BPSC गलत फैसला, Pre का एग्जाम 2 Shift में, UPSC Mains के बीच में Exam क्यों ?
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@shrashtidubey5257 Жыл бұрын
Sir MPPSC Ka aur bhi bura haal hai.. 19 June ko pre exam hua tha, 4 baar to ans sheet change ho gai hai..final key me 3 questions delete Kar diye hain.. Kai questions 2 aur kai questions ke to teen options sahi Maan liye hain..2018 se koi final topper nhi nikla hai. Ab to padhne ka bhi man nhi hota sir pata nhi kya ho raha hai...ekdum helpless feel hota hai sir... kya karu ? 😐
@AmitSingh-rm4lf
Жыл бұрын
Sahi kah rahi h aap. Pcs ke chakkar me pis sa gya h.
@comedyofficial0.0
Жыл бұрын
option B ,💐🌱👍🏿
@classicalvoice3144
Жыл бұрын
Sab state pcs ka wohi hal h dost ......exam time pr nhi hona .. corruption ka hona ...jab tak koe bada andolan nhi hoga ....ye nhi sudharna wala......
@AmitSingh-rm4lf
Жыл бұрын
Yes boss. I agree with you dear
@civilpathsala3162
Жыл бұрын
yes u r right
@SagarChaugule5555 Жыл бұрын
Sir get well soon .....plz come back to daily editorial discussion it is incomplete without you....
@RamSiyaRam11 Жыл бұрын
JPSC ka final merit list 31 May 2022 ko hi aa gaya. Pr abhi tk marks nhi release kiya gya. Hmlog lagbhag 3 mahine se wait hi kr rahe.
@akshitgupta4931 Жыл бұрын
EMERGENCY SITUATION - SUMIT SIR, consider this IN J&K PSC, Mains 2021 happened in April. More than 7 months, results not come. Students are in too much mental trauma. JKPSC issued a press note in October that result will come in 2nd week of november, it not came. When students visited JKPSC, they were told to wait for more days. Administration is totally non accountable. And even students who visited today at JKPSC, feel, this time too, JKPSC is playing game. They have not come true to their press note, how can students trust their words. Even The Deputy controller, who is incharge of exams said, He don't know anything about Press note. Please sir, take this issue, like you took Gujarat PSC, & Jharakhand Pcs. Please sir, this is Mental trauma. We don't care about pass/fail, There is something very wrong is happening in JKPSC, they are doing either Corruption, or hera pheri with result. In earlier years too, they were alleged so. Imagine, Lots of people lost their families in covid, many girls are forced to marry without having a career in hand, Unemployment in J&k is most among all states, There is no one to be held accountable. Some very wrong happening in JKPSC. kzread.info/dash/bejne/no6ok7urj6y7cqg.html
@kundangupta4453 Жыл бұрын
*Thanks a lot Sumit sir* 😊
@inspirational__LIFELessons Жыл бұрын
Thankyou sir
@meowsnpaws1861 Жыл бұрын
Thanks sumit sir for this. 👍
@tetctet834 Жыл бұрын
Thanks sir
@kanhaiyajyoti3183 Жыл бұрын
thanks sir
@AkankshaSingh-ir4wc Жыл бұрын
Aapka bahut bahut dhanyavaad Sir🙏🙏
@shwetatiwary3644 Жыл бұрын
We need teacher like you please sir bpsc ke liye koi batch start kijiye
@tanaya_thakur Жыл бұрын
Happy teacher's day sir 🤗
@bd6721 Жыл бұрын
Sir please raise voice fpr for RAS MAINS RESULT AS WELL... Copies have been cheked and its been 5 months already since Mains.. God knows what they are upto as they conducted mains within 3 months of pre inspite of so many protests but yet not releasing the results
@rabtwithpoetrystory9258 Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot sir to consider my msg..
@letsenjoy6472 Жыл бұрын
Aaj lathi charge hua uspar kya opinion hai aapka video bana dijiye
@HimanshuKumar-kx6kn Жыл бұрын
Good evening sir ap only ias par editorial discussion kub se kare ge ap sir
@pranavjeetsingh1971 Жыл бұрын
Sir can you please look into and raise the issue of hash option applied in Haryana PSC
@shivanisahu2054 Жыл бұрын
Sir plz editorial discussions kriy
@vikaseducationhub3690 Жыл бұрын
MP ke students jo mppsc ke tyari kr rhe hai .bahut students ki akhri ummid bhi khatm ho chuki hai.sir bahut bura haal hai....kya kere
@bhagatsinghfans8735 Жыл бұрын
Business kerni socho to .. graduate chai wali ro rhi hai .. Government jobs ki socho ..to youth ro rha hai kya karu bhagwan 😂😂
@studentkhanapkana6110 Жыл бұрын
Ssc me already aisa ho chuka h… last day by chance maximum log aise the jo bhut brilliant the and isliye last day ka marks bhut increase ho gya tha.. to ho sakta h k second day unka AI aise adjust kar de k saare senior ko second day mil jaaye… to even second day k 8k students brilliant ho or first day k 2k hi brilliant ho.. to second day k 3k students k saath injustice ho jaayega na… or aisa nhi k pehli baar hoga.. ye ho chuka hai isliye chances hai… jaisa ki law me hai k chaahe hazaro criminal ko saja na ho lekin ek innocent ko saja nhi honi chahiye. I feel agar ek student bhi aise situation ka shikaar hota hai to wo nhi honi chahiye..
@SurenderSingh-eb3ni Жыл бұрын
Accountability should be fixed Preliminary examination based on online like NTA and other testing agency . If offline exam is conduct tough rule and regulations made . Invigilator should be train .
@rupeshsingh681
Жыл бұрын
सेवा से रिटायर तथा मानसिक रूप से भी रिटायर वर्तमान बीपीएससी चेयरमैन हमारे भविष्य के साथ खेल रहा है कभी यूपीएससी में भी डीपी अग्रवाल ने साजिश करके सीसैट के द्वारा हिंदी माध्यम के छात्रों के भविष्य को तहस-नहस कर दिया जिसका परिणाम आज तक भुगता जा रहा है, दो शिफ्ट का एग्जाम सिर्फ उन लोगों का ऋण उतारने के लिए किया जा रहा है जिनका पैसा ये लोग खाए हैं, इसका विरोध करना ही होगा सरकार के माध्यम से या फिर कोर्ट के माध्यम से, नहीं तो आगामी बीपीएससी की परीक्षाएं भी इससे बुरी तरह प्रभावित होंगी, एकजुट होकर रहे सभी।
@satyamsuman827 Жыл бұрын
Sir 5k ek shift se aur 5k dusre shift me sbhi category like General, obc,ews sbhi ko equally divide krna hoga......aisa bpsc chairman ne kuch ni kaha hai
@diwaskumarpandey2241 Жыл бұрын
Thanks sir , bpsc 67th notification out oct 2021 , pt exam 12 dec 2021, sift jan 2022 , sift 30 april , sift may 8 , paper leak , again 20 , 22sep total 1 yr
@DearDsir Жыл бұрын
RPSC Mai bhi Mains exam ki prepare Karne Mai 93 days diye. Aur Pre results ke baad Exam syllabus change Kar Diya... Result abhi 5 months ho Gaye.. Kuch aata pata Nahi..
@Dark_horse_no.1 Жыл бұрын
Assam mein v case chal raha hai
@letsenjoy6472 Жыл бұрын
Sir editorial discussion kyon nahi kara rahe
@IRFAN-xb8nw Жыл бұрын
Students Aandolan ko hi dekhte hue Chairman sir jaldi se news channel me interview dene aa gaya.jab dono shift ka alag alag results hoga to fir Percentile me results dene ka kya jarurat hai??? Pehle ke hi tarah dono shift ka alag alag PERCENTAGE me hi results de.Yani aayog Percentile ka khel apne fayde dhandheli ke liye rakh raha hoga??? Percentile se students ko nuksaan hoga hi... Ek shift me hi exam ho
@mygaming6610 Жыл бұрын
Two days Exam. Candidates Category wise Ratio in First and Second Shift. Suppose First day 70 Percent Gen Category candidates appeared and Second Day 30 Percent Gen Category Candidates appeared. What is impact of First Day Gen Category and Second Date General Category? BPSC may balance two days Category wise ratios first day exam and Second days exam.
@Arinjay752 Жыл бұрын
Sir ,please raise the issue of the HCS exam ..# option has no clarity..cut off issue many more pls sir
@BituKumar-fb5yi Жыл бұрын
🙏
@shivanisahu2054 Жыл бұрын
Sir kafi time ho gya
@indiatour3207 Жыл бұрын
Sir Percentile system phle v bht exam hua hai to isme galt kya hai Agar single shift m paper hua to fr se andu pandu school me centre hoge aur paper leak honge
@dr.priyankapcs2758 Жыл бұрын
Hello Sumit sir Bahut dino se editorial discussion nai kar rhe h aap......we know that only ias having partnership with upsc wala,toh iska matlab ab editorial discussion nai kareinge aap??
@Jackryaninvincible Жыл бұрын
MPSC of MH has done great reforms in it's conduct of exam.
@harshchoudhary5107 Жыл бұрын
Sir we hindi medium students are also preparing for upsc
@harshchoudhary5107 Жыл бұрын
Sir the hindu ka editorial analysis ka pdf " hindi" me provide kr dijiye.....,🙏🏻
@inspirational__LIFELessons Жыл бұрын
Two shift me sir Kya categories maintain ho paega Kya same same categories ke bache alag alag me honge equal Kya absent and present in both shifts me proportionate rhega
@shwetatiwary3644 Жыл бұрын
Sir bpsc mains ke liye kuch kijiye please
@khushboo7951 Жыл бұрын
Sir mppsc bhi esa hee kuch kr rhi h recent mppsc ki exam me 10que. Ese h jinme kuch k ans. A, B ,C sb ko commission ne hee sahi kr diya h 3 que . Delete huye h . Students are facing too much problem . Why they are doing this i don't know.
@M.S.H.E.Trust6445 Жыл бұрын
Already tweeted sir or reteewet
@RamSiyaRam11 Жыл бұрын
Sir it's humble request to start mains answer writing improvement program for hindi medium students also.
@RAVIRAJ-hb5qo Жыл бұрын
Sir kuchh bhi kr le bihar government paper leak hoga hi. Isse bahut aasan UPSC ka exam hota h. yaha ka hr officer hi corrupt h pura hr jagah corruption h.
@vashisthsrivastava785 Жыл бұрын
Sir aapke Karol Bagh centre Gaya tha mein waha pe answer writing ke liye reception pe koi response nahi diya madam ne aur aise baat kar rhi thi jaise lag rha tha ki unhe koi intrest nahi ho aur hum join kar le kal ka to teacher bhi aise hi evaluation karenge time nahi denge
@amu7397 Жыл бұрын
Sir BPSC agar dono shift se 5000+5000 lega tho reservation kaise calculate hoga..?? Kindly explain🙏🏽 Kya dono shift mein ek hi category (BC) ka do alag alag cutoff niklega..??
@rituraj3088 Жыл бұрын
Sir hum to aye aa gy competition ka tyari krne sir bhole bhale bche ❤️ lkin yha ane ke bad to lgta abhminyujaise Chakravyuh mainnana to jante the lkin nikle kaise pta ni 😭😭😭 sir sb andehera andhera dikhata hain👍🏿❤️
@simransen223 Жыл бұрын
Happy Teacher's Day🌺🙏 आदर्शों की मिसाल बनकर बाल जीवन संवारता शिक्षक, सदाबहार फूल-सा खिलकर महकता और महकाता शिक्षक, नित नए प्रेरक आयाम लेकर हर पल भव्य बनाता शिक्षक, संचित ज्ञान का धन हमें देकर खुशियां खूब मनाता शिक्षक, ""शिक्षक की गोद में ही निर्माण और प्रलय दोनों पलते हैं,,,, अतः शिक्षक कभी साधारण नही होता। 💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐 Happy Teacher's Day sir & Only IAS team 😊 Thank you so much ☺️💝💫
@dolikumari4664 Жыл бұрын
Jpsc ka toh exam hi nhi hota
@vickyraj6529 Жыл бұрын
exam ekk date me hona chahiye
@rajeshpradhan6147 Жыл бұрын
Sir can I got your email I have so many doubts so want to clear it. I tried other teachers but their explanation is not that accurate . So want any communication with you. Waited with hope . 🙏
@dush1 Жыл бұрын
Kuch acha h per institutional corruption hai na.. jo paisa diye hue honge unko alag sift milega baki ko alag se.. last wala exam main re exam hua tha usme koi pass nai hua tha ...
@RiteshKumar-vl4yn Жыл бұрын
BPSC ka exam ek hi shift me hona chahiye
@NIRAJKUMAR-rq3te Жыл бұрын
One shift me exam ho sir plz
@prabhatranjan9202 Жыл бұрын
JPSC ka aapko bhi pata he🙏🙏
@Rajanji92 Жыл бұрын
Sir ssc k bhi exam bhi different dates p liya jata hai .....koi problem nhi.... resources kam hai bihar k pass ...leak hone se to sahi hai k 2 shift me ho ya 4
@studentkhanapkana6110
Жыл бұрын
Ssc or Bpsc me difference hai… Ssc me 1.5 lakh qualify karte hai.. whi Bpsc me sirf 6k.. to yaha life and death ka situation hai. Ssc ka mains objective hai fir bhi 1 din hi conduct karate hai.. Bpsc bhi 25k student ko select kar le mains k liye to koi dikkat nhi, 10 shift me karaye
@manojmeena6288
Жыл бұрын
Sir mppsc pr bi video bnaye ,2019 se abi tak kisi k results ni ya or n hi interview le rhe h 2019 k
@manojmeena6288
Жыл бұрын
Sir please 🙏 ap video bnna
@parisamwad Жыл бұрын
Thanks sir
@SagarChaugule5555 Жыл бұрын
Sir get well soon .....plz come back to daily editorial discussion it is incomplete without you....
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Sir MPPSC Ka aur bhi bura haal hai.. 19 June ko pre exam hua tha, 4 baar to ans sheet change ho gai hai..final key me 3 questions delete Kar diye hain.. Kai questions 2 aur kai questions ke to teen options sahi Maan liye hain..2018 se koi final topper nhi nikla hai. Ab to padhne ka bhi man nhi hota sir pata nhi kya ho raha hai...ekdum helpless feel hota hai sir... kya karu ? 😐
@AmitSingh-rm4lf
Жыл бұрын
Sahi kah rahi h aap. Pcs ke chakkar me pis sa gya h.
@comedyofficial0.0
Жыл бұрын
option B ,💐🌱👍🏿
@classicalvoice3144
Жыл бұрын
Sab state pcs ka wohi hal h dost ......exam time pr nhi hona .. corruption ka hona ...jab tak koe bada andolan nhi hoga ....ye nhi sudharna wala......
@AmitSingh-rm4lf
Жыл бұрын
Yes boss. I agree with you dear
@civilpathsala3162
Жыл бұрын
yes u r right
Sir get well soon .....plz come back to daily editorial discussion it is incomplete without you....
JPSC ka final merit list 31 May 2022 ko hi aa gaya. Pr abhi tk marks nhi release kiya gya. Hmlog lagbhag 3 mahine se wait hi kr rahe.
EMERGENCY SITUATION - SUMIT SIR, consider this IN J&K PSC, Mains 2021 happened in April. More than 7 months, results not come. Students are in too much mental trauma. JKPSC issued a press note in October that result will come in 2nd week of november, it not came. When students visited JKPSC, they were told to wait for more days. Administration is totally non accountable. And even students who visited today at JKPSC, feel, this time too, JKPSC is playing game. They have not come true to their press note, how can students trust their words. Even The Deputy controller, who is incharge of exams said, He don't know anything about Press note. Please sir, take this issue, like you took Gujarat PSC, & Jharakhand Pcs. Please sir, this is Mental trauma. We don't care about pass/fail, There is something very wrong is happening in JKPSC, they are doing either Corruption, or hera pheri with result. In earlier years too, they were alleged so. Imagine, Lots of people lost their families in covid, many girls are forced to marry without having a career in hand, Unemployment in J&k is most among all states, There is no one to be held accountable. Some very wrong happening in JKPSC. kzread.info/dash/bejne/no6ok7urj6y7cqg.html
*Thanks a lot Sumit sir* 😊
Thankyou sir
Thanks sumit sir for this. 👍
Thanks sir
thanks sir
Aapka bahut bahut dhanyavaad Sir🙏🙏
We need teacher like you please sir bpsc ke liye koi batch start kijiye
Happy teacher's day sir 🤗
Sir please raise voice fpr for RAS MAINS RESULT AS WELL... Copies have been cheked and its been 5 months already since Mains.. God knows what they are upto as they conducted mains within 3 months of pre inspite of so many protests but yet not releasing the results
Thanks a lot sir to consider my msg..
Aaj lathi charge hua uspar kya opinion hai aapka video bana dijiye
Good evening sir ap only ias par editorial discussion kub se kare ge ap sir
Sir can you please look into and raise the issue of hash option applied in Haryana PSC
Sir plz editorial discussions kriy
MP ke students jo mppsc ke tyari kr rhe hai .bahut students ki akhri ummid bhi khatm ho chuki hai.sir bahut bura haal hai....kya kere
Business kerni socho to .. graduate chai wali ro rhi hai .. Government jobs ki socho ..to youth ro rha hai kya karu bhagwan 😂😂
Ssc me already aisa ho chuka h… last day by chance maximum log aise the jo bhut brilliant the and isliye last day ka marks bhut increase ho gya tha.. to ho sakta h k second day unka AI aise adjust kar de k saare senior ko second day mil jaaye… to even second day k 8k students brilliant ho or first day k 2k hi brilliant ho.. to second day k 3k students k saath injustice ho jaayega na… or aisa nhi k pehli baar hoga.. ye ho chuka hai isliye chances hai… jaisa ki law me hai k chaahe hazaro criminal ko saja na ho lekin ek innocent ko saja nhi honi chahiye. I feel agar ek student bhi aise situation ka shikaar hota hai to wo nhi honi chahiye..
Accountability should be fixed Preliminary examination based on online like NTA and other testing agency . If offline exam is conduct tough rule and regulations made . Invigilator should be train .
@rupeshsingh681
Жыл бұрын
सेवा से रिटायर तथा मानसिक रूप से भी रिटायर वर्तमान बीपीएससी चेयरमैन हमारे भविष्य के साथ खेल रहा है कभी यूपीएससी में भी डीपी अग्रवाल ने साजिश करके सीसैट के द्वारा हिंदी माध्यम के छात्रों के भविष्य को तहस-नहस कर दिया जिसका परिणाम आज तक भुगता जा रहा है, दो शिफ्ट का एग्जाम सिर्फ उन लोगों का ऋण उतारने के लिए किया जा रहा है जिनका पैसा ये लोग खाए हैं, इसका विरोध करना ही होगा सरकार के माध्यम से या फिर कोर्ट के माध्यम से, नहीं तो आगामी बीपीएससी की परीक्षाएं भी इससे बुरी तरह प्रभावित होंगी, एकजुट होकर रहे सभी।
Sir 5k ek shift se aur 5k dusre shift me sbhi category like General, obc,ews sbhi ko equally divide krna hoga......aisa bpsc chairman ne kuch ni kaha hai
Thanks sir , bpsc 67th notification out oct 2021 , pt exam 12 dec 2021, sift jan 2022 , sift 30 april , sift may 8 , paper leak , again 20 , 22sep total 1 yr
RPSC Mai bhi Mains exam ki prepare Karne Mai 93 days diye. Aur Pre results ke baad Exam syllabus change Kar Diya... Result abhi 5 months ho Gaye.. Kuch aata pata Nahi..
Assam mein v case chal raha hai
Sir editorial discussion kyon nahi kara rahe
Students Aandolan ko hi dekhte hue Chairman sir jaldi se news channel me interview dene aa gaya.jab dono shift ka alag alag results hoga to fir Percentile me results dene ka kya jarurat hai??? Pehle ke hi tarah dono shift ka alag alag PERCENTAGE me hi results de.Yani aayog Percentile ka khel apne fayde dhandheli ke liye rakh raha hoga??? Percentile se students ko nuksaan hoga hi... Ek shift me hi exam ho
Two days Exam. Candidates Category wise Ratio in First and Second Shift. Suppose First day 70 Percent Gen Category candidates appeared and Second Day 30 Percent Gen Category Candidates appeared. What is impact of First Day Gen Category and Second Date General Category? BPSC may balance two days Category wise ratios first day exam and Second days exam.
Sir ,please raise the issue of the HCS exam ..# option has no clarity..cut off issue many more pls sir
🙏
Sir kafi time ho gya
Sir Percentile system phle v bht exam hua hai to isme galt kya hai Agar single shift m paper hua to fr se andu pandu school me centre hoge aur paper leak honge
Hello Sumit sir Bahut dino se editorial discussion nai kar rhe h aap......we know that only ias having partnership with upsc wala,toh iska matlab ab editorial discussion nai kareinge aap??
MPSC of MH has done great reforms in it's conduct of exam.
Sir we hindi medium students are also preparing for upsc
Sir the hindu ka editorial analysis ka pdf " hindi" me provide kr dijiye.....,🙏🏻
Two shift me sir Kya categories maintain ho paega Kya same same categories ke bache alag alag me honge equal Kya absent and present in both shifts me proportionate rhega
Sir bpsc mains ke liye kuch kijiye please
Sir mppsc bhi esa hee kuch kr rhi h recent mppsc ki exam me 10que. Ese h jinme kuch k ans. A, B ,C sb ko commission ne hee sahi kr diya h 3 que . Delete huye h . Students are facing too much problem . Why they are doing this i don't know.
Already tweeted sir or reteewet
Sir it's humble request to start mains answer writing improvement program for hindi medium students also.
Sir kuchh bhi kr le bihar government paper leak hoga hi. Isse bahut aasan UPSC ka exam hota h. yaha ka hr officer hi corrupt h pura hr jagah corruption h.
Sir aapke Karol Bagh centre Gaya tha mein waha pe answer writing ke liye reception pe koi response nahi diya madam ne aur aise baat kar rhi thi jaise lag rha tha ki unhe koi intrest nahi ho aur hum join kar le kal ka to teacher bhi aise hi evaluation karenge time nahi denge
Sir BPSC agar dono shift se 5000+5000 lega tho reservation kaise calculate hoga..?? Kindly explain🙏🏽 Kya dono shift mein ek hi category (BC) ka do alag alag cutoff niklega..??
Sir hum to aye aa gy competition ka tyari krne sir bhole bhale bche ❤️ lkin yha ane ke bad to lgta abhminyujaise Chakravyuh mainnana to jante the lkin nikle kaise pta ni 😭😭😭 sir sb andehera andhera dikhata hain👍🏿❤️
Happy Teacher's Day🌺🙏 आदर्शों की मिसाल बनकर बाल जीवन संवारता शिक्षक, सदाबहार फूल-सा खिलकर महकता और महकाता शिक्षक, नित नए प्रेरक आयाम लेकर हर पल भव्य बनाता शिक्षक, संचित ज्ञान का धन हमें देकर खुशियां खूब मनाता शिक्षक, ""शिक्षक की गोद में ही निर्माण और प्रलय दोनों पलते हैं,,,, अतः शिक्षक कभी साधारण नही होता। 💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐 Happy Teacher's Day sir & Only IAS team 😊 Thank you so much ☺️💝💫
Jpsc ka toh exam hi nhi hota
exam ekk date me hona chahiye
Sir can I got your email I have so many doubts so want to clear it. I tried other teachers but their explanation is not that accurate . So want any communication with you. Waited with hope . 🙏
Kuch acha h per institutional corruption hai na.. jo paisa diye hue honge unko alag sift milega baki ko alag se.. last wala exam main re exam hua tha usme koi pass nai hua tha ...
BPSC ka exam ek hi shift me hona chahiye
One shift me exam ho sir plz
JPSC ka aapko bhi pata he🙏🙏
Sir ssc k bhi exam bhi different dates p liya jata hai .....koi problem nhi.... resources kam hai bihar k pass ...leak hone se to sahi hai k 2 shift me ho ya 4
@studentkhanapkana6110
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Ssc or Bpsc me difference hai… Ssc me 1.5 lakh qualify karte hai.. whi Bpsc me sirf 6k.. to yaha life and death ka situation hai. Ssc ka mains objective hai fir bhi 1 din hi conduct karate hai.. Bpsc bhi 25k student ko select kar le mains k liye to koi dikkat nhi, 10 shift me karaye
@manojmeena6288
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Sir mppsc pr bi video bnaye ,2019 se abi tak kisi k results ni ya or n hi interview le rhe h 2019 k
@manojmeena6288
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Sir please 🙏 ap video bnna
Thanks sir
Sir get well soon .....plz come back to daily editorial discussion it is incomplete without you....