I think you're not quite understanding that the Finnish armed forces are a defence force, not an army. The closest most Finns ever get to combat is during peace keeping operations, but that's something you do after you've completed your required service and on your own volition. So, PTSD isn't really an issue for your average conscript (although it does happen due to a variety of reasons).

To be clear Finnish army is called Defense Force for a reason. We are not engaging in wars and risking the lives of all of the conscripts. We are solely trained for defending Finland. There are options for those who wan't to make it a profession to go do peacekeeping missions if they so like to do. Finnish army is basically 6-12 month long training camp. You do get bonded with your squad mates but I would not call it the same level as going to war with your squad. Pretty much all of the military preparation has been solely to be able to defend against Russia if they ever decide to attack again.

Finnish Military Service is not War you dont need mental support after leaving. We have Defence force not Attack force

@elinahamalainen5867

8 ай бұрын

Yes, was about to comment this too. Finland doesn't have "men doing service to their country" meaning fighting overseas.

@JukkaRamo

8 ай бұрын

@@elinahamalainen5867 NATO might change that

@alexp7579

8 ай бұрын

​@@JukkaRamo Finland has professional soldiers abroad already. Not conscripts. NATO won't change anything.

@JukkaRamo

7 ай бұрын

@@alexp7579 Yes but mostly in peacekeeping roles

@kingseb2252

7 ай бұрын

@@JukkaRamo nato is a defensive alliance

Rough translation from the feedback given at 4:33 "Remember that when the squad leader gives order to group leader, and if that group leader drops off, then someone else must jump from behind (to take his place). Even the aftermost guy must know it. And as we can see from the mission, this has been trained and it went well"

Just wondering what guys in other countries talk about, when they have "a boys night" in bar or sauna being 20+ years old... Conscript 1984-85, now officer in reserve...

5:58 You have to remember that there is no special "type" of conscripts in Finland who go through the training. There is everyone in one group, a future opera singer, a mathematician, a farmer and an electrician can form a team, one's family has millions in the bank and another's father has never been seen. Conscript training is for everyone, there are brave performers and withdrawn sensitive men and all in between, the purpose is that everyone's performance is encouraged and supported. The majority of young men want to go through a service and are proud of it. Although the army is based on a chain of command, the Finnish way of leading is not as hierarchical as one might imagine. All those who have served in, for example, peacekeeping duties say the same thing, the practices of the Finnish army are non-hierarchical compared to the militaries of many other countries.

@Deuzen_FIN

8 ай бұрын

It's also worth remembering that men who do not wish to serve in the Defence Forces also have the option to opt for a year long Civil Service instead, so if armed service clashes too heavily with your morals, health, or sensibilities you have the option to serve the nation in other ways... at least in peacetime. Civil Service does not exclude you from being called to arms if necessary in times of crisis.

Were conscript at 1993, got 30y celebration for that day with all our squad mates. That bond, build up during 11 months we served, has carried over like it was yesterday we left the barracks and turn to be civilians with a set of special skills.

@petrusinvictus3603

8 ай бұрын

In the Finlands Navy, we try to keep sealines open so you men can fight!

I've been in army and served multiple groups and tasks. I've studied in multiple institutions. I've been a member of multiple hunting parties and fishing fellowships. Always we could've create a friendly bond within all the participants. It is the greatest of all camradirie, which we all have to cherish.

You must remember these finnish Conscripts do not go to war, but have a training for it. Training helps one to structure life also after Army, to wake-up early, to get into lecture/office on time, and use sparetime efficiently for like hobbies and staff. And they have sparetime even in service, it's not all just taining. Or if one has already made studies, one has structure in his life, and that's why graduates usually make it good also in the army.

@perkele2802

8 ай бұрын

I'm not sure about that anymore. When russian society starts to collapse anything can happen.

Anyone know is this Jone Nikula narrating? or just kinda similar voice (sorry for the obvious typo) Also, when you are in Finland, a thing that you might want to keep in mind before starting any trouble, fist-cuffs or anything like that, is that about 80% (varies greatly based on chosen metrics) of the adult men have some level of military service equivalent to US special forces' special training, and some of them might even have military police training. Meaning they won't be intimidated easily, hardly ever back out after a challenge has been made (our stubbornness that gets us into trouble), and know how to work together and apply violence. 1:09 Finns in general are skilled in a multitude of things, have tried their hand in several different jobs and learn new skills as hobbies. Overall hyper-specialization to just one set of skills/field is rather rare outside of certain professions like Doctors. Not only is changing jobs and retraining really easy in Finland, but Finns value wide-range of general skills and common sense very highly. So even in the army, it is only natural that value teaching a wide variety of skills, even at basic level, so later you have the general knowledge of its advantages/disadvantages/requirements and don't have to start from 0, when evaluating your options and deciding which to choose and refresh/learn more about 1:39 Absolutely they are! especially in a country like Finland where you are free to roam, hike and travel all over the country. Not only that, you can actually complete many of the certificates for many essential skills needed in your job/education after the army. For example the hygiene pass (mandatory for any work that comes into contact with food), first aid 1 & 2 certificates, driving license etc. depending on your wishes and assignment 6:10 This is also a mentality that is shared in Finland by almost everyone, that is why young men (ofc there are exceptions, especially about one decade ago) often can't wait to get into the army, since once you are at about halfway done, people start respecting/seeing you in a whole new light, ofc, in reality it is because they train you to carry and conduct yourself like a proper adult should without being a spoiled brat. For women it is optional, so naturally only those that are willing will join anyway. And the biggest reason is that Finns (apart from the neo-Nazi minority) consider to army to be 95% about self-defense ONLY, and the rest 5% about rescue missions and international humanitarian aid. NEVER for invasion, attack or greed. Also people who love the army, guns and authority a bit too much, don't actually get in to the army, or are made sure they are under special surveillance and have 0 chances for promotion or access to critical/dangerous things unsupervised The Finnish army is for those who are willing to do their part for the joint defense of Finland, not for those who want to experience war and violence. There are also other ways to serve your part if you are unfit for army, have special talents/skills/circumstances or are a pacifist for various reasons. Also those with certain health conditions that could be aggravated due to the service, or that will be logistically too much trouble to bother with, are not only exempt from service (like I myself was due to several severe health conditions), but are not even allowed to join, even if we re-apply again and again. The most common alternative to the military training is the civilian service of military. Military can't run on soldiers, pioneers, pilots and such alone, but requires a massive support mechanism as well, with positions for cooks, supply drivers, servers, office workers, couriers, IT personnel and such are still required to be filled in. In the past this was seen as inferior part of the military and youths applying to them specifically were sometimes treated rather badly. But I am glad that this bigoted attitude has shifted for the better a lot in the past 2 decades or so (imho hazing and bullying in general has also dropped quite a bit and is considered as one of the worst/scummiest things you can do, but haven't checked the stats for this one) Also one of the things that Finland does very well, is to ingrain absolute hate against war to its citizens when growing up. Even in the army, it is about 50% about preparing for the worst case scenario that everything else fails and war is the last option left on the table. The other 50% is about maintaining a respectable and vigilant peace time military presence, capabilities and fast upscaling to massive military force (up to 1.1 million if you include the whole reserve and peace time strength. Also Finnish reserve is extremely capable, and not just some stat) work as a deterrent to be able to respond to any threat at any time, and also to make sure absolutely no one wants to pay the price it would take to try to invade Finland

@mantailuaa

8 ай бұрын

Yes it is Joni.

@mpark6142

8 ай бұрын

Yes, it is Jone Nikula.

@Songfugel

8 ай бұрын

Ok thanks! His voice is usually so easy to recognize, I wanted to make extra sure it was indeed actually him I guess it was him being so official and calm that made me question it, since he almost always has that seething passive-aggressive and sarcastic way of speaking I am so used to xD @@mantailuaa

@syncacct8576

8 ай бұрын

Sounded like the pastJarkko Sipilä (r.i.p) to me

In Finland, we might have different opinions on all kinds of things, but most of us have gone through army training. Everyone has a good understanding of how our military works because every generation has gone through mandatory military service. I think it has a good impact if something happens, we have a nice understanding of why our civilian and military sectors are integrated into each other and they support each other. I think it is a good model for us because we can not do anything about our geography. I did not have a single thought against our military when they called me to the army, it is a logical thing for most of our citizens.

@mikkorenvall428

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, and that's why our nation is been planned for military purposes. Or at least it used to be. Many roads, bridges, Cellars have been planned easy to dispose or take into military use, like a bunker, tank barrier or air-raid shelter...

I myself was in Niinisalo in 1998 for eight months, yes, they also checked how tired and hungry you can work, which is of course realistic, and as far as I understand, the first aid training goes through everything, and the last day when you put on the strainer and walk out of the gate for the last time is pretty great feeling, of course there is a reserve of training, but when you know the practices, they are actually quite good and they mostly repeat learned skills. ​ You also need to really understand, even though it's hard at times, we have a long border with the russian and there has to be a threat to not just walk in here. ​

When you come to Finland and look around, there 95 % adult men have army backround. You should know you are safe. I was army early -80 and UN Peacekeeping forces middle -80's in South Lebanon and Beirut. Nobody is more against war than me but army is good place to learn who you really are.

A personal real life example: my son (7 yo), tried to cut some bread with a big knife. It was too much for him to handle, so he unfortunately cut himself while doing it. The cut was deep enough and the bleeding strong enough, that no bandaid would do no good at that point. I opened our firstaid kit, and having some FA training both from civilian hobbies and milirary training, I took a roll of cloth and put that around the wound, and even making the effort to tie it with extra care. The bleeding stopped and even the nurse at that hospital complimented me on a job well done with the cloth, so all in all, I am proud of my heroicid deed to save my son's hands.

You learn to take responsibility, punctuality, get along with different kind of people, teamwork, leadership skills, first-aid skill, dress up accordingly, fold your clothing, do your bed, take care of your belongings, read maps, orienteering, make fire, camping, sleep wherever, avoid responsibility,... You can E.g. specialize to play in a marching band, to maintaining and fixing bicycles or to train to be a military police: "Finnish military soldier´s march - Helsinki 6.July" and "Sotilaspoliisit - Etsintä ja kiinniotto Kampin keskuksessa". To give a broader perspective on the subject: "Why is Finland building an underground city? ABC News", "Finland - prepared for crisis". "Luke Bland To the bomb shelter", "Santa's Finnish grotto is also a bomb shelter" and "BATTLE BARRE KYLMÄ Mika itärajalla".

i just wonder how do the american forces like the icelake dipping with 30+kg of stuff on your back :D i remember one year US and finns trained together and they had this lesson... :D

Dwayne is a real one😆 and I bet most off us watching this are infact Fins just like me

Finnish conscripts don't really need any help after leaving the service, they just return to the normal life and to their studies or work. They don't suffer from PTSD or anything like that because Finland hasn't been at war since WWII.

These things are nice to see cos i don't know enough of our army stuff, i respect veterans and all and all Finland does too, we have once a year veteran day

“The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.” ― Thucydides

Served in 1998 in Finnish army. Stayed there for 1 year. Still keeping touch with my army mates. We were a tight group of 8 guys and usually we were alone in different training situation. For us it's has been a life time bond. Of course now days it's is much easier to keep in touch via social media.

For most Finnish men feel like we have the duty to serve since our grandparents fought in 2nd world War against Russia. And way things are now we see morale been more towards volunteers coming to army. It's good to know that your basic cashier in grocery shop knows how to shoot and defend themselves.

Im sure it has pointed out already by someone: Military service includes ONLY training - no going to war or anything else for conscripts (atleast to this date - remains to be seen if joining Nato changes this). Men between 18-29 are doing mandatory service and women do volunter service. Women have 45 days to ”try it out” after that they are obligated to finish their service. Before that they are allowed to quit without sanctions. We also have an alternative service route ”civil service” where you work for a year at some socially beneficial occuption like at a hospital or elder care, etc.

@Misrec87

8 ай бұрын

After conscript service. One can apply to become an officer (go to officer school). Or apply for active duty posts within military. (special forces and other non-officer jobs). Participation to crisis management overseas is done both by activer service members but also by reservists (people finished with conscription). You apply to a mission and get a few weeks training for that specific mission and go do that job overseas. Then come back and return to your job back home.

its like 3 weeks smelling other man socks.

my shooting score vas 94 out of 100 frmo 250meters

we are also tougth how to make a tourniquet of rope and a stick

you learn that imported things in military stop blood etc its good everybody most do the military in some way

It is bond for life. I still meet with my buddies from the reserve officer school from the early 80’s

What is the difference about Army and Defense force? Army attack and Defense force just defend the country where they live.

@tomi_9212

8 ай бұрын

Defense force is the whole system and army is land force and then there is separated air-force etc

@tynkky

8 ай бұрын

@@tomi_9212 Army attack and defence force jus defence the country.

@tynkky

8 ай бұрын

@@tomi_9212 USA has army. Russia has army. China has army. Finland, Sweden, Japan, Norway, Denmark etc. have defencive force that will only kick ass of a attacking country. Defence forces will never attack to another country. KEEP THAT IN MIND!

Usually men in Finland thinks that army was a playground😁 usually. Depents on a unit.

That was a pressure dressing, tourniquet is different.

There is old saying that "There is always military in every country. Either it's yours or it's somebody else's." We Finns prefer having our own instead of the grimmer version 🙂 That's why we have conscription. Also videos of "final war" looked scary to you but it is still just simulated war after all. Situation where a conscript actually gets hurt in military happens very rarely, I would say once in five years and then there is always big investigation and often changes to the way certain things are done during training. So as long nobody attacks Finland even "final war" is just a big, more realistic play fight (like kids fight with "swords" or "guns", I don't know what's the proper term in English) for the guys.

Getting emotional, I am over 50 remember my military time like yesterday.My son is now in service shadow off Russia is near for us atleast. My grantfathers has fought russia, hope my son and me doesnt have to. But dont get me wrong I am the firstone to raise my hand if my country and my family needs me. Nice reaction take care mate. P.S. sorry about spelling I am a stoneworker not English teacher...

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it feels weird when you come to the military first day and notice your leaders are younger than you... :D thought my group's leader was very nice guy! other end of the barracks, there was almost same named guy but he was total dickhead :D

@Songfugel

8 ай бұрын

They do their best to avoid advancing people like that into any leadership position, but it is sometimes hard to catch them all. Also those that slip through the cracks, will often promote likeminded bullies themselves as well

9:27 It's a strong bond. Can't really even explain it. You trust your mates and you'd do anything for them.

You don't really need these perks/skills any more in civil life. Maybe in 1900's or in early 2000's, but not 2020's. Only thing in civil life depends if you get a work or no is your "work experience". No work place anymore questions if you have went to army or not when interviewd.

When you visit in Finland, think at the about nine of ten Finish men you see is soldier. Also many womens too.

I have been in the army and I was there 9 months. And I’m military police (MP), and the side training that I got was engagement savior. And military was the best time of my life 🪖

Haha I'm Finnish!

Armeija tekee meistä MIEHIÄ!!

Moi!

Finlands Navy.

Hyi stna mitä sontaa jone kehtaa satuilla

Well Finland fought against the Soviets - they inflicted heavy casualties but had to give up some land but kept their freedom. Eternal vigilance against Russians is a prudent thing - they will never change.

Thing is that Finland has not been war for long time, Brits have. So i think we should study you how you handling that. And this i mean in bigger scale. Yes Finnish have operated Afghanistan, Iraq and some other places. But combat missions, not really, patrolling yes. Trying to maintain peace on those region, what is hopeless task.

Rainbow guy as you are.. While can't imagine been in military, you would do just fine in finnish army and end up as a man in the end.

@Topias_K

2 ай бұрын

In Finland every man fights in the war, regardless of whether he has completed military service or not. Nothing will change that. Breaking the oath and refusing to fight will result in court martial and in the worst case the death sentence, as happened in World War II.

4:20 that's propaganda

@Marxist-Nixonist-Bidenist

8 ай бұрын

Yeah not really sure about that but I do know that being a leader in the military gives u some points in university.

imagine the whole nato doing this. man there would be no one challenging us. what kind of brotherhood you would truly feel towards nato allies. going camping and "warring" in the woods with punch of brits, germans, italians and polish would be absolutely legendary shit.