Bore & Bell Size... What Do They REALLY Do? | Trumpet Demystified Episode 2

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It's common to hear the same few phrases about bores and bells repeatd ad nauseum in the trumpet community and industry. But how much of it is true? How much of it is universal? As it turns out, this is just as subjective of a matter as anything else in trumpet design. After all, the many options on the market today all exist for a reason! Stay tuned for more episodes of Trumpet Demystified coming very soon!
~CHAPTERS~
0:00 Opening Remarks
1:39 1. Introducing Bore Size
3:02 2. Common Bore Sizes
5:30 3. Why Vary Bore Size?
9:31 4. Bore Shape
11:18 5. Introducing the Bell
11:59 6. Bell Specifications
13:03 Closing Remarks
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  • @SamuelPlaysBrass
    @SamuelPlaysBrass7 ай бұрын

    Hey all! I’m so happy to say that Episode 1 was a great success on the channel! To any new viewers tuning in-hope to see you stick around for the rest of the series :)

  • @James_Dawes

    @James_Dawes

    7 ай бұрын

    Episode 2 out so soon! You spoil us Sam!

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    7 ай бұрын

    @@James_Dawes I have a deadline to meet 😬😂

  • @campas7182
    @campas71827 ай бұрын

    Great public service you're doing to the trumpet (and brass in general) community, looking forward to the next episodes.

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    7 ай бұрын

    Thank you very much. I’m glad you are enjoying the series so far.

  • @chasefreak
    @chasefreak6 ай бұрын

    excellent and informative. The Yamaha step bore designs initially were/are courtesy of Mr. Ren Schilke's contribution and collaboration.

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    6 ай бұрын

    That makes sense. Renold’s writings were some of the most helpful in researching for this project, and I tend to really like the Schilke-inspired Yamaha designs.

  • @rdalton49
    @rdalton495 ай бұрын

    Great information! Thanks for posting. Wish I had watched this before I bought my trumpet (I love it anyway).

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    5 ай бұрын

    There is a lot I wish I had known before getting mine as well! Hoping I can save some future trumpet players!

  • @larry8664
    @larry8664Ай бұрын

    I play a pretty large mouthpiece and I play mostly big bands and salsa gigs..I have found that my Olds Super balances out the large mouthpiece very nicely.My super has a bell throat that flairs late and that’s where I feel like I get the needed resistance to help compensate for the large diameter mouthpiece.Also the tuning slide is kinda square shape which adds a bit of resistance too.These things really help me get thru 4 hour too freakin amplified and loud commercial gigs.Oh and I’m 70 years old..👨🏼‍🦳

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks for your comment, Larry. I’m in a similar boat, with my trumpet perhaps being “tighter” than conventional, balancing my large mouthpiece tastes. Also, not my main horn, but I have a fun little 1924-25 King Liberty that that has a similarly slow-flaring bell that definitely is fun to plug something silly like a Bach 1D or 1E into! Also, much respect for being able to survive four hour gigs at your age. I’m a third as old as you are and I don’t know if I could do it…

  • @larry8664

    @larry8664

    Ай бұрын

    @@SamuelPlaysBrass the right tool for the job. I played Bach 43/43 my whole career, which included broadway musicals, big bands,and some orchestral gigs,and club dates too..Now days,as the gigs I play are mostly very loud I love the Super for a bell to mic horn that has a very fast attack (response) …My bachs have a slightly more complete rounder sound,but the olds has a fine sound, and an easier horn then my Bachs without a doubt.The olds people knew their stuff!

  • @SteamMikey
    @SteamMikey2 ай бұрын

    Very informative! Thanks Sam

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you Mike! Glad you thought so.

  • @seanwoodburn2616
    @seanwoodburn26163 ай бұрын

    Brilliant breakdown.

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    3 ай бұрын

    Thank you, Sean!

  • @jetskihognam
    @jetskihognam7 ай бұрын

    Really nice video sam. You explain everything very good to the details. Thanks to you I learnt something new about the intonation of my flugel vs my trumpet. I could never figure out why my high notes were so flat on flugel and so sharp on trumpet. And btw you have a very nice voice to listen to. Okay enough fuel for your ego. But thanks for all the videos.

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    7 ай бұрын

    Thank you very much. I appreciate your kind words greatly. Yes indeed-the flugel goes flatter in the upper register by virtue of the deeper mouthpiece cup and more conical bore!

  • @pm71241
    @pm712414 ай бұрын

    I seem to recall I used to see a lot of talk about bell material. ... So ... brass trumpets with more copper in the bell. (on Trombones too... AFAIR)

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    4 ай бұрын

    Funny you should mention that on Episode 2, because that’s precisely what I talked about on Episode 3!

  • @THEDARKILLERS46
    @THEDARKILLERS465 ай бұрын

    Just discovered your channel with the (rare) review of my trumpet (YTR2335) and I must say I'm not disappointed, I just got back to playing after a 5y break and your content is extremely instructive in looking for my next instrument. Thank you for your work, cheers !

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    5 ай бұрын

    Thank you for your kind words! Glad you stumbled upon the channel and I hope to see you stick around. Best of luck getting back into playing!

  • @darryljones9208
    @darryljones92087 ай бұрын

    Large bores in general have less acoustic impedance and they do not have as strong of resonances. The acoustic impedance does contribute to the "played" air flow resistance. So it is not only the mouthpiece throat that determines flow resistance when playing.

  • @tomchojnowski9215

    @tomchojnowski9215

    7 ай бұрын

    Yes 100% right. Some people that claim that the bore size doesn’t matter are misguided,Maybe some monsters like Arturo it doesn’t matter, but to normal trumpet players it sure does. Step bores or choked bells can make a large bore horn easier to deal with but a straight Benge 6x or a Wild Thing will definitely take extra energy away from the player during a 4 hour gig.

  • @darryljones9208

    @darryljones9208

    7 ай бұрын

    @@tomchojnowski9215 yes, what players don't realize is that less resistance also means less efficiency. The player must balance their preferences.

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    7 ай бұрын

    I think that’s a good way to put it, Darryl. The lessened impedance of large bores is part of the reason why I don’t sound good playing on them. The sound becomes tired and a little too unrestrained. The energy threshold to sustain the vibration is too high for me. I meant to allude to this concept while talking about how I don’t sound good on large bores.

  • @tomchojnowski9215

    @tomchojnowski9215

    7 ай бұрын

    @@SamuelPlaysBrass Large bore plus large mouthpiece is a brutal combination.

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    7 ай бұрын

    Good point, Tom. That's another thing. My chops and approach require a rather wide mouthpiece diameter, which also decreases the efficacy of playing on a large bore instrument.

  • @chris430811
    @chris4308117 ай бұрын

    Do you have an opinion on the Wayne Bergeron LA II trumpet where sone feel it is more open playing than say other horns like a ML Bach, and others. Do you feel the lead pipe or other areas on the horn are larger than normal for other ML horns?

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    7 ай бұрын

    First off, I haven’t gotten a chance to play the Bergeron LA models. But what I will say is how “open” or “free-blowing” a horn is has extremely little, if any at all, to do with how “big” the bore is at any point. I find my M bore Yamaha 8310Z much more “free blowing” than almost any ML or L Strad, many of which lock up on me above the staff. To really target how “open” a horn is, you have to think more about variables like turbulence (how rounded the crooks are, etc.), impedance (mass and how it’s distributed) and a whole lot of other messy factors. I generally find Yamahas to have a much more open blow than Bachs, but it’s tough to pinpoint why and can vary from person to person based on the style of their blow as a player.

  • @hauke3644
    @hauke36447 ай бұрын

    In the beginning of my lookout for trumpet models, I thought a large bore must be good and got a Yamaha 6340. While that was very easy to play and a really nice instrument overall, it didn’t deliver the full-bodied sound I was after. I now have a 732 with M bore size whims sound I like more. So one could think that M bore gives full sound and L bore makes it brighter? Of course not, my horn with the fattest sound is a ML CarolBrass, while a Yamaha 934 sounds very bright and elegant, but maybe a bit thin - also with an ML bore… My conclusion: bore size has absolutely no meaning on its own. Still I recognize that most trumpets in my collection have M bore.

  • @SamuelPlaysBrass

    @SamuelPlaysBrass

    7 ай бұрын

    I completely agree. I play and sound far better on an M bore due to the more conical bell section than the straighter taper of an L bore. However, this can vary from player to player. You and I are probably in the minority. :)

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