I had a conversation the other day with a friend dealing with condensate water from hvac in a new addition to a commercial building..the supply water is municipal treated water. The .gov rep told them they could not allow that to "co mingle" with ground water...so the entire new system had to be scrapped. When he pointed out that sprinklers, in every yard in that city, "co mingled" the very same water in massive quantities every day...the .gov rep said "I don't want to have that conversation"...we are living in clown world.....

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Way too many stories like that...

From what I could find - Walker China was based in Bedford, Ohio and manufactured a wide range of restaurant-ware. From what I could find from the make it looks like it was made in August 1928. 😎

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for looking that up! 1928 is consistent with the period of activity at this mine...

@frankgaletzka8477

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for the Look behind the scene . Hard work and goverment rules no one can understand. That is the same in all countries World wide. Glück Auf yours Frank Galetzka

@ericmanteuffel6403

9 ай бұрын

@@TVRExploring @ 4:31 you can partially see the date

@richardbrobeck2384

9 ай бұрын

yep that is also what I figured !

@Ed_in_Md

9 ай бұрын

That china is definitely from 1928. The month is sketchy for me to see but the month is the two digits before the “28.” If it’s August then it should be “08.” My old eyes can’t tell.

I think many of us would watch an hour long uncut video of someone running the mucker, or tramming ore cars, with great interest. As they say, one can watch someone else working for ever.

@TVRExploring I have stumbled onto your channel over the last month and have spent HOURS watching! I know you know how appreciated these videos are by us, and as others have said, watching your uncut videos would likely be as entertaining for us, since these show the real progress of the mine, unlike any camera crew could document without interfering with normal operations. Not only that, you don't make the video hard to watch by missing important details (often) 😜and make it easy to track where you are in the mine with your slow and clear descriptions. I only wish I could see a map of the mine as these videos progress, so I could orient myself further as you identify where you are. I grew up with a fascination for mining and if it weren't for my body, I'd be trying to join your team! Thank you, Sir!

Sometimes "Hello, we are from the government and we are here to help you" doesn't necessarily mean help. Unless I missed something, are we viewing areas of the mine we haven't seen before? Very interesting Justin and Crew!

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Does it ever mean "help" that is actually helpful? No, I showed the area of the mine that we are surveying in this video much more extensively in another video...

I'm sure I'm speaking for a lot of people when I say, I really appreciate you giving us a look inside the mine as everything progresses. It adds more information to your mine exploring videos, fascinating.

Back in the day (early 80's) I helped out with the group that was mapping wild sections of Mamouth Cave in Kentucky. Compass/inclinometers, 100 feet measure chains, and carbide lamps were the tools of trade the day.

@RussellNelson

9 ай бұрын

Did you know Jack Freeman? He was my father-in-law, for a time.

@loucatozzi7656

9 ай бұрын

@@RussellNelson That name does not sound familiar. I was working with the group exploring Roppel Cave, mostly outside the park but connections were found into Mamouth Cave proper.

@RussellNelson

9 ай бұрын

@@loucatozzi7656He helped found the Cave Research Foundation. It was simply a matter of bad timing that he wasn't on the crew that connected Mammoth with Flint Ridge.

Best series you've done. Please keep these updates coming. A thought on working in old stopes with questionable stulls and other timbering - Guys around here who do repair on termite damage use an ice pick to poke into beams to see if they require replacement. Wonder if that technique is also used to see how deep the rot goes into a timber?

I am serious about conservation, preservation, ect, but convoluted, nonsensical (even corrupt!) government regulation just makes me want to slam my head against granite sometimes - feel for you there. Fantastic series man, thanks for documenting so much of your progress and everything involved, even the "small" stuff like that survey. Stay safe.

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

Yes, I am committed to those principles as well, which is why something like the orders we were given on the waste rock are so frustrating. It was unnecessarily destructive and wasteful.

@OGRocker1

9 ай бұрын

@@TVRExploring In sarcastc humer." but it makes "them" feel more powerful to watch you jump through "their" hoops!" ....... Sorry did I say that in public. Take care bro,.... love the series and your explores, howdy from the Gold Hill mining district of southern Oregon. ⛏⚒⛏🎩

@davidy7418

9 ай бұрын

I agree that senseless regulations are senseless. But you can come to western Pennsylvania (where I live) and see the very real negative legacy of no mining regulations from a century ago. Let people just do what they want for a quick buck and (the bad apples) will destroy the landscape. Sensible regulations are sensible…

@silasakron4692

9 ай бұрын

@@davidy7418 I can agree with that as well.There is certainly good middle ground, but it is seldom found.

@richardbrobeck2384

9 ай бұрын

for sure then you wonder why so many companies have left for over seas

Yea! New chapter! Thanks!

i love this series, learning quite a bit from the episodes, keep them coming ;)

I’d love to get in a working mine or too even explore an abandoned one. I love watching these types of videos

On Google earth I can see a couple of small rock piles uphill and inline with the main portal you are using. Did the upper levels originally go to the surface?

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Three levels in total - all accessed by adits and connected via an internal winze (and possibly some of the caved stopes). The top adit is the oldest and dates back to 1870. The lower adit (where we're primarily working) is the newest.

We need more updates on the mine!!!!!

Great video, yup. 1928 on the plate

Good times my friend ☝️😄 was just tellin' tales about the winter of '21 to some hikers up here in Sierra City

I do agree that the things they require you to do make no sense whatsoever. Most likely just busy work to ensure further "inspections". The irony of the requirements being far more destructive than simply using what is already available doesn't escape me either. On the other hand, in this day and age with the crew currently running things, it's more than a little surprising that they let you do what you're doing at all. So there's a small consolation, for what it's worth. But I'm glad you're still doing it, as infuriating as things may be. It has been really interesting so far. I imagine when you make a few more breakthroughs into the older bits it should be pretty rewarding.

All time best series. Wish I could watch one everyday!

@RussellNelson

9 ай бұрын

You can! Just watch the same one again and again until a new one comes out.

Date code on back of plate is 8-28 8 for August and 28 for 1928.

Appreciate the update as always!

Love the update ❤️

I know iv probably said this before but it's so good to see a working mine back in order and gives u what the miners did bk in those days , always find your content so interesting and amazing bro , stay safe and keep up the great work you do 🙏🏻

Interesting. Thank you for sharing.

Love these. . . 😎

First! Also glad to see another update on this mine coming back to life! Are you guys mapping so you can find another way into the that room where there was all the great looking ore? Thats seems like the best bet WE, the audience have seen of finding substantial gold in this ole mine.

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

Mapping to create a 3D model to understand exactly where everything is underground and in relation to the surface...

@nikolaisikes6245

9 ай бұрын

@@TVRExploring Interesting! I run a 3D scanner we use to map the structural steel on the inside of the buildings so we can fabricate steel for an exact fit! Our equipment would be a little overkill for mine mapping but I would love to someday map something like a mine using it someday.

@axmajpayne

9 ай бұрын

@@TVRExploring That would be really cool to see once complete.

Scariest words ever spoken... we're from the government and here to help.... lol

Plate:- Albert M. Walker of Akron and Henry Bailey of Cleveland Heights, began production of china in the old Bedford China Works on the 7th May 1923. The Bailey Walker China Co. was incorporated with $150,000 in capital, with Walker as president and Bailey as vice president and general manager.

Isn't that the same stope at the end you all explored a while back that had nice minerals!!!; )

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

Yes, we didn't do a formal survey then. Just got eyes on it to see what was there the first time...

Id like to hear their explanation on why the waste rock placement go-no go determination is important

It's the Gov. What do you expect.

A LIDAR be cool. But nothing beats pen and paper for work when the power goes out

From what I could find Bailey company was out of Ohio. It looks like they started in 1923. As far as I could see since that other decoder is broken off I’m guessing maybe 1928 the plate is.

Good afternoon from Southeast South Dakota

You should know that any time the gov gets involved it becomes more f?ck up

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

Sadly, yes...

Now you know what RULE by agency is about.

Sometimes I think that people that make "rules" make them on the spot just to justify them taking paycheck... Like one time when I was working as chef assistant in kitchen, "inspector" came, look around and said that we need to mark knives by color that are used for different cutting... Me and all staff just stand there with our jaws on the ground because we never heard bigger bullshit... And here we have inspector that came and said that you need put rocks on rocks to prevent rocks from rocking on other rocks as rocks like to rocks...

@leighsayers2628

9 ай бұрын

Clown show here in Australia too ..

Gotta love some mole man math magic 😂 Or is it magic math 🪄🧙

A hydroelectric generator on that stream would work well. Also, wouldnt a laser rangefinder make measuring a lot easier than a tape measure?

It's about leachate from the tailings runoff duiring a rainstorm

Nice video,it’s interesting to watch the work being done it might seem boring to you but it’s a nice change of pace. Those two yellow ore cars outside the entrance they seem to be more stable do you have less derailing?

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Not really less derailing... Once you get the ore cars squared away, the tracks start to have issues from all of the use. By the time that you have the track issues sorted out, the ore cars are having issues again. It's an endless cycle.

Is any of the surveying done with lasers or just the old school way?

So do you have plans to use the ore car that is on 2nd level?

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

No, it would not be practical to use as it is rusted and rotted beyond recovery.

Are you prohibited in running rail outside the mine to ease the dumping of the waste rock?

Your new drift is heading toward an ore body or connecting to older workings?

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

Hopefully, it will intercept the unmapped older workings, but the intent is to create a core drilling station at the end regardless.

thanks, vent should be right to the face when drilling, i think the rules for waste dump were not that bad, it gave you a larger area for the future, try not to run them down on camera, they would watch this. keep them coming friend.

The maker company opened in 1924 in Bedford, Ohio.

In Vancouver Canada they banded plastic grocery bags for the environment. But most food is wrapped in plastic ?????? 🇨🇦

@leighsayers2628

9 ай бұрын

Same here in Australia ..then you have to buy a plastic bag for your groceries all in plastic ..unreal ..

The plate was made in 1928. The first digit below the stamp is the month, the 2nd number is the year. I cant tell exactly what the first number is.

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@matthewtracy8744

9 ай бұрын

@TVRExploring thank you for your videos! I explore a lot of western Montana mines. But most are just ruins of old buildings. I seldom find adits that go very far. You find amazing history man!

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

Well, we're fortunate enough to be in the heart of the Mother Lode region of California. So, it's given us a lot to work with. @@matthewtracy8744

@matthewtracy8744

9 ай бұрын

@TVRExploring I'm just outside of Butte. I'm in the heart of Montana gold country. But the mines here are sooo wet!! Springs everywhere. So many have caved in, it's hard to find anything preserved. You are definitely in the most preserved gold country I've ever seen! One day I want to see the workings below butte. But most have been flooded.

Please recover the ore cart and use it for your operations.

Did you never show results of the core drilling? Is This new drift undercutting the ore body or did you find a new vein?

That china looks from before WWII as industrialisation took over thereafter. I wonder: Do you have FLIR of the topographical state of the outside? Are there any risks like areas of loose rock or benefits like „maybe that waste can be processed“ or is it just to have multiple phases and waste heaps? That outcrop seems to be quite the intrusion, I assume that‘s why there‘s been a mine there for about 150a?

@-r-495

9 ай бұрын

Great job, thank you for sharing!

Was that a hp48 calculator??? WOW!!! And yes, China exports lots of plates hahahahahaha

That plate was made in 1928

@8:39 There are what looks like 3 metal chimneys in the background. Maybe do a short walk around and show us more?

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Those are trees, not chimneys. I've shown everything there is outside and underground...

Yes that was a turkey serving dish. Idk 🤷‍♂️

Buy a rock crushed turn the waste rock into gravel. Then sell the gravel to make some of your money back for future use.

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

We're not allowed to. We wanted to use some of the gravel-sized waste rock to improve the muddy dirt road, for example, but were prevented from doing so.

@Porty1119

5 ай бұрын

@@TVRExploringWhen in doubt, blame it on the ranchers/loggers/whoever. Not that I've ever seen that done...

@TVRExploring

5 ай бұрын

They watch us like hawks. We shaved down the large boulder in the middle of our pad and the next time the USFS was out there, they accused us of illegally expanding the waste rock pile. We had to prove that there was more space on the pad because we had made the huge boulder smaller and not because we had added waste rock to the edge of the historical pile (the absurdity of why we can't utilize the existing pile is a whole other story). @@Porty1119

@Porty1119

5 ай бұрын

@@TVRExploringThat is nuts. The regulatory agencies here largely shut down in 2020 and never reopened outside of office work. Fortunately we mine on patented ground miles away from USFS land.

@TVRExploring

5 ай бұрын

Patented is the way to go! @@Porty1119

Always bear in mind that if the government can slow you down enough and cause you to bleed enough money, then your accountant will eventually tell you to cease operations. The regulators get paid the same salary whether they are expending the effort to inspect your workings or inspecting the sealed portals from the front seat of their truck after they run you off.

Looks to me like the government regulator is asking you to set up your waste rock pile with a catch bund and the depth of the area looks about the the same size as a normal full bench in an open cut mine to be sure of slope stability . It’s probably because that’s what their literature says is recommended and they are used to dealing with large mining operations.🤪 they will drive you crazy.

Have you guys found any gold in this mine yet?

I apologize for comments if you are in CA I'm going to make. Those rules you must follow are ridiculous. If MSHA is requiring this, I suppose you have to play that game with them. Florida requires that areas used for mining (phosphate at least) be remediated to return to its natural state. I've seen the process and it doesn't take long for native plants to return. I wish it was easier for you guys.

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Yes, this is in California, but they are federal rather than state regulations. So, the state doesn't matter in this case. It is the Forest Service and not MSHA hitting us with those requirements.

Wondering how they did it 100+ years ago?

When it rains, thus eroding everything, they can charge for another survey

Rules, laws, ????

Remember those " people " don't want you there. It is as if you are taking their freedom away.

@Freedomquest08

9 ай бұрын

Yeah. Remember the big govt/MSM campaign in the '70's -'80's of 'saving it for the children' by putting locked green gates on roads all over the west, expanding Wilderness, etc.? Now it's 40 years later and much of Gen Z doesn't even know what camping is and they believe if they do, some monster (like bigfoot) will come eat them, so now they just stare at their phones. Who took who's freedom away?

Are they worried about tailing spills that are toxic? It looks like just plain rocks your dumping…hurts nothing.

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

The waste rock coming out is exhaustively tested. It is completely inert and harmless. You could drink the water coming out of our mine without any filtering or processing.

If your mining operation is in California, Oregon or Washington, I have great concern for all of your sanity as logic, reason or flexibility does not exist in any of their regulatory agencies.

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Yes, it is California. You're mostly dealing with federal regulations in mining and, with those, it does not matter what state you're in. The mines are where they are, which is not necessarily in the most friendly location.

@erichaskell

8 ай бұрын

@@TVRExploring Agree. Generally the states mentioned accept and institute EPA and other federal agency regulations but the kicker is two fold: they use these adopted regulations like a finely honed saber as they see fit and often institute additional state regulations. This puts you and your buddies squarely in their crosshairs and like someone who hates to be happy, these state regulators hate you but additionally, they love their jobs as it allows their basest persona to be instituted. Good luck and happy mining.

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Haha, I see that you are not unfamiliar with the ways of the world, Eric... Indeed, the situation is exactly as you described. History demonstrates that this cycle of power and decline is an endless one, but I still view the current circumstances with some sadness. If our motives were profit-driven, this experience would be nothing short of masochism. @@erichaskell

@erichaskell

8 ай бұрын

@@TVRExploring Unfortunately I learned these things I have conveyed the hard way having tried to general contract my future home in Washington. It became evident when I reached the permitting stage that the building inspection department was poised to devour me should I try this foolishness. I declined, sold my very wonderful five acre parcel, the home I was living in, moved to Idaho. It was like moving to another planet. I reside here eight years later still saddened from my experience but a bit wiser. Well, maybe.

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

A property that has been in the family for generations keeps me tied to the increasingly authoritarian area that you left for greener pastures... It is frustrating and I have no hope of things improving in my lifetime. @@erichaskell

Is doing math underground different than math above?

How much waste rock you planning on having in the next 10 years?

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Too soon to tell... We're still in the exploratory phase. Probably not a lot though.

Where else are environmentalist can I use their education but working for our government! Look what a good job they’ve done on Plumas National Forest among others. Let California be an example!

That's the government for ya. Creating their own problems. U would think they would learn eventually

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

You would think, but they don't seem to...

People who spend their whole lives behind a desk make regulations for people who work (no wonder such crap comes out of it) 😁👍

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Yes, they grow increasingly out of touch with the real world and the impact that their actions have on it...

Government officials are trying to make it cost so much money is all 😢😢😢 Sadly

Sounds like California rules.

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Federal rules, not California rules... California has actually been friendly and easy to work with.

Pretty sure that is the governments objective is to drive your costs up so you quit.

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

It is almost impossible for a small-scale miner to turn a profit now.

@patruddiman4228

9 ай бұрын

@@TVRExploring I really wish you and your crew the best. Love the videos.

That whole waste rock business is gross, and almost sounds like it's an intentional barrier to entry for smaller operations. Y'all would be significantly smaller of a footprint with a simple loop of track on the surface, have a way lower overhead, etc. I'd love to see someone who's pro mine pro environment and interested in law actually push that issue/track down the legal standings they are using and explain them. Like one of those channels that "audits" cops, only it's the EPA for things like this. Have you thought about trying anything new like a 3d scanner during your survey? I'd be curious to see how it compares to the hand notes

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

Yes, all of that is true, which is why the unnecessary waste and destruction was so frustrating. I believe the "audits" you referenced could be equally applicable in almost any governmental entity!

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

It's not a huge mine and so the added cost and complexity of a 3D scanner seemed excessive.

@seldoon_nemar

9 ай бұрын

@@TVRExploring oh, I'm not talking about any of the crazy accurate expensive ones, more like using your phone's scanner with a battery pack. Brent over at Cero Gordo was messing with that kinda thing and it's actually better than you'd think. Only downside is you'd have to walk through the mine swinging a camera phone around and pointing in all the nooks and crannies... 😜😂 It would be interesting to see your drift progress like that at least, and that should just take a walk from outside to the face and back, then just update the new work periodically. You'd actually be able to give us a map on screen for one thing 🗺️☺️ Also, there's no place like home to learn a new skill, and you're already playing on your phone waiting for the shot probably 😝

One of the great lies of all time….I from the government and I am here to help

Paper pushers are terrible, they lack the ability too think logically lol batteling a few myself for 6 years already, winning small battles, the wood in there needs a bit of refreshment by the looks of it wow great video again thnx

Doubtless the regulator, never having been anywhere near an operating mine, has been on a box ticking course, together with a politically correct course and therefore knows… everything. It's the same all the world over. R

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

Sadly, yes.

@leighsayers2628

9 ай бұрын

They make you comply ..that gives them power ...clown show here in Australia too .

What a wasted amount of time, fuel, and energy on a stupid location for waste rock. Was it the state or federal government that made y'all have a different waste rock pile?

@TVRExploring

6 ай бұрын

The federal government... And, yes, aside from the significant extra time, fuel and energy, we were forced to destroy a part of the forest when, instead, we could have simply dumped the waste rock on the bare waste rock pile that already exists.

Does the government for you? Why do you think this country is going down the shitter?

A government officials job, is to ensure his job security by dreaming up ways to remain relevant.

What I have learned , is nothing makes sense in Commiefornia , and then they think every state should model after them , Crazy Man ! 🥴

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Yes, this is in California, but these are all federal regulations. So, in this case, the state doesn't matter. Anyone working in the US would have to put up with this.

“That is stupid..” Remember, you guys ARE in California, right? Is it really a surprise the government has its collective head in a very dark place?

@TVRExploring

9 ай бұрын

These are all federal regulations involving the waste rock, not California regulations.

Maybe all you people that are bitching about environmental and government regulations should go get a degree or two and apply for the regulators job and fix the problems instead of just complaining. After all WE are the government and remember we only have ourselves to blame when it doesn't work!

@TVRExploring

8 ай бұрын

Your point about people doing something rather than just complaining is well taken. However, there are other alternatives to joining the regulatory agencies.