Hey #PDArmy, we wanna know what you think of the new Bounce Infinity E1 electric scooter! Tell us below, and give the video a thumbs up if you want us to make comprehensive ride-review.

@harshithsadhana7475

2 жыл бұрын

this scooter & its schemes will beat everything in its path. i love. 36,000rs for an ev scooter? lord answered my prayers. i sell my 3g activa and get this.

@krish3365

2 жыл бұрын

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@netajireddy5919

2 жыл бұрын

Make a ride review

@mohammadajeez909

2 жыл бұрын

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@ananyakondhalkar8243

2 жыл бұрын

P pop 0ll

Batteries should be like usb type c, a standard part across (one size fits all) among all EV mopeds and bikes.

@kirubashankar7249

2 жыл бұрын

Yup and all petrol stations should have a battery swapping station as mandatory in addition to ur standardized model of battery . Would be cool.

@SMI77Y.

2 жыл бұрын

Most likely not gonna happen. There will always be a company like apple who will not coordinate

@mutchlouis9707

2 жыл бұрын

@@SMI77Y. U bet, but there's always going to be a Lewis Rossman and European union to mandate to standard or to the least, challenge them.

Please include a 20 litre water can test for the front space for scooters✌🏻

@boobooboom3961

2 жыл бұрын

This is a must 🤣

@vinodreddy_27

2 жыл бұрын

That's why we have scooters. So it's a must.

@ArunKumar-ik5ry

2 жыл бұрын

And 14 kg gas cylinders too😅😅

@riskyrun

2 жыл бұрын

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Bounce has a good plan in place, if I may extrapolate from Shumi sir's assessment; we will be offered at least 3 variations of the EV with most of the commonly requested features be it connectivity or safety. Interesting to see companies taking a mango man approach to the aftersales part of the EV (cough, cough lookin' at you Ather). I feel if implemented correctly this battery swap policy will be the shot in the arm for the fledging 2 wheeler EV market. Bounce as has gotten the ball rolling in the right direction for the consumers - have to see if the other major players in the EV space get on-board; inertia at rest not withstanding :).

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Proof of the pudding is needed though

Was hoping for a EV that has the time getting a fully charged battery same as filling petrol. Very radical and nice innovation!! I am okay with less speed, not an enthusiast anyways... Who can be an enthusiast in choke a bloc traffic But a 1250 subscription is a bit of a bummer

taking the battery home to charge is also something that i think will be useful in many ways

This looks stylish and the new method of swapping the battery is really good if they execute it correctly throughout India 👍

@powerdriftofficial

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! The idea is perfect!

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what Bounce is hoping to nail. If it does work, it’ll be a game changer

@evthink

2 жыл бұрын

@@shu_mar Can you elaborate on what you meant when you said Swapping is considered the ultimate solution internationally for EVs ? Currently only Nio and Gogoro have battery swap stations as far as I am aware. There are few other startups planning it. But major EV Cars all choose Charging not swapping.

@anirudhhhh

2 жыл бұрын

@@powerdriftofficial No it's not. It's a bad idea because you need more batteries than scooters. Worldwide Battery cell production is limited. Although production will grow but it will be always playing catchup. This solution just won't scale up.

@sureshseth1530

2 жыл бұрын

@@powerdriftofficial by

Proper service and right marketing will make it successful. They must not do like Ola and Simple One. They should sell the scooter in the city where they have sufficient battery swapping stations. Because nobody can wait to charge the ev.

Pricing is killer and range seems good enough. Hope battery swap works out for bounce.

@Rahul-or9hr

2 жыл бұрын

Yes price is killer.. other companies are looting us..this is very good

@SanjayKumar-gv2ph

2 жыл бұрын

@Rahul then Fuck don’t buy it , this just simple solution don’t buy it If you knows they are looting ..

~900₹ a month + ~35₹ per swap my petrol cost is less than that...

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

True. But you’d have paid something like ₹55000 only up front.

If you drive aggressively, range would be 50ish, paying 35/- for 50km is not cheap in EV standards. Also, over the time li-ion batteries degrade and then for 35/-, you get even lesser range. And subscription amount:l Normally 20/- electricity gives 50km range (easily)

@evthink

2 жыл бұрын

As per their claim, it costs 65 paise or Rs 0.65 per km to use the battery swapping option. This is useful for people who use a lot of range and don't have time for charging. Also the battery types can be updated to new chemistry, higher power/range and lower weight later by bounce. You don't need to worry about Battery warranty or degradation. Bounce should be checking and replacing degraded batteries.

Swap battery is a great concept, hope it works out well, Shumi the best 👌

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sathish! Yes it’s complex but I hope it works for sure

@barryobrien1890

2 жыл бұрын

You forget the 850 monthly charge. It is equivalent to Rs35k for 4 years at 8%, so you are paying a lot for this bike without the battery. At the end of 4 years you don't own a battery so must pay forever. It's not really a good deal as it's rs35 for a battery you can charge at home for rs4

A theft GPS system should be in every vehicle. I am planning to put an Air Tag in all my vehicles 😅

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

What a great idea!

I feel that in the future the swappable battery feature will be a revolution for sure, but the only factor I fear is the 'sense of ownership' of the battery will eventually lower the brand value and customer satisfaction.

Looks promising, features are good only range is little issue.

@xyan819

2 жыл бұрын

You can swap battery so range is not an issue here

The subscription system should to be planned well. Bounce can even do something like what we've been seeing in some automotive brands, where they build the vehicle with all the hardware already installed but charge a subscription fee to enable or disable the said features. This can definitely be looked into with that kind of business model.

@CarlosAlbuquerque1

2 жыл бұрын

Then wouldn't the vehicle become useless beyond minor basics, once the software service is cut by the company in its planned obsolescence?

@frostyfox1495

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarlosAlbuquerque1 Maybe then charge a base price for the vehicle considering just the minor basics like just riding it with the said features disabled and then enabling it only if the customer pays the subscription. Idk mate, its just an idea which can be looked upon with a business model like that.

@CarlosAlbuquerque1

2 жыл бұрын

@@frostyfox1495 I understand.. we're just mulling over possibilities. The company will anyways do whats profitable for them, not us :)

I like their approach to the problem with ev and also the price bracket the scooter is launched in

seems kinda weird. But hey, who knows, swap could be the future if implemented well...

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

It could def be the future.

नहीं....! We need super fast scooters so people can run races on the pot holed roads...yeah...

It looks like Activa from back side .....

I think Bounce is targeting for rental business and might work for them if they expand to every city in India. But the catch is in Bangalore Bounce scooters are prone to abuse by the users. Additionally Bounce was having fragile TVS Pep petrol versions. If Bounce is going to replace the fragile pep with this fragile e-version, I am quite sure the cost will be on the consumer eventually. May be bounce might have no way to deal with damages of rental scooters and they built a cheaper version for there business model. One thing is sure, number of Bounce Infinity E1 bought for personal use will be way less than the Infinity E1 used for rental purpose.

Problem might be with battery robberies or forfeiting , etc etc jugaads

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

They’ll at GPS enabled and net connected - won’t be that easy to steal TBH

@PD.. Please share the information on cost of operation of this scooter with subscription model.. initial impression feels like this model might equate to same cost of conventional ICE scooters..

Not sold on the overall design of the scooter but at least the "infinity" font design looks cool...

@abhinavsingh.92

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, there is no consistency. It looks like the design was borrowed from different vehicles in bits and pieces. Hell, the rear lamp looks exactly like the Activa's.

All the ev vehicle manufacturers together should create a chain of battery swapping and charging centers which would provide all kinds of battery swapping and charging under one roof. I think it would be efficient and this way the station density would be a lot higher.

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

The reason why charge stations are not on the radar for many OEMs is because these EVs still need 4-5 hours to charge to full and no one willl park for that long (hence home charging).

Would love to have a scooter with removable battery and charge separately.

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

This one has it already. You can unplug and take the battery home if you want

@pratulkishore861

2 жыл бұрын

@@shu_mar thanks Shumi for replying. 😀 This feature will be helpful to me on hills. Hope it does well. Would request some escooter testing on hill roads 😊

Swappable battery is a good option though it will be interesting to see what can be provided to the end user on ground...I mean ground level where we drive...given the change in human residential patterns and versatile climate conditions... It's a long way to go before EV will reincarnate to an acceptable option with no restrictions attached. Centre stand is the primary requirement...no matter what..side stand is should be optional accessory

i dont have a side stand in my aprilia.using the centre stand 'only' since 2017.though 2wheelers are light and wont damage the tyres,still i prefer the centre stand.

69,000. Atleast the pricing is on point.💯

Shumi baba in the video's thumbnail looks as if he's possessed. 😂🤣

I love it, i love the idea but the subscription amount is very high. It will dilute the whole idea of cheaper to travel ebikes

@evthink

2 жыл бұрын

You can buy it with battery and use charger if that is better option for you. It costs around Rs 69,000 with Battery.

Center-stand is very important. It keeps the engine horizontal, so the oil always stays level, and you know how important having level oil is! It also keeps fuel level, and that way your vehicle starts very easily. Also the brakes need to be always vertical. E.g. when you lean to one side, you can feel yourself falling. That's because the brakes are not vertical anymore. A center stand is at the center of vehicle and keep the vehicle in sync with the earth's gravity thus increasing vehicle longevity. When you regularly use center-stand, you will observe your vehicle rusts less, nuts and bolts stay tight, and the air in tyres does not deplete as easily. Hence proved! Cheers!

If this happened ie swap ....it will definately bounce the ev sales for sure. Love ❤️ you powerdrift and shumi♥️♥️

@powerdriftofficial

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes! We love you too! :D

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Samarjit!

@samarjitdas983

2 жыл бұрын

@@powerdriftofficial 😍

@samarjitdas983

2 жыл бұрын

@@shu_mar 😍

They had me at swappable & home chargeable batteries. A step in the right direction since I and many like me live in apartments where there are no charging stations and a scooty is much needed for daily chores. And for city commute, range & speed are more than enough.

You are always great Sir 👍 Could you please suggest top vehicle 2 wheeler and 3 wheeler which are great for commercial use ie for hire purpose with good build quality and great batteries

Nice video Shumi sir & team Powerdrift. Any idea on which cities will be there in the first access list... I mean where are they gonna start from?

Really excited to get this at this price for my day to day activities.

Center stand is essential if you are parking inounlic spaces to minimize the space your bike takes, that is being responsible.

Monthly subscription for battery seems to be quite high, given that you also pay 35 rupees for every swap

Main stand is must as it is helpful in tyre puncture repair.

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Not for tubeless tyres TBH.

@kausarbarisadriwala2873

2 жыл бұрын

Yes main stand is must in emergency case is useful

@kausarbarisadriwala2873

2 жыл бұрын

In Simple1 have main stand or not, like ather doesn't provide main stand

@sameerdeshpande6360

2 жыл бұрын

@@shu_mar if battery is removable then people will use it for various other purposes like connecting it to home inverter, to jump start car, campaign etc which can damage battery life.

A couple of problems I foresee is with a 10 kilo battery old people and women will struggle to lift and swap seeing how they have stacked the batts in that shelf thing. The other is our esteemed, responsible citizens. What if one was in a hurry and swapped a new batt but left the old one on the floor?

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Valid. 10kg is hefty. And I suspect that most locations will have an attendant who will sort these out

They'll have to convince people that they're swapping a good battery for an equally good one.

@xyz-vv5tg

2 жыл бұрын

Faulty batteries may be replaced for free in the next station

@CarlosAlbuquerque1

2 жыл бұрын

@@xyz-vv5tg That would be ideal. Let's see what the company does when it actually launches :)

So, 45k for scooter + 57k for battery swapping subscribtion + 850 per month + 35 every battery swap. So if your daily commute is 50 kms, for 26 days you will need 26 swaps (50km range) which will cost 910 bucks + 850 = 1760 at minimum. Not sure if the economics work in consumers favor. Better than petrol, no doubt. You also don't need to worry about battery replacement cost 4 yrs down the line.

@Prashant19821

2 жыл бұрын

Good calculations 👍♥️

This is gonna be a game changer. Most people in Indian cities live in apartment where taking the battery to the home or installing charger in the parking is a pain in the butt.

should be 30 rupees per swap, easier to give cash that way

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

True! But the billing will probably be app-based and online

Use to work in Bounce, back then they had Ampere EV it was funny to ride.. Can't wait see how this one feels.. But big growth tho...

@powerdriftofficial

2 жыл бұрын

Did you work on the EVs?

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Funny how?

@antoryan3004

2 жыл бұрын

Not this one.. The old rental EV ones.. Back in 2019.. I don't work their anymore.. Was working in inspection team.. Job was to test ride the bike before giving in to the customer.. Also other checklists to be done before giving them.. The Ampere's top speed was like 65ish to 70kmph.. Two modes Power and eco.. Basic digital display.. Was not that good to ride.. Waiting to try this one.. And again I don't work their any more... As Always shumi ROCKS 😁🤘

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

@@antoryan3004 ah like that. Thanks Anto!

@antoryan3004

2 жыл бұрын

@@shu_mar initial throttle will be intimidating once we cross just 5 to 10kmpish mark felt like their was drop in torque.. ( am taking abt their Ampere EV's) didn't feel that in one bike.. I use to test ride 20 to 30 EV's on a busy day.. So waiting to see how this feels .. The infinity.. 😁 and happy to see you guys test this..🤘🔥PD🔥🤘

It would be nice if we can charge battery with renewable energy (Solar, wind, Dynamo)

Now just like successful model Okinawa praise pro.. 65 to 70km is good speed for urban usages.. Have to wait how this bounces develops the actual sale models

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Always test ride and decide

Swaping is business static Simply give 150kmc, no commuter go more than this per day Work on battery not on unwanted futures Average speed 60kmh, good comfort, very good range should be the priority

i still dont know, why these brands don't look at east, bro i m from burdwan(90km from kolkata towards delhi a tier-B city). These Brands should look for us 🙂. Otherwise my R15 2014 edition is still better than these, because grapes are sour. 🙂🙂

Battery should have been placed lower, preferably under the rider for rest. Also it would be nice to see some mechanism for swapping the battery which would replace the battery automatically as the battery is heavy and it would injury some people. It can be dropped which might set the battery on fire.

When they make high capacity and high speed ev bikes , let's take major decisions of petrol v/s electric

If I am buying without battery, what will i swap at the swapping station (which battery i will put for exchange of a charged battery)

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

The system has batteries you can “borrow”. That’s what the subscription on the swap model is for

With no e waste disposal system in place ....god bless our soil With these batteries

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

This is true. It’ll become a fairly serious concern if not addressed within 5 years

Throughout the video i felt as if shumi is a windows wallpaper and the pole showing through the negative space of the gate on the left are desktop icons

India`s future is Electric two wheelers. And also two wheelers are the main culprits for Growing India`s economy. It`s very nice lead. As a startup this is a very nice path.

Definitely worth the money. The swapping system best suits for every kind of EV's and I think Bounce has moved in the right direction

Need universal swap station for all brand batteries just like how telecom companies share and rent their assets

I think the range is nothing to complain for the price. It is quite innovative.

1200 bucks per month. Assuming an urban ride is roughly 15km to and fro. That's roughly 4 days of ride worth in a single charge. That's 7 battery swaps needed a month. That's 245 BaaS charge per month. That's 1445/month for 450km of monthly mileage. That's Rs3/- cost per kilometre. Compare this with petrol: 40kmpl and petrol at 100pl, translating to a Rs2.5/- cost per kilometre. Petrol would have a higher upfront and a service cost.

This is exactly what the customers wanted for their EV vehicles wherein they swap the batteries instead of waiting for hours to re-charge the same battery. Very much like re-filling Gas Cylinders.

Swap is stupid idea. You need just good range and quick charging system.

@abhiananth1527

2 жыл бұрын

hey, who knows, could be the future if implemented well...

@adityanath3570

2 жыл бұрын

Hey! It worked for Eveready Torch....

@abhiananth1527

2 жыл бұрын

@@adityanath3570 yea, AA was available in the cornershop

@adityanath3570

2 жыл бұрын

@@abhiananth1527 you know what's not available in a cornershop?

@abhiananth1527

2 жыл бұрын

@@adityanath3570 ?

It's so compact. Taller people will face problem.☹

Wonder why are EV scooters design so quirky. This swap and subscription options sounds complicated. Only time will tell how successful this model would be.

For swapping they are charging 1250/- seperately and also 35/- every time you swap it

@gauthambb

2 жыл бұрын

True. Assuming even 500 km per month, using only swap will cost over Rs. 3/Km. Which is higher than most commuter ICE scooters cost per km.

If it's working on swapping technology it should have 2 battery setup othewise utilisation of battery capacity will be far less than expected.

@Powerdrift If someone owns/buys the scooter with battery paying Rs 68999 ..... So they can also swap the batteries at battery Swapping stations by paying ₹35 per swap ...!?

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

No the price will change but you can take a “loan” battery in an emergency and return it. The reason why the cheap swap won’t happen is because of the battery’s state of charge. Would you be willing to take a much older battery than the new one in your scooter?

Shumi bouncing in the thumbnail. Good to see some competition in the scooter market, be it ICE or EV.

@powerdriftofficial

2 жыл бұрын

Haha! He's always bouncing! :P

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Competition is always good!

1200 subscribtion than 35 rs. Per swap. That means even if someone makes 30 swap a month it will cost him 40 rs. Per swap & with 35 rs. Included it will cost 75 rs. Per swap. That means 1 or 1.2 rs. Per km. Whereas other E.V cost 20-30 paise per km. What a gimmick

I will say , they planned it very beautiful. Now days , people are targeting ev 2 wheeler for around city only. For that purpose it fits wel and it's cheap compare to others. Other hand , there are other ev model in market with high speed , high cost but how can we use them as they don't have long range.

Will it work on hills? As it required more power on hilly slopes upwards.

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

We shall ride and see!

@pratulkishore861

2 жыл бұрын

@@shu_mar lets do it. 👍 Look forward to your testing 😀

Battery swapping can be great if I am not using the scooter rarely, say every 6 months provided the subscription scheme works in the customer's favor!!

Future for electric scooter is Huge soon mobile jaints are also going to launch their scooters as well n we will be seeing their review in tech shows🧐

@praveenreddy2451

2 жыл бұрын

Vivo already started building one

Unless the swap stations are setup in n numbers, this is again the same story as others. The hardware on this is not that great either for starters. Ev's need to be standardized to succeed. Each having proprietary tech ain't going to help. Also since you talk about the below par fit and finish, concerns also come to mind regarding the battery which should be stable and safe. Ev's need a few years to develop in infrastructure and once that happens, we are good to make the switch.

In my opinion, companies should focus on making owning an electric scooter as simple as possible. These subscription based model is good but not at the moment. At the moment, the EV market is already on a war with the traditional ICE industry so the first thing all EV manufacturers need to do is make EVs appear on the road. The more the people see these vehicles on the road, the more they get comfortable with the idea of electric vehicles, which benefits all of the EV industry.

If its a personal two wheeler..Then we are personally taking care of all the parts including the Battery and the way we are discharging the Battery...but if swapping battery then not sure of the quality of swapped battery...

This could be the most logical and sustainable option which primarily focuses on customer. I just hope it works! I hope it dominates EVs!

i love it. 36,000rs for an ev scooter? LORD or GODS have answered my prayers. i sell my 3g activa and get this. this scooter & its schemes will beat everything in its path

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Best of luck. But as always, test ride and then decide

1:50 Wow, Range is 85km "per hour" yaar

looks very interesting.. good luck bounce!!!

I was confused why would anyone buy a scooter without a battery 😂 thank shumi sir for explaining it ❤️

Best ..respect for this company....while other companies electric scooters are very high price and looting us !

Hello! I wanted to ask if we can use the scooter by charging the same one battery in our home, instead of exchanging it for another one at the swap centre. Also is it compulsory to subscribe to the battery swap service?

Hi is this available without battery & charger . Will the warranty be valid pls let us know

Center stand is necessary.

We need a battery which can be charged if we want to, OR swap the same battery for a fully charged one. Why do we have to choose between a battery which is chargeable and a one which is swappable? Madness!

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Because batteries age. You can control the one you own but the one from the swap system could be substantially older…

@sumanrao1739

2 жыл бұрын

@@shu_mar can't the expiry date concept apply to the swappable batteries? The swapping station has to ensure the battery given will run for a certain number of miles.

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

@@sumanrao1739 it won’t matter to you because tomorrow morning you’ll just go a new one. The system should be able to retire truly old batteries automatically

@sumanrao1739

2 жыл бұрын

@@shu_mar expiry date

When I was in Bangalore.. people used to steal helmets from Bounce.. not sure how Bounce will manage if people start stealing batteries/put duplicate batteries..

I use centre stand for my Bullet most of the times...

@shu_mar

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but with tubeless tyres, most of the utility starts to disappear.

Thats an old wine in new bottle... Initially launched by Twenty Two Motors as Flow in year 2018, let's see how much bounce gets successful....

If it was only one subscription that we pay and enjoy the swapping, it would be worth... Why pay 35rs per swap and 850/1200 extra... Ridiculous!

Watched this video again because of shumi! I am wondering how much weight can it take with pillon and mileage with pillon. If it can give even 50kmpl with pillon then this will be great.

I like the model ,it's stylish, and it's quite affordable for every middle class person, and they have said they will make electric station every 1km,something like that, if it's happened that would be great. Mileage is also gread, but government have to do something what Delhi government has done, I mean if you give your old scoty then you will get more discount something 3-4k discount, government has to apply this kinda scheme ,so that more ppl will buy ev, and I feel gov has to make atleast 2-3 electric charging station in every gas stations.

Does that mean for these pricing we can get 2 ather or 2 ola.... Buisness minds 👌👌👌

This had all the positives only one cons dimensions are small there's no scooter for a 6 ft guys😑 looks like need to stick with access125 until burgman electric is launched

What if it had a range of 150+ kmph?? That would be terrifying!!!

Isn't this with swapping subscription, costing almost same as IE scooter? Then what is the use🤔

The idea is good. But yeah, I would wait before all this EV crazy thingy gets settled, say in 2023 or 2024 with all the public charging/swapping infra. Till then enjoy ICE engines till they last!

Please describe about the battery connectors! That is a matter of concern.

if a buyer buys with a battery swap option, what would stop the user from charging it at home ?

Dear ....I would like to know which brand of shirt are you wearing in this video...its double pocket without flaps looks nice...I would like to buy one