There was alcohol around everywhere there. I haven’t heard of a cold being given “a glass of hot whisky” before.

The whole point is that Sebastian is impervious to health--that because he is enamored with his childhood, and because of the sickness at heart inherited by his father's absence, he is unable to cope with the world. The breakup of the old order symbolized in the aristocracy, Catholicism, and the nuclear family, is the sickness that Waugh understands and the sickness that he accuses in the pages of Brideshead. At the end, the house is in ruins. Think on that.

@luisecawthorne1025

Ай бұрын

Very good metaphor. 1 tiny point, as alcoholism is inherited, it probably wouldn’t have made much difference had his father been there. Cordelia was the only one not affected by her mothers control

You have to remember that the character of cordelia, like all the Flytes, has a key part of herself missing. Whether it be the sickness of longing for a love that will never appear or just simply the crime of being just simply devoid of the urge for life (like Bridehead). She just chooses the path of christian devotion to fill that hole and possibly achieves being a decent human being through that by default but I have always found her story to be one of the most tragic in Brideshead Revisted.

@cuqrious

Жыл бұрын

Nonsense! She is a young girl brought up entirely aristocratic and become quiet charm underlying sagacity that such of that milieu were molded. She also had the iron backbone of that class.

@heyyou9839

9 ай бұрын

lol and the “loves” of Charles left him tragic and bereft too, as did those of Sebastian, and Julia, and Lady Marchmain. Singleness isn’t a disease you know

@luisecawthorne1025

Ай бұрын

The only thing that I find awful about that “love that will never appear” is because any possibility is closed to her, any opportunity for love outside her church is already closed off. Even if she were attractive, she’d still have to find an acceptable Catholic for Lady M or Bridey, whose wife was widowed.

It's funny watching Charles and Julia in these earlier episodes knowing what will happen with them later

There seems to be a gap at the end of this part. We see Cordelia running and then nothing. But the next part starts with talking about Sebastian's behavior in a scene we haven't seen.

Alcoholism was one of the biggest contributors to the destruction of the great friendship. I'm aware of the other forces that also tore apart the friendship but the friendship would have survived if Sebastian had not so clouded his judgement with alcohol. Sebastian would have dragged Charles away from the poisonous family except Sebastian was too drunk to do that.

Sebastian was both an alcoholic and gay at a time when neither was completely understood. This is why he went to pieces as he did.

At 2.40 it looks like a radiator on the left side of the corridor. Did they have rads in 1924?

Why doesn't Charles help him? He has become the family's friend, not Sebastians..

I'm not saying the entire family was poisonous but there were definitely some snotty attitudes. Basically they expected Charles to behave like a proper gentleman but they still wanted to treat him like a child. They were so mixed up in their expectations that there was no room for Charles inside the role his family had created for him.

@luisecawthorne1025

Ай бұрын

Yes, and L M wanted him as some sort of glorified butler to keep an eye on Sebastian. Julia needed to have an outlet for her rebellious guilt & then to vent her conscience & Cordelia just a childlike friend

I agree entirely. I think she was the only member of the family who genuinely cared about Sebastian. I don't think any of the others did. I admired her for going off to Spain as a nurse. Which side was she on? I forgive her the remark she made about the Venables having taken their grooms out of top hats that year. The problem with being rich, not having to work and living in an ivory tower is that you have very little to think about except such things as grooms' hats!!

@krane33 i have, i never thought it suggested that

It's not the family that is poisonous, nor even the alcohol. It is the lack of family, the lack of humanity that causes it. Waugh would not have defamed the family at all. Brideshead revisited is an attack on modernity.

@BurkeanConservatism poor jeremy covers for sebastian behavior. the friendship to me is becoming very one sided. such a shame.

It's horrifying how Charles virtually takes over Sebastian's family. It feels like Sebastian's feelings for him were pure but Charles' were a mirage and his true agenda was social climbing. Not that such a thing is a capital offence but you take my meaning here.

@heyyou9839

9 ай бұрын

Not in the book, he argues hugely with Lady Marchmain in the book

@luisecawthorne1025

Ай бұрын

Is it an opposite of misogyny? That because the family antagonist who exerts control is a woman, that Charles must be at fault? At Oxford when she was visiting & Charles was trying to help Sebastian, she said “but he’s free, always & this is the result. Protestants always think Catholic priests are spies”. Here’s a thought: given 3 years freedom, Bridey was like a badger. He didn’t want to be priest, or a politician or go into the Guards. As eldest son he had a lot of time & priveledge & enjoyed being a bulstrode in others lives

Movie Proposal: Sebastian Flyte Vs. The World. In an alternate universe that contains both ragtime and e-mail, Sebastian must defeat Charles's seven evil exes... The plot culminates in Charles agreeing to stay with Sebastian despite Seabstian being unmotivated and unemployed. I'm sorry. I am very sorry.

sebastien is being quite a jerk here. can't believe even thouh he is drunk that he would act thatway toward his friend.