Paying for the privilege of yelling at you is brilliant 😂😂❤

@happyperson8740

9 ай бұрын

Who would waste their money! Just hit the “negative” button. If enough people do that, KZread will not pay Lienne.

DNFd The Way of Kings. It was slow and I didn’t get the point of it. I don’t know if I should give any other Sanderson book a chance.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I personally enjoyed the first two Mistborn books, unfortunately the conclusion to that trilogy soured me on it a bit, and I liked the first Skyward book, but I haven't read the rest so I don't know how good the series is overall

@alquin9553

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary thank you for answering. I do have Mistborn book. I think I’ll give it a read. Fortunately, I just have the first book-I had to give away the box set I had of the Stormlight Archive.

What you said about Stormlight is interesting. I am a physicist and I often have a terrible time reading scifi because my brain is screaming, “Authors! Google is your friend!” I always, however, feel “safe” reading Sanderson. He doesn’t forget little things like gravity and friction. As a side note, Tress is fun because fluid dynamics can be so counterintuitive and Sanderson plays with that. Re Kristoff - I really do not understand the women who like that book. I actually need someone to explain it to me because ick!

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

see, my background is in anthropology, not physics, and from that perspective, to borrow your wording, I do not feel "safe" reading Sanderson lol

@arlissbunny

Жыл бұрын

That makes perfect sense to me. :-)

@exomake_mehorololo

Жыл бұрын

That's actually nice to hear. I'm not a physicist but a biologist and I often want to cry a bit hearing people talk or write about anything from evolution, to genetics and immunology. It's great if an author makes the effort and can represent science well. I've never actually read Sanderson 😅.... His books seem rather long so not sure what's a good one to start is.

@arlissbunny

Жыл бұрын

@@exomake_mehorololo The Sanderson books look long but the prose aren’t dense so the books all read fast. I started with The Final Empire, the first book in the Mistborn series, and I feel like starting there gave me a solid footing. Almost all of Sanderson’s books are set in the same universe, though not necessarily on the same planet. The Final Empire makes sense as a place to start without getting in too deep. What’s interesting about Mistborn is that you can read on from the first Mistborn era (trilogy) into the second. Mistborn era two is set on the same planet many hundreds of years later following a major geologic and climate event. It’s fascinating to see how the society has changed as a result. Mistborn era two isn’t for everyone. Sanderson has a silly sense of humor and one of two major POV characters is written to be funny. For me, Mistborn era two is my favorite because I am both interested by the science and I love these characters in particular.

@warpathh

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary sooo dumb.

I read and LOVED Empire of the Vampire, one of my favourites reads of 2022, my first Kristoff book and can't wait for the sequel. I obviously didn't get the same vibes as you, and can't recall feeling that way when reading it, goes to show different stories and writing resonate differently with different people.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

certainly, there's a book for every reader and a reader for every book

@osoisko1933

Жыл бұрын

I liked EotV overall too, but I really enjoy seeing other readers rip apart for some reason. My guess is it ultimately has no thematic value other than returning vampires to supernatural monsters instead of bad boy love interests and psuedo scientific plague zombies.

Hi Liene, Way of Kings has a really cool final act but it's a very slow trudge. Also, the physical description in Way of Kings was so absent. Words of Radiance is significantly better. Way of Kings has a lot of stuff set up that doesn't get answered until even the fourth book.

Not everyone can like everything and that's ok! I used to be a HUGE Sanderson fan until I committed myself to reading his entire bibliography I realized that he is one of the most inoffensive mid authors out there today. Books with Brittany compared his books to vanilla ice cream because they can appeal to just about anyone, but it's rare they will ever do anything truly mind-blowing and I think that description sums it up perfectly. Still love stormlight, warbreaker, and the bands of mourning, but other than that no thank you

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

yeah, I think one of the reasons he is so popular is because his writing and his books are very accessible and that, in itself, is not a bad thing, it just so happens that while i'm easily digesting his work I'm also frustrated by what I regard as immense flaws, but one person's bug is another person's feature, to each their own

The Way of Kings was the book that finally made me realize that the cosmere franchise wasn't my jam. I don't hate it(the prologue and the climax were awesome), it's just that at the end of the day I don't think it did anything to justify it's ridiculous length. I've read books with half the page count that had just as good if not better character development, plot structure, prose and worldbuilding.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

yeah, they are unnecessarily long

I read mostly SciFi and Historical fiction but recieved L&L and Babel as presents. I found L&L totally relaxing and Babel interesting, neither were bad. I also got The Children of Gods and Fighting Men which was awful.

Omg you mentioned a book that I like. What gives? 😆 these are the videos I love. Like, our book opinions are pretty opposite, but I love your videos and personality. Happy reading, friend. Cheers.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

haha glad to hear it - the world would be dull indeed if we all had the same tastes and opinions

I don’t like Brandon’s writing style and I’m definitely not fit to be a proper reviewer because I can’t say why: it just feels super mechanical and cold and like “try-hard”. I’ve tried a couple of times but it’s just not for me:

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

lol I get what you mean, so that's something anyway

@alb0zfinest

6 ай бұрын

The YA-ification of High Fantasy 😆. Unfortunately many fantasy books have this problem now. Prose is absolutely horrendous.

I hard disagree with you on Sanderson, but I already knew that, and it doesn't bother me in the least. We all have different tastes and opinions, and I would personally have it no other way. I value your perspective, and I always check to see if you, Bookborn, or Merphy have reviewed a book once I have finished reading it just to see what your takes are.

The way of kings video was in fact how i got to your chanel. Loved the video, watched it 3 times before you took it down. Its pure gold

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

haha glad you enjoyed!

Okay, I am sad that I missed the rant video for TWOK, that is definitely overhyped. And yes the fandom keeps saying it’s the best thing and yet can’t give a cohesive summary. Does Allen approve your view of L&L? I remember him coming back after a break wondering what happened in his absence with that book. I have no interest in reading despite the hype. I am attempting Babel again, I had issues with characters and the way it was written. I’ve chalked it up to me not being the correct audience. I hardly see anyone talk about Dawn of Wonder. I need to pick this up. I did. like it but struggled with the audio.

I haven't read any of the books in this vlog, but do have them on my kindle. Everyone is so highly recommended. I thought you might not like the same books I do, but after watching your highly recommended books, they're all the books I love! 🤔

Timestamps would be appreciated

Glokta is one-hundred-percent my comfort character!

I’m halfway through Way of Kings right now, and I like it enough, but I’m definitely feeling some of these points. Mostly that it feels like there’s large swaths of text that don’t really contribute much of anything, and feel like they could’ve simply been cut out and we’d have a much better pace. I’m also just not getting that “masterpiece” feeling yet. I’m interested enough to keep going, but I feel like I’m waiting to see what everyone else sees. I wanna add, I actually found this channel through your Air Awakens review, which I heavily agreed with. THAT was an overhyped book for me, thanks to tiktok. That book is recommended to no end there and I didn’t like any of it

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

hope you enjoy Way of Kings more than I did if for no other reason that it's too long to read and not enjoy, and yeah, Air Awakens was so bad lol

I enjoy that you do these videos because even if I don’t agree I still find hearing differing opinions interesting. I seem to either agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts or completely disagree so I just am so curious to see where I fall on so many of these lol And weirdly now I am somewhat intrigued now to read those of this list that are on my TBR…

Trying to keep it spoiler free. Legends and Lattes lost me with the romance. I love a good fantasy friendship, can be one of my favorite things in a book, and I think L&L was doing the friendships great. But very few romances do I really ever care for the one in this book either.

I can’t wait for the trend of putting “cozy” in front of every genre to end. You are right about Babel. I don’t get the hype over RF Kuang in general. I hate that these are unpopular opinions or hot takes because you make so many good points.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

yeah, out with the cozy in with the grimdark lol

@jonnie7891

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary I just watched a video about Cozy Dark Fantasy…what is going on?? 😩

@jessicahaalstra6998

Жыл бұрын

I saw cozy horror 😂

Love differing opinions ❤🎉 - what happened to the vegan cooking creations ???

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I didn't have the bandwidth to keep up with it for the time being, but I'd like to do it again in the future

@Gillian.Ashcroft.66

Жыл бұрын

You're well worth watching, so if you do any, I will see them. 🤗

I agree, I mostly hated Way of Kings. Terrible pacing, boring characters, and basically nothing happened for 80% of the book.

What's with all the Sanderson hate on here? I like that Sanderson writes simple so that he can bridge the gap between YA and adult fantasy. His ability to write characters like they came from a Saturday morning cartoon and create magic systems that mimic video games are also great for getting kids to read. People shouldn't be so hard on him. We all have different reading levels and he is a great next step for those moving past Dr. Seuss to something a little more sophisticated.

@archlectoryarvi2873

Жыл бұрын

Sanderson is immensely popular in just about every major sff community on the internet. For sff readers who don't like his works or don't like him because of his religious affiliations, this can be grating as you can't go more than a week without encountering a video/article/post about how his books are the greatest thing since sliced bread. So every once in a while, they come to places like this and vent their frustrations which is understandable IMO. Personally I'm rather lukewarm on his works. Read a handful of them, enjoyed some of those and decided they weren't really my thing.

@NightOwlReader2790

Жыл бұрын

I dnfed Mistborn, and I don't have any interest in picking up his other books. I think his books are kind of boring.

@stonefree7973

Жыл бұрын

I love Mistborn. I don’t understand the Sanderson hate either 🙂

oh, I was bored and underwhelmed by Legends & Lattes and apparently it's not for me either. funny how Traitor's Blade wasn't my favorite either but I did read the whole series, and it was better than book one but still, I have no strong feelings about it. The rest of those (minus WoK, duh and Malice, this also got better, but I agree about characters, I didn't think they're great but I'm a sucker for a good vs evil when mood strikes) I knew I wouldn't like so I did not attempt.

@niebieskie2

Жыл бұрын

Also, just an afterthought and you made me giggle a little with your closing statement. I never really understood why people get so upset about someone else's poor opinion about their favorite book. When others point out flaws that they see and I don't it makes me examine the book differently and more objectively, doesn't make me angry. Am I the wierdo?

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

people get VERY upset lol which never ceases to amaze me

Lmao I didn't know you had such deep hatred for Stormlight. I was pretty mid on book 1, you make me scared to ever try book 2 of five warrior angels lolol. Thank god someone else hates Ice Planet Barbarians...it was so bad.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

Warrior Angels book 2 was so much worse lol

@RodgersReads

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary well that just got kicked way down the ol’ TBR so…thank you for your sacrifice 🤣🤣🤣

I don't have many anti-buzzwords when it comes to books but Cozy Fantasy is definitely one of them. I'm not against Cozy books, it's just not what I read Fantasy for. Comfort reads I get, but those don't necessarily have to be cozy.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

yeah, I truly don't get the appeal of "cozy" fantasy, plots tend to need at least a bit of conflict or problems in order to, you know, have a plot?

@nickywal

Жыл бұрын

I literally saw a video for cozy dark fantasy today, like what

I tried reading Sanderson's books and all i got out of his works are that i find dissertations on how the finer points of eating metal turns you into a second rate Xman boring as fuck. Overall i just don't care about magic systems that are complex just to be complex.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

lmao yeah, I would tend to agree

I am with you on malice .. I am reading it now and it's painful .. sometimes I listen to a chapter or 2 unconciously and when I fkcus again I don't feel I'm missing anything I just want to finish this book and get rid of it

Absolutley loved Malice and thought the characters and world really resonated I liked the more low key development and more mundane beginnings. Also loved traitors blade for the action and themes and red sister for its really intresting premise and I really liked the nuns journey. I agree completely about the forgetting moon and had similar thoughts it did feel very heavy handed and over the top. Somthing I like about your videos is that you come across as very sincere in your observations and criticisms though as can been seen above I often disagree its nice to see such an honest and down to earth channel.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

thanks so much, that's lovely to hear 🧡

I prefer worldbuilding that supports character/story, not just for the sake of worldbuilding itself.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

on rare occassions, world building is so impressive that I can appreciate it for its own sake, but that is indeed an exception

I haven't read most of these. Way of Kings was an interesting one for me. I feel like I am a little bit of a Sanderfan, but I struggled with certain aspects. It was my first true epic fantasy read so I wasn't sure if that was part of it for me, but if I wasn't already a big fan of Sanderson, I definitely would have DNFed it after the consecutive false starts. The audio was probably what made it work for me because I would just listen to it while walking or going to visit my parents on the weekends, so it became kind of a chill episodic drama that lasted two months. I hear you on the characters though, Kalladin frustrates me more than anything and I didn't know what to make of Shallan until Words of Radiance. World building didn't bother me, but it didn't majorly impress me either. Funnily enough, a lot of his fans tend to bash Elantris, but I think that might be my favorite thing that he's written.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I had high hopes for Elantris, the prologue was incredible, but I ended up dnfing it haha - I did really like Final Empire and Well of Ascension and I really liked Skyward, so I'm capable of enjoying a Sanderson now and again lol

@derekb.4292

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary Elantris was pretty bleak for a while, but did pick up. I haven't read Skyward yet, but I think I'll enjoy that one. Legion is one I quite enjoyed that I feel like no one talks about.

I just watched this video and first: Liene, you're so funny! This was highly entertaining! Second: I like good Fantasy and Sci-fi books, and when I say good I mean well-written, well-developed, well-crafted books. So naturally I've never read Sanderson because everything inside me is warning me that I won't like it. At the same time I also see all these people saying he's so great that I doubt myself... should I try it? But arrrgh, there are so many other books that look great that I also want to read, so should I really waste my time? That's my dilemma hahaha, anyway, Liene reassures the part of me that's saying "don't read it", but I guess that one day I will still do, so I can make my own opinion and maybe join Liene's ranks hahaha!

Loved Empire of the Vampire, don't understand the misogyny or homo phobia you got from it. Always interesting hearing what other people think or get out of books. I have second thoughts on reading Way of Kings now.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

well, if you're interested, Alex and I gave examples during our live chat 😉

With most Booktuber's I can predict whether or not I will agree with them with a fair amount of consistency. However, whenever I watch one of your videos I have noticed there is roughly a 50/50 chance whether I will be cheering along with what you're saying, or if I will be sitting in stunned silence that you could possibly be so wrong.... which truth be told is a good way to keep people coming back.

I bought all 3 Five Warrior Angels books for the book club & have only read the first one 😅 I plan on continuing but not any time soon because those books are long af & I’m nervous based on your & Aaron’s reviews 😂

I would love to have see Stormlight Archive reviews by you after Words of Radiance when Sanderson writing falls off a cliff. I one hundred percent believe Sanderson when he says researched the mental illness of his characters because they all puke out the DSM manual and Wikipedia. It's like watching the old Dragnet TV series when Jo Friday would monologue on the social ills of the world. Makes Durfee seem subtle and nuanced. It doesn't surprise me that so many of the people praising Gwynne as a great character writer are huge Sanderson fans. I would think that too coming off Stormlight.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

lmao yeah, sounds like I wouldn't have liked the next books any better - guess I'll just keep rereading First Law hehe

Sandersons world building have lot of details but little nuance. Something people now adays enjoy.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

that's a good way of putting it, definitely not my cup of tea

I am not a Sanderson fan in any way but the Way of Kings and that whole set is incredible… You can hate it if you want but you have no counterpoints and it makes you sound dumb tbh.

I like some Sanderson books, but I couldn't finish Way of Kings....

I agree that way of kings is not as good as people say. Totally agree so many dumb things happened in it, bad pacing, and I didn’t like the characters. People don’t talk about it’s flaws and it’s so weird.

I truly don’t understand the hype around Sanderson’s writing. I love the guy. Love his videos on other subjects and videogames. But I do not like his writing. Mistborn felt like it was written by a highschool student. I don’t know why people hype Vin to be one of the greatest fantasy protagonists ever. His magic systems are way too mechanical and gamey that it breaks my immersion. His worldbuilding is shallow at best. Character work… “she smiled”…”he frowned”…etc etc. I can’t.

I feel like I'm disappointing you when I say you didn't piss me off, but that's only cause I haven't read any of these. I think I will try Babel and I am not against reading Sanderson, but I have only read The final empire (which I did enjoy) but have yet to read anything else. Go figure.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I also enjoyed Final Empire...

Subscribed to see the Way of Kings video and it was everything I needed. I've literally never heard a scathing review for that book. I'm not for hate but it's absolutely mind blowing that with that much visibility nearly noone calls out the blatant flaws

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

well, anyone that dares to criticize it faces quite the onslaught of hate which is pretty daunting so it's not that surprising haha - glad you enjoyed!

What is "Cozy Fantasy?"

Of the books I've read on your list, The Forgetting Moon, I thought was OK, didn't really push on as I'd hoped. Haven't read book 2 yet, but I will soon(ish) Malice 😮 I thought it was good and the rest of the series was amazing. But each to their own. For me over hyped books/Series... Misborn - DNFd book 2 - was so bored. Red Rising - making my way through book 3 now. Book 1 started OK; fell off a cliff. Was awful. Book 2 I enjoyed much more, but apparently it's not supposed to be as hilarious as I found it. Book 3 OK so far.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

well I love Red Rising but, as you say, to each their own

@beardfromtadcymru9714

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary indeed, but at least we can both agree on First Law 😀

Great video! 👏🏾👏🏾either it was a book I hadn’t read yet or I DNF and unhauled too. I feel seen 🤣🤣💜

I don't like Brandon Sanderson's magic systems, there too weird. I always need to suspend my disbelief in order to enjoy the books. Also he's too happy, he's kind of the opposite of grim dark, good things will always happen to good people in a way that's too perfect and it losses suspense. Other than that I like his books.

I will never get the hype with Brandon Sanderson. I’ve tried nearly every book he has written and I didn’t enjoy any of them. The world building feels very simplistic, the writing feels basic and the way he writes women and religion just bores me. Legends and Lattes was so boring and I’m really not into cozy fantasy. To me cozy books just seems to mean boring. Nothing happened in the book and I started to skim.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

what I want to know is why you read so many Sanderson books if you weren't enjoying them haha

@Chelsea2023K

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary I don’t really know why either. I think I wanted to prove I could like his books because so many people love him and I was seeing him everywhere. I read the first two skyward books and they weren’t for me, then I read the first Mistborn trilogy and didn’t like it. Then two months later I tried Warbreaker and Elantris after seeing people talk about them. I didn’t like them either. Then in December I DNF’d The Way of Kings. So I guess I never learn because I knew he wasn’t for me but I just wanted to like him so I kept reading them. I’ve even read the books he wrote for Wheel of Time and didn’t like them either.

Every book you listed was an absolute favorite of mine and I am so terribly insul- yeah, I can't even finish that sentence in jest. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good for everyone. Personally, I have never liked Harry Potter as a series, even before the controversies surrounding it. However, anytime I mention I don't care for the books, people either look at me in utter disbelief or nod as if I'm making some grand moral stand. No, I just don't like the dang books.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

yeah, popularity is rarely a good indicator of quality, unfortunately

Well, as long as we're pissing people off: For me, that book is The Fifth Season. I wouldn't call it BAD, per se...but it's not good. Ineffective at immersion for characters' perspective, faulty use of narrative tense, a bungled climax, limited scope of worldbuilding. Not for me.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

uh oh, better not watch part 2 aka books that I think DO deserve the hype...

@_Sasha_Sasha

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary Oh, I'm a glutton for punishment. Bring it on.

not me being disappointed "lessons in chemistry" isn't here only because i hated it so much and still can't believe it's like the ~feminist~ book of 2022 lol 😂

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I almost put it on the list, but I mainly wanted to focus on fantasy haha

Just finished The Way of Kings and thought it was amazing. With what you said about it, did we even read the same book? 💀

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

reasonable minds can differ 🧡

@finnmyers7137

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary fair enough ig 🤷‍♂️

Have you ever heard of the series The Runelords by David Farland?

I liked way of kings somewhat but it is definitely overhyped, I actually prefer way of kings to words of radiance so you were probably right to stop if you really disliked way of kings lol.

The most perfect story I've ever seen was Attack on Titan. Amazing in every regard.

I don't really understand the criticism of From Blood and Ash. I'm not really a fan of that book (I tried reading it a year ago and only got halfway through lol) but why does it matter if it feels like an urban fantasy but it's not? It's not like someone sounding old timey in a modern set book because it's fantasy, it's not real or realistic to begin with

I agree with you most of these books are overhyped. Mistborn just had a cult following prior to Sanderson's involvement with WoT. I wonder where he would be in the fantasy pecking order if he didn't get handed the keys by Tor to the most popular adult fantasy series since The Lord of the Rings

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

certainly WoT benefited his career, but I'm sure he'd have a pretty substantial following today even without that

I guess I'm also on the dark side because I cannot stand Stormlight Archive. The world building makes no sense, it's just dumb. So dumb. Sanderson doesn't understand how humans work socially or historically. The characters do nothing for me. His romantic relationship are honeslty so cringe, they come from no development, they just are. And his prose is very straight to the point and has no depth. (And of course, it could have been much shorter.) And let me tell you, I am in stem and I got NOTHING related to physics out of this book. If anything, Sanderson's works are very religious imo. I did like Mistborn, though now that I look back I didn't really love the third book. I don't know what it is that people fall head over heels over with his books. Some are good. I will probably read Skyward and Warbreaker but that's all. It feels almost heretical to talk bad about Sanderson books haha

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed the first two mistborn books, but I felt the religious tone of the conclusion was really heavy handed and totally put me off. I read Warbreaker last year and I'm honestly shocked that people are okay with that book because the twist is, errrrrr, not okay imo

@nitzeart

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary Yes you're so right. At first I didn't catch it but after a while it began to bother me so much the way the themes are handled in Mistborn. (I also have an issue with how he wrote the main romantic pairing in that series.) I'm ok with the worldbuilding in this series. I stopped reading after book 5 though. But the one in Stormlight... is just sooo bad! Oh noo Warbreaker was one of the few Sanderson books I still had interest in. But it's not priority.

@adamnesico

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary wich is the problem with a religious tone in the conclusion?

@adamnesico

Жыл бұрын

Sanderson doesn’t understand how humans work socially or historically?

I’d rather watch a snail race than read legends and lattes again

Liene coming out swinging 😂 TBF I loved Way of Kings, Warbreaker and Words of Radiance, but I DNF'd Oathbringer. Couldn't get into Mistborn either. Not knocking anyone loving Sanderson, but imo he is a bit overhyped. Hit or miss for me.

I thought I was quite alone in not liking Way of Kings. I DNF'd it 50% in. Have no interest in giving it another try. And I am in complete agreement with you on 5 Warrior Angels. I DNF'd book 2 at 30% and just YIKES. I've been looking forward to Empire of the Vampire, but now you made me nervous about reading it. I thought Malice was pretty good, it went fast (but I didn't think anyone would be into it for the characters), but OMG, I had a hard time reading Valour and haven't picked up Ruin since. Red Sister is on my TBR for later in the year, will be interesting to see how I like it. This was a fun video full of really hot takes. I agree with you on more books than I disagree on, so there is that... ;)

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

a lot of people like Empire so you may too!

Finally, another person that hasn't swallowed the Durfee hype. Not only are the characters and story boring, the books feel like they're made by and for repressed dudebros with twisted fantasies of needless cruelty and violence. Really makes me wonder about the author and people that endlessly praise this crap. I've watched a few videos on his youtube channel they're just advertisements for his books followed by aggressive ramblings that never seems to get to a coherent point for whatever the topic may be.

Sanderson's stuff isnt very good. I have tried about 5 of his books. I have given up. There are other authors I DNF'd but can see objectively there are great qualities there i.e Abercrombie. Sanderson though will always baffle me.

I don't like Mistborn, The Sword of Kaigen, The Poppy War or Jade City. I LOVE Red Sister, though, and the rest of that trilogy. I'll be reading Malice soon and I got Legends and Lattes for cheap. Hope I like them.

I don't even like cinnamons rolls. You can shout at me now...

I agree with you about about Way of the Kings, I struggled to maintain interest in that book and ultimately abandoned it.

I have the same opinion about babel. It hurt becoz it was 500 plus pages. And i gave up at 260 sth pages. I was literally exhausted.

I wanted to see what all the Sanderson noise was about, but I wasn't going to start with the first volume of a 10-volume series penned by a man who subscribes to some very silly beliefs, so I instead read 'Elantris.' That time I got hit in the belly by a line drive was a more pleasurable experience.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I dnfed Elantris lol

Not gonna lie, I grabbed some popcorn before starting this video, hahah. Loved hearing all of your 'hot takes'... though are they really that hot? I totally agree with you on the majority of these 🤪 I've been talked into giving Traitor's Blade a second chance and I am curious to see how much I am going to regret that, lol. And I had such high hopes for Forgetting Moon, but seeing you and Aaron be so disappointed in those books has really put me off, because I really trust your guys' tastes, haha. I was personally incredibly disappointed in Guards! Guards!, The Shadow of the Wind, Dune, The Midnight Library, Blood Song, The Rage of Dragons and (sorry not sorry) The Secret History, to name a few 🤣 Loved this video 🤩

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I was also disappointed with Guards and Rage of Dragons 🙃

I can't believe I'm only just finding out now about your rant review of The Way of Kings??... Liene just keeps going up and up in my estimation. The best analogy I've heard to Sanderson fans becoming infuriated that others don't consider him a God amongst writers is that it's like someone showing up to a wine sommelier with a bottle of Welch's Grape Juice and being shocked that nobody's taking them seriously.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

bahahaha I need that to be a sketch now

I love your opinions and rants even if I don't always agree with you.😊

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

🧡

Omg, I have yet to see another booktuber having read Dawn of Wonder. I LOVED that book and it deserves so much more recognition

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

it's so good!

@Alihassan9193

Жыл бұрын

It helped me become a fantasy books fan. It has its flaws, but I loved it.

I didn't even find Legends and Lattes cozy...thanks for confirming I'm not crazy for being bored to tears

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

lol my pleasure

@seniorpumpkinhead1

Жыл бұрын

Nah you just confirmed you're BOTH crazy 🤣 (joking)

@peterc.hayward8067

10 ай бұрын

Hahaha yeah the total lack of tension, conflict, or obstacles was absolutely stunning to me. She literally has a magic rock that just gets her what she wants. A rare DNF for me.

I love WoT and kept seeing shadow of what was lost recommended as similar. I finally gave it a shot and WOW it was really awful, absolutely nothing like WoT. Horrible clumsy dialogue, horrible clumsy prose, and uninteresting POV characters. Jordan clears that bar by miles

Regarding Stormlight, by the time I go into book 4, I was tired of Kaladin being a depressed mess all day. He overcame his depression at an amazing breaking point in book 1, and should not have still been dealing with it in book 4.

I am surprised Dreams of the Dying didn't make the list. It is self-published but did get some hype on KZread. Perhaps not as much as the others on the list.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I thought about it, but it didn't feel to me like it was that hyped outside of a brief period of time on handful of channels

i loved Way of Kings the characters and settings were great the story just dragged me along, i didnt want to put it down but Mistborn was dire, not sure why people love it, the characters were naff & the plot was lacking. just goes to show Sanderson is a varied author & not everything he does is for everyone. (bizarely i have a physics background so maybe thats why)

People like Way of Kings for the physics?! I read some of it, thought the writing was boring and uninteresting, then promptly stopped. I may try again because I do have a physics degree and love me some physics.

I found a lot of these horrible too. Not sure how you finished them. Edit: I hate to say this because I know what it takes to write a book. It is a lot of work.

I mean, you're free to be wrong. 😂 Or conversely, I'm wrong. If so, I'm fine with that too. I never saw your Way of Kings review, but from what you've said I pretty much disagree with you on all points. Sanderson isn't an amazing author and isn't perfect, but he is really good at the things I love to see in fiction, so he's typically a good fit for me. On the otherhand Abercrombie is really good at doing things I don't tend to enjoy, so he doesn't fit for me (from what I've read). As for Legends and Lattes (the only other one I've read in this list), I can see how you'd not like it. I thought it was fun. Not genre changing, but it was a fun read. Not the kind of thing I would want to read all the time though.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

i'll carry on rereading First Law and you'll carry on rereading Sanderson and everyone will be happy with what suits them best 🧡

@tgibridays

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary sounds like a plan. Happy reading!

I loved some of the books you didn’t like but I also understand how you felt on others. I’ve bought hyped books in the past and hated them so now I only buy a hyped book if I think I’ll actually like it. Each to their own, some you like some you don’t and that’s as it should be😀I think as long as you’re being respectful about the books you don’t like, nobody has the right to yell at you for being honest with your opinions 🤔😀

Glad to hear there is somebody else out there who doesn't love Malice. I didn't like it either - I got thru book 2, before I dnf'ed. Its good to see some other way over hyped books get dropped down a few pegs.

I'm not mad you didn't like Malice. I'm just disappointed. 😂 I didn't really love Malice, either. It didn't pull me in. But by the second book I was more invested. And by the end of the series I definitely had all the feelings. Great video, as always.

Yep, for you, Malazan Book of the Fallen.

Lol. I am actually new and genuinely did not know about the Sando thing hahahaha. Thats funny. Liene is still the best chuck out the rest, and WoK is one of the best books ever written and both of these things are still true in my pitiful tiny mind :-)

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

reasonable minds can differ 🧡

@aldan7812

Жыл бұрын

@Liene's Library damn straight they can :)

this is very timely...b/c i have to go to the bookstore today, and i feel like if you don't like it then that's a pretty good sign for me

I've only read parts of two of these. You're still right about Way of Kings. It isn't about anything. It takes place in a particular world, the characters have problems, but there is no story. Red Sister got really standard really fast.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

it does indeed take place in a particular world, that is made very clear lol

Sanderson's books are very similar to "superhero comic books/movies". Since I got tired of superhero movies, I got tired of Sanderson's books pretty quick.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I definitely feel they the marvel comparison, especially with the big crossover universe thing

@thomasc9036

Жыл бұрын

@@LienesLibrary I know that many modern readers enjoy action-by-action descriptions. It's only interesting one or two times for me. His books are like manga without pictures. About halfway through, I can't help thinking "I should just read mangas"...if I was still into them.

@jayaprakash387

Жыл бұрын

​@@thomasc9036Comparing it to manga is not fair. Yes the shounen manga are similar but there are authors like naoki urasawa in the medium that are as good as the best literary writers.

@thomasc9036

Жыл бұрын

@@jayaprakash387 You can always find exceptions. I can say "Men are stronger than women". You can always find a few women who are stronger than average men. That does not make my statement "not fair".

@jayaprakash387

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasc9036 Yes that's why I disagreed with you saying the medium of manga as a whole.

Hahaha I actually agree with most of these 😂 I couldn't finish Empire of the Vampire. After hearing all the great reviews I was disappointed. Malice was bad. Everyone said it only gets better, I got threw half of book 2... That was rough. No thanks. Stormlight archive was so painful to read. I can't stand all the self-doubt whining bs. So boring. I enjoyed book 2 Words of Radiance, but books 1, 3 & 4 were rough.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

glad I'm not alone haha

Well, if nothing else, you're proof that I can disagree with a good portion of someone's viewpoints and still appreciate their content!

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

haha cheers!

I feel like 90% of the time we share similar feelings/tastes for books but there's always an outlier here and there 😅 for this video it would be EOTV and The Way of Kings. Which the latter is funny because I liked it best and the rest of the Stormlight series keeps going downhill for me. 🤔🤷‍♀️

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

well, if WoK was the best one, I'm very glad I stopped there lol

The Way of Kings is not good (imo). A bloated, boring & overhyped book. I did manage to finish it & have no interest in continuing the series.

Way of Kings- I haven't read it but I've read several of Sanderson's other books and thought they were ok but people still always say I'll love Way of Kings. I find that highly doubtful. Forgetting Moon- DNF Traitor's Blade- I quite enjoyed the premise and the brotherhood, fun action, but there was some definite cringe and the later books have some of the worst deus ex machina I've ever encountered. Empire of the Vampire- DNF Shadow of What Was Lost- fine. boring interchangeable characters. I forget everything. Malice- The rest of the books makes it one of my favourite series of all time. Maquin is the GOAT. Red Sister- meh.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

glad I'm not alone in all of these unpopular opinions haha

"I kind of understand.... I KIND OF understand? I KIIIIIND OF understand? I don't understand..." Lollll. Now that's an honest attempt!

The Way of Kings is terrible 😵‍💫👎

Legends and Lattes was sooooooo booorrrrring. Like to the point where I couldn’t cozy up and read I was so bored.

Kinda want you to read the rest of the stormlight archive just so i could hear you rant about them. The Way of Kings video is how I found this channel. I loved TWOK actually but the rest of the Stormlight Archive is just so disappointing for me.

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

I'd consider it if they weren't such doorstoppers lol

You are absolutely a reader/BookTuber after my own heart!! 1) The First Law is my favourite fantasy of all time (I posted a 60-minute long review gushing about it!). 2) The only Sanderson I've read is the original Mistborn trilogy and I was sufficiently unimpressed to not read another Sanderson since. 3) I had a lot of problems with the Licanius trilogy, to the point where I made a 50-minute long review critiquing it. 4) I had just as many problems with The Faithful and the Fallen, and ended up posting an absurdly long 100-minute long review/critique!

@LienesLibrary

Жыл бұрын

we'll bravely shout our truths into the storm!

Wow, I've read 8 of those and was disappointed by all 8 of them (with Empire of the Vampire having lots of redeeming qualities). You and I share the same taste!

@alexvaldiers9788

11 ай бұрын

Actually, I've read all of them or at least tried to. Red Sister had a great beginning and amazing ending but the middle part was a slog. I dnf'ed Babel and Forgetting Moon.

I feel Sanderson's world-building is basically a copy and paste of the Civilization games. He himself admitted to be addicted to those games and it clearly shows in this books: the trade routes, the religion VS science VS culture, the smaller civilizations to push around, etc.