I think Ted had mentioned in a past video that he has started proactively replacing contactors in every system he sells for that very reason. Trane started cheaping out on contactors and he was noticing a high failure rate with oem contactors. Anyway, good job man. Have a good day.

@natepeterson7145

2 жыл бұрын

Yes he does. I've ran into a few contactors bad on Trane but not like Ted says they seem to go out quicker in the southern hotter temps.

@95thousandroses

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I was about to comment the same thing.

@renecuevas4128

Жыл бұрын

We are doing that any Chinese Contactor or Run Caps they out

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

@@natepeterson7145 I think that's down south we run a/c systems longer!

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

@@renecuevas4128 Best way to be proactive and protect your reputation; I think TRANE should reimburse the dealers for the time and expense of their shortcomings.-

Thank you as a tech who didn’t know that screw-to-lug connection tip 🙌

Great tip . I have been cutting those connectors off for years and stripping back to bare wire. Your way is much easier.

The lug idea is a great tech tip!! Thanks

Thanks for mentioning very important information about wiring stripping the ends completely……any information u can mention is important even if the pros know……..there’s tech people that may or may not know…..Information is always important and always learning thru out life…..ur doing a very good job.

Two year old Trane with a tail gate warranty off the tracks! Good job John.

You know whenever you find one of those Homer contactors bad you have to say......D'oh !!!!!!! 😎👍

Thanks John. Well done.

Ive had a tech id for generac for 12 years and like ot or not they are still the best in my book . We also are a cummins and briggs dealer as well

@droneworks6340

Жыл бұрын

Generac Generators sux. I would never ever own one.

I still have my 31/2 ton trane unit 1995 and still working great, I just replaced the capacitor for maintenance only, still have the original as spare just in case.great unit

@toddwhaley77

Жыл бұрын

Still have 1 of my 1986 Trane weathertron. Sales kills those units.

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

@@toddwhaley77 Hope you live longer than that unit so you can get the replacement sale! lol.

Trane I definitely better than york and lennox. I replaced a blower motor in a trane s9v2 (2 stage 90% furnace) and it was so much easier than I thought it would be John. The housing is plastic but the motor bracket holds the mounting legs in place. Only thing for you to adjust is where the band sits on the motor

Ive had 2 generac’s over the last 12 years. No issues here. Had a 14 kw then upgraded to 22kw. Flawless operation. Only generator manufacturer that has huge amounts of parts available and wide variety of tech compared to limited Kohler or Cummings techs. Only way to go in my opinion. The past generator has problems but the newer models is far more reliable.

Nice work

I just got a comfortmaker ac unit and love it.

The Klein 8 n 1 is a must.. great video brother 💯

@joep4143

2 жыл бұрын

That Klein slide screwdriver is great unless you need it in a tight spot. It’s too thick.

@droneworks6340

Жыл бұрын

I prefer the 10 n 1

The Generac modules have about a 10 min delay once you pull power. Just found out this today when changing out and ERM. I keep turning breaker off and on resetting the Generac and restarting power shed. Love the 8n1 my favorite tool in my bag.

ALWAYS turn off low voltage before changing contactors. Less fuses/transformers blown that way.

@acrservicesmathewr7565

Жыл бұрын

Or turn thermostat to off. No 24volts to contactor. Or pull wires off and tape them up. A few ways to avoid shorting it out

@jt7284

Жыл бұрын

Electrical tape on terminal ends. Save yourself a trip to the t-stat

Generacs are ok. What happens is, these home owners get these things, Never have the maintenance done on them and then cry when the thing locks itself out on safety. They should really be serviced yearly but customers can do it themselves.

Good vid and good info ... Thx ...

Great job done right!

Good video

John before I even watched the video my guess was a bad contactor for the exact reason... 240 coming in and nothing going out while pulled in. Been seeing it very often on newer Tranes.

Actually what you heard was backwards. The older Generacs had a lot of issues. They seem to have solved them. I have this exact same model and did a lot of research before I bought it. Someone made a comment about servicing them. I have mine monitored (cellular) by the company that installed it and it's on a service contract. Could I service it myself? Sure but I am in So. Fl. where we get hurricanes. $500 a year gives me peace of mind. I have been without power close to 2 weeks after Wilma. I also lived through Andrew. This can control my entire house as if I had power from the utility. I'm a night owl I was up at 2am getting ready for bed. Lights went off within 30 seconds they came back on the gen was running. I was only on for maybe 10 minutes before power was restored.

You can just take the flat head lug out behind it there's a Phillips head screw take that out then take the 5/16 screws out from the old contactor and they thread right into the Phillips head screw holes on the new contactor takes like maybe three minutes and much better contact due to enhanced surface area

@renecuevas4128

Жыл бұрын

So true

@joeshearer1247

Жыл бұрын

Not all of the lug contactor have that screw

My Trane XR 13 SEER went out last week after only 13 years due to a leaking condenser, here in SE Michigan. What a piece of krap !

@DS-fb9te

Ай бұрын

Mine went out 7 months ago new. Very disappointed

For a residential back up generator, go with Kohler. Generac now has too many “foreign” made parts.

I had them bad on installation and one kept me going back numerous times before i found the contactor coil was not engaging.

I have the same trane xr17. About 8 months old and has been worked on a dozen times. Frost board in winter, now in summer the entire coil (condenser outside) had to be replaced due to bad leaks on it. While waiting weeks on the coil to come in, the installers had to come out every Friday and recharge the 410 or it would stop cooling.

@gelr2228

Жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂️

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

C make sure EPA don't get on your pocket and fine you! If equipment doesn't hold for at least 5 years, product maker should be responsible for costs incurred by the dealers!

Some carrier units were using those homer contactors as well

Thank you, from a non-super tech.

My Honeywell (Generac) 10kW LP has been running great for the last six months. I'll let you know if I have any problems. Just like with HVAC, proper maintenance and professional installation are very important. Install a MicroAir soft start kit and it will not be so hard on generator, compressor, capacitors, breakers, wiring connections, etc.

@dan8220

Жыл бұрын

Yup, I put a soft start on my 2.5 ton Heat pump and the generator don’t even flinch when it kicks on.

Im glad Trane didn't return my calls when I needed a new A/C and furnace for my home! Im better with the Armana.

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

Amana is having lots of problems with their products as well; just cross your fingers! I truly believe American industry is in a steep decline farming manufacturing to other countries!

Your Klein multi tool you were using for wiring might have a 5/16 nut driver in it with smaller OD for closer spaces. Just not magnetic.

@jeffreyjohn2037

Жыл бұрын

I always carry the long Klein nut drivers for situations like that.

I've got a newer Trane system. I will have to look at being proactive and replacing the contactor & cap.

@renecuevas4128

Жыл бұрын

Yup. We doing that. Made in China no good

You knew the generac doesn’t come on for at least 1 hour😂😂😂 and the one thing about locking caps when it comes to Trane is that you can go through the side of the unit for true suction and discharge. So what’s the point. Great vid man been working for n TRANE since last year and they get more easier. … how do you feel about the TAM 10 air handlers coming without the CDA like the 7 but thermostats can connect to an app😂😂😂😂

man I have been getting a lot of bad contactors in a system only a couple months old. We use mostly Armstrong.

Was that contactor covered under warranty?

You’re a nice guy :)

Like the way u talk tell it like it is.

Hi Trane, my home A/C is 2 Year old, and running normal until 12 PM. Didn't blowing air, the A/C still running and the fan working. I check all the central air blowing out for each room, "None" no air out. Some thing wrong ? What do I can do? Please help!!!!

Trane 🙌🏼

With that lose connection in your box from the generac interrupt that would have caused excessive amount of current on startup on that contactor which would have burnt points on the contractor

@joeshearer1247

Жыл бұрын

No

Rule of thumb all wire nuts you have the bell down that way any water would get into it they can't corrode the contact

Had a ICP contactor low voltage side bad from the factory. It kept blew my fuse

You sure are a lot faster than old Ted Cook! Lol

Should always shut off air handler breaker or from Thermostat to prevent a possible blown low voltage fuse or burn out secondary voltage transformer. Don’t want to short out low voltage side.

Trane even went to no name china condenser fan motors too.

Gotta love all the manufacturers going to cheap parts leading to premature failures.

I had a year old rheem contactor shorted.

were was the screw that holds in the disconnect cover plate in place?

@johnisraelhvac2019

2 жыл бұрын

This disconnect doesn’t have that. It snaps in place. Know your facts before you make assumptions

@apctech1

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnisraelhvac2019 i see a screw hole is why i said it can the attatude and be a nicer guy john :)

@jeffreyjohn2037

Жыл бұрын

That looks like a G E disconnect. No screw hole. Just a dimple on the cover.

@apctech1

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffreyjohn2037 even worse all covers should have a screw hole and screw in it i put one in when its safe to do so ie no wires in the way etc

I’d take a bad contactor any day over my crappy 5 year old Armstrong unit (builder provided) already needing a new evaporator coil. Me and my 2 neighbors on both sides are waiting 3 weeks for a new coil.

It does not have a replaceable coil in that contactor?

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

Usually you find replaceable coils in large 3 pole contactors in the 75 to 100 Amp range! The coils are offered in 24 volts,, 220, 277.-

@davidschwartz5127

Жыл бұрын

@@bobboscarato1313 Come on Bob that's BS, I was an Industrial Electrician for 23 years and reached the Master Electrician level before I changed careers I've seen replaceable coils in single pole contactors.

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

@@davidschwartz5127 Dave I was in home/commercial HVAC for 60 years and never say those single pole deals ever!!!

I wonder if this is what's wrong with mine. It is only a year old.

what is a direct state to trane mean?

@johnisraelhvac2019

2 жыл бұрын

Like they don’t have a distributor they buy their equipment directly from Trane

I hate the chicken$h1t, OEM, 30amp contactors that come on Carrier/Bryant/Payne condensing units...especially the screw/square washer that is supposed to hold the wire down. The lug-style 40amp, 2-pole contactors are so much better and easier to land the hi-voltage on. Clipping the rings off for the 'lug style' terminals and re-using the crimp as a ferrule is the way to go - you get a much better bite and connection VS the bare-stranded end.

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Super Tech Flex? No way!

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Tell you what I am a Trane guy, I install Trane on almost the daily, but I hate their ugly greenish color on their units.

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

They used to paint them gray and it was OK; I guess they want to match the environment!

How do you know that is a 16 seer?

@johnisraelhvac2019

Жыл бұрын

Cause it’s in the model number duh

As a technician who has served many trades. I can say with certainty most products made in the modern age are of the lowest quality ever. The corporate motto is "How cheap can we build it" in order to maximize profits. Even stuff made in the US isn't any better if at all. Is that all R&D departments do anymore, find ways to make it cheaper? They can save 10 cents by using a crappy contactor that will run at 99% capacity so it fails sooner than one that would be operating with headroom. But that won't save them 10 cents per unit. Too bad we don't see those savings.

Have had those load boxes melt itself and the disco from loose connections. Annoying.

So brand new is a 2020 in 2022?

@johnisraelhvac2019

Жыл бұрын

Dude shut up and go kick rocks

Isnt it 5tons (60/12 = 5)?

@johnisraelhvac2019

Жыл бұрын

Model number 4TTR6048 that’s a 16 SEER 4 ton

I use WAGO connectors instead of wire nuts

@samsquires2877

2 ай бұрын

Those are worse then wire nuts. I’m a service electrician and replace waggos all the time. Hacks use waggos.

@FredD63

2 ай бұрын

@@samsquires2877 I have had no problems with them and I haven’t heard of anyone having problems

Speaking of Nest t-stats I think they are the D-bags of t-stats and I don't mean dirt bags.

@scotts4125

2 жыл бұрын

Ecobee all the way.

@joep4143

2 жыл бұрын

I installed hundreds of Nest. I’m waiting for one to fail or cause problems. So far they’re holding well. In five years I had ONE fail. Installer error????

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

Nest t-stats are promoted by my utility. Bad business and way overpriced!

Generaac most definitely isn’t the way to go. Koehler has the edge by far.

@jmc6000

Жыл бұрын

Kohler is junk

You're there. Why didn't you replace the Chinese capacitor with Murican? If the capacitor fails in the next couple of months, the customer will call you back for a "free" fix.

@joeshearer1247

Жыл бұрын

That’s not how it works

do about 10 a year junk contactors

How in the world does a service guy leave a wire nut that loose, plus a 60 amp breaker that's a fire waiting to happen.

@jeffreyjohn2037

Жыл бұрын

60 amp is for the air handler heat kits. Although that does seem like too much amps.

@droneworks6340

Жыл бұрын

Why use wire nuts in the first place. Stop using junk. :)

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

Two reasons come to mind; one is ignorance, the other idiocy!

a disconnect is not a junction box.

@jeffreyjohn2037

Жыл бұрын

There's room for what's needed.

Bug?

@jeffreyjohn2037

Жыл бұрын

Only one time in my career, I found a hard shell beetle caught in a contactor. Extracted it, coil had a good ohms reading, contacts looked good. Restarted and ran great.

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffreyjohn2037 You must have had a very short career like 6 weeks? Contactors go bad mostly due to fire ants which love those contact points and when they get squashed release their acid pitting the points which may get "welded" together and burn out the compressor! I've seen that quite a few times over the years!

Don't use your fingers. Always push/pull the lugs w/pliers. You'll thank me one day.

sorry veriblble speed furnace control board .......mam that will be 1200 no warranty call trane for warranty service... wow

Most likely the installer

Trane is an awesome 😎💯🎯 unit.

Maybe ants got in it.

Part should be covered under trane warranty If it was registered properly. I've changed many of those contactors and capacitors. The XR line is the more lower end stuff.

@brucecrutchfield3473

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but what’s the point? They’d just give you the same junk lol.

@cruzhvac4551

2 жыл бұрын

@@brucecrutchfield3473 we use our own truck stock capacitors and contactors. Yea your right tho any parts now adays aren't the greatest anyways.

@rdw2979

Жыл бұрын

$8800 for consumers. Insane. I've had 6 repairs in 2 years.

Their whole home surge protector is at the bottom of the panel. Not doing as much good there

The Chinese lie about specs! No gold on the relay contacts. Its becoming rather common among relays in general

I don't understand why some techs don't like Trane, I'd rather work on Trane than a Xfinity system any day.

@Mapdotgolf

Жыл бұрын

Cause they crazy, trane is better then everybody expect Bosh. Then after that I like the rheems

@bobboscarato1313

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they couldn't get an account; Carrier at one time was very selective and would allow you to buy one of their second tier brands like Day and Night, Bryant, etc.

@samsquires2877

2 ай бұрын

@@Mapdotgolfrheem is better the trane and bosch both especially their furnaces.

Nothing can stop the Trane,

@stevee7774

Жыл бұрын

Except a crappy Chinese contactor, or an equally crappy Chinese capacitor.

@samsquires2877

2 ай бұрын

Lots of things can stop a trane.

Sad that such an expensive brand with a "good" reputation chose to save 10 bucks on a part that could ruin it. By the way it sure seems to me that you should invest in a thicker kneepad since all that body padding is coming of :)

I thought IT'S HARD TO STOP A TRANE, I GUESS NOT, NO BETTER THAN ANY OTHER BRANDS JUST MORE MONEY.

Why complain about a contactor or capacitor? Job security I don’t see this guy doing a free swap to the customers

no to handy with tools.......or you need to buy quality tools!

I got this same piece of crap trane. Nothing isn good like it used to be.

I have a 3.5 ton AS unit 20 model as well, contactor went out on it as well, also these units trane and As have really cheap outside condenser fan motors made in China and these motors are rusting out very badly and trane will not replace them even though they are warranted for 10 years to all do not go with trane or AS units, I will never buy one of these units again high price units very cheap parts and poor customer support.

Can't believe people still use wire nuts... Losers LOL

@samsquires2877

2 ай бұрын

Not really. Only hacks use waggos. I’m a service electrician and I replace waggos regularly.

Generac is garbage Kohler is the best.