Criticising the SAS for being heavy handed is like complaining that your vindaloo is spicy.

@GilbertdeClare0704

Күн бұрын

If they were still alive afterwards, it was NOT "heavy handed", it was all back to being kushti

@Rachel_M_

Күн бұрын

Americans often mistake "not messing about" with "heavy handed" 🤷🏼‍♀️

@GilbertdeClare0704

Күн бұрын

@@Rachel_M_ I think the whole of the West is now having that same problem ? Even being mildly assertive is seen as "aggressive", with many little kids in schools now, especially boys, being treated like they are "Aggressive sociopaths" for being assertive or remotely physical. Shame is, the kids then don't get the chance to LEARN self control or restraint, so it is internalised to become actual mental health problems, OR externalised with NO restraint in a sadly binary, "nothing" or instant "FULL ON" friend or foe behaviour. Our lads being very definite with a bit of a slap to boot, did the JOB. Bish bosh, job done !

@ianmoone6562

20 сағат бұрын

Carandiru in Brasil was heavy handed, not this lol

@kungpochopedtuna

11 сағат бұрын

Hahahaha

Imagine taking part in a prison riot which took prison officers hostage, and you cry about the SAS being too heavy handed 🤣🤣

@AardvarkXyzzy440

2 күн бұрын

In many countries the rioters would have been shot.

@janolaful

Күн бұрын

You know the saying if you carnt do the time don't do the crime.

@NumptyMcGlumpty

Күн бұрын

in the 1980s no less, the decade that defined "FAFO" before it became a "thing"

@PCDelorian

22 сағат бұрын

I mean if his allegations were true, which we will never know for sure either way, I'd say he has every right to complain. We live a country that believes in the Rule of Law, and the fact he was involved in a Prison Mutiny does not change that. If he was beaten to secure the building, that's lawful prevention of crime and disorder (namely prison mutiny), if it were revenge, that's a serious assault. Also being involved in a prison mutiny does not necessarily mean you intended every act that the mutiny did, and it is generally accepted that conditions there were beyond poor. 11 injuries to the head is always going to result in a lawsuit. The punishment is decided by the Court after the fact the SAS are there to bring things to an end and assist in presenting the individuals to the Court.

@funhouse9566

12 сағат бұрын

@@PCDelorian He has zero right to complain. Offenders shouldn't have any rights and its part of why society is awful. Murderers and what not take part in a riot, hold people hostage, throw objects off a roof which could easily kill or disfigure. They have lost all protection from the system and should be treated as vermin. It's also a mockery that people like that can waste tons of time and money in court.

you really know you're screwed when the SAS is on the scene...

@chrissheldon8708

2 күн бұрын

💯

@filipefernandes870

Күн бұрын

not if they there to help you

@CyberBeep_kenshi

Күн бұрын

@@filipefernandes870 that's true :-)

"The self-styled 'hard men' of Scotland's toughest maximum security prison turned out to be as tough as new-born kittens, when faced with really hard men from the S.A.S" - Squadron Sergeant Major Peter Ratcliffe

@outdoorsocialist8774

2 күн бұрын

Its amazing what you can do with surprise, speed and aggression on your side! I doubt Peter Ratcliffe would last 30 seconds in a stand up fight with some of those blokes!!

@insiite9561

2 күн бұрын

@@outdoorsocialist8774 ur just yapping, if you think a SAS bloke cant fight.... ur wildly deluded

@lukepepper3949

2 күн бұрын

Well considering they are experts in multiple unarmed defence techniques, I'd say a thug from civvie-street wouldn't have a chance.

@YautjaPrime-gw1on

2 күн бұрын

​@@outdoorsocialist8774 When civvy 'killers' rely on fear and intimidation are met with trained killers there's only going to be one outcome and it's not going to be pretty. Keep your delusional thinking if you must but remember you're actually advocating for the very people who wouldn't think twice about ending your life if you got in their way, they're in prison for a reason. Think about it.

@labouraredangerous

Күн бұрын

​@outdoorsocialist8774 hahahahah you lost all credibility having that flag in your avatar

You can absolutely guarantee he said “you’re going for a spin now pal” fucking brilliant 😂

@ian_i.o.m495

2 күн бұрын

Without a doubt ."I thought it was a wall, but it was a hole".With a 12ft drop 😂

@laserpanda94

2 күн бұрын

He was just inviting him for an afternoon drive. The drop was a coincidence. 😂

@PCDelorian

21 сағат бұрын

What you are saying there is its brilliant he committed perjury and perverted the course of justice. It will of course never be proven, but he deserved court martial and discharge. The Court system cannot function if witnesses (especially those whose involvement comes from their profession on the side of the Crown) lie and falsify evidence. As great a quote as it may have been.

It took inmates 5 days to hold the prisoner under their control and it took SAS 6 minutes to regain control. Wow!!!

@ym10up

2 күн бұрын

I thought it's "the inmates held the prison under their control for 5 days", not "it took inmates 5 days to hold the prison under their control"

@LUK77ACH

Күн бұрын

@@ym10up You are right, it was autocorrect that changed the word “prison” into “prisoner” for some reason.))))

@ym10up

Күн бұрын

@@LUK77ACH em, my point was about something else. It didn't take the inmates 5 days to hold the prison under control. They took control of the prison on day one and kept control for 5 days.

@LUK77ACH

Күн бұрын

@@ym10up That’s exactly what I meant,

The whole point of the flashbangs, the noise, the confusion etc is to give the SAS a short time window to deploy enough force to eliminate the combatants from the fight. The prisoners are lucky that the SAS had orders to avoid lethal force, otherwise it wouldn't have just been a beating they received.

@LeeXRV

23 сағат бұрын

I was thinking the same also, charging an SAS solder who has a browning 9m with a knife, it’s a miracle he was able to accidentally fall down the hole and not have many holes in him.

"I thought it was a wall not a hole" and " you're going for a spin now pal" . Even their humor is next level LOLZ!!

We did a training exercise with the SAS. We were held hostage for 3 days in a disused hospital in Wales. On the last night these guys come flying in from absolutely nowhere wiped out the bad guys and rescued us all in the matter of minutes. Absolutely incredible force.

@modelrailwaynoob

21 сағат бұрын

When we trained in FIBUA some DS took one of our corporals as a hostage. They put him in the roof room which had a window and only one guard. Our CSM ordered two of us to climb up and rescue him whilst our Rupert negotiated with the DS on the ground floor. We pulled the guard out by the barrel of his SLR and then our Corporal. The Rupert was not impressed when she was told what the CSM had done without her knowledge. The DS were surprised when we attacked as they didn't know the prisoner and their guard were now out of the building. Fun times.

Inmates “ Let’s do this, what could possibly go wrong?”

Wait so a prisoner attack a soldier, An S.A.S. And then he said " they hurt me" Seriously?

@BergenDev

2 күн бұрын

He should be lucky to still speak.

@RampantFury925

2 күн бұрын

Sounds like a case of "FAFO" to me.

@crewgadjy

2 күн бұрын

As far as everyone new they where Police, it didn't come out that it was the SAS until much later.

@selfaware3940

Күн бұрын

Yea they sound like progressives at a BLM march..

@user-je6rz7mb3f

19 сағат бұрын

OOOOPPPPSSSS😂😂😂😂😂

The SAS didn't even come close to doing what prisoners do to each other every day.

@acsxdzght

2 күн бұрын

B.S WHAT THE FU@K ARE YOU NO ABOUT

I remember this well it was all over the tv. But what gets me is that these soldiers ended up in court

SAS are awesome, Obviously, but big respect to the PM Margret Thatcher who had the balls to unleash them. If only we had leaders like her now days !

Jackie Stuart - The prison Warden who was taken hostage, Died September of last year, age 93

Heavy handed the cons got off lightly

@ranger36100

Күн бұрын

Very lightly

The SAS were fuming about this ridiculous mission, its well documented. Their job is not to solve civilian domestic problems.

@Teasehirt

Күн бұрын

I can resonate with that, too, but these inmates were insane in their own right.

@YautjaPrime-gw1on

Күн бұрын

@@stewartmackay Don't blame them either, but at the time it was all politically motivated, something these days we tend to scrutinize more. Until the Iranian embassy siege the unit was probably happy to have a mythological status, I believe even though they were the right guys for the job I still think if you look back on it there was an underlying message being sent to other 'rogue' nations, since it was a period of hostage takings being rife with too many nations giving in to their demands.

@declanshanahan3888

20 сағат бұрын

Who did you speak to who was there? Well documented, put it up the data. I've been in the company of one of them. He never mentioned it. Feel free to dm me

@stewartmackay

16 сағат бұрын

@@declanshanahan3888 Who? I spent 17 years in the Royal Marines mate, if you are going to troll me you better know what you're doing.

@Manawatu_Al2844

13 сағат бұрын

I wonder if it was then, that the Corrections service decided to create a squad to deal with situations like this, instead of relying on the military for help.

I do not believe for one second that the SAS would've given the inmates a few extra slaps to teach them a lesson 🤣🤣🤣

@Jh19999

Күн бұрын

Clearly you don't know what they're like. These guys a ruthless men with mental issues 😂

Theres a detailed first hand account of this in a book written by Peter Ratcliffe called Eye of the Storm. He was in the SAS from the 70s to mid 90s and was the Squadron sergeant major of the squadron who took part in this and was later RSM SAS during the 90-91 Gulf war

You do NOT mess with the S.A.S. !!😂😂

There was no public outcry. Believe it or not, not many ordinary people give a shít about convicts.

Peterhead prison is now a museum you can walk about and see how it was in the day

@bobbymimms

2 күн бұрын

I remember this back then. They used to put a lot of paedophiles in there in the later times I think.

@stephensmith4480

Күн бұрын

Crumlin Road in Belfast is the same.

I owned a garage next to the prison Which stored band and disco equipment ,the police let me enter the area as it was out of view of the prison roof ,there was a blacked out land rover parked in front of it , I tapped on the window ,when the window lowered I was confronted by 4 fully armed sas soldiers , I honestly didnt know that adrenaline was brown ,but they actually moved to let me have access , probably the first time someone has asked the sas to move ,and they did

you know its real when they wearing hi tec silver shadows,to non uk peps,they are the trainers the army give you in basic training,great vid and nice shirt

@dwinterx

Күн бұрын

Hi Tec's is what you had if you couldn't afford Adidas back in the 80's. Not even sure I had Hi Tec's, think mine were unbranded. 🤣

An interesting story of Peterhead prison, is that Johnny Rominski was recruited out Peterhead prison during WW2. Johnny was a bank rober and explosive expert, who also had a knack for escaping from prisons. He was offered his freedom if he would train as a commando and be dropped behind enemy lines. Which he did.

@brianmurray8247

7 сағат бұрын

Johnny Ramensky was sent back to prison after - he didn't get his freedom .

@Luggiefrank

5 сағат бұрын

@@brianmurray8247 he got caught doing a bank when he got home

At first the Police took credit for this until it come out that 22 reg. got it done in minutes. Job's like this have to be signed over for the Army (SAS) before they can draw up a DPA and at the end of the mission it gets sign back to the Police Force or Plod as all Squadies call them. Very similar to the Embassy siege in London, but that was all court on TV I don't think you'll ever see what the 22 reg actually do as they are highly trained and the official Secrets act that all British SAS/SBS have to sign. I am obviously British and ex-milatary, but I will always say they are the best in the World. Great Video and thanks for showing how great the UK's SF's are, Respect to you 👌

@brianmurray8247

7 сағат бұрын

I'm sure someone who is ex - military would know how to spell or at least do a spellcheck before posting .

@GrahamDay-ec9de

7 сағат бұрын

@@brianmurray8247 Spelling doesn't make you a better Soldier, unless you're a Rupert

That little wax work head at the door window lol, guess its from the museum part of it.

The museum is the prison itself, the Peterhead prison was decommissioned and a new one was built in its place next door, u can see it in the footage! It’s now used fully for tours and a museum of prison life!

@sg9222

Күн бұрын

My guess was Royal Armouries in Leeds based on the other items on display and it looking somewhat familiar, they had a collection of riot gear on display at one point but not sure if its stil there

When you send the SAS in they will not be visiting with a cake and soft words. Prisoners - "Hell is coming". They do what they must so live with it.

I believe that those items (like the hickory stick baton) are all at the Peterhead prison museum. Was up that way a few days back, so was a surprise to see you cover it 😂

6 minutes, LMFAO. On the scale of fuck around and find out those prisoners REALLY found out 🤣🤣

"too heavy handed". Well you don't call in the SAS to pet kittens do ya.

Another little known fact was that after the Pan AM 103 bombing and subsequent crash at Lockerbie the SAS where the first on scene. They just happened to be driving by on there way to or from a training exercise in Scotland. They stopped and searched for survivors and administered first aid to casualties that where on the ground when the plane came down. As first responders turned up and took over they melted away into the night.

4:13 "what's going on here" - It's set up as a museum now, so they have models of police and inmates dotted around the prison like you see here.

Someone did their tag, a NZSAS team member seconded to the British SAS. As seen at 15:41of this video. Soldiers handle name is Avon.

"And he said the prisoner was not thrown 12ft from the attic to the gallery below... deliberately" That quote got me good 😂 They truly got the experience of the more you fuck around, the more you're going to find out

I remember this riot happening, so glad the prison officer was OK. I had to laugh at the fact the SAS wore trainers! It made sense.....

Prisoner: *dropped 12 ft with several wound to the head* Soldier T: oh no...anyway.

I love the story of the SAS showing good ol Maggie what they did by conducting a live fire exercise with her in one of the rooms. They threw in flash bangs went in shot some targets and when they turned the lights on magpies body guard was hiding on the floor next to her as she sat calmly in a chair in the middle of the room😂

I don't think anyone tasked with enforcing the law in such a situation should have to handicap themselves by not being heavy-handed. The violent inmates they are against have clearly shown they are fine with heavy-handed tactics. The only problem with police brutality, in my opinion, is the asymmetry of it. There is no asymmetry in situations like this. This is heavy-handed tactics employed to deal with heavy-handed tactics. No foul.

@Nilruin

2 күн бұрын

This is correct. Most civil rights are thrown out in the case of emergencies when someone's life could potentially be in danger, especially a hostage situation. The US hasn't always followed those standards, but you better bet that most European countries absolutely do, especially the UK. If someone's life is in danger, getting them to safety as soon as possible is always the priority. If the people committing the crime get a few broken bones in the process, it doesn't really matter. Bones will heal, but dying can't be fixed.

@babalonkie

2 күн бұрын

Keyword of the UK then, today and tomorrow: "Proportionate"

@laserpanda94

2 күн бұрын

Exactly. This wasn't a bunch of coppers weighing in on a guy in handcuffs in the back of the van. Once you're torturing hostages and threatening to throw people off rooftops all bets are off.

"You're going for a spin now pal". Cue loss of control of bodily functions. 🤣😂

That's pretty cool. Thank you to all who brought these stories to our attention. Quite right too, You do not want to mess with these guys.

Good work. Awesome.

I've definitely seen footage some time ago and it's after the raid of one of the SAS slowly abseiling down in full black kit, and a small interview with Major Peter Ratcliffe quickly going over what unfolded.

"You're going for a spin now pal!". I kinda hope this was absolutely the attitude the SAS had. The prisoners in question were fine putting that officer though all that terror and pain. I dare say even enjoyed it! And yet cried about "rules" being broken when doing what was necessary to save the him! Lesson learned, "There's always someone tougher than you Pal, no matter how tough you think you are!" Well done lads. I'm grateful you're on our side! I don't tend to do National Pride, I think it's claiming accolade for other people's achievements. But I can't help but be proud of our SAS. This job must have been their easiest and safest ever. And back at Hereford for a beer before the rioters even knew what had happened.

They reached the "FO" part of FAFO.

The reason they rioted, the prison is in peterhead, north of scotland. The prisoners were sent there from all over and the prisoners complained that their families couldnt travel to visit. I worked at peterhead prison and the history around this event are legendary. Theres a window in HR that a sas sniper had laid on a table looking over at the roof. Theres still a window with the bar cut in middle to allow the sniper clear vision to snipe the guys on the roof if it looked like they were going to throw guard off.

Secured it in 6 mins with just batons, flash bangs tear gas. That is mad.

Nice Job! 😎👍

They should have stood outside kitted up and said “right boys you’ve got 5 minutes to get back in your cells and lock the door, or we’re coming in!”

Can't beat a set of hi-techs!

I watched an interview by on of the troopers years ago, who said these big hard brave prisoners, were reduced to kittens when they faced real men. lol you don`t mess with trained elite killers who would slot you in a second, even is they wear hickory sticks :) I remember the coverage of this on the tv (the siege) Lorraine Kelly often reported on it. there was another at strangeways in Manchester i also remember.

@insiite9561

2 күн бұрын

The quote was "The self-styled 'hard men' of Scotland's toughest maximum security prison turned out to be as tough as new-born kittens, when faced with really hard men from the S.A.S" - Squadron Sergeant Major Peter Ratcliffe

@offal

2 күн бұрын

@@insiite9561 yeah it was a while ago, lol

At the time no one knew the SAS were even there. The prison warders didn't even know who they were.

Man only 6 minutes it took for them. Props! I am sure they hated this mission as it has nothing to with them since they are special forces. Probably like “let’s finish this quick gents”

The SAS probably needed some light exercise that day. The cowards got a taste of their own medicine and then moaned like schoolgirls afterwards. At least they lived to tell the tale, unlike some of the victims they murdered and maimed.

Conversations on that C130...probably along the lines of who was going to mash the tea when they got there and what they were going to eat upon return to their base that evening.

"if you can' t take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

0:40 somthing people forget our prisons developed from actual dungeons you see in cartoons. The hate factory was built along time ago and money tends to have a habit of not being reinvested into things lol

13:10 The old prison is now a museum after moving to a new facility still within Peterhead, I can only assume that's where the clip is recorded.

I remember that the SAS going in wasn't really that big on the news. I think back then the media were constrained when covering the SAS missions for security reasons. But this was a very clear example of taking control of an apparently out of control situation using professionals that can get the job done.

My partner, a nurse, had to manager a prison officer who was held hostage. He was completely broken by PTSD. Awful to see.

You say at least it's by the water, I did a little bit of time in that place just over 10 years ago and it's one of the coldest and windy places I've ever been. It was a traditional Victorian style prison with no toilets or running water in the cells. It's the kind of place that does make you reevaluate the choices you've made and lifestyle you've been living.

The trainers they use are HiTec Silver Shadows, standard issue from the MOD.

There are stress tests on oil rigs with two skinny SBS "don't leave your room" they'll climb up the legs somehow.

You do not stab a warder several times and not expect a fight too free him. Well done the SAS. When they act they act and if you do not want them too hit you do not start what ever they are used for. ❤😂

I an assure you that when the SAS were getting “activated” nobody would know about it.

I've been in SPS EDINBURGH before it was refurbished, not even a light switch in cell, had to use a pp9 battery for powering a radio.

booby traps could be anything from Home Alone stuff to wires being attached to metal prison door handles such that the person opening the door would be electrocuted. Real nice guys these lot.

Even the gangsters ain't gangsta when the SAS arrive.

I went to hear a talk from Jackie Stuart at Peterhead Prison (its a museum now) really fascinating guy

At least it’s near the water 😂 closest the inmates got to water was the toilets and basin.

I knew a few prisoners who were involved in this. I knew Sammy The Bear or Samo, he had the officer on a chain and the officer was pleading with him "Please Samo, don't throw me off the roof." One or two others missing being named are Andy Walker who was a soldier who killed 3 fellow soldiers in a military wages robbery and John Gallagher both now dead. All three I counted as friends and I knew a couple more involved. Peterhead was a brutal prison and the inmates could only take so much as they were not exactly soft prisoners to say the least and Peterhead was very hard to get to for visits. Tobin was long after this era and it was a beast protection prison by that time.

Regarding bootstraps,I think they ripped out electrical wires and “lived” the steel gates and doorways etc

im local to the area, back then the main road into peterhead actually went past the prison, when we were getting taken to school on the bus we used to jeer and give the rioters the finger as we passed. re the prison building theres a small railway museum where they have one of the actual carriages that was used to transport the convicts to the quarry. back then the guards actually had swords lol. as for the guard he went to work in aberdeen prison before becoming a guide back in peterhead.

NICE!

The C130 show is the most recent model upgrade.

When I did senior Brecon one of the guys on the course who was a trooper during this incident told me that they viewed it as a training exercise, something you might or might not know is that the SAS or “the regiment “ as they refer it to is that they have to do junior and senior Brecon for promotion, just like the rest of the infantry and they hate it but they have good stories 😊

For the most part firearms capability at this time would've been authorised officers returning to the station to book out a revolver and 6\12 rounds of ammunition, bigger stations may have a couple of shotguns for destroying injured or dangerous animals. One force only allowed officers to load the revolvers once they'd come under fire. Some larger forces such as the Met had a on call team of instructors for things like sieges & trials.

The prison is now a museum

The cons never knew what hit them even though prisoners from other halls were shouting warnings to them and some were knocked out and thrown over the landings. First and last time the SAS will ever be involved in this type of op, all due to Thatcher who thought they were her boys.

Back in those days there wasn’t any armed units within the police,or “riot police” just bobbys with handcuffs and nightsticks(batons)

Try a paper called the Daily Record?? It's a Scottish paper and go to the date and you will find stuff.

If the rioters were informed that the SAS were going in they probably would have stopped.

there are several interviews with sas members that were on this raid available on youtube.

There's an old school documentary with some footage and Interviews from the prison guards and people that were there

People in the UK have always known about the SAS, they are world renowned since their formation during WWII

@laserpanda94

2 күн бұрын

I think he meant they were more prominent in the public consciousness following the embassy siege. People were always aware they existed but now they had a distinct, high-profile, modern event that ordinary people associated them with.

what did these men expect from the SAS. tea and cake while the SAS tells each man sorry i gave you a scratch. they did have every reason to be hard on these men in the jail

It didn't make big headlines in the UK or Scotland, I live 1 & 1/2hr drive away. The SAS is an umbrella name for any SF/Elite troops being used on British soil. The press and public don't know any better. I didn't know these soldiers were sent in, untill I watched this video on KZread.

I used to wear a pair of hitec silver shadow in the mid 80s 😂😂

A friend of mine was involved in this raid. They hammered the so called hard conns that didn’t know what hit them. There’s pretend hard men and real hard men. Don’t fk with the regiment, they’ll destroy you.😬

The old prison is now a museum, a new prison was built next to it a few years ago.

Peterhead prison now a museum and can see what they showed sas using

I remember watching this on the news at the time. It was a big news item. I don't remember it being said at the time the SAS were involved, just that soldiers were sent in. If you see the picture at 14:58 you know someone's going to have a bad day. Mrs T and the SAS.

@mauricestevenson5740

18 сағат бұрын

I suspect that photo is from after the Iranian Embassy raid.

The prisoners were bloody lucky to get away with a few bruises. I think I'd have said thanks for leaving me alive.

how dare they try and accuse the SAS of heavy handed tactics, they are doing a job to save lives from these prisoners who let's face it are lucky to be alive after what they have done to others

If you are a criminal that commits bad enough crimes to go here, only to take part in a riot with hostages, one of whom you are planning to set fire to, I don't think you can cry when the SAS knock your around a bit. Soldier T showed restraint by even bothering with the baton, and not going straight to the Browning.

The government was asked to end the situation and without any death , the government complied with that request, however this and several other riots at other prisons did create enough of a stir in the UK that prison reform happened and for me I appreciate them ( the inmates ) for the prison system we have now , I can only speak of the HMP's I have been to , we don't have share a cell with upto 3 other people and have to do your business in a bucket you have to share between you in a 12ft by 6ft cell , I've personally gone through it.

S.A.S. should stand for Scary Ass Soldiers 😂...

A very interesting video. I've recently been on a group holiday to a Greek island with an uncle of the Warrant Office First Class of the SAS (their highest rank), who I know was involved in the Iranian Embassy rescue. The next time I get the chance, I'll have to ask this chap if his nephew was involved in this rescue too. I won't mention the officers name, but anyone who's been in the 22nd over the last 27 years or so will probably know who I'm on about.

My mate was part of the Peterhead riot,The SAS where inside the roof and my mate and the other Cons didn't know,? Also inside when fighting with the Lifers they were saying get in your Cell or over you go and you landed on a grill ,Nowadays Peterhead is for Beasts.