It's so strange that no-one ever mentions Krysten Ritter in these. Her performance is amazing in the second season. It indirectly gave aaron his emmy's, her death and his reaction is what gave jesse lead-character depth. Where mr. Paul becomes the award-winning actor. Come on! Killing Jesse in the first season would have been a fucking collosal mistake. Sure, Jane's death was real brilliance to Breaking Bad. But if jane was still there... it's strange that no-one ever mentions krysten ritter.

@mechadoggy

2 жыл бұрын

I just wish Jane’s death didn’t come until a lot later.

not saving her was smaller step that killing her, but THAT was the moment when he actually cross that tiny line, no going back from that point... ...the best show ever

That scene was one of the most horrifying tragic scenes I've ever seen on TV/movie. It just made my jaw drop.

That scene really hit me hard.

@anthonychobot2342

6 жыл бұрын

racer4nfs 1st

@yourconscience6213

4 жыл бұрын

Me too. I had a severe breakdown watching it (just watching now on Netflix) because my brother died the same way, last year. He aspirated on his own vomit, while high on heroin. It's the biggest loss I ever suffered. Watching Jesse try to revive her brought on some awful PTSD symptoms.

@anshitsrivastava4078

4 жыл бұрын

@@yourconscience6213 Hope you are better than before

@eternityD9

3 жыл бұрын

@@anshitsrivastava4078 My condolances about your 1st name.

@eternityD9

3 жыл бұрын

@@anshitsrivastava4078 An shit

Vince gilligan sounds like Badger XD

@TheFlowerofSpades

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@ShitOwl

4 жыл бұрын

yeah hahaha a tad bit less annoying tho

@bulkbogan5849

4 жыл бұрын

they both sound like they have to clear their throats lol

@bob6256

4 жыл бұрын

Helicopter, bitch!

@Heisenberg.69

3 жыл бұрын

@@bob6256 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I remember that 😂😂 .. he was psycho.

I will never forget Jane's death scene. Shocking. Walter isn't just plain old Mr. White any more. A real point of no return. If only all television could be this good.

It was so sad when she died. Great chemistry between those two characters

That was a really smart choice they made in dialing it back. Great call.

as a heroin addict, watching jane die was the single hardest moment of television history for me. i can't think back on that season without having an overwhelming feeling of nausea from just how revealing it is of that kind of lifestyle. i often feel like tv tends to glamorize violence and drug use, and i love breaking bad and amc for their frank, profound, and dark depiction of a world that many people do not understand.

@kuronekonova3698

Жыл бұрын

How are things going today, Tina Sung, now that about ten years have gone by?

"You know" -Vince Gilligan, brilliant monologue

I'm binge-watching this show, for the first time. When she blackmailed Walt, I wanted her gone because she was going to ruin the adventures of Walt and Jessie, and it was only Season 2. But afterwards, yeah, I was like, wow, Walt...

jesse and walter jr in one scene

Bizarre that their original approach to Jane's death was so direct...I think what they settled on works much, MUCH better. Not only is it more subtle, less overt, it's also more poignant: Walt is given a choice. Save her, don't save her. There's something more convincing in watching him teeter over into evil than having him jump headlong into it, as would have been the case with the other versions.

@nihlify

Жыл бұрын

It's the nature of doing television shows, you never know if you're going to get cancelled next season. Sometimes that leads to rushing the episodes to get the story out there. Thankfully the show got all the seasons they needed and I guess at the end of season 2 they felt comfortable enough to take it a bit slower and less direct.

I felt like that scene was shocking enough, anymore and I would have freaked

"I'm not gonna kill you but, I don't have to save you" - Batman, Batman Begins

the thing about her death is that before, she was genuinely willing to turn her life around and start a new one with jesse. too bad they never got to live that life..

I heard in an interview that Vince Gilligan said the reason Jesse ended up in that duplex in the first place was that the home they had been using for him had been sold by the owners and they had to wait until the new owners had finished renovating the home (thus Jesse's parents redoing the home and selling it). I wonder if the character of Jane would have existed at all if Jesse's original home had not been sold?

@ryanpurplenintendoeater9869

4 жыл бұрын

But he could of lived there with out there being a Jane and why bring her on the show just to kill her off a few episodes later waste of character

@sharonlefkowitz22

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryanpurplenintendoeater9869 Not a waste at all. The character of Jane played a vital role in the development of both Jesse's character and the relationship between Walt and Jesse. Her death was a HUGE turning point in the show for both characters. Yes, in another story I would like to believe that Jesse and Jane lived a good life together. But in this show her life- and death- were major factors in the path that both Jesse and Walt took . Good Actress. Good Character. Not a waste at all.

@mechadoggy

2 жыл бұрын

@@sharonlefkowitz22 I just wish Jane didn’t die until a lot later in the series

The entire time during that scene I was shouting "ROLL HER OVER, WALT! ROLL HER OVER!" But then again, having her die would get Jesse's head out of her influence and back on his side. Smart, yet morally sacrificial.

That's whats so great about this show. It shows how a basically good man, thinking he will only go so far, cooking and selling meth, eventually via the slippery slope finds himself descending ever deeper into all the evils that man is prone to. Certainly a man as intelligent as Walter realizes that by allowing Jane to die, he had set in motion all the events that caused the death of hundreds of more individuals, even children, (teddy bear and its eye bore witness to that)

He's a protagonist turned into an antagonist

@traebeneck4994

4 жыл бұрын

ya don't say

@overlydramaticpanda

4 жыл бұрын

No. "Protagonist" and "good guy" aren't interchangeable. "Protagonist" literally means "main character" (that's why the term "villain protagonist" exists which is what Walt evolves into); the antagonist is just whoever/whatever stands in the way of the main character achieving their goal - the antagonist is not necessarily a villain. Walt is always the protagonist; the antagonists change over time but the full list is Krazy-8, Tuco, Hector, the Cousins, Gus, Jack and the rest of the Nazis, Lydia, Mike, Hank, Skyler and Jesse.

Vince gillligan looks eerily like anthony fantano

@jacklauder8226

5 жыл бұрын

Ebbtide42 vinthony gilligano

@RagingInsomniac

3 жыл бұрын

Rippity dippity

he struggled to kill the guy in the basement in season 1.. season 2 he kinda killed jane and then season by season... he turns into this monster you just cant get enough of. "I'm not in danger, I AM the DANGER!

This was recorded 11 years ago! Holy fuck!

you really think she would have stopped there? eventually she would have gone to the police and exposed him

@yourconscience6213

4 жыл бұрын

MrTaylork1 I agree. But only if she and Jesse broke up. Because exposing Walt would've exposed Jesse.

thanks!

I cried when Jane died. I REALLY fucking liked her. I feel Jesse should've been WAAAAAYY more pissed at Walt.

@mechadoggy

2 жыл бұрын

I think Jesse was just too emotionally distraught and drained by the time Walt finally confesses to him in Ozymandias

@brenbreez

Жыл бұрын

Cried??? Wow

@mechadoggy

Жыл бұрын

@@brenbreez I mean, I cried too. If Jesse had found out about Walt’s role in Jane’s death a lot earlier (like before he’s getting sold as a slave to Neo-Nazis), I have absolutely zero doubt that Jesse would be enraged to the point of killing Walt altogether in a very brutal fashion and maybe taking on the mantle of Heisenberg for himself.

This just goes to show that the best TV is often made up on the fly. Going with the earlier versions - particularly Walt actually taking the time to cook up some extra heroin and then shooting her up with it - would have been ridiculous. They absolutely made the right call on that one. Another good one is that Gus Fring was created only because the actor who played Tuco unexpectedly left and so had to be killed off much earlier than planned. It clearly worked out better for all involved.

@mechadoggy

2 жыл бұрын

I heard that Raymond Cruz, the guy who played Tuco, left because he didn’t feel comfortable playing such a violent character. I wonder how Breaking Bad would have turned out if they kept Tuco longer.

VERY well put sir/mam.

i guess he had a choice to save her or let fate tie up the loose ends, she knew he did the meth after all

I fucking love Vince Gilligan man! Bryan: I read Vince's version of the scene first and was agasp Vince: ..........well...... Ya know?" LMFAO!

He has such a soft voice.

@lucasluzzi

9 жыл бұрын

***** who?

@IronMan-qi3yg

8 жыл бұрын

+Lucas Michael Luzzi Vince Gilligan

@Dominic-Decoco

6 жыл бұрын

Lucas Michael Luzzi who do you think? fucking heisenberg over there?

@terence5563

5 жыл бұрын

A sophisticated, articulate Badger.

Rewatching the show now makes you appriciate the decision they made even more. Because it does makes you wonder whether Walt did the right thing. Giving two junkies half a million dollars is dangerous and they both would probably end up ODing

Her major contribution was being Jesse's SO. That's a significant development to Jesse's character.

Actually Aaron Paul won his first Emmy for Season 3. You're talking about Season 2, which Paul was nominated for but didn't win. However, you're absolutely right, his performance was nothing short of award-deserving

yea, same with raleigh. kids as young as 14 are shooting up here in the middle of suburbia. i stopped counting how many friends i lost to either a heroin overdose, or a speedball overdose. i think it averages to about two or three a year, not all best friends, but at least acquantainces. it's a cruel and vicious cycle, and i commend anyone who is able to rise above it, and get clean.

My god that would have made the scene even more awful if they went with the first version, I'm glad they didn't because I don't see Season 2 Walter doing that, season 5 Walter however, would have done it in a heartbeat

@mechadoggy

2 жыл бұрын

I actually wish they had Walt deliberately inject Jane

I really felt at the time that walt allowing jane to die wasn't for walt himself... but I thought Walt allowed her to die as a way to get Jesse to sort of realize what the drugs could do and to help him get clean

@MrFreezer1000

3 жыл бұрын

Naaa

"enough people tell ya you're drunk, and you sit down"

I was actually in favour of the second option, where you think he's being a father-figure to her, but then pushes her on her back so she can asphyxiate, more shocking and unexpected, but I think the first one was too dark. I'm happy with the third and final version, but I think the second one was the best of the three.

Good point. It does seem that Jane's death/choosing not to save her did affect him a bit more in the process though. Maybe that was because he knew Crazy 8 would try to kill him if he was let loose anyway...

I second that. I think you're right that Walter White "died" in that crawl space (in fact, the way he's framed in that last scene, raving under the house, makes him look as if he's in a coffin). That's a nice observation and a definite turning point. It's when I think he became so desperate that he finally compromised whatever remaining sense of morality he had to escape his dire situation. It all makes sense, in a weird way, and is even understandable. Not that I excuse his actions, of course.

definitely, very dark.

I like the version where they fought to the death.

I feel like we are arguing the same point?

OH MY GOD YES

She was also probably going to rip off Jessie anyway. Notice how all she mentions is the money and doing what she wanted to do after Walt gives Jessie his money. Still a horrible thing to let her die though.

It's actually been said many times, not only once. Walt's "wipe down" comment towards Bogdan, Walt says it to Gretchen, and he says it a few times when he bumps his head. That is only off the top of my head, I'm sure there are many more.

Same here. In hindsight, he could have tried getting her airway open or call 911. But I didn't see that as letting her die either at first. Maybe that's because of the emotion he had in watching her not really showing anything sinister coming through, you know?

Yup, but that is what happens, the slippery slope really exists, people often say they will go this far but no farther, but then events intervene and people have to make choices, and often those choices being selfish in nature tend to lead ever downward.

Geez can't Vince Gilligan do short answers dang

@JimmyFraska although wikepedia isnt always the best source for information, there is supposed to be 22 more episodes. unless that changes.

Oh yeah. Poor Jessie. It's not like he wasn't dealing crystal meth.

I think the betting question is on who will kill Walt. Skylar, Hank, Jesse, or even Walt's son. I'm thinking it needs to be Jesse, but it could end up in a Mexican standoff with more than two in the final scene.

@AwsmUsername Doubt it since it's basically "made" that network (or so I've heard)

@AwsmUsername Luckily, I assume due to the success of this current season, they've been renewed for a final, sixteen episode season, just like Vince wanted.

I guess that's the point. The escalation of a man that ends up with little to lose and gets tangled too deep. How from Walt he becomes Heisenberg.

That's the whole idea of the show. He's constantly Breaking Bad, but not full on bad...

i am nodding in agreement, couldn't have said it any better

Imagine if vince wrote for the witcher

That scene was the shining scene of season 2

@anthonychobot2342

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Burchell 😭😭😭😭😭

yup

whatever, nothing was boring about this series.

as a recovering addict i dont have any problems with any death or murder in the show,, besides that one, it just feels so unneccasary and awful, she was such a sweet girl on screen and she didnt deserve that, but I understand why they did it, I guess it just hits too close to home. me and my ex got addicted together.

Whether we like or not, I am fairly certain the suffering that Walt and Jesse and Skyler and Flynn and Marie have been going through will not suddenly stop because it is the ending. In fact, I am pretty sure of the Teamthis and teamthat will end up unhappy because this show isn't about teams. It is about staying true to the situation which is meant to simulate real life (something that it for the most part has done really well).

The problem with this show and the grade of badness of heisenberg for me is that it's hard to make the audience hate walt when there is always an antagonist who's 10 times as evil as walt. I think they should have gone with the second version, everybody is screaming how bad walt is but I mean come in look at gus and jack and then walt is the bad guy?

@mr.cifuentes1779

5 жыл бұрын

monokhem walt never fucked over family he got caught up

@ido8601

4 жыл бұрын

Gus isnt that bad. And just because someone is worse doesent excuse walts actions.

even then, he LET her die. which also sparked a chain of events that led to that airplane crash

this show is the shit. Brian Cranston is the shit. Im ready for season 5.

That he chose to keep the (teddy bear) eye is interesting. Why? Considering the implications of the eye, and the guilt he bears around it's coming into his possession in his pool. Why did he keep it??

That's why I think Breaking Bad is so great. They are allowed to go to those dark, mature places. So many shows had so much potential but ended up really badly done because they are forced/not willing to make those big, dark moves. On the topic of Jane I'm not really sure how I feel. She seemed very controlling and somewhat manipulative of Jesse but I still really liked her character, though less and less as the season went on and she started showing her true colors.

like Jessie did, we want too believe that he had better intensions, but he was just selfish...

RIP me

She was contributing to Jesse's addiction. Walt was trying to help him. He probably would have never seen or talked to Walt again. He would have never went to that rehab facility. He would have ended up shooting more heroin in New Zealand with Jane. She said they were going to throw away the left over drugs, but they shot them up instead. This shows that she never actually intended to stop. It was a good thing, in a way.. other than the plane crash that resulted from her grieving father.

@AwsmUsername Yeah. I'm afraid of what they're doing by cutting the Mad Men budget.

Actually he got her in first. Then she went along, then shit got fucked.

AMC didn't fuck it up, comment removed, happy?

Bryan Cranston resembles Phil Hartman. This is the best fuckin show on TV.

i wasn't arguing, just adding to your point lol

@justincgs So true! Take no prisoners, no glamorizing of how bad things can be.

Letting Jane die was the only thing he could have done

He pushed her on purpose? I thought it was an accident, though he didn't actively try to save her.

they also had Walt telling Jesse to "GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS"

@IcyScythe yeah, its definitely morbid

A lot of 'you know'

what would you have him do? save the girl who is killing herself, allowing her to take jesse with her? how would that be a moral choice?

Indeed, in my opinion. And in almost everyone else's opinion, including everyone who actually works on the show. Don't get me wrong - I actually liked Tuco and I wouldn't have minded him staying longer - but the simple fact is that had that happened, Gus Fring as a character would never have existed (Gilligan flat-out said this) and the show would've been VASTLY different. Actually, in the BB "universe" Tuco and Fring must've known each other - I'd LOVE seeing those two having a conversation.

oh man, Walt better hope Jesse never finds out about that!

She WAS fabulous. 2 drug addicts falling in love so easily could appear too hammy or forced, but she and Aaron were a great pair.

Does that make him culpable? He didn't make her do the speedball.

You guys need to understand. Walt saved Jesse from having to deal with junkie vomit all over him.

This is why you don't do drugs kids!

see my feelings would not be as hurt if walter killed her instead of choosing not to save her :(

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

cause everyone already had asked him in the past. and why bring it up at a Breaking Bad panal

How can you debate that he is the protagonist?

@ethanB612 This is a show, not a movie :P And I know what an anti-hero is, and Tony Montana and Daniel Plainview are not anti-heros, they are villainous protagonists; much like Walt. And yes, breaking bad is original and inventive. I have watched every episode, on AMC, as they premiere and own all the DVDs. I know this show. I was originally saying my Dad gave up on this show when Walt let Jane die. And yes, I believe up until season 4, you are supposed to like walt. But not in season 4...

You mean that Gus possibly WANTED Max to get killed? Is that what you mean by "manipulated the meeting?" Because I didn't get that from it at all. If anything, I think that moment completely broke him inside, to the point where he patiently waited 20+ years before coldly taking revenge for it. Hell, I even got subtle vibes that Gus and Max were possibly lovers, but none of my friends agree on that so maybe it's just me. 100% agree with you on Margolis, though! He did so much with so little.

Vince Gilligan looks like MrBeast

I still don't understand why Walt letting Jane die is considered evil. Questionable without a doubt, but his whole motive in that scenario was helping Jesse so I wouldn't call it flat out evil.

You, no.

I think that if Hank didn't shoot Tuco, Gus eventually would have killed him because he's Hector's nephew.