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@bobwferguson

18 күн бұрын

Cozy

NASA needs to rethink its cosy relationship with Boeing and stop throwing away taxpayer money.

@AndreCarneiro666

18 күн бұрын

In Brazil we have an expression for this situation whose translation is something like “stuck tail”. NASA and Boeing are linked by decades of partnership and only God knows what that really means.

@verypleasantguy

18 күн бұрын

Boeing has been costing lives lately Several of the whistle-blowers turned up, not breathing anymore Now, the two so-called 'astronauts', I think I might to buy flowers for them too

@user-ql6qc9ug2j

18 күн бұрын

Why would they do that. They're too busy giving each other a reach around

@professorg8383

18 күн бұрын

I adjusted your quote. "NASA needs to rethink its co(z)y relationship with (SpaceX) and stop throwing away taxpayer money." Former NASA Administrator, Kathy Lueders, who issue SpaceX contracts and recently approved payments, just before retiring and then Joining SpaceX to be the general manager of Starbase!! Talk about a cozy relationship!! Starship is so far behind it will likely ruin the Artemis Program!! Ab bad as Starship is performing, the Artemis contract for the HLS should be cancelled and the lead contractor switched to BO!

@professorg8383

18 күн бұрын

@@verypleasantguy Boeing is not a single company and what is happening with their commercial airliner business has nothing to do with Starliner.

If NASA thought Starliner was safe to return, it would have already.

@dillonbledsoe7680

18 күн бұрын

Think they are still preforming tests on ut before they won't be able to after separation

@RobertLutece909

18 күн бұрын

They do think it's safe to return. But you can't actually _prove_ anything is safe, and nobody wants to be on the hook for making that call. As much as anything the tests they're doing are going to spread the blame around if the return goes badly.

@notgreg123

18 күн бұрын

Hate over basic reasoning, that's the internet for ya

@KyleCowden

18 күн бұрын

I'll bet a donut that Dragon goes and gets them and Starliner comes home unmanned. Hell, Dreamchaser will be ready to go before Boeing gets their stuff together.

@louzazolsboatsstuff3604

18 күн бұрын

What is this decision? A pride thing? If anything happens to these astronauts, someone high up in that organization needs to go to jail.

If I was an astronaut, I would NEVER enter that thing again!

@shockcat5988

18 күн бұрын

It needs to do what a Japanese company did even though the CEO had to flee Japan.

@dougaldouglas8842

18 күн бұрын

The entire thing is done for, as no company will want to risk using this company. Someone should have asked for SpaceX to do the rescue, but that would lose face, rather risks the lives of others than do that

@AuralioCabal-nl8gi

18 күн бұрын

They shouldn't have gone in there in the first place. Now they have to make sure the door stay shut on the way back.

@mikecronan550

17 күн бұрын

Yeah. Call SpaceX for a ride home.

Boeing trying to save face. Starliner is done.

@incubus_the_man

18 күн бұрын

The reason they didn't return earlier is because the engineers wouldn't have been able to figure out what happened to the faulty thrusters. The service module carrying the thrusters burns up on re-entry. So, the engineers needed to figure out what happened before the crew returned. I think Starliner can still work and be safe. I just don't know if Boeing will be around to operate it.

@bill5982

18 күн бұрын

Not they're not. NASA will continue to throw good money after bad.

@maxwellcrazycat9204

18 күн бұрын

Niedermaier? Wasn't he in Animal House?

@jhendricks203

18 күн бұрын

Our schools award degrees to engineering students that cannot fix a bicycle.

@verypleasantguy

18 күн бұрын

Boeing tries to destroy evidences !

Boeing had, literally YEARS to test those thrusters and other mission critical systems before it left the ground. They need to get that wart off the space station, and drop it into the ocean, so SpaceX can go bring our people back.😐

@francisdhomer5910

17 күн бұрын

While watching I had the same thought when they said they wanted to understand the thrusters. Shouldn't that have been done during the development phase? Some people talk about how much the Apollo program cost yet do you know how much time was put into testing and verifying each component? And yet we still has Apollo One's fire. The problem boils down to a simple problem that has been pointed out.Once by another spacecraft designer who shall remain nameless. Upper management are not real engineers. they are bean counters. The other problems is they don't have the best people anymore. They must meet certain checkboxes. Myself I don't care if you are white, black purple male xon. As long as you know your stuff come work for us. That other company has done that. I heard when Musk decided to build a spacecraft he learned all he could on engineering. That is the way it should be. I'm a medic but I don't think you would want me to design your thrusters.

The Boeing CEO needs to be in it. He should face the world from the product he wanted us to use.

@dennissimo7546

18 күн бұрын

I wonder what airplane Boeing uses as a corporate plane

@francisdhomer5910

17 күн бұрын

Not a bad idea. There is an extra seat they can sit in. Or we could tie them to the outside of the capsule

If I wanted NASA's PR department, I would just watch nasa. 😂

@stuartcudlip223

18 күн бұрын

Agreed

"We want to understand the thrusters and how we use them", I would have thought after 60 years using thrusters, they would know by now. NASA should slap them hard and make any future Boeing projects be done on their own dime. Aircraft are required to deep-cycle their batteries every thirty days to prevent developing a memory which prevents usage of the full battery charge, if you continually use only the top 10 percent, eventually, that will be all that is available to be used. Telling the astronauts "we think most of the systems might work OK" does not give a strong sense of confidence.

@thomasboese3793

18 күн бұрын

When you are number 1 in your mind, you tend to skip all of the testing others would do upfront. Part of the problem Boeing loves to save cash by outsourcing stuff and never checking if the work was done right or not. Why would you use flammable tape to wrap wire harnesses? Are there any intelligent minds in the Pacific Northwest working for Boeing?

@kirkkohnen5050

18 күн бұрын

Also, in the year 2000, Boeing bought Hughes Space and Communications, the world's largest builder of satellites. Didn't this give Boeing the best information available on thrusters, seeing as thrusters are needed for orbiting and maintaining satellites?

@dougaldouglas8842

18 күн бұрын

I think that N A S A will have done with Boing, after this, as not to be associated with the criminal actions of this company. N A S A has a reputation and name to saefguard

Those astronauts should refuse to return on Starliner. Demand a crew Dragon on autopilot to pick them up. Make starliner return uncrewed.

@eliovianna8055

9 күн бұрын

Call an UBER

SpaceX could have sent a Dragon up there 10 times since this whole Starliner debacle started

@thomasboese3793

18 күн бұрын

If there was a 'spare' Dragon to send. @notgreg123 2 hours ago Slight problem: none of them are ready for flight and/or already have their own missions planned Endeavor: currently docked, not enough seats Resilience: docking equipment removed for Polaris Dawn Endurance: planned for crew swap, this is probably the best option by adding extra seats, but then they'd stay in space for another 6 months Freedom: Axiom mission, not quite ready for flight yet but could bring them home sooner because of the shorter mission

@chrisehmke1651

18 күн бұрын

When is the next scheduled Dragon return flight? It has capacity for 6, only 4 are used regularly.

@dougaldouglas8842

18 күн бұрын

It could have at least sent one up, removed the schedule to bring it onto the pad, as currently housed and simply check systems and fuel up, it is doing nothing but standing in a very large shed

Anything happens to those astronauts, Boeing is finished.

@lightbringer2938

18 күн бұрын

Boeing is a vehicle to launder public money into the hands of contractors who are big money donors to both major political parties. It has suppliers in every congressional district. Boeing is a major defense contractor. If Boeing dies, it will be reorganized with another name and with the same lizard faces and contracts. Disgusting.

@verypleasantguy

18 күн бұрын

Rest assured, Boeing is too big to fail !

@PAHighlander24

18 күн бұрын

So is NASA if anyone dies.

@benjaminbatema6963

17 күн бұрын

Nothing is too big to fail. ​@@verypleasantguy

So your telling me that out of all that kit they got up there, no one thought about taking a friggin solar battery charger...

@notgreg123

18 күн бұрын

Pretty sure there are solar panels on the bottom of the service module. Idk what's happening with the batteries

Unlike Dragon capsule, Starliner does not have solar panels to supply and recharge its battery. And, this is a product of the smartest people in Boeing.

@benjaminfranklinkivettiv9433

18 күн бұрын

Scarey 😢

@thomasboese3793

18 күн бұрын

China did a far better job making a copy/improving the craft they bought from Russia. All Boeing did was build a bigger Apollo capsule right down to the 1960s layout with zero updates.

@notapplicable2636

18 күн бұрын

I thought they did, hiding on the "trunk" or equivalent on the bottom of the capsule...

@calebfuller4713

18 күн бұрын

You mean the most diverse and inclusive people at Boeing?

@Metalle

18 күн бұрын

Dragon is a flimsy unreliable and barely tested capsule 😂

Boeing still thinks we are in the 90s... 💀

@hoffbd1

18 күн бұрын

70's

Watching nearly 60 years of space flight, I don't think I ever heard of any space craft having thruster issues other than ones that ran out of fuel. Yet, this is the third time for Starliner to have thruster issues.

@WRC-FAN

18 күн бұрын

Gemini 8

Boeing: Testing to find out how the thrusters work?! Really? I would think that would have been done long before you put people on that thing.

Putting the safety of the crew in jeopardy just because of pride!🙄

@dougaldouglas8842

18 күн бұрын

And if the two get back in one piece, that will be that as no others will risk their lives

Bet NASA wished they went with the Dream chaser human rated vehicle over Boeings Starliner

@notgreg123

18 күн бұрын

To be fair, it hasn't made even a single test flight. It would be even longer if they had gone with that. As silly as it seems now, Starliner was the obvious choice back then, along with Dragon

@thomasboese3793

18 күн бұрын

@@notgreg123 No obvious choices. All three were firsts for each of the companies. Boeing's past 'spacecraft' were all built via merger partners. Boeing got lots of money, SpaceX got less than half Boeing did, and the Dream Chaser team was left out in the cold of the night alone. Remember, at the time nobody thought SpaceX could build a capsule, and believed that giving 'them' any money was a waste of time and effort.

Here's a thought ... keep using Starliner to ferry supplies to & from ISS until absolutely no more issues (if that ever happens). Starliner is not yet reliable nor human related!

The drive to get back to space must be insanely powerful to go up in anything Boeing after the last few years of their failures and cover ups. You couldn't get me one of their planes, let alone a rocket made by them.

Starliner's future mission should be as an artificial reef somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

NASA safely returned the crew of Apollo 13 to Earth 142 hours after launch. They aren't as smart as they used to be.

@dougaldouglas8842

18 күн бұрын

More correctly the astronauts did the job for them

Nice try. The astronauts are stuck because the capsule is a hot pile of garbage.

So... Should we buy flowers? The astronauts are 100% dead if they ride that coffin.

@maxwellcrazycat9204

18 күн бұрын

A crematory.

@themindsojourner

18 күн бұрын

No coffin needed. It's a flying crematory.

@verypleasantguy

18 күн бұрын

@@themindsojourner The super perfect way to destroy all evidences !

@test-jb6wc

18 күн бұрын

if thrusters fail, they'll bounce off earth's atmosphere and fly off to the abyss. Can you imagine the scandal "how do we get them back, they're flying to the moon's gravity?" Response : "we don't have the technology to get them back".

@professorg8383

18 күн бұрын

And your opinion means something because of what type engineering degrees do you have??

I don’t see Starliner going back to space anytime soon. This could be the final nail in the coffin for Boeing.

@MrGchiasson

18 күн бұрын

Star liner won't get above 10 feet off the ground...resting on a truck flat-bed.

@dougaldouglas8842

18 күн бұрын

It is finished with, that is for sure, even with its flight unworthiness, how the hell it got a licence for that is anyone's business, back hands, no astronaut will want to risk their lives with the thing

Pretty sure they did not bring up enough rations for this extended stay. They must be eating into the ISS crew's rations.

@georgesroux520

17 күн бұрын

+1

With Boeing history, you have to be one dumb astronaut.

@percyastronautstatus.8780

15 күн бұрын

I was thinking the same thing …I guess there is some Monetary incentive for them to have boarded ANYTHING Boeing .

Problems were there before the launch which led to delays. Nevertheless, someone made the decision to send it up with the astronauts without ensuring all the problems were resolved. Someone's head needs to roll for that.

@PChan-yt4uf

18 күн бұрын

Not in democracies. They just resign, feign remorse and then take a vacation somewhere exotic. Zero accountability.

In Australia the quip "I aint going if it's not Boeing" is now "If its Boeing I'm not going" has taken over. What a shame that a once great company has lost its shine.

Let's hope Boeings pride doesn't get in the way of safety and the StarLemon doesn't become a Starcophagus. (ʘ_ʘ)

Ground tests can’t be carried out on Starliner until it actually returns.

@williamging3294

18 күн бұрын

Oops! Somebody@ "R&D"on the ground should have included this in their contingency plan. [How does that saying go: Better to be on the safety of the ground, than to be out in space wishing you were back on the earth]

It's been a long time since NASA cremated astronauts.

"It should be okay to return..." just wow.

@maxwellcrazycat9204

18 күн бұрын

And those carnival rides should be Okay to be on.

I hate to agree, Soyuz may be an old tin can but it works safely most of the time.

When you now know that money is more important than your life! Wish those people the best of luck returning to earth, looks like they are really going to need it.

Shouldn't they have fully understood the RCS thrusters before flight? They have had years to do this work.

Another act of shame coming from Boeing. At this point, I hope the astronauts back alive and healthy despite the irresponsibility from Boeing.

@morien5062

18 күн бұрын

BOEING's ego is going to get folks killed

@dougaldouglas8842

18 күн бұрын

That is the last time Boing is going up there, even if the two come back alive, as who the hell, after this, is going to risk their lives with this company?

Soyuz works better than Starliner , and its old .

@PERNTNOTFOUND

18 күн бұрын

i mean old doesn't always means it is gonne be bad... especially for most things

@kosminuskosminus6668

18 күн бұрын

Its how wierd and simple this statement is and its true ... boeing trully f..ked up this one

@PERNTNOTFOUND

18 күн бұрын

and also just to say is that the souyz* is technically new. Just new variants

@incubus_the_man

18 күн бұрын

That's an over simplification. This is Starliner's first managed mission. You should research Soyuz's first mission, Soyuz 1... It ended in tragedy.

@paulbarnett227

18 күн бұрын

It's a reliable workhorse that has had decades of incremental improvements.

It's kind of a non prediction to say that those guys will come back to Earth on Dragon.

@notgreg123

18 күн бұрын

Slight problem: none of them are ready for flight and/or already have their own missions planned Endeavor: currently docked, not enough seats Resilience: docking equipment removed for Polaris Dawn Endurance: planned for crew swap, this is probably the best option by adding extra seats, but then they'd stay in space for another 6 months Freedom: Axiom mission, not quite ready for flight yet but could bring them home sooner because of the shorter mission

They'd rather risk lives than ask for help.

What is the point of highlighting Starliner shortcoming and inadequacy? NASA should have make sure all the problems the Starliner is facing has been resolved and certify as safe before sending astronauts to space. Let us hope and pray for the best outcome in the worst situation affixing Starliner problem. Let us hope that NASA and Boeing is able to ensure the safe return of the astronauts from space. We do not need to prolong the agony any longer. The clock is ticking! It is time for evacuation. It is time to bring in SpaceX.

A thruster firing at the wrong time or not firing at the right time could cause the craft to burn up re-entering the atmosphere. it never should have launched. I don't think they can guarantee that wont happen. Thus it sits there.

@MrGchiasson

18 күн бұрын

They should have grabbed an Apollo capsule from a museum and launched it instead!

Isn’t the entire purpose of flight test to test and evaluate vehicles? Better to go slow and avoid risking lives.

IMO, this is highly politicized face-saving report Boeing quality has steadily declined since the company purchased McDonnell Douglas.

@thomasboese3793

18 күн бұрын

It's funny how 'that' merger went down. They kept the wonderful Boeing name and installed the failed McDonnell Douglas management to run it. MAD magazine's Alfred E. Neuman has it right: "What, me worry?"

The starliner isn’t moving as per NASA yesterday

If those two astronauts come back in that pile of junk we should all be holding thumbs, crossing fingers and Praying for them,

Director Chloe,"Starliner is healthy." ......Then bring it back.

NASA is desperate to save Boeing's face. Let's just hope everything works just fine for the astronauts.

Starliner is beyond fixing. It has already cost way too much and is unsafe and unreliable. Push Dream Chaser into service to fill the gap until other vehicles become available.

@notgreg123

18 күн бұрын

They'd have to crew rate it and that's a whole other process and at that point it might not even be worth it cause the ISS only has like 5 and a half years left. Sierra has already stated that they're going to continue developing a crew Dream Chaser regardless so it'll still come around eventually

They are aware that they are intending to fly two actual human beings through a re-entry in a KNOWN highly defective spacecraft, from the safety of a space station, with SpaceX willing to come get them in a Dragon, right? I wouldn't fly a roach in the StarLemon the way it is right now.

@victors1689

17 күн бұрын

StarLemon LOL

How can they not already understand the thrusters? They launched a crew without understanding a critical system?

I still and also would be worried about the parachute problems they were having as well.

@thomasboese3793

18 күн бұрын

And that wonderful flammable tape on the wiring harnesses that 'was' replaced.

It's great that they want to learn all they can about the thrusters, but shouldn't they have done that BEFORE they launched?

What we need to remember is space x are on a given cost program, but Boeing are on a cost +. With the very tenet of space x to provide funds to go to mars and Boeing to be a successful corporation that delivers returns. It dosent take Albert Einstein to see where the differences are☺️

@thomasboese3793

18 күн бұрын

No, same fixed-cost program. Boeing just couldn't control its costs and is deep in the red with overruns. Boeing's problems started with the last merger.

If they don't get things sorted soon, Starliner will not be able to fulfill its 6 trip contract before the ISS gets decommissioned

NASA shouldn't be trying to bring astronauts home in that thing - it had problems before it was even launched so the astronauts should never have been sent up in that overdue, overpriced, useless thing in the first place!

Is the offline thruster the one with the helium leak?

@RobertLutece909

18 күн бұрын

There's more than one helium leak. But the helium isn't the problem - they have ten times the amount of helium they need to deorbit. The issue is the thrusters. In theory they could undock from the ISS and then have no way to deorbit if enough thrusters failed.

Ground control to Major Tom.😳

It looks to me like they have a new addition to the space station to me.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@thomasboese3793

18 күн бұрын

One poorly designed Space B&B. The rent is way too high and that piece of interesting artwork has to go.

Imagine the Boeing of today being like it is during WWII? We would all be speaking German 😮

A highlight is that the batteries are good enough to double the mission duration. Wasn't the original mission a few days?

@larryo6874

17 күн бұрын

Yes

NASA safely returned the crew of Apollo 13to Earth 142 hours after launch. Too bad they've lost quite a few brain cells.

Seems to me Elon Musk way (built a lot of test vehicles FAST and cheaply and learn from failures) is a lot better than NASA/Boeing old ways of over-engineer an expensive model and make ready to fly with minimum live testing to "save money" and reputation.

@SpideyVids

18 күн бұрын

Boeing's current hiring practices are no help at all, the 737 being a prime example.

Apparently the cost of each astronaut is less than half the price of launching a crew dragon. :)

And what's about add cost to stay docking at ISS and permission from FAA for reentry?!?

Maybe have SpaceX make it with Starliner markings.

"As this is Starliner's third mission in soace, and its first with astronauts onboard..." Yeah and its zeroeth with no major problems.

I’m not an engineer BUT HOW THE HELL can they fix ANYTHING on the starliner from EARTH ???!

... soon enough people will think ... if it Boing I ain't going ...

I really hope NASA is prepared to change their agency's name to NATA (need another two astronauts) if this ends badly. This is about as smart as the flight carrying Vladimir Komarov. On the ground testing. If it really is that valuable, why did we send a mission out to lunar orbit just to test the docking/undocking and maneuvering of the LEM and CSM? Seems kind of dumb to go to all that expense when we could have done testing in LEO or that valuable ground testing. Seriously, the ground testing is near worthless compared to gathering data during flight. NASA/NATA should tell Boeing that if they want any more missions they need a much more reliable ship within a year or pay back the 2 billion and change . . . that's the equivalent of 20 falcon heavy launches. NASA could use that for some real science, rather than designing an edsel.

@thomasboese3793

18 күн бұрын

We didn't send a mission out to lunar orbit just to test the docking/undocking and maneuvering of the LEM and CSM. Most of that testing was done in LEO. Apollo 7 Manned flight to demonstrate performance and operability of the CSM. Apollo 8 Command and service module manned flight demonstration in lunar orbit. Apollo 9 Manned flight of the complete lunar landing mission vehicle in low Earth orbit to demonstrate operability of all the equipment and (insofar as could be done in Earth orbit) to perform the maneuvers involved in the ultimate mission. Apollo 10 A complete mission except for the final descent to and landing on the lunar surface. The spacecrafts were named Gumdrop & Snoopy. Apollo 11 The initial lunar landing mission. Commander Neil Armstrong and Lunar Module Pilot Buzz Aldrin landed the Apollo Lunar Module Eagle on July 20, 1969, at 20:17 UTC. Boeing is lost in the weeds, has fallen, and can't get up. Apollo had four manned missions to test, test, and more testing along the way to the goal of landing. Boeing had two uncrewed test flights of Starliner that failed. This last flight should have been uncrewed. The only reason it docked was that it was crewed, an uncrewed capsule with major problems would have been kept out of the ISS safe zone.

Hopefully the astronauts return safely on SL, or another craft.

Spacex should build their own falcon 9 launch tower at starbase

Look, in Science if you do something - a test or a simple experiment, and everything goes as planned you don't learn anything; there is no opportunity for learning anything new there. However, when things don't go as planned the opportunity to learn something new is priceless.

Boeing, the name you can trust... to fock up.

If the ISS is charging Starliner's Batteries then WHY did they make such a shitstorm over it?

I'd be worried the door would fall off during launch...

IAM CONFIDENT SPACEX IS GOING TO BRING THEM HOME SAFE.🤲✨️🇺🇲✨️🚀✨️🧑‍🚀✨️👨🏾‍🚀✨️

@raymacdhomhnuill8018

17 күн бұрын

Not everyone is

Which will be worse for Boeing, sending SpaceX to bring them back to earth, or having these two astronauts die on reentry????

Where the Dragon for re-supply have to dock ?

They gunna have to order a dragon on uber.

Let's hope nothing happens to the astronauts because Boeing wants to save face. 😶‍🌫️

They are making lemonade, AGAIN!

Boeing is testing after failures rather than prior to mission???? Sounds like the standard process at Boeing on all their products.

Didn't NASA require SpaceX to run several missions cargo only before allowing crews? Why the special treatment?

Dont cry if something goes wrong

@Raytracer96024

17 күн бұрын

Instead we should be celebrating that ameriKKKans lost the modern space race against the Might Dragon 🇨🇳

Anything can fail, look at your new hi-tech car.

You'd be safer on the Starship.

I wonder why the batteries can’t be recharged from the ISS’s solar panels?

@brianferraioli1104

18 күн бұрын

surely they have an extension cord up there....

They need Real Test Pilots on missions like this... Space exploration is still A DANGEROUS ENDEAVOR.. this is Rocket Science.. Believe it.. Or Not!!! 🐦 ❤

Ad too long

"conducted routine orbital plumbing and audited US stowage items in the zarya module". so... cleaned that bathroom and swept out the warehouse? Got to love make-work 😆

If the Starliner is in such great condition, as this video claims, why the delay in returning to Earth? This video trys to put a positive spin on this train wreck!

Boeing Quality Assurance is difficult to deal with on projects from a contractor stand point. It isn’t hard to believe they made such a hot flaming mess.

Will this thing make the same color trails across the sky as the Shuttle Columbia ?

How about they bring it back and just "pretend" the astronauts are inside... see what happens. Meanwhile, SpaceX sends a Dragon to actually bring them home safely. Sure, study the Starliner but don't risk lives to save face.

good luck...

So who pays for the extended stays? Commercial customers would be on the hook for a fortune’s worth of consumables. Will that be true for this mission? Or is this another ‘oh it’s just part of the test program’ fallbacks so common to Boeing?

WE ALL NEED TO PRAY FOR THEIR SAFE RETURN AS JUST NOT CONFIDENT OF BOEING.

LOL, they sent up seasoned test pilots and turned them into maintenance workers…😂. Just leave the Starliner up there and Elon can deal with it when he de-orbits the ISS. 😜