We are not gonna talk about Coccaro clearly being push from behind by the Miami defender in the box

@titanbronco1627

3 ай бұрын

What's the keyword in that sentence? That's right, Miami.

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

Coccaro appears to certainly have gotten done wrong there. What I also picked up from the highlights is that he missed 2 clear opportunities. One was an open net in the 12th minute where he chose to wait until the defense recovered. Then on the play where he got fouled he couldn't put away a 1v1 with the keeper and then didn't pull the trigger when he had an opening on the cutback. He hesitated and then got fouled instead. He was also responsible for Miami's first goal by jumping into his teammate who was in position to head the cross out. So 2 clearly missed goals and one he gave to the other team. Is this his typical way of playing?

It's 2024, how do we not have the angles available to call a goal in a major league sport. I could do it with an android phone.

@TepidWater

3 ай бұрын

Right? Like if they're going to say goal line technology is too expensive (which I don't buy) then at least make sure you have cameras that can see the goal line.

@brucemcintyre6088

3 ай бұрын

Tiny cameras that could attach to the inside of the post or underside of the crossbar, maybe behind a plastic screen so as not to change the shape of the woodwork, would do the job nicely. Not too expensive.

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

@@brucemcintyre6088 They had cameras in goalposts years ago. They gave a better view of these, but they were never completely accurate because they couldn't stay calibrated exactly on the goal line the entire game. Just a millimeter off and you'd have a very misleading angle to figure out. Think the offside line angle we're always trying to account for but worse. That said, it would help with clear and obvious calls but when you got down to a couple inches it wasn't helpful. Not sure why they went away though other than they were sponsored and the sponsorship stopped. (?)

@jomarzan

3 ай бұрын

yes. what is the reason behind not implementing goal line or offside technology?

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

@@jomarzan For goal line tech: Only 7 leagues in the world use it. There is a substantial cost to it. It requires a series of cameras throughout the stadium which may not be possible with some current stadium designs. The multi-use stadiums mean added costs and hurdles to overcome in order to have them set up properly on a weekly basis. For offside tech: The opinion is split as to whether that's good for the game. It's not as accurate as they initially claim and quite frankly is against the spirit of the game. As with above, it's also very expensive and requires a lot of cameras around the stadiums. I personally am glad it is not used.

Dear MLS, stop being cheap. Put more cameras in the stadiums and pay the actual refs. Having scabs as the officials is gross.

@dv8mr226

3 ай бұрын

We can’t afford 2 go pros per goal in every stadium, but Miami can spend 34 million to Orlando’s 14 million on salaries. This is what ruined baseball, just outspend your competition.

@ShadowSoccerAddict

3 ай бұрын

@@dv8mr226 I agree with you. But sadly that’s effectively how every big 5 soccer league operates. Fulham don’t have a snowballs chance in hell against Chelsea because they spend so much.

@baxtronx5972

3 ай бұрын

Tim Apple can't afford that.

Can’t call the Lima handball and not the Gregerson one imho. It’s the exact same, except the ball is headed towards the goal on the Gregerson incident, which should make it more obvious. Both players have their arms down but elbows bent at 90° angles. Ball hits both in their forearm/hand. Both unintentional, ball deflects off another part of Lima first, direct hit while going to ground on ATL. Makes no sense to me

Crazy how you are only talking about the ones the referees got right. But there was so many they got wrong

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

The show sure is short this week....

@nathanboyd8453

3 ай бұрын

First time watching?

Exceptional work by the CR on the Copetti play to not call a PK, and maintain his call despite VAR initiating review. Don’t know what the VAR was on but they showed the third angle which doesn’t show anything in a clear and obvious manner either way. Not good use of VAR and I hope Greg calls that out in his next Inside Video Review segment.

@antoinest-pierre597

3 ай бұрын

I'm a little confused it's not mentioned in the video, but the GK gets a touch on the ball. It's clear on 1st and 3rd angles. So even if he had tripped the player, which he didn't, he made a play on the ball and not the player, and was successful in doing so.

@johnmcgimpsey1825

3 ай бұрын

@@antoinest-pierre597 Even if he got the ball, that's not a mitigation for a foul. The only Law 12 criterion is who initiated the contact - if the attacker trips over the keeper, play on; if the keeper's slide trips the attacker, PK.

Are we not going to talk about Orlando getting the whistle blown on them when they've won a set piece?

@dv8mr226

3 ай бұрын

Orlando gets no love from most of the refs. 11 on 10 I enter each game knowing. Miami game 3 fouls from same player in 3 minutes, what is persistent infringement again?

@VAM586

3 ай бұрын

@@dv8mr226exactly

@VAM586

3 ай бұрын

That’s not the only thing, st Claire absolutely sat down McGuire early game, should’ve been a pen and st Clair should have been sent off for how much he time wasted. And that corner final whistle call? Pft.

I remember when weibe was pretty clear he disagreed with the second ATL penalty at the end of the game on live tv. Glad he finally saw it was a clear handball

id say no handball on the rsl player. Dude was clearly shoved by the other team

Get this man a raise, he's got the single most fun segment on the channel and the most controversial.

Will they mention the SCAB refs?

For me, it seems like the ball from Löwen went in after Stuver swatted the ball down and bounced toward the goal. The ball hit the edge of the line when he hit it down and then it bounced further into the goal. There were about 5 other bad calls during that game, but what do I know?

@skiddydopoppop6898

3 ай бұрын

I agree with you, but MLS oh so loves the term "clear and obvious." The main ref didn't call the goal, nor did the AR, so play continued and we weren't award the goal. Even if a VAR review was initiated, there were no camera angles that proved that it was "clear and obvious" that the ball went over the line. Analyzing the video deeply to show that the ball probably did go over the line is not clear nor obvious, so there isn't much we can do about that. It wouldn't cost all that much to stick a GoPro or something in the woodwork to avoid this in the future, but alas, MLS would rather make so many shitty refing decisions that they have a weekly show to go over calls and specifically told the broadcasters not to call out officiating mistakes on air or provide their own opinion. City has been shafted in the past by bad refing decisions and will continue to get shafted in the future. All we can do is accept it for what it is.

MLS needs a goal line camera

@johnmcgimpsey1825

3 ай бұрын

Way too expensive for the few times per year a goal decision occurs that VAR can't resolve. Last I saw, Hawkeye would cost MLS in the neighborhood of $12-15M to install and $1.5-$2M to operate per season - there are better uses for that money. My guess is that they'll live with what they have until they're forced to install semi-automated offside with a ball that transmits its position.

@michaelcreek3813

2 ай бұрын

@@johnmcgimpsey1825 They didn't say goal line tech. They said put some cameras on the goal line that would give VAR a better view instead of these useless camera angles from beyond the 18 yard line. Putting some cameras on the goal line would cost almost nothing.

What happened to the Extratime podcast? They stopped uploading to KZread?

@TheCrazyCloon

3 ай бұрын

Ya, you have to go find their podcast. I use PodcastAddict

MLS needs more cameras, some of these plays would look better and you’d have a better idea of what happened during a play.

Despite people's incessant crying about something something GoPro on the corner flag (🤣), there's an AR on the line whose job is to see down the line. Because YOU have a bad view doesn't mean the AR does.

Where is the foul on Coccaro during CFMTL vs Miami

"The North Carolina boys think they have a penalty" Not a single player shown in the frame complains about the non-call

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

38 seems to. He's 35+ yards away, but.....

I agree not clear and obvious in the STL Austin game. However, this is a good reason why MLS needs to join the big boy leagues and get goal line tech.

@johnmcgimpsey1825

3 ай бұрын

Never going to happen. Last I saw, the IFAB-approved Hawkeye tech costs over $300K to install and $50K/year to operate per stadium (and I'm assuming it can even be installed in portable goals in multi-use stadiums). No way owners are going to cough up that kind of money for a handful of decisions that can't be resolved by VAR. If MLS ever goes to semi-automated offside with the ball that transmits its position, that will probably make GLT obsolete.

@ashleboy

3 ай бұрын

If that happened on a Messi free kick we would have goal-line technology the next week.

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

@@ashleboy Nah. Messi wouldn't care either given he's retired now.

Do you know why toronto is called the 6 ? .............. ............... Because it's the city's score out of 10

Pay the refs!

I was at that red bull match just needed to show that it is indeed a penalty as people are saying it isn't

0:25 Ravas' PK: Looks to me like the referee was a little quick on the whistle. He should have waited another second or two for the advantage to play out. I think he knew it too. 3:33 Copetti's PK: Did you purposely keep cutting that last angle so that we couldn't see the full play? Some would say you were hiding something to paint a picture or it was just bad editing. 3:52 Eneli's Handling: It appears he was off balance because the attacker gave him a shove. It wasn't an 'involuntary movement' as you put it. VAR should have seen that as an obvious error and recommended a DFK coming out of the back.

@MEATBALLmonty

3 ай бұрын

3:33... 3 different angles were shown. Just scroll the video back if you want... this isn't the movie theater.

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

​@@MEATBALLmonty The last angle shows the cleanest view of the entire play. They show the slide initially goes under the attacker, but then they cut it before the follow through and the attacker landing, diving, etc. You can't see that clearly from the other angles as well. It would have been so easy to show another 1 second. Absolutely no reason to leave that doubt hanging.

It's so frustrating that the camera angles in the MLS are never satisfactory, they are always struggling to get a clear image. Why do we not at least have goal-line technology? It was introduced in 2014.

@brandonadams7837

3 ай бұрын

GLT costs close to a million per stadium. Waste of money. Adding a couple of cameras closer to the goal line is the cheaper and smarter option.

@Korhaan_RL

3 ай бұрын

@@brandonadams7837 thank you

Premier league wouldn't dare have a show like this and if they did, they'd only show the ones the refs got correct.

Copetti could make it as a professional diver after the career in soccer runs it's course.

1:56 you can see the defender outstretching his arms to hit the ball down so it doesnt go in. Theres no way that wasn't a handball. Shouldve been a PK and a card. He used his hands to block a direct shot on goal.

Hey MLS pay your F’in refs! We are sick of these SCABS!

No team is screwed more often by officiating decisions, week in, week out, than the Revs. The Nottingham Forest of MLS.

NO WAY YOU SKIPPED MIAMI'S PENALTY? YOU ARE NOW PROVING THE BIAS FOR MESSI AND THE NEED FOR INTER GOING TO MLS CUP

@coltduke9603

3 ай бұрын

Didn’t watch the game. Wym Miamis penalty ?

@angelcityprinting

3 ай бұрын

@@coltduke9603watch the highlights of the miami game, they took down a player and didnt call a PK... and MLS is sweeping it under the rug

@crunchwrapsupreme8812

3 ай бұрын

Its all a money grab from the retiree, and apple pushing feelings to get footbal to usa market

@N22Gether

3 ай бұрын

Messi did not play vs Montréal, not even on the bench

@KorbinX

3 ай бұрын

​@N22Gether he won't play on turf, it'll void his left leg warranty lolil

How does MLS not have goal line technology at the very least? And when will it get offside tech as well? Leagues worth far less than MLS have both, time to be at least a semi serious league

@KorbinX

3 ай бұрын

Because MLS is a company and not a traditional league like in other countries.

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

Only 7 leagues in the world use it. There is a substantial cost to it. It requires a series of cameras throughout the stadium which may not be possible with some current stadium designs. The multi-use stadiums mean added costs and hurdles to overcome in order to have them set up properly on a weekly basis.

@MrRob2084

3 ай бұрын

@@MrCho14 if we are talking offside tech sure… how about goal line tech? These billionaire owners can’t afford the technology? Let’s be serious here this isn’t about affordability

@johnmcgimpsey1825

3 ай бұрын

@@MrRob2084 It is about affordability when you figure that there are only a handful of decisions throughout the league in a season that can't be resolved by VAR. Hawkeye GLT is a six-figure installation per stadium plus ongoing operation cost. The owners have better places with a higher ROI to put $15M.

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

@@MrRob2084 How much do you think it is? They're billionaires for a reason and giving away game day profit isn't part of their success plan. That aside, there are practical issues with stadiums to deal with. There is zero chance you put it in only some of the stadiums. I don't know for certain, but I feel like that happening for NYCFC is less than likely. There are other shared use stadiums to deal with the owners as well.

The hand on the shoulder shouldn’t be a foul unless there is some kind of pull. Maybe there was in this one but if that is the threshold for a foul, please call it consistently. Next segment I expect wiebe to hold to that standard.

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

I get what you're saying, but that's a foul any day in any league unless there's another angle showing it as a dive. Based on what was shown, there's no question.

The revs game was completely rigged in my opinion i think they should have got the pen

@zombazukahz

3 ай бұрын

1st goal, clearly a penalty, second goal, his arm is outstretched.

@blobbyplayz9192

3 ай бұрын

@@zombazukahz still think it hit his arm. revs should have got the pen

Put some fucking more cameras in so that you do not have to deal with these kinds of issues. Also, it has been 6 years since the VAR was implemented, yet the VAR officials cannot draw the offside line, and the referee has to check himself manually on the screen every time in case of any dispute. MLS is a big fucking joke.

Remember everyone, they only cover incidents they're tagged about-like he says at the end of every video: "if you see something, say something"

@brucemcintyre6088

3 ай бұрын

Yes, but he's missed the real issue in the Atlanta penalty, which is that the referee could have let the play go on rather than blow it dead as a goal was being scored despite the foul. Had Atlanta missed the penalty this could have been a major blown call.

@ianbrudnakvoss3126

3 ай бұрын

@@brucemcintyre6088 I don't really think there's much to discuss there. The ref just got it wrong, not like it could be called back. Obviously if they had missed the pen it would be here, but it didn't end up mattering

lol, i like these replacement referees 10x better than the "usual" ones. 🤣👍

MATCH DAY 3! Enough of this bs with Miami’s first game being day 1.

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

Seems like an odd fight to start especially when this is the way it's done elsewhere. Are you suggesting that Miami played 2 games on match day 1?

I absolutely hate that we've come to a point where we think because there was contact it's a foul. GG stuck his foot out SO THAT he could draw a pen...that keeper did absolutely nothing to him and it was incidental at best, only Giakumakis throws himself at the ground. Same with Lewis Morgan. "The hand on his shoulder unbalances him"...no, he felt a hand on his shoulder and flung his body backwards. I know that's how the game is called today but it's really a shame.

INVEST IN EITHER GOALLINE TECHNOLOGY OR AT MINIMUM TWO CAMERA INSIDE EVERY GOAL. INSANITY THAT AUSTIN DOESNT HAVE A CAMERA INSIDE THEIR GOAL.

@johnmcgimpsey1825

3 ай бұрын

Can't use a non-IFAB approved GLT system in a top-tier or international game. The IFAB approved Hawkeye GLT system would cost MLS $12-$15M dollars to install, IIRC. Cameras inside the goal would be fun to see, but they wouldn't be used to change any game decisions.

This guy talking doesn´t know about penalties, last one clearly a dive, same one of the first ones, another one where the ball going to goal and handball, says no penalty, the other one barely touching shoulder and goes down as if who knows what, not penalty. It shows he´s from US not actually knowing. How come you don´t have eagle eye or a lot of different camera angles?

@MEATBALLmonty

3 ай бұрын

It's a US league...

@MrCho14

3 ай бұрын

Where do the laws say anything about a ball headed to goal or not affecting a handball decision?

Probably a goal for St Louis, but they also should’ve had 3 players sent off, so yaknow.

@TheCrazyCloon

3 ай бұрын

Lol what???