday looking actors, that is more relatable. While US shows will try to glam it up. Example Friends all attractive living in apartments they would not normally be able to afford.

@greendragonpublishing

3 жыл бұрын

As opposed to Coupling, where they have reasonably sized London flats :) At least, Jane and Susan do. I can't recall Sally's offhand. Patrick's flat is largish, as is Jeff's.

@pickleefizzle9447

3 жыл бұрын

Ye like miranda very down to earth but hilarious

@pickleefizzle9447

3 жыл бұрын

and gavin and stacie

@SpiceGhouls

3 жыл бұрын

Watch Superstore on Netflix if you want to see American characters who look more real

@MRAAng-on2jg

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah we tend to go for realism here lol

We generally don't do messages or morals in comedies. You want a moral, watch Songs of Praise.

@jmurray1110

3 жыл бұрын

And even then they skip a load of the actual teachings

@CoffeeOn

3 жыл бұрын

Fax

@adamev

3 жыл бұрын

......or the news. Oh wait. 🤔

You have to admit, catastrophic endings are much more realistic than perfect ones.

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

True 😂😂

@mickbanner

3 жыл бұрын

Every human's story ends in death

@colinp2238

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the Americans are suffering from Waltonisms? Good night.

@LongdownConker

3 жыл бұрын

@@mickbanner that's a bit morbid lol 😂

@polkadot8788

3 жыл бұрын

If you want catastrophic comedy endings there's the Brittas Empire. The leisure centre gets destroyed on a regular basis.

From a UK perspective, I couldn't get into most US sitcoms because of the general hopefulness in it. It just felt a little fake to me, whereas UK humour tended to be a little more grounded. Probably why my favourite US sitcom is Malcom in the Middle, that show's brilliant. :p

@matthewbishop8395

3 жыл бұрын

Curb is more your cup of tea if you havnt seen it

@matthewbishop8395

3 жыл бұрын

Curb is more your cup of tea if you havnt seen it

@michaeldonohue8563

3 жыл бұрын

Middle as well and raising hope(from a Brit)

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

That makes sense!

@MonkeyButtMovies1

3 жыл бұрын

One of my favourite American comedies is Reno 911, it rarely ends on a high note much like British comedies.

american comedies can be sickly sweet and wholesome, wheras british can be very ireverent and not end happliy, as we like it to be realsitic

The British love puns: Did you know the actor Yul Brynner was a lifelong Liverpool fan and never wore aftershave? That's right, Yul never wore cologne. Check out what song the Liverpool fans sing.

@andyonions7864

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant.

@MH-hy9su

3 жыл бұрын

It took me a minute! 🤣

@SpiceGhouls

3 жыл бұрын

Omg 🤣

@WifeMamaArtist

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@RichardWells1

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

I think British tv really likes to lean into what is uniquely British as A LOT of content we watch IS American. So what we make feels the need exhibit the dry, colloquial, idiosyncratic Britishness

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good point!!

@colinp2238

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens Do you think it points out how far apart the Staes has gone from their British roots? The comedy show Red Dwarf still is huge in the UK but the American remake failed badly because some humour doesn't travel well.

@michaeljoyce9161

3 жыл бұрын

Money, money, money! US TV shows were screened by the bucketful in the 50s and 60s because it was cheaper to buy the US shows than to make domestic content. Same language, so a no brainer. Hence I watched a lot of "I love Lucy" and a bit of " Dixon of Dock Green" which was locally produced.

@jillhobson6128

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens Why did you concentrate on sitcoms and adult programmes? What about soap operas, current affairs, news programmes, documentaries etc.

@emmaseager1006

3 жыл бұрын

There hardly American shows that are real and gritty doesn’t portray working class people in a good light sometimes

Brits like laughing AT people and we’re mostly ok with being laughed AT rather than WITH. We also like an ending where we see our life isn’t as bad as someone else’s 😂

@RedDevil_Joe

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

Good point!! Brits really know how to give and take a joke :D

@colinp2238

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens Mostly we don't take ourselves so serious as other nations do, we know we're not perfect but we are very close to it.

@SpiceGhouls

3 жыл бұрын

Schadenfreude - it's a German word but we Brits can totally relate

@markjames7817

3 жыл бұрын

@@colinp2238 when god made perfection he created brits,,

I think we in Britain like repetition (in terms of episode plot points) because that's how our everyday lives feel; it's something we can recognise and relate to, and it also endears us to the characters because we are living their lives along with them. One example is Dinnerladies, a late-90s sitcom set in a factory canteen; every day they open up, the bread man makes his delivery, the toaster's not working again, people keep opening the fire escape and letting in cold drafts to everyone's annoyance, etc. People recognise that and feel closer to the characters and the plot. Another example is "The Royle Family", another late-90s/early-00s sitcom about a typical, working class, northern English family. Pretty much every episode just revolved around the family watching TV, that's it! But everyone loved it because it was so well-observed and relatable. Then, when tender moments did happen, you were so emotionally-invested that they hit harder and felt so much more genuine.

The Royle Family is rather funny, it's a bittersweet working class comedy with a lot of dark humour, sarcastic tension and sometimes comedy grotesque characters, with the odd moment of pathos here and there, and each episode is usually told in real time

@miaschu8175

2 жыл бұрын

When the gran died, it was heartbreaking. That's true emotion. A lot of what was termed "genuine" in US sitcoms is anything but.

Genuine moments; watch the last 3 minutes of the last episode of Blackadder set in WWI - the last episode of BA ever made. Its immensely powerful precisely because you're expecting a joke, because this is Blackadder, but all you get is the horror of trench warfare. Respect.

@alanbeaumont4848

3 жыл бұрын

To get the full effect you need to watch the entire series. Up until the last episode it was criticised for being disrespectful to the troops.

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

Haven't made it past season 2 yet!

@torfrida6663

3 жыл бұрын

Alan Beaumont It is mocking of the officers, not the troops. Lions led by donkeys was what was said.

@alanbeaumont4848

3 жыл бұрын

@@torfrida6663 The mud was thrown everywhere, but yes the Red Hats got most of it.

@catherinerobilliard7662

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto the end of the first series of Derry Girls - make sure it’s the one with Madonna’s song “Like a Prayer” and not the updated version which fails (thanks a bunch Madonna)

If you've not seen them yet, Gavin and Stacey, Misfits and Outnumbered

@susanashcroft2674

3 жыл бұрын

I'd forgotten about Outnumbered but that is a good one to watch.

@boepeep6217

3 жыл бұрын

Loved misfits! Wish it wasn't so short lived.

@METALFREAK03

3 жыл бұрын

Not going out, Some Mothers' Do Ave Em (free episodes all on YT), Goodnight Sweetheart, Butterflies...

@METALFREAK03

3 жыл бұрын

Porridige and Open All Hours

@Gassit

3 жыл бұрын

Men Behaving Badly. UK version of course not the US one.

It was a culture shock the first time I went to the USA (Texas). You had the programme, adverts, the end credits, the intro credits to the next programme, more adverts, then the next programme started. Also, no screen cards at the start/end of adverts in the middle of each program. You didn't even realise to start with that they'd cut to adverts.

@zerowhite2286

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds horrendous!

I don't know whether 'Dinner Ladies' written by Victoria Wood would be too British for you; but it definitely contains genuine moments. She was an absolute genius in many people's opinion.

I've noticed quite a common theme in American shows is that there's *always* a baseball/American football episode.

The hosts on bake off aren't really meant to be that funny, they're just there to put the bakers at ease and highlight them instead. You should watch some of the earlier series with Mel and Sue as the hosts instead and you'll get a better sense of the shoes Noel and Matt are trying to fill. The chaotic parental energy is definitely the vibe they're going for. (Also please, God, watch Doctor Who)

@billythedog-309

3 жыл бұрын

ln their wildest dreams Mel and Sue would actually be funny.

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for answering our Bake Off question! We'll watch some of the earlier shows and will keep in mind that they're not supposed to be straight comic relief :D

@whipcream345

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens Also Noel fielding in the right context is one of best british comedians, Bake Off isn't really a vehicle for hilarious comedy, the hosts are their more to add a bit of light heartedness.

@lorriesherbet

3 жыл бұрын

@@whipcream345 He is a treasure. But here's something I've been thinking about recently: how well do you think Might Boosh has aged?

@whipcream345

3 жыл бұрын

@@lorriesherbet ​ In all honesty i was never the biggest fan of the mighty boosh, ive came to love noel mainly based on panel shows, although the surrealist comedy of the mighty boosh doesnt seem to have aged much if youre into that kind of thing (in my opinion).

If you want a truly hard hitting emotional moment in British comedy, I'd suggest the last episode of Blackadder goes forth. It's a beautiful and heart wrenching at the end.

@corriehingston6744

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yes. I definitely agree with you there. They don't show the characters being shot but by the way the music swells and that the actors are falling etc, you can tell and I struggle to watch that episode

@JustANobody9757

3 жыл бұрын

I was terrified that the show I loved was going to mock the soldiers going over the top and would be lambasted for it, but the poignancy of that final scene was a masterpiece. I was just left sat in silence, a beautiful moment as the battlefield turned to poppies

Jim is almost representative of that busy body neighbour so it's perfectly fitting that he shows up every night.

The icky sentimentality of US tv shows, whether dramatic or comedic, makes them unwatchable to me. That there has to be some sort of formulaic emotional pay off or resolution is grimly inevitable and ruins most things.

I’d recommend Not Going Out, Doctor Who, Death in Paradise, Ghosts, Have I got News for You, Mock the Week, The Wheel, Michael McIntyre’s Big Show, to name a few.

@stayforthepeelpronpls4774

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with all but the wheel.

@NicholasJH96

3 жыл бұрын

If you’re going to watch have I got news for you it’s best to watch before 2018

@SpiceGhouls

3 жыл бұрын

I definitely second Not Going Out. Also Would I Lie To You

I think the reason "Frasier" was and is so huge in the UK is that it bucks the US trend of happy endings. It always goes wrong for Frasier and Niles. A very British style comedy.

@aloeveragel5819

3 жыл бұрын

Similar reason to why house was so big here too

@PassiveSmoking

3 жыл бұрын

I mean it's not just comedy. Shows that try to push the envelope tend to do a lot better in the UK than they do in the US, even if they're American shows. Babylon 5 and the rebooted Battlestar Galactica both did better here than they did in the US, to such an extent in the latter case that we actually got new BSG episodes before America did, something almost unheard of for a show made in America!

@SpiceGhouls

3 жыл бұрын

Also the show Superstore on Netflix. It's a very wholesome American comedy but everything that can go wrong does go wrong.

@Flakey101

3 жыл бұрын

@@PassiveSmoking Same with Stargate. Britain had the same viewer figures as America, despite a much smaller population. The only reason Stargate managed to last as long as it did was the demand from the UK and Germany. In later seasons when the American new season release would go on their mid season breaks they kept showing the shows in the UK and not take a break.

@PassiveSmoking

3 жыл бұрын

@@Flakey101 Maybe we just really like sci-fi over here! But Stargate was a great show (at least until the Ori showed up)

I never realised how repetitive our jokes are 😂 I think we're just a very inside-jokey nation 😂

I feel as though it's unfair to say Jim coming over in every episode of Friday Night Dinner is an overused joke. It's not the fact he's there that we're supposed to be laughing at, or him misnaming the boys and wincing when he goes to stroke Wilson. The jokes are what surrounds that formula and it's different every time. He never comes over for the same reason or says the same thing and it has a different impact on the rest of the story in the episode each time. It's not like the rest of the story pauses for the Jim section, it always makes what ever the conflict of the episode is worse, thus elevating the humour... ...in my opinion.

@MikeyMutronix

3 жыл бұрын

Plus was heart wrenching when Wilson died..Jim showed a lot of genuine human emotion and they realised he wasn’t just a complete wacko in that episode.

@AGKYS1992

3 жыл бұрын

I came here to say the same

@nancybudd494

3 жыл бұрын

You are 100% correct, it is not a repeated joke, as with the boys fighting and name calling, its what families do, its not a fake 'let's make something else up' each time as that would not be authentic. The same with much of it really, if you dint get it then you dont get it and as much of American sit coms are all about how to be 'perfect' and the mishaps that get in the way but eventually turn out perfectly (and laugh tracks) removes the genuine feeling or connection with real life. We like much more realism in our TV when it comes to family and the like.

@ZakJames

3 жыл бұрын

@@nancybudd494 , I couldn't agree with you more. Interesting how they didn't seem to like that one so much, as I think Friday Night Dinner is one of the stronger laugh out loud sit-coms on TV right now.

@nancybudd494

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZakJames I agree, I'm sad its finished now but I think it finished at the right point. I have seen that most Americans miss the nuances of British humour and culturally they just dont understand it and likely wont even if they think they do. American humor is far more obvious on the most part

Oohhhh, you should watch ghosts, it's a newish show, but it's rly good, it's written by all of the horrible histories cast

@stayforthepeelpronpls4774

3 жыл бұрын

I second this

@l3v1ckUK

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. It's great. This year's Christmas special was fantastic.

@julesburton4649

3 жыл бұрын

Yes . It was surprisingly good.

@kendee4421

3 жыл бұрын

a brilliant show and technically amazing

@smjenkin9255

3 жыл бұрын

It's lovely.

The end of the Only Fools And Horse episode where Rodney gets married has a very genuine moment,where after everyone has left the reception,Del is left there alone while Holdin' Back The Years by Simply Red plays

@colinp2238

3 жыл бұрын

The one where Del gets beaten up because he can't pay the loan off because I think he used it to pay for Rodney's wedding reception or honeymoon.

@emkav551

3 жыл бұрын

I love the Delboy moment when he shows newborn Damien the stars.

@catherinewilson3880

3 жыл бұрын

Pathos

I am vastly amused that Grace has unconsciously used that very British expression of "a piss-take"!

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

You can take me out of the UK but you can't take the UK out of me! xD

@thomas_hobbs1453

3 жыл бұрын

I think she was conscious when she said that

You should watch Taskmaster, it's comedy gold!

We do have shows about family values though - Gavin and Stacey, Outnumbered, Stella, etc Even Red Dwarf has a sort of twisted family in it and so does Dr Who!

@jimmyboynottknown7713

3 жыл бұрын

Dr who used to till chris chibnall took over joining in the pussyfied social media brigade

I think British shows avoid 'genuine' moments every episode because putting them in the formula makes them feel fake and contrived to us - we're a bit more about the subtext. And then if there ever is an emotional moment it packs more of a punch. I guess that's a trope right there: Americans being so genuine it hurts and Brits being allergic to showing too much deep emotion Also, WHY does American TV and film have so many 'teenagers' played by 30 year olds?

@DarrellPringle

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. British shows are generally quite subtle and subtext heavy. They rely on you as a viewer projecting your own experiences (in British culture) on to the show which makes it feel more realistic. The Office as an example can be very funny but it’s actually a mirror to working life for a lot of people. The mundane moments, the power structures, petty squabbles, human connections and unspoken chemistry. The Office Christmas special IS special because it has 12 episodes of build up and subtext that make them feel earned.

When I worked overseas and did some cross-cultural training we looked at the idea of high-context v low-context cultures. High-context (like UK) have a hidden set of rules/schemas that are understood by locals and can be difficult for outsiders to get to grips with; low-context (like US) on the other hand do not have the same expectations. This mainly came about because of the US being such a melting-pot of different cultures that there was no unifying, underlying values/ideas and so the culture developed an attitude of not making these assumptions and instead being more explicit with their culture and maintaining strong links to their ancestral cultures. This also links with directness - Brits tend to be more indirect because they can be due to the high-context cultural expectations they have that others will understand what they mean. It was interesting seeing this discourse come up in your examination of the differences between the TV series and is a good reason why US TV is so accessible worldwide as it is so low-context. As a side note, this is also why people sometimes accuse USA of having 'no culture' which is completely untrue; it just functions very differently in this low-context way. That might seem less 'refined' to someone from a high-context background, but that's just the high-context person being a snobby jackass :P

Bake Off hosts arent't there to be comics, they are just hosts. It did used to be funnier with Mel & Sue on BBC, but that depends if you like innuendo.

@greendragonpublishing

3 жыл бұрын

I see the hosts as moral support for the bakers. They're the 'non-experts' to help them along, keep them from focusing on their own disasters, and keep them smiling.

@greendragonpublishing

3 жыл бұрын

And I agree Mel and Sue were delightful.

@greendragonpublishing

3 жыл бұрын

I read an article where Mel & Sue would stand near a baker and curse if the baker started crying, so the producers couldn't use that footage. I thought that was a wonderful anodyne to the horribly fake drama most American cooking shows manufacture.

@thebigmacmoomin

3 жыл бұрын

@@greendragonpublishing I heard that too. Thought it was good of them to do that.

I think the sincere moment turning into a joke is an exaggeration of us brits’ tendency of using teasing and taking the mick as a a form of love language. We mess with our friends and family a lot but thats cause we love them.

The last episode of Blackadder Goes Fourth the most genuine and honest episode of any comedy ever filmed.

18:20 "Are we just stupid in America?" You know, you shouldn't ask a question, if you don't want an answer!! I think one difference in the TV is that we tend to be much more self deprecating in the UK, whilst American TV is a bit too 'full of itself'.

I think the nudity thing is more about general censorship, ‘Naked Attraction’ wouldn’t be a show on one of the standard big channels in America would it? Lol or at all?

@elisemae13

3 жыл бұрын

All I was thinking was ‘they obviously haven’t watched Naked Attraction’

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

Good point 😂😂

@hectorthorverton4920

3 жыл бұрын

It all depends what you mean by censorship. A couple of nights ago I watched a really, really good documentary about the making of West Side Story, and how it nearly wasn't staged because no producer would touch it. That was because they thought it would be a flop, and that was because they assumed Americans want Life Affirming shows. Is it all part of The American Dream - You Can Make It If You Try Hard? The producers knew instinctively that the moment people doubt that, so much about how the US works starts to crumble. In the UK because there isn't so much pressure for a show to be a commercial success, producers and writers are happy to take more risks.

@noairsnograces8640

3 жыл бұрын

@@elisemae13 My thought precisely.

@juliaw151

3 жыл бұрын

Same as like embarassing bodies, I feel like that wouldn't be on TV in America

American trope: social roles in high school. Cheerleaders, jocks, geeks etc

@dannydorko7075

3 жыл бұрын

saved by the bell

@trickygoose2

3 жыл бұрын

That's true, for example, I get the impression that no-one is allowed to be both athletic and academic. You are one of the other and if you are neither, you will have to join a bunch of weirdos.

@animatechap5176

3 жыл бұрын

@@trickygoose2 yeah is that true in America, cause its really odd to me

@trickygoose2

3 жыл бұрын

@@animatechap5176 Well that's the impression you get from TV and films but whether it's actually true in real life I'm not so sure as I'm British. I suspect those groups do exist but things are a little more fluid.

@stevenicol1

3 жыл бұрын

Bullying is a classic American trope too, hope it’s not that prevalent in real life.

Fools and horses. The lift scene when Del forces Rodney to confront the loss of his baby. If you don’t have tears in your eyes you’re heartless.

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

We haven't seen that episode yet!

@emmaseager1006

3 жыл бұрын

Only fools and horses get the whole box set watch it from star to finish it’s a sit com but touching moment when grandad dies in fact I’ve seen every season including Christmas specials and it’s still funny

@alistairmunro

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of the best UK Sitcoms use misdirection. One of the best examples is Only Fools, where the Trotters con themselves into a job cleaning chandeliers. Of course they are going to destroy the priceless chandelier, but it's the switch at the crucial moment that's brilliant kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnqpu6uiZZDPl8Y.html

@casinodelonge

3 жыл бұрын

The Holding Back the Years bit where Del got a kicking for giving owed money to Rodders and Cass was a good one too.

The catastrophic failure plot wouldn't work Inna country that sees itself as "the Greatest country in the world" and would go against the "American dream", British culture is all about the bants. If you can't laugh at yourself what's the point! 😂

6:18 I think this comes down to "national expectation" Americans are always positive. I used to work with an american for many years and when I asked "how is your day going" he used to always respond with "On the top, never going to drop!" or "On top today, you?"... Whilst Britain...well British culture is more "it can't get any worse can it?" or "it's better than xyz", so that is why we will answer to "how are you" often with "well the weather is OK" and if anyone says they are "fine" they are often lying.

@Emmet_Moore

3 жыл бұрын

Mustn't grumble

@JustANobody9757

3 жыл бұрын

Not bad

I read a good explanation of Fawlty towers. "It depicts the Englishman's fight against his last enamy. Himself."

Personally I did get a family matters message from Friday night dinner. I suppose its a culture difference but to me it was saying families are weird and annoying but you keep coming home every week no matter what because in the end you love them.

Regarding the relentlessly deteriorating situations in Brit comedy, and not entirely dissociated from Fawlty Towers, the film Clockwise sees John Cleese's character descend into increasing chaos and misery in trying to make his way to an important meeting of headteachers where he is to deliver the keynote speech. American comedy does sometimes conform to a similar pattern, for example Laurel and Hardy's continually frustrated efforts in their celebrated short film, The Music Box. Of course, it was written by Laurel, who was a Brit.

I'll re-re-reccomend Yes Minister & Yes Prime Minister.

@torfrida6663

3 жыл бұрын

Mr Hedgebull Yes, great, but do you think that verbal humour would go down well in the USA? I know the articulate Ravens will get it, but not sure about generally.

@mrhedgebull1658

3 жыл бұрын

@@torfrida6663 Yeah, I'm recommending it for the Ravens, it's a valid point though, it probably is a tad too wordy for a general audience these days.

@Theinternalrewrite

3 жыл бұрын

What is amazing is how it's all the the same topics in politics now. NHS, EU, Trident, shifting cabinet picks, political advisors, etc. It's almost depressing.

@emkav551

3 жыл бұрын

Did the yes minister books come before or after the programme?

@mrhedgebull1658

3 жыл бұрын

@@emkav551 The only book I've ever seen was a collection of the scripts, so that would be after.

'And they all live happily ever after' is covered by Disney 👍

i feel like the reason british sitcoms sentimental moments always end in a joke is cause it is a a sentimental moment, (i know that doesn’t make any sense but lemme explain) these jokes are showing the audience that everything is okay even if they are laughing at each other. it’s a form of friendly banta that only close friends or family experience. also most british sitcoms are parodies on everyday life e.g the (UK) office, friday night dinner, inbetweeners, peep show, IT crowd, etc. so these jokes at the end of/during sentimental moments is simply the show being a parody and making fun. i hope that made sense and cleared things up 🙂

@MudlarksAlmanac

3 жыл бұрын

with the good old 'British Reserve' we sometimes get embarrassed by people being over sentimental - it makes us feel awkward and uncomfortable - so it's natural to make a joke out of it to diffuse a situation and show that we're NOT embarrassed, if you see what I mean?

watch "life on mars" and "ashes to ashes"

Being a Brit living in the US I mostly agree with most of what you said about the differences. British shows are more like real life and American shows do tend to have a message to share. A couple of other things I noticed in British tv shows after 9:00 pm swearing is not bleeped out unlike the network shows on NBC ABC CBS CW11 FOX etc...in America and skirt/dress lengths tend to be longer on British tv than on US tv.

It’d be great if you’d included Taskmaster and Would I Lie To You

@qasimmir7117

3 жыл бұрын

Bob Mortimer’s stories.😳

one genuine moment in BlackAdder is the very end of the last series. When Blackadder and his cronies actually do go 'over the top' to be machine gunned down in no man's land. It is a very powerful moment and is very, very moving.

With the Bake-off thing, I think most British people would probably say that the two comedians are perfect for that role. Lol. It’s not a comedy show. They are just there to fill in the gaps and not to steal the show. I think it would ruin it with a loud, over-the-top comedian cracking jokes every 2 minutes. Lol.

@Mugtree

3 жыл бұрын

Agree they are there to compliment the show. The show is about baking. Not comedy or them 👍

@MrJoeshipley

3 жыл бұрын

It might have been wise to employ some one funny for that role though

@pjschmid2251

3 жыл бұрын

I liked the two women that used to be on the bake off better than these two guys. They just had more of a chemistry between the two of them they played off of each other well. It wasn’t quite as awkward as these two. In the US I think I’ve only seen one of the new series so far, and I might have only seen the new guys when I was over in Britain now that I think about it. It takes a long time for them to make it here over here.

@gerardacronin334

3 жыл бұрын

I’m neither British nor American, but I really enjoy the Great British Baking Show (or Bake Off). The bakers are the focus for me and I think the hosts are there just to take some of the tension out of it. Sandi Toksvig was my favourite host but she gave it up because all the cakes were making her put on weight.

I recommend UK being human specialises in awkward moments. Have you seen the Mighty Boosh it's very different for British comedy.

I am an American who hasn't watched much British TV. It sounds better that it doesn't have the sort of "genuine" moments that US TV does. They feel good to watch in the moment, but they create a fantasy that things will go well in the end and people will be, well, genuine with one another. But that's not how real life is or will ever be, and our TV makes that reality even more crushing.

For me, the biggest American trope that seems to be the theme for so many US films is the boy next door who, along with others gets bullied but then overcomes everything and gets revenge, EG Karate Kid

Maybe I’m biased but as a rule I think British tv is better

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

We love it!!

@leelid4376

3 жыл бұрын

Like wandering ravens said American tv shows/writers are restricted to write for the global audience. I think it's why US version of Skins did wrong but US shameless did right. The US & the Uk version of the Office are complete entities of a new genre of comedy.

I would of massively enjoyed Watching you react to British TV shows. Please do that.

4:52 if you want to see a show that mentions earring curry a lot I highly recommend watching red dwarf on uk Netflix. You’d love it.

@jaysmith2858

3 жыл бұрын

I've got some chilled vindaloo sauce for today's breakfast, followed by a triple fried egg chilli chutney sandwich for lunch, and then for dinner I'm going to have a shami kebab diablo. De-smegging-licious.

Best video they’ve done. I’ve never broken down component parts of what makes a comedy and having the differences highlighted so well and with examples has been a real education. Thanks guy !

Have you seen naked attraction that would never be allowed on American TV.

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

We're trying to avoid that one 😂😂

@lesleyannismay8295

3 жыл бұрын

Love that show they should definitely watch it. Its not as horrible as you think

@skyebates246

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens Yeah it's not great I don't like it It's too gross for me 😆

@jillhobson6128

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens Definitely avoid it!

@userunknown9560

3 жыл бұрын

Also couldn't see Queer as folk being shown in the U.S.

I think you should watch naked attraction and see the kinda show's that shows the difference about nudity on TV

The dinner thing is to trap the characters in a room they can't escape without being rude. The overall British thing is to put characters together who often resent each other and try to get one over on each other, whereas the US seems to centre around a team which supports each other. Oh and we don't have that 'I love you dad' thing which is usually cringeworthy. We aren't always consistent however. Having laughed at the incompetent antics of the Home Guard in 'Dad's Army' we then get 'The Deadly Attachment' episode where they are finally confronted by a Nazi U-Boat Captain plus crew and step up and it's still funny.

@davidjones332

3 жыл бұрын

I think there is something in the British mentality that we find it easiest to make fun of the things we really love. We can make fun of the Home Guard, or the police, or the army, the navy, the NHS or the Queen, but it doesn't lessen our respect and affection for these institutions. In some cultures mickey-taking would be seen as undermining them, but not here.

@MrJonno85

3 жыл бұрын

"Don't tell him, Pike!"

@trickygoose2

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, British comedy tends to thrive on 'trapped' characters. Whether literally, like Porridge in a prison or something like Steptoe and Son where they are stuck with each other or shows like Hancock, Only Fools & Horses and Keeping up Appearances where the characters have delusions of grandeur or wealth that they will probably never realise.

@johnkemp8904

Жыл бұрын

I must admit that my bete noire has always been ‘I love you mom’ whether in comedy or drama. I cannot ever remember hearing ‘I love you mum’ here at home in the UK. Let us always celebrate Phil Silvers when it comes to US comedy. Those who do not know Ernie Bilko are sadly underprivileged.

I'm only halfway through watching, will finish later, but just to say: if you haven't seen it, Outnumbered is my all time favourite British comedy series.

@greendragonpublishing

3 жыл бұрын

It's hilarious! And maddening. And definitely a show that highlights the trope of the extended awkwardness.

You’re spot on.with the panel shows. You know you’re British at heart when you get the jokes😁always look forward to your videos 👌

The food tropes are true! I would compare Indian food in the UK to Mexican food in the US, it's something almost everyone is familiar with eating and ordering at gatherings and on weekends, usually considered unhealthy and drunk food but delicious lol

I suppose the best way to look at this is with this scenario I was shown a while ago. A customer in a restaurant is having a go at a waiter for a fly in his soup and the waiter is obviously apologetic and yet put upon. In an American sitcom you watch the customer while in a British Sitcom you watch the waiter

I've just remembered Del Boy talking to his newborn son, in Only Fools and Horses. That was genuine. Or Denise, scared in the bathroom, and her lazy git of a dad talks her round, in the Royle Family. Or the Christmas special of the Royle Family when the gran dies. British comedy does do those moments, but it's usually a little more like real life, and more heart-rending than those moments across the pond seem to be. Although, there have been similar moment there too. Coach dying, in Cheers, or Carla going through difficulties and Sam helping her. Those moments don't work as a good counterpoint if they're too sentimental.

I'm pretty sure the bake off hosts are told to reign it in, if you watch Noel Fielding's usual brand of comedy, especially The Mighty Boosh, its some of the most bizarre, insane, out there stuff created

You need to watch both dad's army and the good life. Two of my favourite shows ever. Edit: and red dwarf.

As a Teenage Brit ,a series I loved watching growing up was Miranda. It shows the life of a middle class women in mid-30’s and her struggles to live up to her moms status I really recommend (I Bloody love your channel)

I've spent a lot of years on this earth and I have NEVER heard the word "trope" in my life. I can't be alone on this.

@kathryne3139

3 жыл бұрын

Me neither, scrolled down expecting everyone to be saying "what the bloody hell is a trope"

@juliaw151

3 жыл бұрын

Me neither

@MarkTillotson

2 жыл бұрын

Its a technical term from literary criticism originally, probably overused filler word in reality, motif or theme or device are more common words that fulfil the same purpose as far as I can see.

I think the best British comedy, has to be Black Adder, specifically the final series set in the trenches of WW1. With (spoiler alert) the final scenes being preset by the ongoing joke “I have a cunning plan”. I agree with you about Saturday night dinner, I never got into it and found it annoying. Loved the American series Parks & Recreation and The Americans

@ShahOfBlahII

3 жыл бұрын

Saturday night dinner? Friday night dinner, very over rated you either like it or not, noone seems down the middle.

@tonys1636

3 жыл бұрын

One needs to understand Jewish culture to really get it

@capitalb5889

3 жыл бұрын

@@tonys1636 - you don't need to know very much about it to get the jokes

You really need to watch 'life on Mars/ashes to ashes' and 'phoenix nights' and 'two Pints of lager & a packet of crisps'

I REALLY recommend watching the mighty boosh. It different to the usual British comedy and you get to see what the guy from bake off is like ( Noel fielding)

Closest to an adult cartoon, though not in the American mould... Spitting Image. The 80's series are the best, but you would have to understand the politics of the time. The 2020 series would be easier for you to get into, but isn't a patch on the original.

@rickb.4168

3 жыл бұрын

Never seen ‘Monkey Dust’ or ‘Stressed Eric?’ There are others as well.

@RichardBarclay

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickb.4168Bob & Margaret

@k.stewart007

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't they do an animated version of spitting image a few years back? It wasn't called spitting image but the concept was similar. Just animations instead of puppets. I can't remember what it was called.

@zak3744

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickb.4168 'Crapston Villas' is stop-motion rather than cell animation that I remember from the nineties. But very, very British in it's tone. I struggle to imagine a US equivalent being made. (I've just looked it up and it's actually on All4)

@rickb.4168

3 жыл бұрын

@@zak3744 I was trying to remember the name of that. It was great.

A couple of animated sketch shows that were definately aimed at a more adult audience that are worth checking out are 'Aaaaargh! It's the Mr Hell Show' and 'Monkey Dust'.

Love this channel, hope you get to stay in the UK guys 😊

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Adam!! x

@zyndr_

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens Wow, even putting the 'x' at the end of messages! You really are becoming honorary Brits - lol.

@jillhobson6128

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens To be a True Brit:- Pythun, not Py-thon. Orkward, not arkward Don't pronounce the "R". We'll get you speaking UK English soon! Grace is nearly there!

I think it’s usual to see physically unattractive actors on US shows, whereas there’s less emphasis on looks for UK shows, particularly in comedy genre

@greendragonpublishing

3 жыл бұрын

Drama, too. Cops that don't look like fashion models (Jamie Bamber excepted, of course).

I think to understand the role of the hosts on Bake Off you need to watch the early seasons with Mel and Sue who brought a specific energy, humour and compassion, not necessarily to provide comic relief, just host and guide the show with warmth. That energy has shifted as new hosts have been brought on and the show moved to Channel 4. But I think the Dad humour is meant to be heartwarming, much like the rest of the show.

Misfits, Sherlock and Black Mirror

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

Black Mirror and Sherlock are BRILLIANT!! Haven't seen Misfits yet!

@jamesfleming5830

3 жыл бұрын

@@WanderingRavens I would also recommend Skins.

@alexanderbrown8498

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfleming5830 seconding Skins!

@jamesfleming5830

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderbrown8498 Skins was such a huge part of my age group (18-26 I feel like it's essential for taking a peak into our lives.

@alexanderbrown8498

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfleming5830 absolutely! How would you rank the generations? For me, 2 is best, followed by 1 and then 3

15 Storeys High is a really underrated Sitcom by Sean Lock, which I really recommend - not sure if you can get it on most streaming sights, but you can find episodes on KZread

There used to be an adult-themed animation here called Stressed Eric back in the 90's but it didn't last very long. Neither did Crapston Villas, and there was also Monkey Dust which was brilliantly funny but really, really dark. We're quite okay to admit that the adult-themed animation genre is something you guys are so much better than us at doing.

In terms of genuinely moving UK TV, there isn't an episode of Derek that hasnt had me in tears. Yes there's comedy too but the realities of care homes and residents passing away is heartbreaking.

PLEESE PLEASE PLEASE watch CBBC's Horrible Histories - everything is 100% accuRAT

You have to watch line of duty!!!!!!! (It’s so good)

Del and rodneyv in the lift is a brilliant scene. It covers alot of emotions

I think the funniest thing about the bake off is the innuendo throughout.

Love this channel so good

@WanderingRavens

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! x

@danielh5108

3 жыл бұрын

If you haven't seen it yet I would recommend Mr Bean you don't need to understand British culture you just need to sit back and relax

@dave_h_8742

3 жыл бұрын

Wandering Ravens Mr Bean is childish stupidity don't waste your time.

@METALFREAK03

3 жыл бұрын

@@dave_h_8742 but hilarious - with a common joke being always going against the three-wheeler car haha

@dave_h_8742

3 жыл бұрын

@@METALFREAK03 No not at all funny same as some mothers do av em utter tripe. Now blackadder.....

Miranda is such a good show, I would definitely recommend watching it!

@Bethybakeyboo

3 жыл бұрын

YES!!!!! Highly recommend it!...and the vicar of Dibley

@GeorgiaAwkward

3 жыл бұрын

was just about to recommend Miranda, one of my favourites

@sammygirl5835

3 жыл бұрын

Such Fun!

Bang on 👌

Great observations guys, especially the 'awkward moments' analysis.

There was a series called monkey dust

@jaysmith2858

3 жыл бұрын

Nice one! I knew there was one, but couldn't for the life of me remember it's name. 👍

Chicken Tikka Marsala is a national dish, thus "going for a curry" is like going for a burger in the States.

I think that the American version of the British TV trope of eating or wanting a curry is eating a burrito, including something called a breakfast burrito. I can't even imagine what that is! I agree with your idea about tropes, but Peep Show is an extreme example! And Friday Night Dinner isn't a typical sitcom. But awkwardness and dark humour are common tropes in British TV.

There is some genuine sincerity in UK sitcoms, check out the Only Fools and Horses episode where they bury Grandad (Leonard Pearce had actually passed away) and also the end of Blackadder where they go over the top of the trenches in the First World War, it is very few and far between though.