British army in 2030:"Why do we exist...just to suffer"

@SooSneeky

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that's been the British Army for some time now.

@zenbright9213

3 жыл бұрын

You feel it to

@Marinealver

3 жыл бұрын

Biden to American servicemen and women. "You are a dull crowd, Clap You Idiots!"

@user-mz2yh6qz7y

3 жыл бұрын

2030 Headline: "British army to retire firearms and all vehicles, in favour of becoming another arm of the US military"

@ksztyrix

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-mz2yh6qz7y UK is puppet state so they can just cut cost and disband their military and replace it by US military

A moment of silence for the warriors

@russellmiles2861

3 жыл бұрын

The FV432 contributed much more to Western security and deserves more honour.

@casematecardinal

3 жыл бұрын

Well they can always buy Bradleys

@russellmiles2861

3 жыл бұрын

@@casematecardinal they don't make Bradley's any more...well, haven't for over a generation. But as the US Army is disposing of some you might get them as surplus.

@cpeezy3119

3 жыл бұрын

And Squad devs

@scratchy996

3 жыл бұрын

Good news, it looks like the Ajax has some serious problems, so the Warrior will live on !

This video feels like someone important to matsimus died.

@Historyfan476AD

3 жыл бұрын

Well in a way the Warrior was the buddy which saved his life many times. So it kind of is in a way. Like saying goodbye to a long term pet or first car.

@limescaleonetwo3131

3 жыл бұрын

There is no parallel - the age of the Warrior is coming to an end

@chrishooge3442

3 жыл бұрын

I can't imagine that these won't end up being sold into the global market. There should be jobs for maintaining and refurbishing them for the secondary market.

@spudz7405

3 жыл бұрын

I can hear the pain and sadness in his voice

Well we know what to crowdfund for now😁 but on a real note, it’s sad to see such a stalwart of the British army hang up the towel😢

@davidty2006

3 жыл бұрын

Well thing is for some reason the british army does sell these vehicles (without ammunition includded) for civilian use. I have mainly seen Scimitar's and Scorpions with the odd Abbot but still possible.

@sneeky6869

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidty2006 my airsoft field has one that they drive around!

@matthewyoung9828

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidty2006 locally we have an abbot gun a cent apc and a scorpion

@robertwillis4061

3 жыл бұрын

Don't think there are many civvi owned loose in Scotland. If your government hears about them they will freak out. Can't have the peasants with better equipment than the Police

@hanzsolo5460

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertwillis4061 here in the us we can buy tanks and shit. Can you really not own anything like that there ?

In Army Cadets they took us for a spin around the local base in a Warrior back in 1990. Fond memory. :).

RIP Warrior, you served many proud! Thanks for the video Matt!

@BENKYism

3 жыл бұрын

But the RARDEN always sucked

@ThatHonestGuy

3 жыл бұрын

@Leslie Dodds Northern Ireland?

@AbuHajarAlBugatti

3 жыл бұрын

Drones are the future of Warfare. Look how it took just 2 weeks for all heavy weaponry and 2/3 of all tanks to be destroyed by drones in Nagorno Karabak by azerbaijan

@AbuHajarAlBugatti

3 жыл бұрын

@Leslie Dodds not even needed. Just put sodium fluoride in the drinking water and toothpaste and toxic pesticides into the food and low frequency towers everywhere snd the dumb population will slowly die that way

@AbuHajarAlBugatti

3 жыл бұрын

@Leslie Dodds sure. Just saying that anyone crying after the loss of this IFV doesent know jack shit about modern and future Warfare. Tanks will be either phased out completely or replaced with autonomous high calibre drones packing 130-140mm selfloading guns

I love the Warriors. They are the only IFV that has enough ground clearance to clear a parking curb and wide track for off road. The way it should be.

The Warrior and Bradley like that one scene from the SpongeBob movie were they about to dry out to death... but no way to save them. Best friends together, never really had rivalry (like the MBTs do, that turn violent in chat groups), and had had reports of complimenting each other when in joint operations.

@nikola12nis

3 жыл бұрын

Well that's because both Bradley and Warrior were support vehicles, not the MBT CHAD FIST OF THE FRONTAL ASSAULT type. Probably the same goes for the fanbase of both. Support characters :D

@classifiedad1

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think the Bradley family is going away though, since they've just taken the turret off of a Bradley and called it the AMPV, and the chassis is used in the M270 MLRS. Here's to hoping the Bradley will fade more gracefully.

@kellerweskier7214

3 жыл бұрын

@@classifiedad1 iv been seeing alot for its replacment. Nothing official, but, the Pentagon has been upgrading aircraft, the M1, equipment, and so much more in the past 6 years. The Bradley is a fine platform today, though, all actual APC and troop transporting is done via STRYKER or HMMWV. But then the M113 SOMEHOW resurrected. Theres currently 5,000 M113A2/A3s in US service. The AMPV is a replacment of the M113, with the Bradley turretless. A good thing to do. But, Army has been looking for better ways to make a better IFV/AFV since 1999. It started with the GCV-IFV, then the FFV, then the NGCV, which seems to be the one that will have a atleast 2 prototypes ready by 2022 to fiend by 2028 if there is no setbacks with demand of fielding at latest 2035.

@classifiedad1

3 жыл бұрын

@@kellerweskier7214 Yeah. Bradley may not be the latest, but it still gets the job done, and does it about as reasonably well as an 80's vehicle upgraded to the limits imposed by a Congressional budget committee.

@pepperedash4424

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a Goofy Goober Yeah!

I know that feeling. Trained on 105 m101a1s, shot thousands of rounds through them, our 105s got sent to (opsec redacted) and we got m114 155m pigs. Just when we got used to them we went to m198s 155s. We got damn good with those, ended up training other units on how to use them, then got the word that our battery was disbanded and would become a Battalion HQ unit. Was going to re-enlist but the USMC was scaling back on cannon artillery. Sad days.

@michaelpettersson4919

3 жыл бұрын

Ouch. Such a waste.

Meanwhile German Marder IVF did celebrate it's 50th birthday and will fortunately receive one last upgrade before retiring in 2030.

@karlvongazenberg8398

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and more importantly the Marder is phased out for the Puma.

@marneus

3 жыл бұрын

Probably replaced by the ASCOD 2 too!

@marneus

3 жыл бұрын

@Dodo So they choose an inferior design?

@marneus

3 жыл бұрын

@Dodo LOL, yeah, that's why everyone else is buying ASCOD.

@marneus

3 жыл бұрын

@Dodo You forgot the UK, Philippines and the USA. Oh, and I wouldn't be so sure about the Czech republic... they want the good IFV...

How old do I feel now? I can remember the celebrations when Warrior was brought into service.

@russellmiles2861

3 жыл бұрын

I trained in M113; come to think of it my nephew did too. This warhorse has far outlived the Warrior; still in service around the World and will be long after the Warriors are forgotten scrap

@stevenbreach2561

3 жыл бұрын

@@russellmiles2861 Brits talking,not interested

@russellmiles2861

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenbreach2561 oh I wasn’t suggesting you should. The UK has lots of adequate wheeled armoured vehicles. That is what most modern armies are moving to

I thought you might have a tear for the old girl 😥

@maxiona714

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. I am German, but I have much respect to this vehicle. It was nearly the only vehicle that could actually put up a fight against the IFVs SPz Puma and SPz Marder.

Every steed, no matter how noble, will be laid to rest, but few had such a legacy as the Warrior

As a former gunner and commander of one of these beasts….. my heart is breaking. It could outstrip a Porsche from a standing start, 70mph in reverse, stop within its own body length from 50mph.

Aw, man. From what I know, she’s basically the British equivalent of the Bradley- which would be a vital part of any armored force.

@johngreen-sk4yk

3 жыл бұрын

Feels like the British government has decided to go for a downgraded company car fleet for the infantry ! going for an an apc with wheels is a backward step in mobilty done more for economy reasons! Its a Sad decision 🙁

@mwnciboo

3 жыл бұрын

Not even close...The Bradley was superior in almost everyway, from the gun system, ATGM, mobility....Warrior gun wasn't even stabilised.

@johngreen-sk4yk

3 жыл бұрын

@@mwnciboo the warriors chassis was alot better than Bradley's in mobility armour & speed, however the bradley had the better turret & armament, I think the desert warriors sold to Kuwait with lav 25 turrets were the best compromise.

@michaelpettersson4919

3 жыл бұрын

Considering what kind of forces modern militaries been fighting lately, namely insurgents, top of the line equipment may not be needed. There are even calls for reintrodusing propeller driven air to ground attack craft due to this.

@michaelpettersson4919

3 жыл бұрын

@@mwnciboo Perhaps but their intended role are essentially the same.

Good to you getting your groove back! Great work and push on!

As a warrior gunner in the 2000s Iraq and afghan. I felt undergunned unsafe and underpowered. It was a death trap sat on a massive fuel tank. And being immobiliesed numerous occasions made that feeling even more confirmed.

@tommygun5038

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine the feeling in a less armored less mobile platform.

@RoperGaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@tommygun5038 I have. Snatch land rover lol

@tommygun5038

3 жыл бұрын

@@RoperGaming ...lol...yeah kinda like a Humvee with canvas doors.

@lordtemplar9274

3 жыл бұрын

@@tommygun5038 fyi ajax and boxer offer better protection vs modern threats

@tommygun5038

3 жыл бұрын

@@lordtemplar9274 .... .Maybe in an urban environment. But maneuvering is key in mechanized warfare.

Haven’t spoken to a tankie yet who’s been supportive of this.

@Marinealver

3 жыл бұрын

They are not the ones in charge of the budget

@spacemarinesruleall

3 жыл бұрын

Tankies don't really use it anyway. We leave them to the infantry

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623

3 жыл бұрын

@@Marinealver The deadliest enemy that the armed forces have faced, since like forever. The one that destroyed more ships, aircraft and units, the Treasury!

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623

3 жыл бұрын

@@spacemarinesruleall If the infantry can't keep up with the tankies in all terrains, tankies will be toast. That's how Rommel beat you guys so often.

@AxeBearingVoyager

3 жыл бұрын

@@spacemarinesruleall I meant armoured cav guys not RAC

Warrior maybe gone but will forever be in our hearts

Sadly, Warrior IFV is not the most loved vehicle even among military enthusiasts. There are many books on Bradley, and while the BMP series didn't get that many English books, there is a nice book in Russian (and since someone threw it onto the Net, it's even possible to read it Google Translated), and if you throw all three articles in Tankograd about the series in you have the makings of a nice book. I don't think I've seen a book on Warrior since Osprey made one for it, and they hadn't even turned it into an E-book, and the sites available are pretty superficial.

I was attached to 1BN Scots Guards in Hohne. We got Warrior in 89. For me, as REME personnel, it was a huge leap from the 434 to the 513 variant. The warrior was so much more reliable than 432’s, so on exercise, we had much less to do than normal. The vehicle crew’s really did benefit from the performance & ride quality on the warrior. On Saltau, I used to feel bad, (well, sort of), if you miss timed riding the bottom of a hill in a 434, as the crew in the back would get slammed when it bottomed out. The warrior absorbed all of that for a very smooth ride. During initial range testing, when we first received warrior, the armourers were kept very busy, sorting out & timing on the 7.62 gun, (can’t remember it's name). I have so many fond memories, more of my crew on the vehicle, rather than the warrior itself. However, it was much better for a kip in the hangers, next day, after a good night on the piss, when hiding from our tiffy.

Going to miss seeing these charging around the roads. Warrior always looks so "bad ass" to me and fit for purpose. And of course they came with the most vital piece of kit, a boiling vessel to make a bloody good cuppa.

This is indeed sad news Matt. As an American, I will feel the same when the last Bradley rolls off into the sunset. Vale good Warrior...

Love the channel Matt! I salute the Warrior!

It's very sad. My dad use to tell me stories about these things and I've always wanted to serve with one but I guess that's not gonna happen now. Gonna miss them

@curt6926

3 жыл бұрын

Look on the bright side, you will get the chance to try new maybye better weapon systems

Matt, I know that you spent time with these wonderful vehicles during your active service, so I know this was a "painful" video to make. But thank you for the information, and more importantly, thank you for your service.

Damn ! it got me at 2:13 hearing Matt's voice with all that sadness. I hope you're feeling better now mate

This reminds me of the story my boss told me one day. He was a green beret and served almong side the M60 and similar vehicles. Near the end he got to see the trials for the XM-1/M-1 and he was shocked. Seeing the tank they had so much confidence in and happily relied on being utterly beaten in every area. He said he knew his tank was going to retire soon, just like him. It was painful to think about but he could only hope the M-1 would serve the next generation as well as his tanks served with him.

Don’t worry. I hear they might be turning up production again on the Ram Kangaroos.

@jammiedodger7040

3 жыл бұрын

That’s never going to happen its base of the Sherman

Well, the warrior may be sadly going... But it means we're getting something better (would love to see us brits get something similar to the Stryker Platform)

@pilotactor777

3 жыл бұрын

Not always so.

@Marinealver

3 жыл бұрын

The EA6B has been replaced by a modified F-18 and many will say that isn't an upgrade. My 13 years experience in the military, getting a replacement doesn't necessarily mean they found something better, often times it means they found a lower bidder.

@pilotactor777

3 жыл бұрын

@@Marinealver SPOT ON

@99IronDuke

3 жыл бұрын

What is better that is replacing it you fool???

@Loubie2005

3 жыл бұрын

@@99IronDuke Did I make the decision to replace it ? No, I didn't

Back in the 90s I used to work for an engineering sub contractor that made parts for the Warrior and Saxon vehicles. We also made parts for the MRAV prototypes, when my folks asked me about my work, I could point to the TV reports from Bosnia etc and show them the parts we made. Never got to see the vehicles up close though.

This is GREAT NEWS!!!!! The next generation of British Soldiers deserves the best fighting vehicle possible and clinging to a vehicle for sentiment sake is how soldiers die in the next war. Get British soldiers the best vehicles possible full stop.

We were in a barracks in Celle (Germany), the home of our (then) 3rd Battalion back in the 90s. A Warrior suddenly went roaring across the MT yard at full throttle, seemingly straight towards the garages. "Watch this" our sergeant said. The driver then braked. Hard. The Warrior just stopped, but the rear went straight up in the air. Must've gone up to over 45°, before crashing back to the tarmac. Amazing

I'm thinking a portion of the warrior funding will go to the Challenger 3 upgrade. Besides, Warriors may get a new lease on life with other armed forces. The UK MoD will happily sell these just to recoup some funding.

I've always been obsessed with tanks, armored vehicles and sp guns but I absolutely hate mud so I guess its good I served in air defense lmao

@zxbzxbzxb1

3 жыл бұрын

Lol :D

I never understood why they would select wheels over tracks. Wouldn’t have been able to go half the places we got into in Afghanistan without tracks.

@EcchiRevenge

3 жыл бұрын

Today UK's military is basically focused on keeping up(physically) with u.s. military. Hence the switch to boxers, because they can just follow "closely" behind strykers.

@tommygun5038

3 жыл бұрын

You need tracks when they get too a certain weight. But wheeled vehicles are less maintenance and travel best on roads where a lot of patrols take place. They're also faster, quieter and take less fuel.

@classifiedad1

3 жыл бұрын

@@tommygun5038 And it’s not as if the UK didn’t use wheeled APCs at some point in time, like the Saracen and the Humbler Pig, albeit mainly as internal security vehicles.

@tommygun5038

3 жыл бұрын

@@classifiedad1 ...Right...but obviously you can't replace a tracked vehicle with a wheeled one. It would be like Bradley's being replaced by Strykers. So they must have something else planned.

@danielaramburo7648

3 жыл бұрын

Will the Boxer be made or assembled in the UK?

Warrior will always stay in our hearts.

Your experience of using Warrior is interesting, as 1 PWRR absolutely hated them when I was with them in 08. Undergunned, no room for dismounted troops with heavy amounts of kit, no dismount environmental control (65degrees C in the summer).....I could go on. All the lads wanted to go back to light role.

Warrior... such an apt name for all what the vehicle’s been through for all these years. May you retire in peace

I don't live in Britain, but I'm really sad to see the Warrior go. It's easily been one of my favorite IFVs since I got it in Armored Warfare, and they tried to develop the Warrior CSP so it could continue serving but even that got cancelled. It's too bad they couldn't have let the Warrior CSP continue, it would've been interesting to see how far the Warrior could've gone with those upgrades. I'd love the chance to see one in person at least.

I am Albanian 🇦🇱 and thank you Matsimus, your colleagues, and the Warrior for the service done in Kosovo 🇽🇰. You have saved many lives from ethnic cleansing! I remember seeing this vehicles under the NATO banner, and they would be remembered fondly as helping out the peace keepers during the yougoslavian wars. Cheers...

Meanwhile Sweden will buy more Cv90's both of the mortar variant and others. This is because the army goes from 5 mechaniced batallions to 10 and the 550 we got is not enough for that

@SA-xf1eb

3 жыл бұрын

Good!

@HanSolo__

3 жыл бұрын

Neat!

@tonyaughney8945

3 жыл бұрын

A great vehicle. Worked with them in UNMIL with Södermanlands Regemente P10. Good guys. Wish we had something like it. 10 pansar Battalions? Where are you getting all the Strv122's?

@AdurianJ

3 жыл бұрын

@@tonyaughney8945 Not all battalions will have tanks only the original five will keep theirs the others will be pure mechanized battalions with CV90's only. More tanks would be nice and might come about if the government changes in the 2022 election but the army grows a lot in the next five years so it has it's hands full either way. One Ranger One Marine Two infantry and One artillery regiments are being stood up (reactivated). The army is going from two brigades to four brigades a smaller battle-group and a divisional structure. A number of territorial battalions will also be stood up re-creating the level between the Maneuver battalions/brigades and the Home guard. These units will be motorized infantry battalions probably in soft skinned vehicles so far five of those have been announced but i would not be surprised if we get more of them. The new regiments will fill a vacuum in the middle of the country where today there is almost no military presence but the important road and rail links to Trondheim lay.

Everyone is chomping at the bit to 'cancel' various armored vehicles. Hope you keep the blueprints handy.

@Historyfan476AD

3 жыл бұрын

To much faith in the Drones i reckon, I'm not convinced Drones are the wonder weapon people keep thinking they are.

@aymonfoxc1442

3 жыл бұрын

@@Historyfan476AD Not just drones but new missiles and soon lasers on aircraft. Vehicles on the ground are going to be relying on speed and friendly air superiority a lot during the technological transitional years until they too can field such weapons.

@Historyfan476AD

3 жыл бұрын

@@aymonfoxc1442 Well Laser are not as amazing as tv would make you think they are. Not in an atmosphere, and there are counters to them. Smart missiles well they have counters to, and no Army would be stupid enough to send their ground units into combat without proper AA protection. Air superiority is never a confirmed thing, Yes NATO has had it fighting our enemies for the last few decades, but our enemies then where not exactly first class either. China though now they could be a real danger to our air power.

@Weakeyedominant

3 жыл бұрын

@@Historyfan476AD Drones are a game changer but they serve a completely different role and both are required in credible numbers to be a deterent. The government pushed by the mainstream media has no desire to fund it though then act outraged when Russia invades Ukraine and China claims the entire South China Sea, strip hk citizens of rights and liberties and will soon find an excuse to invade Taiwan without the US intervening.

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

@@Historyfan476AD too much dependency on technology would only make it a weakness rather than strength. Espionage and cyberwarfare will render drones useless.

I feel old as I remeber when these entered service. Saw them excel in the Gulf (first one) and in Bosnia/Kosovo. In my job as a tank transporter driver I also got to drive them quite a bit. Very reliable (for a tracked vehicle) and as an upgrade from the AFV 432 were a major step-up in capability. It would be nice to see Warrior soldier on for another couple of decades, but I think that, as in many cases, and upgrade may not be the best decision. With an upgrade you are basically trying to put stuff in a vehicle that it was not orginally designed to contain. All well and good, but the sheer number of upgades they were trying to put in Warrior meant (I suspect) that space in the back will be getting ever tighter, whereas with Boxer it was designed to do this from the word go. You must also rember that wheeled AFV's are far more versatile than tracks in that they rely far less on things like tank transporters and rail to get them to where they are needed and are, in general, far more reliable. 33 Years in services is a highly commendable record and as to where they go next, I suspect Jordan will have them, as they did with the UK Challenger 1 fleet. They may even have them upgraded before entering service there!

Hi, my father worked on the original design team at GKN at Telford and was so proud of the vehicle and his part in trial vehicles, he enjoyed his trips down to Chelsea barracks where he met with army personnel to discuss the design and put their ideas into the final IFV, we must improve to keep up with the Russians.

Was in Germany in 89 and our enemy was the Black Watch, newly equipped and working up to readiness in the warrior. We were in awe of the awesome capabilities of the machine (including accidentally running over one of our landrovers, squashing it flat)

Brittish armed forces are sadly very undermanned and under equipped now compared to the numbers we had during the gulf war and the war on terror. Less than 150 tanks now, and getting rid of our tracked IFV's. I thought we were trying to build up our armed forces because of the threats going on in the world lately.

@sargesacker2599

3 жыл бұрын

The way I see it the British government are prioritising the navy and airforce over the army, with Britain being an island nation and all. But downsizing the army this much is too far.

@wolfyys

3 жыл бұрын

@@sargesacker2599 Add to that they are downsizing when the army already has a retention crisis 10 years in a row.

@Marinealver

3 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, the US is going through another Drawdown and not Restructuring, I think they are calling it Reimagining.

@davidty2006

3 жыл бұрын

Army was decent in size now it's pathetic because budget cuts. Think all the money now went into 2 carriers and all the aircraft for them. despite i feel like just another Type 45 upgrade to be able to launch and retrive F35's will do but ok.

Hopefully one or two of the trials LM warriors will end up in the Bovington Tank Museum

It's a bitter pill to swallow for our Warrior crew.

The cynic in me always think new politicians new projects (new bribes????) get the feeling they gave the army the choice of it or Challenger 3.

@Marinealver

3 жыл бұрын

Cheaper Budget...

Drove one for 7 months in Op Telic 8. Loved it. Not surprised it’s being retired. A very labour intensive vehicle. Great vehicle but needed to much modernisation.

i joined the UK army about 6 months ago and still im getting all my news from Matsimus

Wouldn't it be better if they were stored? They are still pretty good IFVs and could do much to support militias, partisans and could be used if all more modern IFVs are down.

Had my life saved by one, once. Sad day indeed.

the warriors a brilliant battlefield bus. really looking forward to you upcoming video on this lovely old girl.

Matt is going to have to make more room in his garage for more surplus. I was working a rail yard in swift current SK CDA spotted a bunch of them on rail cars. Got snuck up upon by a British soldier and a rail cop asking what i was doing. They were pretty cool with it in the end. Got a bit of tour of it.

The lessons learned from the Warrior upgrade program will be carried forward. The weapon integration, battlefield requirements, changing roles and needs of armoured infantry. It is all knowledge gained that points towards a move away from Warrior. I spent 12 years and two tours with Warrior and have a similar soft spot for it, but modernisation is key to the military and the British Army has been decades behind in tech for a long long time. Wheeled, modular IFVs designed with modern hybrid warfare in mind are the future. Coldwar designs have to go. I hope the CTWS is still put into use because being an armourer, it makes my balls swell.

@rhyshansford2288

2 жыл бұрын

If you could tell that to the guys on the Ajax program that would be great cos they didn’t get the memo! Pretty sure that defence procurement are relooking at the re-turret option for warrior and cancelling Ajax right now.

@gunfaceUK

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhyshansford2288 Jesus really? Well if Ajax is shit they may have to flush the project. So many good bits of kit out there that our allies use that we could too, but noooo the UK thinks in 1800-1950.

@Weakeyedominant

2 жыл бұрын

Lessons are never learned in the MOD. The project has been botched from day 1 so civil servants can pick up well paid jobs in the defense industry. LM never should have been awarded the contract to integrate the turret when BAE manufactured the CTA canon. Ajax was another disaster where problems with the turret and chasis where all suppressed until to much money had been wasted to cancel.

@eddiel7635

2 жыл бұрын

Out of interest, why is everyone still trying to pretend that the army needs to be set up for ‘modern’ hybrid warfare so now we can’t even fight a conventional peer on peer war. Can we start thinking about how the armed forces are best set up to fight China and Russia please. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Weakeyedominant

2 жыл бұрын

@@eddiel7635 our geography is the main reason. We are on the far side of Europe which means troops need to deploy and have logistical support for thousands of miles to fight either Russia or in the middle east. During the cold war Russia was considered to be the only serious threat which is why it was based in Germany. Now troops are far more likely to be deployed to the middle east for actual combat and for that they need to be deployable which means medium armour, mine protection and a lot of logistics vehicles on top of armour which reduces the number of vehicles we can field. Even against Russia I think Poland, Germany and eastern Europe should be providing the heavy armour and the UK should focus on air dominance which would decimate heavy armour from a distance. Once it's gone medium armour can be used to deploy troops and hold ground.

My grandad retired from working at the Ludgershall depot in the late ‘80s and gave my Dad and me a tour of the place not long after. We were driven around the test track in a Warrior which must have been pretty new at the time and my Dad even got a go driving it. I’m not sure the test driver from Vickers who was supervising him whilst perched nonchalantly on the front of the turret was expecting him to drive it quite as vigorously as he did, my Dad claimed afterwards that it wasn’t all that different to the airport pushback tugs he’d previously driven. I’m certainly sad to see them go, is the capability going to be replaced in any meaningful way or are we giving up on having a coherent armoured fighting force?

Shocking and such a waste of taxpayers money on the upgrade program.

I think the decision to put MechInfantry on wheels reflects the fact that they are no longer based in Germany. The British army now needs to be able to move itself strategic distances, potentially at very short notice. The Challys will always have to go by rail or TT of course but having IFVs that have the ability to self-deploy will be very handy. It's what they used to have the Saxons for during the cold war. Though unlike Saxon, Boxer can actually be a useful fighting vehicle once it arrives, not just a battle bus. I would like to see us get an AJAX IFV variant in future though.

Never replace anything until you have an actual working replacement.

Lets help matsimus start a gofundme to acquire a military surplus warrior!

Sad to say goodbye, Warrior has served us proudly and will be missed. There is a particular elegance about this fantastic fighting machine.

I worked for 7yrs on wcsp working on the EA, developing and integrating at blackwood, ampthill and bovington. I got fed up working on it for quite a few reasons and when I quit I told my manager I thought it was a waste of money and time. Just over a year later I was proved right.

And yet I still saw a 432 (variant) on a recent exercise......

Bless you Matsimus, the emotion in your voice 😭❤️

This IFV took RPG rocket and still manage to drive back to base while carry out wounded British soldier.

When you say "British armoured infantry" you immediately think "Warrior"

Drove/Gunned and Commanded them in the Gulf/Bosnia/Germany/Canada saved our asses on so many occasions. We used to literally handbrake turn them into our Gornji Vakuf base. Holding the brake peddle and accelerating at the same time whilst it would start to climb up to the sky and then you’d let the brake peddle go and it would take off like a rocket 🚀. I learned to drive it in Bovington I’ve got some great pictures of them on my office wall in Canada. I’m older now but man you used to think you were invisible in this beast. I’d love to have one for taking people for a ride across the open fields in Canada just to show them the shear power and how it just floated across undulating ground.

One would think with all the R&D moolah spent thus far, that new turret should find its' way onto a Boxer IFV module - but it really does need an ATGM launcher! Alternately, the existing old turrets, with refurbishment and FCS upgrades could be used for Boxer modules, while the Warrior chassis go into storage against unforeseen future demand. Ultimately, 8x8s as battle taxis can carry more infantry, represent operating cost savings, and have strategic transport advantages, yet when it comes to being able to fully exploit terrain, and maneuver tactically on the forward edge of battle, tracked IFVs are simply in another class. MoD will probably keep a regiment or two active for the heavy brigades much longer than the predicted phase out.

Seems a good one for keeping in storage, would still serve a purpose if we needed a quick expansion. That or friendly poorer nations could use them.

I always have concerns when tracked vehicles with excellent cross country performance are replaced by wheeled vehicles with higher ground pressure.

It will be sad too see them go...

What about “our” 512’s and 513’s. I’ve been tryin to find out since the news broke. Surely reme still has a role for them in the Eccp or supporting chally alongside the crarrv???

you feeling alright mat? you sound sick, hope you get better soon :)

Sick intro!!

I'm joining he fusiliers on the 4th july if everything goes well little shame my whole career wont be in the warrior but still excited to possibly be a part of the British army.

@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming

3 жыл бұрын

OAFAF

Why would they not just finish the contract?

@fedup08

3 жыл бұрын

I,am ex RAF the government shafted us with the Nimrod rebuilds spent millions got them under going flight test almost ready to return to service,then cancelled the whole idea so scrapped them ,retired the rest.

Worked on WCSP for 6 years. Best time of my working life! 2 months from completing reliability trials, and the project gets cancelled😡

Latvia is kicking itself for investing in the CVRT when they probably could’ve had these instead 😭

I first really served with Warrior in GW1, it was still a new thing then. Still a good bit of kit now.

Hey, I send you a hug, you can deal with this and more!

I was part of the team doing some of the trials on this vehicle way back in the 80s down on Salisbury plane when it was still known as Mcv80 very sad news the new turret looked like it was going to be a great upgrade

I'm so tired of governments "fixing" things that don't need fixed. If it works don't mess with it!!!!

I am still waiting for a track vehilce, that can take moduls of the Boxer GTK. So you can improve the platforms and the moduls independ.

I think some countries would like to have some of that hardware since you're adapting new toys.

@phillipmorel5116

3 жыл бұрын

Taiwan in perticular

How about an IFV version of the Ajax family?

Damn, and just after y'all finally put stabilizers in them. :(

As a German I can say that the Boxer does not replace a classical IFV. We dont build the PUMA for no reason and ordered almost 2/3 as many as boxers we have

Mate you ever participated in a Bright Star exercise ? I am asking to know your feedback on all the hype of wheeled IFVs going around right now. For the Egyptian landscape which is mostly open flat deserts and rocky mountains, which is more beneficial; wheeled or tracked?

One key thing Britain has learned we should never give up on skills and industries again as we all most Lost everything it will take about 2 decades to build British industries and skills back up and this time we need to keep them skills and industries as we may not have another opportunity and if we don’t start learning the skills and industries again we may have no choice but to buy foreign vehicles like the Leopard instead of the Challenger

@jansix4287

3 жыл бұрын

Have you learned it, because I can only see you selling ARM Limited to Softbank?

I was a gunner for years., Thank god it’s going. It was outdated years ago. Hand cranking the sights up, down, left right to tighten the chains after every shot was a joke. NBC systems never worked. Hatch seals never stuck. Tracks came off, couldn’t fire on the move. Chain gun always jammed. It was a pile of crap compared to other Countries who were and are decades ahead already with their IFV’s. Good riddance to a giant metal coffin.

With Ajax basically cancelled the warrior upgrade could be back on! With the new turret (minus the crazy cased telescoped ammo., which is Too expensive and novel) the warrior and Boxer variants would be good to go along with chally 3’s

@ 3:55 i havent seen that comic for bloody ages 😂

I think there is a fundamental mistake that the British often make in developing our weapons systems/ equipment. We have certain specific requirements that not all other countries share, for example the emphasis placed on armour and protection above all else, and (until this month) the use of a 120mm rifled gun. These specific requirements gave us specific British equipment. It might be excellent - but there is little chance of export sales, which means unit costs are always high...and consequently we get fewer of them. An example would be mounting ATGMs on personnel carriers. British doctrine doesn't go for this... but other countries don't share this view...and want APCs that that can engage MBTs if they come across them. A bolt on package might have sufficed for this, and making some changes to the basic design would probably not have materially effected its use by the British. The excellent/ perfect became the enemy of the bloody good. Perhaps designing more "generic" kit that could be easily adapted to meet other army's needs, might be a way to reduce unit cost and extend production runs .

Every warrior's story must come to an end. It is unfortunate but seeing service for more than 30 years, its had a good run. I imagine there will be a new tracked IFV somewhere along the line as the boxer is great but it's big and it's wheels won't be able to take it everywhere. Seeing the warrior go is indeed sad but its time to let the workhorse rest

My old man was part of SFOR in Bosnia with the Army Air Corps. He helped repair a Warrior that had thrown a track and was allowed to drive it around a field a couple times. It might've been his only experience with the vehicle but he'll miss them rumbling across Salisbury Plain.

Afaic judge, the previously envisaged WCSP for 380 platforms (including re 245 of them the additional WFLIP that involved up-gunning to a stabilised 40mm main armament weapon), would've resulted in the army retaining a significantly more capable AFV until 2040 than will now be provided in the wheeled 'Boxer'. Even including the proposed variant (if any ever materialise) equipped with the CTAS 40mm gun, which in any case is the same as was designated under WFLIP. So in short, looks like yet again our metro-trash establishment simply cannot have too much "Yoowup". Irrespective of how many better alternatives there are. Even ones that themselves include significant European elements when their capability justifies that option on purely objective grounds, but are STILL, it seems, destined to be rejected if even more "Yoowup" can be obtained by opting for something else instead.

As a German I am kind of worried by this decision, because the warrior wasn‘t even that old. But I understand the logic behind it…

@wudruffwildcard252

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly maintenance cost for tracked vehicles are far greater than for wheeled vehicles, and Britain wants to free up money for their strengths…

@wudruffwildcard252

3 жыл бұрын

Which are , air force, naval force, and let’s name it digital force/ or digital warfare. Yet Germany has strengthened it most vital role in NATO the last years…

@wudruffwildcard252

3 жыл бұрын

As an almost landlocked country Germany‘s ground troops are the strongest in 30 years, with Boxer, Leopard 2A7V and the now VJTF ready Puma. Division of labor works! 😌

The Challenger 3 progam the expense acrtually put the Boxer acquisition BACK by abou= 5 years. What to do with redundant Waririor. As for Challenger Put a new turret on it then use them (which i forward compaytible wth Boxer and Ajax) as dedcoys to protect Challenger (both in drone mode) and or to draw fire thus enabling ISTAR assets to target the naughty people ands call down A90 fire on them.