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@MisterNi

Ай бұрын

Way to keep yourself irrelevant with that last line. 😄

@m.a.4500

Ай бұрын

Background music is too loud and distracting.

Next episode suggestions: Britain’s Vietnam war II: emergency in Malaya, the Netherlands’ Vietnam war: The Indonesian national revolution

@patavinity1262

Ай бұрын

I guess if either of those wars had taken place in Vietnam those suggestions might make sense.

@Chriskyleisarat

Ай бұрын

@@patavinity1262 well even if those wars didn’t take place in Vietnam, it still makes sense because it takes place in the same type of environment and it’s the same type of warfare

@nemo6686

Ай бұрын

@@Chriskyleisarat By that logic you could also say Vietnam was America's Indonesia, and Indonesia was the Netherlands' Malaya - why default to Vietnam for jungle guerrilla warfare?

@SEAZNDragon

Ай бұрын

The Malayan Emergency is often called Britain’s Vietnam as they were fighting a Communist insurgency in Southeast Asia. It’s also considered one of the most successful counter insurgency wars as the Malayan Communist Party was defeated on all counts.

@ShubhamMishrabro

Ай бұрын

Vietnam war means where a huge country is stopped by guerrilla warfare. Only few countries have overcome it ​@@patavinity1262

This is one of those instances of history being stranger than fiction

@realtimehistory

Ай бұрын

agreed

@superbananas7792

Ай бұрын

Well it's not too strange.

@williamwilson2270

Ай бұрын

It is nothing more than French and English Colonialism forced through vile violence, corruption and criminal acts against the Vietnam citizens who were beaten, murdered and imprisoned simply for demanding their own country back after the Japanese then English Colonial greed and enslavement. It is the defeat of the French despite the English and post war Japanese alliances with unwilling Indian and Ghurka troops to help passing the nationalist Vietnim bands fighting this illegal and cruel despotic European control of the Vietnamese people. Even those Scots within the British contingent were unwilling to be involved in this post war butchery in Vietnam and Cambonian nations to maintain the same greedy corruption of the French and English that England's elitist and vile Wealthy and powerful also had maintained within Scotland and the Indian Continent. Scotland today is treated as no more than a Colonial vassal nation under English plundering misrule. India and Pakistan are free today and Vietnam has become a communist state with few modern or Civillian freedoms under the absolute communist rule it does not deserve any more than Scotland deserves English greed and London based misrule. Our world is messed up and will only improve if there is an end to English, French and other foreign Colonial controls, while communism is and remains a false form of progressive government misrule. Karl Marx and Engel birthed a Monster long ago that while they attempted to create universal freedoms, they miscarried a cruel and elitist power base no better than Capitalism as a parasitic form of civil control that simply does not work anywhere. Are the Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian or Cuban peoples for instance Happy citizens of their nations?

@albetrosxcore3028

11 күн бұрын

​@@superbananas7792 It was for the time. Kinda

And they said The Avengers was the most ambitious cross over of all time 😏

@InfamousMax

Ай бұрын

OUTSTANDING! 👏👏👏

@balabanasireti

Ай бұрын

Use some new jokes 😢

@briantonkin7737

Ай бұрын

The battle of Castle Itter, still takes the historical cake

@orange8420

Ай бұрын

buddy never heard of nigerian civil war

@briantonkin7737

Ай бұрын

@@orange8420 tbf, anything in Nigeria takes a "justice league unlimited" level of participation

Going from friends to enemies, and enemies to friends. Fighting for oppressors to oppress others, while they oppress you at home. Wild.

@gringogreen4719

Ай бұрын

John F Kennedy was actually in Saigon after Dien Bien Phu and could hear the French retreat back to Saigon by the Viet Minh and he thought even then that the US should not oppose the Northern Vietnamese and that South Vietnam was pretty corrupt.

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

Nothing new the Americans set the Germans up with all the military equipment then changed sides in World War I

@nledaig

5 күн бұрын

Uk was an imperial exploiter and they had a shared interest with the Frog-eaters and Sons-of-Nippon in keeping people like the Vietnamese down

Fascinating, I had no idea about our involvement in Vietnam! And they call Korea, "the forgotten war".

@wotwot6868

28 күн бұрын

And it is your responsibility to let this be known.. your own education system hides this. And your nation also created education system in colonized territory to hide this.

Gracey must have been accused of 'partiality', not impartiality.

@garypulliam3421

Ай бұрын

Came here to say this.

@richardhart9204

Ай бұрын

@@garypulliam3421 I suspect the narrator and producers of this channel are not native-English speakers.

@stpancraschapel2136

Ай бұрын

@@richardhart9204nor overly troubled by conventional historical accounts.

@1112viggo

Ай бұрын

@@richardhart9204 Well, if the mistake stands alone id assume it was just a slip of the tongue that no one in the production picked up on. I mean even the Bible have typos, think how many people must have looked that over before release and never noticed. The brain has a weird way of just automatically correcting small mistakes in speech and writing without you being consciously aware of it.

@robertridley-fj8zz

27 күн бұрын

Also, in the thumbnail "Operation Masterdom"?

'Vietnam? Completed it m8'

Thank you for sharing this excellent video with all of us, Jesse.

It should be illegal to prevent a letter like that from getting to the president

@jurgschupbach3059

Ай бұрын

Siam is Secure

@WaterShowsProd

Ай бұрын

Indeed, but that was because The Ambassador sided with Pridi Bhanomyong rather than with Phibul Songkhram, and proposed support of Pridi's Seri Thai operaion to disrupt Japanese activity and aid in the push to drive them out of Southeast Asia. The declartion of war may not have been officially delivered, but the fact that a declaration had been sent I don't believe was kept secret from The President. @@jurgschupbach3059

@markgarrett3647

Ай бұрын

Thankfully comrade Ho didn't even get a chance to deceive Truman with empty leftist rhetoric.

@rich453

Ай бұрын

No, it needed to be read by Truman, Ho cited the US Declaration of Independence when he declared Vietnamese independence.

@recoil53

Ай бұрын

Ho Chi Mihn and Mao both wanted to work with America. The whole Cold War could have been fought much more cheaply if pragmatism reigned.

Real Time History is the very first channel ever talked about this particular period of the Indochina/Vietnam Wars. Thank you for giving us a glimpse into this incredibly chaotic era, which continued well into the 50s until the consolidation of power under Diệm.

@DarrenMarsh-kx8hd

Ай бұрын

The History Chap released a video on this ages ago.

@quano5409

Ай бұрын

@@DarrenMarsh-kx8hd awesome, another channel to binge. Seems to be British-centric I see, which I have limited knowledge about unfortunately.

@DarrenMarsh-kx8hd

Ай бұрын

@quano5409 he's quite entertaining, I cannot believe how little was taught in school after listening to him.

@quano5409

Ай бұрын

@@DarrenMarsh-kx8hd his video on the Malayan Emergency is quite entertaining. Truly a stark contrast to the situation back then in Vietnam.

@DarrenMarsh-kx8hd

Ай бұрын

@quano5409 his whole series on the Sudan Wars are worth watching, very informative.

It's very nice to learn something completely new to me. Thankyou 👍

An excellent video... Congratulations!!!

Interesting watching your take on this moment in History.

If we would have supported Ho Chi Minh I'm betting vietnamese soldiers would have been a significant presence in the Korean war. maybe to the point of defeating the north and China. At the very least Vietnam would have been a significant buffer against China. Don't forget Vietnam fought China to a stalemate in 1979. Heck Vietnam overthrew the communist dictator Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. That makes Vietnam more successful at fighting communism in Indochina than anyone in the West

My father served in the British Army in Malaya, some coverage of that conflict would be appreciated.

Fascinating.

This is one of the most confusing times for me personally when learning about the buildup to the first Indochina war. Thank you for such a highly visual and thorough video explaining this crucial moment in history!

Thank you very much Jesse and crew for this very informative and unknown first episode of the long series of colonial wars in Vietnam that ended in 1975 only. Keep up the great work, Real Time History!

@jessealexander2695

Ай бұрын

Merci!

@phann860

Ай бұрын

In 1975 South Vietnam was abandoned by the US and the South was subjugated by the North

@nledaig

5 күн бұрын

@@phann860 Liberated. From two groups of foreign gangs. First the French and then the Yanks. Thanks to liberated Vietnam the Pol Pot gang were turfed out of power in Cambodia.

The killing of A. Peter Dewey is a tragic event, I read he may not have had an American flag on his jeep and spoke French to those that blocked the road. Captain Herbert Bluechel's account of the shooting sheds more light on the incident. I question whether Gracey wanted to restore French control, the situation was chaotic and there are some additional sources on this topic. The US ignored OOS advice and a 30 year war could have been avoided. Thanks for bringing this to KZread.

Great explanation of postwar Vietnam and the origins of the Vietnam war of the 60s and 70s

Great information, so little is covered of this period in anglophone circles. I learned alot.

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

Yes most of what we hear is the American version which leaves out everyone else involved

Oh yeah it's all coming together.

The first episode of the lengthy colonial warfare in Vietnam, which concluded in 1975, was incredibly educational and unknown; I'm very grateful to Jesse and the crew for that. The team at Real Time History is doing an excellent job.

So THAT is what British forces did in Vietnam in 1945--and why Britain stayed clear of the place afterwards. Thanks, Jesse, you taught me something new today.

@davidelkins3229

Ай бұрын

The SAS was involved in another war in the 60`s. Brits were busy doing something else.

@Anglo_Saxon1

Ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly mate

@vinhlong7347

Ай бұрын

Ho Chi Minh negotiated and accepted many policies beneficial to France so that France could replace the British and Kuomintang troops to monopolize Vietnam. Fighting three enemies at once was too difficult for Vietminh at that time

@alancranford3398

Ай бұрын

@@vinhlong7347 That is an example of "choose your enemies wisely." The later invasion by China was an example of "choose your friends more carefully."

@vinhlong7347

Ай бұрын

@@alancranford3398 I can see that China will attack Vietnam if Vietnam won the Vietnam War anyway. By winning the Vietnam War, Vietnam will no longer depends on China and China will lost a buffer zone. But back to the 1950s, Communist China was the only hope for Vietnam to expel foreign forces out of its territory. Just like the way Vietnam choose to support the Khmer Rouge despite Khmer Rouge have heavy anti-Vietnam sentiment, because no one could gather much people against USA in Cambodia at that time.

Thank you.

How different would the world be if FDR lived only a few more years?

@Error_404-F.cks_Not_Found

Ай бұрын

Very, we may have avoided the Cold War. At least to the extreme that it started out as

@robertreilly4946

Ай бұрын

Or if he'd kept Henry Wallace as VP instead of that Kansas City hat salesman?

@rich453

Ай бұрын

Yes, the Viet Minh were saving downed US pilots

@Error_404-F.cks_Not_Found

Ай бұрын

@@robertreilly4946 tie salesman. lol

@dulls8475

Ай бұрын

@@rich453 So how did that work out for you 20 years later?

Bonjour je suis français et je ne connaissais pas ces faits un grand merci a vous Big up

The key was using the Japanese troops. Those guys were tough MF used to fighting in the jungle and the cities. Having Gurkha and Indian troops fighting for you helped a lot too

This was an awesome documentary as usual! Here are some suggestions: Burma Campaign Malayan Emergency Korean War Suez Crisis Borneo Confrontation Gulf War Great work as usual!

@realtimehistory

Ай бұрын

3 of these are on our list for 2024, more for 2025

@Poznan__

Ай бұрын

At a first glance I was thinking that this video is about Malayan Emergency, a vietnam-like war fought by British

@maynardcapellan1969

Ай бұрын

WW II Prominent Filipino Quisling's..

Everyone’s gotta do something in Vietnam, you should cover the Sino-Vietnamese War

@realtimehistory

Ай бұрын

we already started covering it and will continue this year

@Albert-Arthur-Wison225

Ай бұрын

Oh ! Marvellous ! I’ve never been able to come across a decent video on it, to my chagrin…

@SpeedyBlueBiker1

Ай бұрын

Which one? They have had a quite a few over the centuries.

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

Australia never gets a mention where the ones forgotten when it comes to that war

@indianajones4321

9 күн бұрын

@@James-kv6kb as was the rest of SEATO

The entire Indochina-vietnam war could've been avoided had the US told the French to accept Vietnamese independence.

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

I wonder what the world would have been like without the Americans . World War I wouldn't have happened for starters

What ALWAYS amazes me is how little weight is given to the establishment of Red China in the Korean and Vietnam Wars. If the Nationalists under Chiang Kai-Chek win the Communists in those wars have no sponsor to offer refuge and assistance and they most likely are defeated like the Communists in Maylaya.

@ShubhamMishrabro

Ай бұрын

Correct. Usa and allies really underestimated red army

@clauderains1534

Ай бұрын

The majority of the population did not support the communist in Malaysia. Add to the distance between Malaysia and China. The biggest reason was unlike the French and the Dutch the British were willing to negotiate independence

@mebsrea

Ай бұрын

True most likely for Vietnam, but less certain for Korea. Unlike Vietnam, North Korea shared a border with the USSR, so Stalin could have easily continued to supply the North.

@rider660r

Ай бұрын

​@@mebsreaA 20 mile border +/- a mile or two......... Battleships could cover that territory let alone bombers,etc. You don't think it wouldn't have been a problem to stop any Russian supplies reaching NK? What about NK being almost completely wiped out as to why China stepped in. If the US would have helped Chiang Kai-Shek to win their war,there wouldn't have been as many problems as there was or still are today. Even if Truman would have answered and maybe accepted Ho Chi Minh's request there wouldn't have been a Indochina/Vietnam War and likely no war in Laos and Cambodia either. All the blood is on Truman,a poor excuse of a leader not far from the equally incompetent fool the US has now.

Make a sino Vietnam 1979 war please

Is there ever gonna be a part 2 to the Chinese civil war video?

@realtimehistory

Ай бұрын

there will be more Sino-Japanese War videos soon after our pearl harbor episode from December, and then ultimately the conclusion of the Chinese Civil War

My thoughts exactly mate 😉

A little known fun fact: Several Japanese also joined the Vietmin, known as the "New Vietnamese" by the Vietmin forces, and they would serve to train Vietnam's 1st modern military academy.

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

A lot of people don't realise that the Australians went in before the Americans in the 60s version of the war doing all the training

At the going down of the Sun and in the morning we will remember them.

You need to read "Why Vietnam Prelude to America's Albatross" by Archimedes LA Patti and "Embers of War " by Fredrik Logevall

@arttoegemann

22 күн бұрын

Patti and Eisenhower recognized the overwhelming popularity of Ho Chi Minh, that he would have won the reunification election to be held in 1956. That election was fatally obstructed. Mandate for Change

mark Felton has an interesting video on the subject

It’s like that episode of rebels where the clones team up with the droids

Indian troops being used while the British were giving India independence to reoccupy Indochina for a different colonial power? Wild ride.

The french did quite well early on as already mentiond they used German ss who fled to sweeden and thus into Vietnam conflict via the foreign legion hence 30mm guns driving through villages? Because of their success the Vietnam government found out who these French foreign legion soldiers were and went to the European parliament as it was at the time saying the use of war criminals as mercenaries was unacceptable, this was agreed and the German units within the legion were disbanded.

Everyone tickle the algorithm by leaving a comment and a like on every vid. These guys deserve jt

What a missed opportunity for the west! Thanks for posting!

My grandpa was a French educated Vietminh but my dad fought for South Vietnam with the Americans…my son and I are Americans

@angkhoanguyen6114

28 күн бұрын

Went from hero to traitor, how tragic.

@tuancao2002

2 күн бұрын

Both my grandpa and dad sacrificed their blood and fought for their countries. Tell me what have your family done for Vietnam before you opened loud mouth Khoa6114?

@tuancao2002

2 күн бұрын

I guess my grandpa shouldn’t have protect your grandparents in the north as a soldier and let them died or robbed

@angkhoanguyen6114

2 күн бұрын

@@tuancao2002 My entire and family served Vietnam for generations and continue to do so, unlike you we sided with the real heroes.

Like! Do you intend to make a doc about the German (and Soviet) invasion of Poland in 1939?

@realtimehistory

Ай бұрын

yes. on our list for next year

@puzzled012

Ай бұрын

Soviet invasion? into teritories occupied by Poland for some 18 years? so the push of Axis troops from Russia could be called invasion of German lebensraum by Soviets?

Oh yeah. It’s all coming together.

@Masada1911

Ай бұрын

@@mcs699 to be perfectly honest, I don’t even know it myself. I just saw a couple of people comment it and I thought it was funny.

as a brit i had no idea we payed such a large part in vietnam things could have been so different with the benefit of hindsight of course i have heard from other sources that the french behaved very badly an understatement this would have unified opposition to any external force occupying vietnam so when the US came the rest is a painful history for all

@Nttmf

Ай бұрын

And they get their arses kicked agian in 55

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

My understanding was the Americans refused to listen to the Australians who knew about the jungle resulting in such high casualties

Greetings from Lima, capital of Peru, in South America.

Where are ya'll located in Berlin? Next time I am back home I'd like to visit...

Best narrator in the game

A mate of mine who passed away recently was flying Sabre Jets for the Royal Australian Air Force during the Vietnam War. He never got over the anger of having to carefully avoid British Flagged Merchant ships when attacking shipping in harbours in North Vietnam !

@Nttmf

Ай бұрын

Well, he shouldn’t be attacking British ships. Surely he would have a target that was specific.

@dulls8475

Ай бұрын

Sounds like BS to me....vote for the republic did you?

I dare say, the cheeky buggers are hiding in the trees.

7:30 They accused him of 'partiality' guys.

Who's that Dewey guy? Is he related to admiral Dewey of the Spanish American war late 1800s.?

TL:DW: Bloody MacArthur again

Thương cho dân tộc tôi 2000 năm chiến đấu để được tự do . Việt Nam Muôn Năm !!!!!

I'm pretty sure it should be boiling oil not water 1:44

Thanks! They don’t teach us much about this period at school in Vietnam. I love how you cover the Brit Indians and Japanese troops feelings. The lack of vision/local knowledge and diplomacy by both Paris and Washington led to them fighting the Viet Minh, a pro western faction. The French barbaric actions forced Ho to radicalize (i.e shifting from central left to full left). In turn, this communism shift led to American intervention later on, creating back to back wars from 1945-1975. Had the US support Viet Minh, they would have an anti China bastion immediately in 1945 - as we see nowaday. For that, I rate Truman very low on foreign policy.

@user-uy2mz4hd2r

Ай бұрын

I remeber this being glossed over in school since the british entered and left vietnam in a rather swift manner and at the same time uncle ho was focusing the country's attention on the french and chinese forces

@Mence1809

Ай бұрын

tbh if Vietnam falls under the British rules then they would be even more developed now. But that also mean that the French will be weakened even further. In the end the Vietnamese had to fight two wars just to get the North and the South to be united. Despite all of that hardship, they still thrive. On the other hand, the North and South Korean is so divided that it would took them hundred of years from now to be fully integrated with each other should they be unified now.

@jerryle379

Ай бұрын

​@@Mence1809? How Vietnam under British rule will be more developed lol ?😂

@ShubhamMishrabro

Ай бұрын

I don't know if he talking about colonialism type controlling. But British system is different from other countries. They allow natives to have own government own system and economy . This leads to the colonial country not entirely dependent on the coloniser. That's is why British colonies are seen as better performing countries. @@jerryle379

@markgarrett3647

Ай бұрын

Ho Chi Minh is literally a trained agent of the Communist International. Why would a non-Communist trust him?

I was astonish by the fact that the British defeated Viet Minh in those 2 years (1945-1946) using guerilla warfare and jungle skill patrol with the help of Japanese. Its was disasterous when the British left Vietnam. They could win the war in the region if they stay much longer and gain the population support to fight against Communism.

@williestreiff9314

Ай бұрын

I sence sarcasm 😅😅😅

@elverdavin365

Ай бұрын

@@williestreiff9314 Its true that the British eventually defeated and make the Vietnamese Communist on the run. British conduct a number of patrol with French and Japanese for 2 years in the region that led Viet Minh to scattered across Vietnam. About 40 British Servicemen died and 2700 Viet Minh died in those 2 years and nearly lost. Watch the documentary by Mark Felton Production about 'British In Vietnam War' in KZread.

@williestreiff9314

Ай бұрын

Fair enough, at least they didn't get bogged down in ten years of combat,,it is a little wild how that little country made such big waves

@elverdavin365

Ай бұрын

@@williestreiff9314 Yeah, imagine that the Vietnamese can defeated the U.S and its allies, French and Chinese but lost to British and Japanese. From my prespective, i could see that the U.S lack of jungle training and could not gain the population support for winning in Vietnam in those 10 years. While the British and Japanese work together with the population to fight the Communist insurgent.

@williestreiff9314

Ай бұрын

Agreed,,, although I believe,,as vicious as it was they were close to surrender from B52 bombing raids, that's not just my opinion ,,yes the war sucked, I feel nonetheless we pulled out to early and left the south to the wolves

CHARLIE DON'T CRICKET !

@jacktheripoff1888

Ай бұрын

"If I say it's safe to play cricket on this beach, it's bloody well safe to play cricket on this beach !"

I have noticed with this channel a rather nuanced anti British sentiment . But here is a reminder to all of those too young to know the truth. The peoples of Malaya , Singapore , Sarawak today give thanks to the British for fighting the communists . That also applies to other parts of the world where British put their lives on the line in the name of democracy. Strangely that sentiment is rarely if ever expressed towards the French or Americans.

@dulls8475

Ай бұрын

I agree. In fact it is a left wing revisionist nuance.

@Ace-990

Ай бұрын

Communists weren't in power during this though? They were just helping the french get back control while they were rounding up the japanese troops.

@MartinReiter143

Ай бұрын

Depending on who you asked, they might also give thanks that the Brits are gone.

@benwilson6145

Ай бұрын

@@MartinReiter143 The British left voluntary after establishing a government and ensuring that the country was lawful. Not like the French and Americans who favoured war and had to be booted out.

@koala6016

Ай бұрын

@dulls. I disagree, reckoning it as pretty accurate. But maybe that doesn't suit your right wing biad.

So, the Brits poured fuel on the fire.......

@mattwordsworth9825

Ай бұрын

Nope. The Brits tried to stop a future conflict from happening.

@TheIceman567

Ай бұрын

@@mattwordsworth9825 how? Your job was to baby sit. By the time you left the VC weren’t defeated.

@angkhoanguyen6114

28 күн бұрын

​​@@mattwordsworth9825too bad that future still happened, therefore their presence are not welcomed

@jamesvandemark2086

28 күн бұрын

@@mattwordsworth9825 A tough call to make, either way!

Ho Chi Mihn was not a Communist! Even the Russians admitted that. He was a nationalist. He sought help from wherever he could get it. If the French had negotiated a transition of power then all the slaughter of Vietnam would never have happened.

@rexracernj7696

Ай бұрын

He may have been a nationalist but ALSO a Communist. Don't forget, while in Paris he had been a co-founder of the FRENCH Communist Party also.

@vinhlong7347

28 күн бұрын

@@rexracernj7696but his ideals did not focus on the issue of class struggle. Ho Chi Minh was under house arrest by Stalin when he was in Soviet Union for four years from 1932 to 1936 due to suspicions about his nationalist ideology.

I don't think we (Brits) were less repressive than the French. We were perhaps more efficiently repressive. I read of an incident where some French civilians had been killed before British soldiers could reach them. In response, the Ghurkas burned down every house in the area, killed all livestock, etc. That is, they were battle-hardened and not expecting to lose, or be beaten by the VC. They also cleared areas and kept them clear. The biggest issue for France and later the US was that they did Search and Destroy attacks in an area and then withdrew, allowing the VC and VM to move back in. That is an over simplification but true as a gross cause of defeat.

@JFDA5458

Ай бұрын

I think the British, with their experience of pacification and counter guerrilla war in other areas would have made a far better job of dealing with this then the French could ever hope to.

@thanhhoangnguyen4754

Ай бұрын

​@@JFDA5458 Well the only problem is that it not British colony and they by the time fighting started they already accepted the reality they couldn't hold the colony anymore. Even if they fight and win another costly war plus not to mention creating other former colony of them will cauae another problem.

@user-uy2mz4hd2r

Ай бұрын

Whatever the case was, ho chi minh also actively tried to minimize any hostile acts against british and chinese troops since he knew they were (mostly) there to disarm the japanese and the real threat was the returning french

@DirtyMikeandTheBoys69

Ай бұрын

​@JFDA5458, you forget that Britian's success in counter insurgency elsewhere was predicated on the fact that the small-scale, low intensity conflicts she found herself in were primarily in Anglo-sphere nations, such as Malaya, where she enjoyed a strong, pro-British population and government, against a very small, inadequately equipped Communist foe in a country with no physical border shared with China, where arms and fighters could pour through, unlike Vietnam. In Malaysia, the Commonwealth, supported by over 250,000 Malayans, faced off against less than 9,000 poorly equipped communists. They had small arms only. In Vietnam, the US and French faced an actual military alongside insurgents, equipped with tanks, aircraft, artillery, missiles, etc.

@JFDA5458

Ай бұрын

@@thanhhoangnguyen4754 It appears that it was less to do with helping the French reclaim a former colony and more to do with preventing communism from taking hold in that part of SE Asia.

7:15 "...accuse Gracey of impartiality." Not so much. Jesse Alexander (not to be confused with the American producer of the same name) has British roots, but his English fails him here.

Keeps stopping 6 times stopping in 40 second's. Others haven't.

The "rag tag", "weird" British .......did rather better than the "...greatest nation on earth.." etc, etc. (By the way, Mc Arthur once again demonstrated his 'outstanding' ego which culminated in the Korean War pushing for a nuclear supported US invasion of China from the North Korean border ).

Great video and content but the audio is awfully heavy Bass and you talk really fast and switch subjects it’s really hard to follow

@jessealexander2695

Ай бұрын

You can slow the video down to 0.75 speed in the video settings, just click the settings button in the lower right hand corner of the video.

A new French film features the story of a group of Legionnaires on a journey to escape from northern Vietnam to China following Japan's victorious (and infamous) March 1945 coup ("Operation Bright Mood") against Vichy forces in French Indochina: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k3msl9Cxd7TbhZM.htmlsi=C99F5c4a5OjCAod4

Man vietnams only hobby there for a while was fighting a war with the worlds superpowers

@WaterShowsProd

Ай бұрын

They'd been doing it for centuries. They repelled The Mongols, Fought China a number of times, and as a local superpower: after Siam conquered Cambodia and Laos they pushed through into Vietnam, only to be driven back until a treaty was agreed to giving them joint suzerainty over Cambodia. Messing with Vietnam is never a wise move. (Incidentally Burma also repelled The Mongols and an invasion from China. The Mongols were not at all accustomed to fighting in tropical terrain, but Vietnam and Burma also had powerful armies and brilliant commanders.)

@flyinghigh2724

Ай бұрын

the British kicked there arses@@WaterShowsProd

@WaterShowsProd

Ай бұрын

With 3 other armies joining them, at a point when Vietnam was the most disorganised and flat-on-its-back that it's ever been.@@flyinghigh2724

@vuduynghia1995

Ай бұрын

We just wanna be friend. But they don’t. Sooo

@angkhoanguyen6114

28 күн бұрын

​@@flyinghigh2724because the Viet Minh are laying low, the French are the true enemy. If Viet Minh used all of theie strength, the British still can be defeated like the French.

Extremely common British W

@TheIceman567

Ай бұрын

How’s it common?

@TheIceman567

Ай бұрын

How is it common?

@Luke_Sandy_High_Ground

Ай бұрын

@@TheIceman567 what do you mean

@TheIceman567

Ай бұрын

@@Luke_Sandy_High_Ground How is it common? It's pretty self explanatory.

@angkhoanguyen6114

28 күн бұрын

W low because Viet Minh had no intention of fighting the British, only the French.

Hope you talk about Indonesia massacres of 1965 backed by CIA. Important part of Cold war now completely forgotten

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Bit of an uneven account, to put it politely.

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

What do you expect he is American

JUNE , 1964, OUT OF BASIC AND 2 WEEKS LEAVE AT HOME, MY DAD TOLD ME, “IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO STOP THE PROBLEMS IN VIETNAM, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO, IS SEND A BUNCH OF GREEN BERETS IN, AND THEY WOULD GET IT DONE IN 6 MONTHS!” THAT DIDNT WORK, AND I MANAGED STAY OUT OF THERE!

@dulls8475

Ай бұрын

Yet another American failing to understand how to win a guerrilla war...

Dewey being made non grata means not counted on,non existence

That period when the British were involved was actually a very successful versus when it became just the French or then the Americans. Yes they use the Japanese but it functioned successfully in a sense. I'm not saying it's right or wrong I'm just saying effectiveness

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

Really annoys me people say the Americans as if they were the only ones there at that time period. No one mentions the Australians who went in before the Americans

so. you folks at Real Time History are "a pretty unruly band of cutthroats" are you?

@realtimehistory

Ай бұрын

🏴‍☠

so the US arms and trains insurgents, and later on has to fight them? sounds familiar... is this a strategy?

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

In World War I they sold to the Germans then sold to the British when The War started . In Afghanistan they taught them how to grow heroin so that they can buy arms off the Americans to defend against the Russians then invaded Afghanistan

Many japanese joined the viet minh after 1945 also german Foreign legionaires!

@oddballsok

Ай бұрын

Nope… it was German (Dutch French Flemish danish) waffen ss that joined French foreign legion and Dutch army to fight communists in Vietnam and DEI… you were confused.

@angloaust1575

Ай бұрын

Ho chi minh adopted one of the germans who deserted from foreign legion!

@vinhlong7347

27 күн бұрын

@@oddballsok there were several German did actually served for the Vietminh during the war, they were called "New Vietnamese people" by the Vietminh

Impartiality or lack of impartiality( 7.25)

Think you will find Gracy wanted out of the area. He told all the thing was wrong. He did not want to support France going back in. He said poplar support was there for independence. He was right. Also the reason why British forces were better at fighting is because they were. We had Malaya later and proved the point which sadly US and France failed to copy.

@patrickporter1864

Ай бұрын

The british fought Chinese guerrill in malaya not Malayian. A different situation.

@edthebumblingfool

Ай бұрын

chinese malayans almost identical, the british just had a political system that didnt breed the same resentment and urge to rebel. if in doubt ask a canadian about it.@@patrickporter1864

@benwilson6145

Ай бұрын

@@patrickporter1864 Just perhaps you will learn in Vietnam and Malaysia that they were fighting Communists supported by the Soviets and Red Chinese!. The British in Borneo also fought and defeated an invasion by the Indonesians

I didn't know Japan switched sides😂

@ronaldgrove3283

Ай бұрын

Japan and the Japanese Emperor surrenders to the Allies, so does their armies ? Japanese soldiers surrendering to British troops in Southern Vietnam acknowledge them as their captives ? Under British direction uses armed troops to help Britain maintain law and order ?

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

The Americans did it in World War I armed the Germans and then change sides . It does happen

Vietnam War but with tea and biscuit.

Oh coming all yeah together it's.

12th, 15 March 2024

The Allied 14th Army moved into post war occupation and police action across South East Asia. Bandits were active in the post war chaos. The US complicated maters with their agressively anticolonialist global policy. More to assume the influence lost by bankrupt European powers, than anticolonialist ideology. Indian and British Regiments archives details many years of post war 'police' work. The Gurkhas were in south Vietman until after Indian independance, initially with armed Japanese units under their command.

difference with the British adventures in indochina , malaya and Borneo.... we won

A white tee shirt with a sports jacket or suit coat just looks bad and makes the wearer look incredibly lazy. Now if it were a black tee shirt, that would look fashionable.)

My Father was an OSS Trained SACO Observer who delivered two Barge Loads of Captured/ Surrendered Japanese Weapons and some American Small Arms to ANYONE in French Indo China who wanted to kick the French Colonists OUT. Our Navy Intelligence was Pro- Vietminh. ( Also Anti - MacArthur. Dad admired the moves of a Japanese Kempatai Man who was directing Traffic in Saigon. He wore White Cotton Gloves and spun around sharply directing the mayhem .

@dulls8475

Ай бұрын

What a great ally you were to the French and British. No doubt those same weapons were used to kill your own soldiers later. We have now had 70 odd years of disastrous US foreign policy.

@edthebumblingfool

Ай бұрын

so he started the vietnam war rather than my grandfather who tried to stop it in 45, which court sould I sue you in?

@user-ry6hd4kx1j

Ай бұрын

@@edthebumblingfool Take it up with the Navy Bub. His Admiral’s didn’t like the French Colonial Government , nor DeGualle , nor did they like the Army and MacArthur.

Somebody get Ho chi min a cheeseburger dawg looks hungry

@decimated550

Ай бұрын

That's how those little skinny wiry guys were able to move so fast. The only weighed a buck 10 and didn't need to eat much. Just a bowl of rice a day. Our American soldiers on the other hand needed restaurants, rear area, super bases, prostitutes, and ice cream factories. We were too expensive to inefficient to beat them in there front yard

USA trained VK -> Lost to VK USA Trained Taliban -> Lost to Taliban

The US dropped the ball

@charlieross-BRM

Ай бұрын

They kicked the ball into the stands.

@DirtyMikeandTheBoys69

Ай бұрын

How so? Britian only succeeded in removing the Viet Mihn from Saigon. They left having failed to actually defeat them outright, leaving France to deal with them. If anyone dropped the ball, it would be Britiain.

@decimated550

Ай бұрын

The military industrial complexes that fed these wars there material did not lose, instead they won big time

@bigenglishmonkey

Ай бұрын

@@DirtyMikeandTheBoys69 thats if you want to change history to make defeating the viet mihn one of the actual objectives. as said in the video their objectives were achieved, meaning britain did what it came to do. it was america that armed them, america that gave them the time to organise at all, and america who ignored britains advice on jungle warfare, which is why britain wasn't in the vietnam war.

@britishpatriot7386

Ай бұрын

​@@DirtyMikeandTheBoys69😭😭😭 please stop, get some help.

7:21 You mean "partiality" NOT "impartiality"

@joellewis7168

Ай бұрын

Oh, come on, man.

😂😂😂 hôm nay Việt Nam 🇻🇳kỷ niệm 49 năm ngày giải phóng 30/04/1975& 30/04/2024 Việt Nam mãi mãi trường tồn

Thank you for your objective comments. Only bashing of the french is unacceptable. The French were not worse that the English colonists in their colonies. And the french suffered a lot of the Japanese brutal occupation in 1945. They could not receive anay help from the mother country. Americans where not allies of the French during this war. Only following their interests and trying to rule France and take her place in our colonies. Bad Friends..We remember... Vive De Gaulle

@GG-ir1hw

20 күн бұрын

France’s only bad friends of the time were the Vichy government and the military/Colonies that followed it. The US and British effectively liberated France and gave it back all of its colonies. France was against both, happy to play stupid games to undermine its own allies. Not that the USA was any better. Also yes, the French were far more adamant about colonialism. They refused to leave everywhere they went without a fight or a puppet regime that was held to CFA frank. The British withdrew from everywhere, even turning down colonies like Malta that voted to be annexed.

Wow, i had no idea the Americans armed the Viet-minh ... not surprised though. Standard American short sightedness and they Cleary didnt learn any lessons... Cough mujahideen cough

@TheIceman567

Ай бұрын

The USA only armed them once Japan took over indochina and once the war was over stopped. Btw Britain also armed the mujahideen nor did they ever use any of these weapons after the Soviet afghan war. 😂🙄

@jerryle379

Ай бұрын

Lol VietMinh was a us allied until Us betray them and supported the frenchie 😂 compare VietMinh to taliban show you serious lack of knowledge

@TheIceman567

Ай бұрын

@@jerryle379 huh the video states the us on suppler them to fight the Japanese at wars e d the aid stopped

@jerryle379

Ай бұрын

@@TheIceman567 aids and training and any sort of relation was cut cause french threat the American if they doesn't support french recolonize they old colony they will flip to the Soviet side.

@James-kv6kb

9 күн бұрын

They started World War 1 buy selling equipment to the Germans and then changing sides they've been doing it for a long time