Those numbers were NOT toll-free. You had to *pay* to save Robin. Maybe that's why he died.

@Mun3001s

5 жыл бұрын

Well you also had to pay to kill him, so...

@valletas

5 жыл бұрын

@@Mun3001s thats twice as disturbing and nobody though about it

@DamnedSilly

5 жыл бұрын

Also, 'Kill Robin' won by about the same percentage of the vote as Hillary and Brexit. Not an important point, perhaps but it was a virtual toss-up. Also, having Robin die at that point made vague references in The Dark Knight Returns into prophecy. Fans love continuity.

@bipbilla7699

5 жыл бұрын

*EA wants to know your location*

@vollsticks

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I caught absolute HELL off my Mum and Dad for calling that line....from the U.K!

The "vote for Robin dying/surviving" was NOT a toll-free call, it cost money

@timothybyrne9764

4 жыл бұрын

So what your saying is that the rich linched a kid that they did not like.

@BobBob-qg4lo

4 жыл бұрын

Timothy Byrne so basically Texas

@shnpio

4 жыл бұрын

Timothy Byrne lynched*

@BobBob-qg4lo

4 жыл бұрын

shnpio congratulations on being a pedantic prick, my friend.

@bottomlessnitch4891

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh ya all white here

That intro was gold

@NoJusticeNoPeace

5 жыл бұрын

Virginia Golds.

@sirswearsalot1813

5 жыл бұрын

It's gold Jerry, gold!

@frankjosephjaeger2675

5 жыл бұрын

Comics Troop but I'm a Hardcore Fan is Linkara Atop The Fourth Wall: Were Bad Comics Burn He cool though

@Bob-np9xi

5 жыл бұрын

more like cringe

@LucianCorrvinus

5 жыл бұрын

ѕo wєrє thє cíg.....αwww í wαѕ вєαtєn tσ ít, rєpєαtєdlч....

I've come to realize that the reason I don't care much for deconstruction is that I grew up in the 90s, back then everyone was trying to be dark and edgy and deconstructive, not to mention the real world was in crisis throughout my life, so I guess I'm kinda burned out; I need some optimism

@jamesvanitas

5 жыл бұрын

MakiPcr Good idea. Reconstruction is where it’s at

@RyRidge

5 жыл бұрын

The Weed got a Lot better...

@turtleanton6539

5 жыл бұрын

Yuuuuup

@turtleanton6539

5 жыл бұрын

@@jamesvanitas 100%

@turtleanton6539

5 жыл бұрын

@Stix N' Stones true

A few days after the first time I watched this I went to my towns comic shop and asked the guy if he had "a possibly obscure maybe older comic called BratPack" and the dude walked over to a section and pulled out a hidden copy. Like he was waiting for someone to ask about it.

This is how Stan Lee view sidekicks when he created Spider-Man.

@frankg2790

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@radentruman7535

5 жыл бұрын

Except that’s was more Steve Ditko’s idea. Steve plotted and did the art for the first 3 years of Spider-Man.

@turtleanton6539

5 жыл бұрын

Yuuuuup

@uberbyte7467

5 жыл бұрын

@@radentruman7535 actually stan came up with the idea for a bug themed hero, and he had Jack Kirby originally do the costume design for Spiderman before he asked Steve to change it. Later he changed Peters age from what he planned which was 30s to late teens. Steve ditko hated the fact that Peter was young and constantly tried making him look childish and incompiatan thought stan over ruled these choices.

@Bruh................

5 жыл бұрын

Actually dc had spiderman first it was a character named the tarantula created in the 1940s ge was bug theme stuck to walls and had webshooters

Actually the Judge is more Captain America. I think he comes off like the Punisher but each character is based on ones that had sidekicks or young derivatives. In this case Bucky. Still a great video.

@Clay3613

5 жыл бұрын

Is that really an apt comparison though, CA was never even slightly racist till his Ultimates version.

@927789

5 жыл бұрын

@@Clay3613 To be fair this is one of those things that when people deconstruct Captain America they go the route of America is not as great as you think, so they tend latch on every problem with America to the character. From being racist, a Capitalist, and often the hot button issue at the time like say the Iraq War. the American from Dark Horse and Ultimate Captain America are good examples, another one is some from Marshal Law and THe Boys, even Captain America has U.S.Agent.

@927789

5 жыл бұрын

@@Clay3613 Again not many actual Superheroes are racist. In the story itself the Wonder Woman stand in actually forces abortions on the female sidekick, and Wonder Woman as we know her would NEVER do that. I'm just saying that when people deconstruct superheores the Captain America stand in is often racist to bring up that idea of ideals being under minded by reality. Captain America is used often because for a lot of people his brand of Patriotism is old fashioned and brings up the problems of the past. Cap is also from the past so ergo he HAS to have backwards views. Now I find that dumb on some level but that is where the logic comes from.

@frankg2790

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, but I can't stop laughing and giggling, Matrix. I keep hearing Straight Shooter saying his lines in a humorously high-pitched voice.

@jerkfudgewater147

5 жыл бұрын

He sounded more like the Comedian... who’s creator this guy had already worked with BUT what if it was just some creative liberty used by the CREATOR to tell the story he wanted to tell Instead of limiting himself to just heroes with pedo bait sidekicks

I just read all of Brat Pack and I need to go watch a Disney movie or something... lol

@thisguy1640

4 жыл бұрын

@Figeur Naggette I'd do a Murdock speech but Im too lazy so,maybe one day Or maybe Im too embarrassed Who knows

@marshmellow9281

4 жыл бұрын

@@thisguy1640 thanks charles bukowski

@KawaiiJackHonne

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@insanedominator8176

3 жыл бұрын

halfway through the book I went into my dads liquor cabinet

@czarnicholasii8573

2 жыл бұрын

Just don't watch Pixar, especially Toy story 3 and UP.

I read Bratpack during it's initial print run. A little *too* depressing for my taste...

@kingfranpetty

5 жыл бұрын

Agreeable. I don't need any more depressing things inside my head.

@jonanjello

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@R0NYFL0NY

5 жыл бұрын

Disagreed

@anchorbubba

4 жыл бұрын

I love it bc its real, its not an escape, its how shit really happens in the real world

@DonVigaDeFierro

4 жыл бұрын

@Stix N' Stones I like depressing shit, but not gratuitious edginess to the levels of "diabolus ex machina" where terrible shit just happens because the author feels like it. Throwing some wholesomeness whenever is possible makes a depressing story much more powerful.

I've been wanting to create my own comics for a long time. Watching these videos produced a weird feeling because it somehow inspired and intimidated me at the same time. Hearing about these great creators and their works makes me want to create something just as good, but it also made me realize how little I know about the medium, especially on the aspect of illustrating.

@TheMightofDab

2 жыл бұрын

Hey there, made any progress?

@andrewmoon2304

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMightofDab sadly doesn’t seem like it

@hansolobutimdead

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta say, the fact that you feel both inspired and intimidated makes me think you're smart enough to understand how difficult it is to create a good story. But that intimidation of ignorance can overwhelm you, never wanting to take the first step because you're afraid you'll fail. Don't get eaten up by it. Find a way. You'll make it somehow. And if you don't... Eh. You'll have fun whether you succeed or not.

So I read that if you watch a ad all the way through, it helps the video creator more. I love this channel so much I sat through 5 minutes of a BlazeTV ad and a 2 minute Manscaping video.........Hope you appreciate that!

@twistedwell9568

5 жыл бұрын

That might just be one of the most wholesome youtube comments i've ever read

@jamesoblivion

5 жыл бұрын

A five minute BlazeTV ad? You deserve a medal. I love the channel, but I think that might break me. haha

@Synistar

5 жыл бұрын

@Dion St. Michael your speak is blasphemy

@nomadicvaquero2791

5 жыл бұрын

Holy shit

@cawcawcaw9160

5 жыл бұрын

At least its not the 18 minute titanic rebuild ad.

It's nice to see a video on this. One thing though, Judge Jury and Kid Vicious are supposed to be based on Captain America and Bucky, not the Punisher, according to the original proposal written by Veitch. It also points out who the other analogues are too. So King Rad and Wild Boy are Green Arrow and Speedy, Midnight Mink and Chippy are Batman and Robin, Moon Goddess and Luna are Wonder Woman and Etta Candy, and Overman and Jack Cricket are Superman and Jimmy Olsen. If you get the recently released IDW reprint of this, you can see the proposal where it details all of this in the back of the book.

@rajyavardhansingh4491

2 жыл бұрын

Get OWNED.

Yeah, I have a burning hatred of deconstruction stories. Not because I hate the idea of deconstruction, but because the writers are more concerned about the message than actually telling a story. Watchmen is really the only deconstruction story that I liked because while the message is there, it also told an interesting story with complex characters.

@mrboerger1620

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you dear God

@TheDamnWinner

Жыл бұрын

What about Hunter x Hunter? I mean you’d have to have an understanding of the Shonen genre and its various tropes but its a great deconstruction of that genre while (like you said) maintaining an interesting cast of characters with complexities of their own. I dont know if you like Shonen but if so maybe give it a shot

@josephmatthews7698

Жыл бұрын

The deconstruction genre is very important to right the ship when it starts too far off into lala land. Without watchman, dark knight, brat pack etc we wouldn't have the awesome mainstream comics that came as a result. In fact a lot of the best stories like all star superman are direct replies to deconstructionism. You don't have to like it but we should appreciate it for furthering the conversation.

@tylerleach8796

Жыл бұрын

@@josephmatthews7698 When the best impotance you can come up with for deconstruction stories are the great stories made to REJECT what those deconstruction stories are trying to say, that's not really a good sign. Stuff like Brat Pack, The Boys, and other stories like them are not deconstruction, they're just edgy bullshit for the sake of edgy bullshit...and sadly, the edgy cynical bullshit most of these deconstruction stories push HAS actually seeped into mainstream comics (has been since the 90s) for the absolute worse.

@IMachineHeadI

11 ай бұрын

May I recommend you read Spawn, Super Crooks and The Crow Super Crooks isn’t edgy, Spawn has strong emotional scenes and The Crow. Wow The Crow is just beautiful

Rick Veitch's Brat Pack is a tremendous read, and so disturbing. All his self-published work is thought provoking, but I think it holds true for his more mainstream work as well. I think the main reason people overlook him is that he draws his characters as fugly. There are no perfect or idealized beings in his work. Everyone feels human, but at their worst. Lumpy, dishevelled, grimy... Real. Sidekidcks and how they are depicted was a very good topic for a comic trope video.

@johnnyvibezzz6372

5 жыл бұрын

Cardboard Bots it’s oh so ugly though not a fan of the artwork

@jonanjello

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed and although I don't find him fugly, I see a lot of Veitch's likeness in his art. 1:47

@turtleanton6539

5 жыл бұрын

Cool

The idea is neat but holy shit this is just OVERTLY edgy. I think my favorite example is how the parents are killed, can't just off them and get to the point nah. Gotta tear them apart and fucking write "666" on the walls. Or how all these heavy issues are mishmashed in as a decoration, none of them are truely explored.

@ronnie8330

4 жыл бұрын

It's all for shock, especially with how the three early sidekicks barring the protag are portrayed as assholes, blown up and disposed of early despite being troubled kids. This comic looks pretty bad

@SeanLaMontagne

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like am edgy teenage boy who is very upset trying to write and offensive comic, and knows they have to explore dark themes, but doesn't actually understand the complexities themselves, so their critique comes off surface level at best and makes their inclusion in the story feel haphazard and surface level.

@SeanLaMontagne

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronnie8330 Right? That seemed weird. Like... isn't the point that we're supposed to empathize with what the super heroes are doing to these children? But the story seems like it only wants us to give a shit about one person's struggles, and everyone else's are background dressing.

@juliagoodwin9510

Жыл бұрын

I have issues with the idea of "enjoying the misery of the heroes", because I read superhero comics for the escapism, not to feel guilty!

@trappestarrgaming3422

5 ай бұрын

Honestly it makes sense that kid superheroes would have ego issues and be actual assholes. Between hormones and the lifestyle it's amazing all of them isnt it

Whaaat! I got the gashapon!... As always, nice video! The phrase Brat Pack was actually used un the 80's referring to actors who played a role as teenagers in teenage targeted movies. I believe it's really well used.

@Scrambles1

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah no. Lol

@shadrawk1

4 жыл бұрын

I second the "uh no..."

@leaffinite2001

2 жыл бұрын

Believe whatever you want i guess, lol

@tomkerruish2982

2 жыл бұрын

I remember the term "The Brat Pack" being used to refer to the casts of "The Breakfast Club" and "St. Elmo's Fire", somewhat as a callback to "The Rat Pack", consisting of Frank Sinatra et al. Just checked; there's a Wikipedia article on it.

Thank you. Someone with a weak stomach like me would rather talk about the comic than actually read it.

@led_tower

5 жыл бұрын

Just read it and yeah it's pretty fucked up.

@thromboid

5 жыл бұрын

I'm undecided too...I like the ideas and subversiveness, like the recruits having to kill their parents so they can be orphans like other superheroes, but I think The Tick might more my thing.

@Batnano

5 жыл бұрын

pussy

@v-trigger6137

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know why but I'm obsessed with mature rated hard stuffs like comics, movies, games etc

@dead0ntime

4 жыл бұрын

V - Trigger we should talk

swear to god half these writers read one issue of watchmen and figured the secret to deconstruction is just being as dark and edgy as humanly possible

@a.dennis4835

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. This comic is a great example of that. There's very little actual plot: it's mostly just the superheroes being depraved in ways that make it nonsensical that anyone think they are heroes. For example, Moon Mistress attacks random men at a baseball game and doesn't even pretend they are villains yet, for some reason, everyone still thinks she is a hero. The original ending (since I haven't read the revised version) comes out of nowhere.

@hasanz7585

Жыл бұрын

@@a.dennis4835 tbh the cover art alone is more interesting than the entire book lmao, based on that and the title I thought it was gonna genuinely explore more complex ideas like how these young heroes are technically celebrities and have to stress about the type of shit that comes with that life like beauty standards, addiction, manipulation, grooming etc, and while the book tries to look at some of those ideas, there is basically 0 subtlety and it's literally as crude, in your face and just nasty as humanly possible

@myguitardidyermom212

Жыл бұрын

That's how it goes in the world today; a smart idea gets looted, all the subversion is stripped out and only the most obvious signifiers remain to be sold to the masses like processed gruel. The most visible examples are usually in media and politics. Che Guevara merch, or even more on the nose, nearly every adaptation of Moore's work.

@nightmarefanatic1819

11 ай бұрын

The anime series Tiger and Bunny proves that you can have an obvious deconstruction of superheroes without being edgy, cynical and super violent. It's pretty much both a deconstruction of and love letter to American superhero stories.

@minnion2871

11 ай бұрын

@@nightmarefanatic1819 Heck I think Venture Brothers might also be a good example of a deconstruction done right....

If you bought a pack of cigarettes just for the joke intro, then that sir is great dedication to the cause 😂

@sirswearsalot1813

5 жыл бұрын

It reminded me of George Costanza in the scene from "Seinfeld", where he pretends that he smokes a lot.

@Bob-np9xi

5 жыл бұрын

it’s 5 dollars

@canijustplease

5 жыл бұрын

Bob714 $40 is about the cheapest pack of cigarettes in Australia

@Bob-np9xi

5 жыл бұрын

McBain that’s why u don’t live there

@canijustplease

5 жыл бұрын

Bob714 i do live there

6:30 I... I don't think Kid Vicious is peeing in that alley.....

@skorloxtv4129

5 жыл бұрын

@@sbravo3761 yup that is

@dsandoval9396

5 жыл бұрын

At first that's what I thought, he was jerking it, but then I looked closer and remembered that any type of toxins leaving your body when you pee is like peeing fire (I think we've all had that experience one time or another) and it doesn't look like his hands/arms are moving, more like he's bracing himself for what's to come.

@sjh5465

5 жыл бұрын

Cock and ball torture (CBT), penis torture or dick torture is a sexual activity involving application of pain or constriction to the penis or testicles. This may involve directly painful activities, such as genital piercing, wax play, genital spanking, squeezing, ball-busting, genital flogging, urethral play, tickle torture, erotic electrostimulation or even kicking.[1] The recipient of such activities may receive direct physical pleasure via masochism, or emotional pleasure through erotic humiliation, or knowledge that the play is pleasing to a sadistic dominant. Many of these practices carry significant health risks.[2] CBT in Japan Ball busting demonstration in public at Folsom Street Fair, USA Tamakeri (玉蹴り) (lit. ball kicking) is a sexual fetish and subgenre of BDSM within which a man's testicles are abused. The genre is also referred to as ballbusting ("bb" for short).[3][4] Tamakeri is the Japanese term, but it is used by many non-Japanese people to describe media where Asian people- mainly women- are participating in it. The dynamics of tamakeri consist of a masochist having their testicles hurt by a sadist.[5] The fetish is popular among heterosexual and homosexual men and women.[6] In hentai communities, it is often identified by either "tamakeri", or "crotch_kick".[7][8] Denkianma (電気按摩) (lit. "electric massage") is a popular Japanese prank played between two people where one person puts their foot into the genital area of the other and shakes it in a vibrating motion.[9][10] Often this is done by grabbing the other person's feet, raising them, and then placing one's own foot on their crotch and vibrating it. This is often done between school aged boys as a prank similar to kancho and could be seen by a western audience as a type of bullying. In 2007 the crisps company Doritos released a new flavour of potato chip called "Denkianma".[11] Devices Similar to many other sexual activities, CBT can be performed using toys and devices to make the penis and testicles more easily accessible for attack, or for foreplay purposes.[12][13] Ball stretcher A single metal ball stretcher and cock ring, which forces erection. A ball stretcher is a sex toy that is used to elongate the scrotum and provide a feeling of weight pulling the testicles away from the body. This can be particularly enjoyable for the wearer as it can make an orgasm more intense, as testicles are prevented from moving up. Intended to make one's testicles permanently hang much lower than before (if used regularly for extended periods of time), this sex toy can be potentially harmful to the male genitals as the circulation of blood can be easily cut off if over-tightened. While leather stretchers are most common, other models consist of an assortment of steel rings that fastens with screws, causing additional but only mildly uncomfortable weight to the wearer's testicles. The length of the stretcher may vary from 1-4 inches.[14] A more dangerous type of ball stretcher can be home-made simply by wrapping rope or string around one's scrotum until it is eventually stretched to the desired length. Ball crusher A ball crusher is a device made from either metal or often clear acrylic that squeezes the testicles slowly by turning a nut or screw. How tight it is clamped depends on the pain tolerance of the person it is used on. A ball crusher is often combined with bondage, either with a partner or by oneself. Parachute A parachute is a small collar, usually made from leather, which fastens around the scrotum, and from which weights can be hung. It is conical in shape, with three or four short chains hanging beneath, to which weights can be attached. Used as part of cock and ball torture within a BDSM relationship, the parachute provides a constant drag, and a squeezing effect on the testicles. Moderate weights of 3-5 kg can be suspended, especially during bondage, though occasionally much heavier weights are used. Smaller weights can be used when the male wearing it is free to move; the swinging effect of the weight can restrict sudden movements, as well as providing a visual stimulus for the dominant partner.[citation needed] Humbler Man with humbler A humbler is a BDSM physical restraint device used to restrict the movement of a submissive male participant in a BDSM scene. The humbler consists of a testicle cuff device that clamps around the base of the scrotum, mounted in the center of a bar that passes behind the thighs at the base of the buttocks. This forces the wearer to keep his legs folded forward, as any attempt to straighten the legs even slightly pulls hard on the scrotum, causing from considerable discomfort to extreme pain. Testicle cuffs A testicle cuff is a ring-shaped device around the scrotum between the body and the testicles which when closed does not allow the testicles to slide through it. A common type has two connected cuffs, one around the scrotum and the other around the base of the penis. They are just one of many devices to restrain the male genitalia. A standard padlock may also be locked around the scrotum; without the key it cannot be removed. Some passive men enjoy the feeling of being "owned", while dominant individuals enjoy the sense of "owning" their partners. Requiring such a man wear testicle cuffs symbolizes that his sexual organs belong to his partner, who may be either male or female. There is a level of humiliation involved, by which they find sexual arousal. The cuffs may even form part of a sexual fetish of the wearer or his partner.[citation needed] However, these are extreme uses of testicle cuffs. More conventionally, the device pulls down the testicles and keeps them there during stimulation, which has a number of benefits: Making the penis appear longer. Pulling the testicles down and away from the base of the penis stretches the skin over the base of the penis and pubic bone, exposing the additional inch or so of penile shaft that is normally hidden from view. Improving sexual arousal. While some men may be aroused by the feeling of being "owned", the physical feeling of stretching the ligaments that suspend the testicles has an effect similar to the more common practice of stretching one's legs and pointing the toes. Preventing the testicles from lifting up so far that they become lodged under the skin immediately adjacent to the base of the penis, a condition which can be very uncomfortable, especially if the testicle is then squashed by the slap of skin during thrusting in sexual intercourse. Delaying or intensifying ejaculation by preventing the testicles from rising normally to the "point of no return". It is much harder to reach an orgasm. Cock harness A cock harness is a penile sex toy designed to be worn around the penis and scrotum. Its function is similar to that of a cock ring. These devices are often associated with BDSM activities. The Gates of Hell is a male chastity device made up of multiple cock rings that can be used for CBT.[15] Kali's Teeth is a metal bracelet with interior spikes that closes around the penis and can be used for preventing or punishing erections.[16]

@nightcollapse

5 жыл бұрын

@@sjh5465 now that's hot

@JEvans-wy9ln

5 жыл бұрын

@@sjh5465 I would not have expect a guy with a ghost lego anakin pfp to go into detail about testicle torture

5:39 sounds like hentai tags you commonly see on the front page nhentai

@IckyNikky19

5 жыл бұрын

It would be perfect if it also had "scat"

@darknessml6145

5 жыл бұрын

Japan was a mistake

@johngaming6026

5 жыл бұрын

177103 tho

@dandydasyt4766

5 жыл бұрын

Can confirm. source: my browsing history

@JohnSmith-kb4re

5 жыл бұрын

the good stuff

I remember reading this when it came out. I remember it being dirty, and horrifying, and subversive. It really warped my 14 year old mind. Sorry to hear the ending changed. I liked the original ending. It just went to show how pointless the whole thing was.

Awesome video. I came across the first four issues of The Brat Pack in a used books store who had a backroom filled with piles of comics. I spent the rest of the day in that backroom going through the piles of comics looking for full arcs of different stories. The clerk gave me a deal because I bought enough comics to fill a paper grocery bag and sorted out a good amount of the comics into their respective titles. I went back a week later and found out the owner didn't want anyone in the backroom because he was planning on going through the comics to look for any collectible issues. He had bought them at an estate sale and put them in the backroom. His wife was the clerk and she would let me go in the back to go through the comics. In return, I sorted them by their titles and arranged them on the shelves with alphabetical dividers. Any collectible issues I found(any comic priced 25¢ and under), I set aside. I spent my next couple of Saturdays going through comics. It was great.

"Doctor Blasphemy is on the loose again, for Christ's sake!" Lol.

"Live fast. Love hard. Die with your mask on" Great video as always. Read Brat Pack for the first time two years ago when the owner of my lcs gave me the run (minus issue 4) and other underground comics he deemed "unsalable." Enjoyed them enough to seek out the Brat Pack/Maximortal Super Specials and the Maximortal tpb. Still haven't read the Boy Maximortal yet, but in due time. Another great underrated book in the same satirical, deconstructionist view I would love to see you cover is the original six issue series of Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill's Marshal Law. One of my personal favorites, and was essentially to me at a young age what Watchmen or TDKR was to other readers.

IDW recently reprinted BRAT PACK in hardcover form. But many years prior, Rick Veitch had published his own limited-edition hardcover collection of the series through King Hell Press. Needless to say, it offered a better presentation of the material than the softcover versions that existed at the time. It's worth tracking down if you're a completist.

Well done reading here. I first encountered Veitch's work in Epic, in particular "Abraxas And The Earthman." Veitch is pretty grim, and I think his style has a bit of underground grotesque. But I do not know a better American artist/writer who has come through mainstream comics to produce some of the most original and thought-provoking work. Nice job here. "Brat Pack" is pretty dark. I think the sheer extreme aspect goes far beyond anything by Miller or Moore. Veitch not only deconstructs comics per se, but the concepts around comics. Brat Pack is sort of a Werthamesque wet dream about Superheroes. You can never read Batman the same after Brat Pack. Funny thing, I liked Netflix's "Punisher," but the second season couldn't resist inserting a side-kick.

That intro reminded me of myself when i tried to impress my crush by smoking since she was a smoker. Funnily enough she didn't date me because i was a smoker she dated me because i made her laugh and happy

Man, I’ve been hoping you would profile Rick Veitch since I subscribed. IMHO, he’s a genius. The natural flow of his figure work, his facial expressions that hide and tell, his love/hate take on American culture and kitsch, the psychedelic trips...and his writing is great, too. He is one of a kind. A true maverick. A comics artist’s comics artist. It’s a failure of the comics industry that Veitch isn’t on shelves in color, because we know the man can produce...they just don’t know what to do with him (Here’s a tip, let Veitch be Veitch...It may not sell, but it'll be one hell of a read). Just this week I dug out Teknophage to give it a re-read, and your video drops days later...that’s some spooky Rare Bit Fiends sh*t. Thank you! I'm a big fan of what you're doing.

The cover of Green Lantern/Green Arrow with Speedy's heroin problem is so fitting for this episode it hurts.

Wonderful presentation of a great selection. I really appreciate you spotlighting comics from the 70's and 80's dark ages. Dark not as in Frank Miller (though there was that) but as in lost history, before everything had a life online, and giving the context both in the comics medium and real world at the time.

Eh. I'll pass. I understand the central message here, and that does make you think, but deconstruction-- especially of the Garth Ennis variety-- usually comes off as dark-for -the-sake-of-it, dismissive, and needlessly mean-spirited. Veitch had no love for DC, and it shows, Garth Ennis dislikes superheroes in general, and it shows. Frankly, I feel like all that salt makes it a really un-fun read. This is my opinion, at least, and you should take it for what it is, and with a spoonful of salt.

@sr2971

4 жыл бұрын

Mhmm, and I don't want no high blood pressure 😔

@tonypulizzi5656

4 жыл бұрын

MrNickPresley I know, I hate reading “deconstruction” comics because they all just use it as an excuse to just shit on superhero’s and to be edgy just for the sake of being edgy. There are some good ones (Watchmen, tv show version of The Boys) but then you have ones like these which are just over filled with the authors own personal loathing of superheroes.

@cryptking6283

3 жыл бұрын

It was the same way with the rest of his original books. "WE get it, you hate superheroes."

@juliagoodwin9510

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonypulizzi5656 I like deconstructions, but it's gotten to the point where I'm sick of them. I really don't like the idea posed here, that the readers are responsible for the torment the characters go though, it makes me feel uncomfortable...

@Sofiaode18

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonypulizzi5656 Sad that HBO messed up Watchmen while Amazon did an arguably elevated version of The Boys. Invincible is also doing a pretty good gritty take on Superheroes.

I loved the Brat Pack. Please do an episode on Marshal Law. Marshal Law is another great book deconstructing super heroes and comic books, it's full of social and political satire. Every once in awhile I'll go back and re-read the original mini-series.

Me and the boys reading the boys

@devin121

4 жыл бұрын

Suclox • 12 years ago 😂

@sobrokeboi

4 жыл бұрын

@@devin121 almost got me too

i love the way this guy talks about his fanart, it's honestly adorable

The 1-900 numbers weren't toll-free. You had to pay to vote, which is probably why the result ended up being what it was; people with so much money they can afford to throw it away on a decision about a comic book character are probably lacking in empathy and more likely to want to see the pointlessly grimdark execution of a fictional teenaged boy.

@DRMADist

5 жыл бұрын

NoJusticeNoPeace think you’re going a bit deep there. People voted to kill him because killing him would be an actual change to the story and voting to keep him alive would be boring

@ToaArcan

5 жыл бұрын

It's pretty well known that the vote was really narrow, and it's probable that there was some vote stuffing from someone who set up and automatic calling thing.

@cha5

5 жыл бұрын

I always wonder how a vote like that would have gone over in our age of the internet and e-mails?

@JoeJoe-lq6bd

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t know if I agree 100% but I do think people who wanted Robin to die were more likely to spend money to say so.

@toedpens4954

5 жыл бұрын

Also consider that this was Jason Todd. People hated him cause he acted like a asshole, people liked Dick much better.

"The boys before the boys." I'm in. Good looking out.

@salem8357

4 жыл бұрын

Boys support boys

I cant get the image of a 60's Burt Ward, Robin thrown into this world...

Found a Brat Pack #1 in a garage sale! Would not have picked it up if it weren't for this video! Keep up the great videos!

One correction: it was Tolteben who first introduced John Constantine in Swamp Thing 25. He told me the story himself when I visited him at his house in Erie, PA in 1999. As he put it, "Abby was a beautiful woman with silver hair. Seemed likely that she should get a stalker. I told Steve my idea and he said 'Yeah, man! Do it!' We (Tolteben & Bisette) let a few months go by before we even told Alan what we did. Next thing we know, he takes that ball and gives us this whole other take on this character."

@pericleslegendario7022

2 жыл бұрын

How did you meet him?

@jayf6206

2 жыл бұрын

@@pericleslegendario7022 An old family friend was a neighbor of his back then. During a visit, they learned I was a fan and made a call.

This is a part of the comic book world that I never even knew existed. Thank you for this informative video!

You as Milo Manara's Spider-Woman was hilarious

Hands down best comic content creator on KZread. Thanks for all your videos Chris.

I have a problem with the twist(?) of this book, that the characters only have sidekicks for their own marketability. I mean, I understand it's referencing how sidekicks were invented for marketability, but it doesn't make sense with the rest of the comic. If Judge Jury is concerned with appearances, then maybe he should take off the klansman hood and get off the flaming cross? Seriously, I think I'd enjoy it more if they played up the heroes duplicity. They explore it a little with Midnight Mink but I wish it had more of a "behind the scenes" thing instead of making every hero so blatantly evil to any civilian. Maybe even change the end so the sidekicks weren't killed because they were turning 18 but because they were publicly spiraling and hurting the heroes brand.

Watchmen: Political The Boys: Cynical Brat Pack: DEPRESSING AS F@CK

I just read this comic and found to be surprisingly tame given the reputation it has.

@YouKnowMeDuh

5 жыл бұрын

Same. Although, I'm sure it was infamous during its time.

@jove1155

4 жыл бұрын

@@YouKnowMeDuh can you recommend some "not so tame" titles?

@Jadedgems

4 жыл бұрын

jove1155 Johnny the homicidal manic

@francessonder

4 жыл бұрын

@Coitus Handguns It's just very messed up psychologically.

@SPXXKYRVNTZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jadedgems bruh I love Johnny the homicidal maniac

No-one: The trending tags in Hentai-Comic sites: 5:40

@thatgirlinamask8699

4 жыл бұрын

All Five if those are actual tags and it both concerns and intrigues me

@jesusramirezromo2037

4 жыл бұрын

@@thatgirlinamask8699 They are..... some pepole get turned on by both: Forced drugg use.....

@thatgirlinamask8699

4 жыл бұрын

@Jesus Ramirez Romo Metamorphosis. That is all.

@francessonder

4 жыл бұрын

@@thatgirlinamask8699 Metamorphosis is genuinely a good story. Just remove the porn and you get a fucking modern masterpiece.

@sonicsucks20

4 жыл бұрын

All those are lies

"If you want Robin to die, press 1 followed by the #" *2* "You have pressed 1 twice!"

Another great video. Can you do a video on The Maxx. Also do a video on Hard Boiled

@EteSiuleems

5 жыл бұрын

I want to see a video on the maxx too

@joshgulisano1863

5 жыл бұрын

Dude I would love a video in The Maxx

Imagine if brat pack got a show like the boys

@JohnathanJannenga69

Ай бұрын

Could be good but could also be bad

@AnarchoCatBoyEthan

Ай бұрын

indeed, the boys show could also have been quite bad. i’m very happy it wasn’t but if it was just slightly more faithful to the comic it would suck lol

I really love this video. I always come back now and again.

Is *CHIPPY* a reference to a drug habit? With Heroin addicts (here in NYC) we refer to a smaller habit as a "Chip on your Shoulder," or *"CHIPPY."* It's meant to distinguish your habit still being in its early stages, manageable and possibly conquerable. Chippies lead to major habits. They can serve to indicate a person is borderline delusional when they claim it's not so bad - no level of withdrawal/addiction should be considered "not so bad." Alright, kids, *Stay in Drugs, Don't Do School!*

I don't often comment on the billions of hours of KZread I watch but this channel is amazing. As a lifelong comic fan of almost 40 years it's fantastic to discover some new hidden gem. Thank you!

Marshall Law did similar deconstruction of the superhero too.

@JamesBurrTV

5 жыл бұрын

Marshall Law was fantastic.

@RogerioPereiradaSilva77

5 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see an episode entirely dedicated to Marshall Law!

@googleuser7454

5 жыл бұрын

@@RogerioPereiradaSilva77 Marshall law is a great work. Lots of symbolism and commentary to digest. Wish more love was given to it.

@dumbonumpty

5 жыл бұрын

But it was done by Mills/O'Neil which doesn't seem to fit with the Amerocentric view presented here. I find it more likely that Ennis (a Northern Irishman who started working work with 'Crisis' which was owned by the publisher of 2000ad) would be influenced by Pat Mills' (founding editor of 2000ad and writer) views on superheroes than by some obscure American writer/artist. Marshal Law was published 3 years earlier,than Brat Pack, in 1987.

I love how enthusiastic you are about your fans' art!

I would love to see brat pack adapted into a show just like the boys was

@DonVigaDeFierro

4 жыл бұрын

That would not work. Brat Pack needs its own context to function, and it's a specific piece of media. In this case, both the context and the media are 80s to 90s comic books. It's too much of its own thing, it will not work as anything but its own thing. _(Maybe people are just familiar enough with these old comic book tropes that the context may not be needed, but still would need a lot of adapting to really work in the modern era. It's not The boys, that's what I'm saying.)_

You should discuss The One by Rick Veitch. It came out before the Watchmen but I think it's just as important.

Me: Sees thumbnail Also me: "I scraped myself shaving today... Is this some kind of sign???

Ordered this the day the video came out. It came today. Read it, loved it! Thanks for opening my eyes to an little known classic!!

I bought these off the shelves when they came out. Couldn't have been more than 14. I had these covers hanging on my wall for years. Good to see someone talk about them. Definitely inspired the Boys and a ton of other stuff.

Double thumbs up for this. I never thought I would see you upload a review of Brat Pack. I remember how impactful it felt when I read these as a teenager in 1990 (not to mention naughty since these were in the "adult" section with paper covers over them). These issues were some of the few I kept when I sold my whole collection in my 20s and got out of the comic book world.

Yes! Such an underrated mini series. A shame Veitch's Heroica books didn't take off as planned.

@cha5

5 жыл бұрын

Kid Ragnarok He has continued it however with his Maximortal series and his ongoing Boy Maximortal comic.

@antgto

5 жыл бұрын

@@cha5 I've read the Maximortal trade, but yet to have checked out Boy Maximortal. Of which I'll get around to doing soon enough.

I think this is the strength of your channel you can explore comics and creators that are not trending and I love learning about the history and key players in the comic industry itself.

Thanks for this Chris. Can't believe I've never even heard of this title.

Thanks for this video! I would NEVER be able to know this gem if it wasn't for you! (I love comics, but I'm from Brazil, so there is many things that were never published here, specially stuff from the 80s and 90s not by Marvel or DC) I'm really impressed by it (and by Maximortal, I read that too!), and I'm amazed as this is not more known in general. Great read!

0:01 oof ouch ow lungs hurt owie

Your channel is one of the best.

Thanks for all the awesome support for Rick Veitch. I love his ABRAXAS AND THE EARTHMAN

Damn. I've never even seen or heard anything about this comic until now, and I still got depressed just learning about it.

this video really disturbs me to the core more so than your other darker comic. To be honest my mind is in a really bad psyche now. The story takes that disturb factor and kicked it up to 11. Thanks a lot Chris

@codypower4298

5 жыл бұрын

I hope you'll be ok

@mamba_kekw

5 жыл бұрын

Im doing a lot better now, thanks for asking, chris i think you might need to put a warning disclaimer if you do these specific types of dark comics.

I love the covers of those single issues of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing. I had been looking at getting a collected edition of them a while ago. Something I never got round to buying. Of course I'm aware that they are some of Moore's strongest works. Seeing the covers of those single volumes, makes me tempted to buy them individually. Obviously this is not cost effective. Are the covers in the collected versions? If so, are they exhibited well on a full page spread with glossy paper?

A very underrated work that blew my mind when i bought it some years ago in a sale with other works of Veitch that apparently makes a trilogy about superheroes. It wold be nice to review the other works called The Maximortal and The one, this last one is more like evangelion meets watchmen. Anyway, great video!! Greetings from argentina!!

Dude, kudos to you for actually smoking for the bit at the intro

Is anyone else sick of Superhero deconstructions? Also, I don't like the notion of enjoying the comic book character's suffering, because it makes me feel dirty for reading them... I understand what Veitch was going for, but it doesn't help.

@CosmoShidan

2 жыл бұрын

Look up "The Avengers: How Superhero Comics Preserve Ruling Class Ideology" by Wendy Huang. This one demonstrates how superheroes are glorified cops.

@christinawalker101

2 жыл бұрын

@@CosmoShidan NERD

@CosmoShidan

2 жыл бұрын

@@christinawalker101 Well we all are after all.

That into is golden man. Sometimes I really for get how good you channel is man

Incredibly happy that I came across a video of yours a few days ago and have the privilege of seeing more content from you. You do an excellent job of breaking things down and give pertinent information without overloading the viewer or dragging the video out past the length it needs to be. Keep it up! Looking forward to seeing your channel inevitably take off in regards to your subscribers since it is now only a matter of time.

We need a supercut of all the intros Chris does

You wanna know who else is mature and loves smoking?...

@jamesoblivion

5 жыл бұрын

I think he'd rather know the ultimate secret of magic.

@TheJohno95

5 жыл бұрын

Your mom?

@tomhato5523

5 жыл бұрын

A factory 🏭

@TheNeonugget

5 жыл бұрын

My uncle Stan?

@hyperion3145

5 жыл бұрын

Joseph Stalin?

Just came across this video and had to track down these books. Waiting on the last one to arrive before I read them. I love Chris' recommendations!

If like like this, check out Maximortal by the same writer/artist. really twisted (but ultimately more realistic) take on Superman's origin story.

Brat pack, Watchmen, The Incredibles, The Boys, and Brightburn: All very cynical takes on the Superhero genre.

@kats5980

5 жыл бұрын

The incredibles?

@joshuaolsoncook

5 жыл бұрын

Kats Basically if the government screwed over superheroes.

@kats5980

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaolsoncook oh

@iliveinsideyourhouse1367

5 жыл бұрын

And the watchmen is the first that started the cynical realism superhero genre and ironically the best one.

@joshuaolsoncook

5 жыл бұрын

I live inside your house Didn’t My Hero Academia and One Punch Man also focus on the cynical aspects of superheroes?

I'll always remember Rick veitch because he had the seemingly impossible task of picking up swamp thing right after Alan Moore's legendary run! I mean really could you imagine that? Alan Moore took swamp thing and wrote one of the most praised and loved comic book runs of all time and now you have to pick up where he left off! Oh and by the way Alan Moore's last couple of issues had him traveling throughout space having adventures with aliens and meeting new gods so good luck! Even though it seemed like an impossible task he actually did a pretty good job.

Oh, so thats why there is two versions of ending, it was before Maximortal and it was its own thing originally. I tought that Brat Pack was side companion to Maximortal story, that is in same vein an exploration of superhero myth and its connections to faults of the real world that created it, but applied to ersatz-Superman as the main progenitor of whole genre. Makes sense that Veitch redid some things in reprint to establish more clear connection between two.

Awesome channel man! I watched this video a few weeks ago, i had to track down each issue for my collection! Thanks again! Btw your neal adams batman odyssey video....👏👏👏👏

Finally, a grown up and mature KZread channel!

Well, I'll argue that 'Brat Pack' was a fine book, but many of the tropes that Mr. Veitch tackled and taboos he apparently broke on it were already tackled and broken by Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill back in '87. Marshal Law, anyone? Quality-wise, it was a great, great book. Originality-wise? Not so much. About it inspiring 'The Boys'... not so sure either. I think that one came more from Ennis scratching the itch of doing a spiritual sequel to 'Punisher kills the Marvel Universe' set in the DC universe and that itch evolved into 'The Boys' eventually.

@cha5

3 жыл бұрын

Well for me Marshall Law though brilliant never had quite the punch of several moments in The Maximortal and Boy Maximortal, That of Veitch's take on Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster shafting by DC, and Veitch's recreation of Bill Gaine's televised defense of EC Comics in Maximortal and also that of a young Gilbert Shelton and S.Clay Wilson encountering Wonder Warthog in a psychedelic vision among other things, all of which were inspired IMHO.

Good morning! Just woke up. Slow and a little grumpy before a cup of coffee as always. But that intro put a smile on my face.

I know you don't normally review anime/manga, but have you ever looked into Tiger and Bunny? It's a frachise that is a deconstruction of American superhero comics that is NOT a constant cynical edgefest. There's a lot of obvious inspirations from setting (NEXTs are basically mutants) to characters (One hero has Batman's backstory, theres a 90s style antihero that's like the Punisher, and a villain thats basically Magneto and Joker.) There's also unspoken satire on things like impractical costumes and how heroes are marketed for profit. I think you'd be able to pick up on more on these things than I since you know way more about American comics than I do.

This is so mature and dark Alexa *PLAY DESPACITO*

@derekpayneszubliminals7723

5 жыл бұрын

No!

@hugoj.r.8684

5 жыл бұрын

@@derekpayneszubliminals7723 yes

@derekpayneszubliminals7723

5 жыл бұрын

*hotel mario voice* no!

Hopefully you bumed that cig from someone. I'd hate to think you spent $10 on a pack for one small joke.

I forgot how catchy the old Comic Tropes song is 🙂

Great video, Chris. Your topics are always interesting and well explored.

You just helped me find the college I'm going to. Thank you.

I literally went to a comic book store today to look for some of the stuff you’ve mentioned... it’s been years, great work man keep it up It’s super main stream but crazy and very close to the plot of (2012’s) The Dark Knight Rises even though it was from 1988... please review “Batman: The Cult” It’s way off the normal path with batman bursting out of the bushes to steal “pick-a-nic baskets” yogi bear style then eating the hard boiled eggs shell and all... or him driving around Gotham in a monster truck with robin blasting every homeless person he sees with a mounted 50 cal. (Ya sure they’re knockout darts... right) then unless I’m remembering it wrong batman just flat out murders the villain... ITS THE BEST BATMAN COMIC I’VE EVER READ... and what happens is pretty much scene for scene the Bane movie only it’s some Jack Palance looken D-bag (see no spoilers)

Im glad to have stumbled on to this channel, great work man. You're videos are interesting and informative

I've been waiting for this one! I read this at 13 in '90/'91, and it messed me up, but I just reread it, and it does still have a specific icky genius about it. Nice work!

This needs to be a live action series.

In comics, the term "deconstruction" roughly translates to sodomy, apparently.

@socialmedia4637

5 жыл бұрын

@The Count am I wrong though?

Another great episode Chris

Thanks for the great reviews. I'm jealous of the comic rack behind you.