I went to one of the 'top' prep schools followed by one of the 'top' public schools in Surrey. The children were mostly talentless, uninteresting, and arrogant drones simply trying to emulate the landed upper classes. We used to get threatened and beaten up by the senior pupils on a regular basis - It was a bloody awful experience and I still havent forgiven my parents for dumping me there. I left with absolutely no life skills, the first job I took was emptying rubbish bins followed by stock picking in numerous warehouses while living with my kind grandmother (the type of person school had taught me was weak). This employment was my real education when I realised that the average citizen was kinder, nicer, often far more intelligent and generally better put together than the psychopaths I was forced to board with for 10 years. The only good thing is the rest of your life is better because your not there 🙏👍

@John-qd5of

12 күн бұрын

However, if a public school boy does have talent, the school will polish that talent till it seems like pure genius.That boy will then be sent to Oxford or Cambridge. He may then try his hand at politics. However, public schools can also train boys to bluff their way through life and to feign talents they do not have. Boris Johnson, this means you!

@dominionphilosophy3698

11 күн бұрын

I think you are overpaying this. Plenty of working class kids are talentless, the upper middle classes don’t have a monopoly at all.

@kathleenmckenzie6261

10 күн бұрын

The public school system in the U.K. is at least 200-250 years old and was established to serve the very elite and wealthy. It wasn't meant to teach any life skills because the students would have servants to do everything for them. The idea of working for a living was abhorrent and I think much of that attitude still prevails. It was only necessary to be well-spoken, literate and have connections with other graduates. As an American, the idea of sending children off to boarding school at age seven or eight is stupefying.

@elliotoliver8679

10 күн бұрын

Fake

@johnshaw8327

10 күн бұрын

I'm 80 this year. Sent to one of these schools in Essex. 42 of us locked up with an abusive housemaster. I was his favourite for some reason and suffered accordingly. Never recovered from those years. It's a long story which I keep to myself. Obviously the system worked. No one can ever get close to me. I live in Australia and parrots are my best friends. Who said I'm screwed up??!! Ask my 3 wives.

I have long thought that the contempt, arrogance, cruelty and gaslighting from parliament and other powerful institutions within the country stem from the warped Public School system.

@JesterEric

16 күн бұрын

It's getting worse and worse since corporal punishment was banned. These are super privileged children who need to be taught a bit of humility

@normanchristie4524

16 күн бұрын

Met a lot of them whenI moved to BT in London in the 1980s arrogant people. Totally unacceptable.

@cassandratq9301

16 күн бұрын

It appears you were 💯% correct.

@mariannehancock8282

16 күн бұрын

Me too.

@kassistwisted

16 күн бұрын

In that horrible atmosphere, how could they possibly learn empathy? Damaged children make for damaged adults who damage everything they touch: companies, banks, governments.

Sending young children to boarding school is a posh form of putting them in care. As a mental health professional I have worked with both public school educated and care leavers. The overlap in psychological injury is telling. Children need to be nurtured, receive affection and most importantly have healthy, nurturing attachment relationships with parents. Institutions cannot provide this.

@diane5522

5 күн бұрын

I totally agree.

When Oswald Mosely was thrown in prison in WW2, he remarked that prison was a breeze for someone who had been to English public school.

@WH-hi5ew

16 күн бұрын

Ditto prison - there used to be a table for Old Etonians at Wormwood Scrubs.

@orangefield100

15 күн бұрын

The same was said by John Mcarthur (who was held by terrorists in Lebanon for about a year).” Having gone to Public School then I could easily tolerate my imprisonment “.

@WH-hi5ew

15 күн бұрын

@@orangefield100 I highly recommend Brian Keenan "An Evil Cradling" (1993) about their experiences being held hostage. At one stage such was his isolation he went through a death and rebirth experience which is in the book.

@charlotteillustration5778

15 күн бұрын

Absolutely - when I went to teach in a young offenders prison, the head of education was extremely surprised to find that I was perfectly ok after a tour of the prison. I realised afterwards that it was because it did remind me of both my boarding schools.

@orangefield100

14 күн бұрын

Hi , I bought the book about 30 yrs ago when it was first published . It remains one of my most treasured possessions . Brian Keenan , writer and poet.

A breeding ground for the sociopath.

@claudiafigueiredo4979

15 күн бұрын

Exactly

@devorah935

13 күн бұрын

💯

@dominionphilosophy3698

11 күн бұрын

There are plenty of places where you develop that. There are enough working class places where you have to protect yourself. Navel gazing.

@FITSOZOLIFE

10 күн бұрын

The true ruling elite need the traumatised kids to carry out UKgovPLC policies that suppress the masses!

@robertbarrett2494

10 күн бұрын

Plenty at the other schools by 93 / 7 & from almost all walks of life .

No wonder they are so cruel, selfish and abusive when in power. It's beyond time to end the abusive "public" school system completely.

@TesterAnimal1

15 күн бұрын

I went to one. It was hell. Emotionally crippling.

@ianworley8169

15 күн бұрын

I went to an all boys inner city comprehensive in the 1970s. At that time, one of the largest in the UK. Trust me, it was one of the most brutal, cruel and abusive institutions I have ever experienced. Long before the abolition of corporal punishment, the liberal use of which, from the torse, cane, slap or the oversized plimsoll administered with unimaginable force by the largest gym teacher, was the main form of control. And then there were the thug pupils, given more or less free reign to bully at will. 5 years of daily horror, only at the end which could my secondary education actually begin. British public schools are an abomination, but being a powerless, poor, physically average child in a 1970s state school was no joy either.

@saraha2545

14 күн бұрын

cruel and selfish people are within all classes all jobs. its a lack of faith. a nation with no sense of morality is a threat to itself. Morality is promoted in the 10 commandments which all Abrahamic faiths agree and believe in. Also creating a system of institutional accountability not blame. Would assist with the institutional corruption this country is afflicted with.

@nancyhagan7553

8 күн бұрын

You are spot on A child needs the warmth of a care giver and these lot have had none Just money thrown at them so how will they know the lives of ordinary people

@John-ym4st

8 күн бұрын

Detached emotionally starved, bullied or abused

As a privately-educated, African American woman, so much of this discussion echoes through my reflections of my educational experience; especially, the propaganda surrounding exclusivity. The very idea is predicated in disconnection with community which, I think is at odds with how educated, civilized people should relate and behave.

@cassandratq9301

16 күн бұрын

Well said.

Much of this just makes me sick. Yes, I went to one of these boarding schools and it was as awful as described, but I revolted. I fought back. I refused to take the bullshit dished out to me. The result was that I was beaten black and blue, of course. I once held a record at my school: the most beatings in one term (46, if I recall - about 4 times a week). I was also beaten by the prefects, the seniors, and just about anyone older than I was. But it never stopped me. Years later I remember meeting a man from my school who remembered me as the fellow always on detention, always gardening (a punishment) and always standing up and objecting to collective punishments (and getting punished for it). He just thought me a nutcase. No-one ever DID anything. What gets me is that there are so many men out there now bleating about how horrible their school experience was, but I can't remember any of them EVER doing anything about it. Even as children they lacked the courage to do anything except bleat. And "leadership"? Oh, those schools taught leadership alright. How to shine in the eyes of your superiors, while stabbing your colleagues in the back and beating up anyone less powerful. This is the "leadership" that we see all around us: in politics, in society. Bah, they can all go *&^%$%#$*(^&)(*)_(

@orangefield100

15 күн бұрын

Hope that. you are now ok . Well done for not giving in to the herd mentality.

@tomfaulkner2055

12 күн бұрын

Sounds horrific. But I dont think anybody bleated about it while at the school in fact a stiff upper lip and carrying on was all part of the ethos. Parents should have done something about it but complaining to them was also taboo.

@raymondlaurence980

12 күн бұрын

Not everyone has the strengt that you had....be compasionate! They were children.

@barrybarry6592

10 күн бұрын

Broken children remoulded in the image of an "elite"

@janetmalcolm6191

7 күн бұрын

This is why many who govern can't govern!

England is a class based place where aristocracy and those snobbish of a middle class support the status quo. Europeans have dropped their Von's and De so and so's. Britain lives in another century of acceptable inequalities and funds it. British people are deferential to those 'born to rule' and the working classes are as Kant would say, 'politically immature'. Britain has become a de-regulated, low cost, low caring business, akin to a 19th Century workhouse for too many.

@janllh24

16 күн бұрын

'Politically immature" and senescent at the same time, what a combination

@shelleyphilcox4743

16 күн бұрын

On the contrary, the 'working class' have challenged authority over centuries, which is why the English had rights early not found elsewhere. Slavery and Serfdom disappeared early. The Peasants Revolt, the political movements of the Levellers, Diggers, Chartists, the Labour movement. No bloody revolution like Russia or France, the development of constitutional monarchy, which turn out to be one of the most stable forms of government, and avoiding extremity in political movements such as Fascism and Communism and the horrors that unleashed globally. Do you see those political movements and oppression as 'politically mature'?

@patrickmccutcheon9361

13 күн бұрын

Not true about the dropping of the De, Du Van and Von on the continent. There are plenty of old aristocratic families around.

@John-qd5of

12 күн бұрын

And most ironically, Mrs Thatcher was one of those Tories who seemed to have pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps. She and her followers then made it harder for others to do ßo.

@tomhermens7698

11 күн бұрын

@user-pu5tc8tg4x So right. Send one daughter through that system - haven't seen or heard from her for 24 years since !!! Does not want to know me.

The Brits should learn from countries that successfully educate their young without elitism and violence.

@doreenhollywood7459

10 күн бұрын

It is more an English tradition. There are very few boarding schools in Scotland

@nancyhagan7553

7 күн бұрын

The Dark Triads so wicked

@nicolad8822

6 күн бұрын

@@doreenhollywood7459🤣

@sarahpengelly8439

6 күн бұрын

But they never will, will they? Because if you're that type of British person who sends your offspring away to a public school, you know better don't you? The British upper class will never lose their arrogance....

@StraitKnopfler

5 күн бұрын

At least there's very little risk of them getting shot.

I was 6 years old when sent to boarding school. I became mute during my time there to avoid trouble. Miles from home, I had no idea why I couldn't see my mum and dad. There was elocution lessons and silk serviettes. I thought I'd been sent to prison and I didn't know how to articulate my fears. I was lucky that everyone was very protective of me and was only there for three terms. My parents recognised a distress that I could find no words for at the time

@sarahsue42

9 күн бұрын

Sending you a hug Jenny

@adad1270

8 күн бұрын

@jennyoshea1 and @sarahsue42 And here's another hug for the 6-year old in you, Jenny! And I'm reminded of a book by President Jimmy Carter's Evangelist sister (RIP), who would hold prayer sessions where she invited Jesus to accompany those present in reliving past traumas, but with His loving support & guidance bringing healing. Good luck, & blessings!

I too went to a horrific boarding school where emotional and physical abuse was common. Andrew Motion's statement that all of one's emotional resources were spent in just trying to survive, rather than being able to focus on the education, was one that I recognise completely. I will name the dreaded school here since it also made the national headlines after being featured on Panorama. It was the Royal Alexandra and Albert School, also known as Gatton Park. The reason it was featured on Panorama was that a number of its teachers had been convicted of sexual abuse - although the senior members of the school were never held to account for hiring or overlooking the abuse. If anybody is still wondering, yes the place is still open.

@aurele2

8 күн бұрын

well of course its still open what do you expect? actual justice? oh no not for those who have connections to the wealthy and influential dont get ahead of yourself now the clogs in the rotting machine need to still keep on going to fund their hedonistic lifestyle.

I got a tour of Eton about 15 years ago, I saw a number of very "unhappy" youth, they seemed about 14 or 15. It got to the point that I commented on what I was seeing. The man giving the tour admonished me that they knew what they were doing as they've been about it for centuries. I promised myself that I would NEVER put my own child into such a sterile environment.

@charlesbruggmann7909

16 күн бұрын

Is there a single school in the world where you won’t find the odd ‘unhappy’ 14/15 year old? Apart from girls’ schools presumably.

@PomuLeafEveryday

16 күн бұрын

The only person I've met from Eton was the most obnoxious person I've ever met

@charlesbruggmann7909

16 күн бұрын

@@PomuLeafEveryday I have met quite a few obnoxious people in my life. Not all went to Eton, quite a few had been to perfectly ordinary state schools.

@brianmacadam4793

16 күн бұрын

@@charlesbruggmann7909 I coached highschool sports for years and years, these kids were at another level of "unhappy"

@patrikfloding7985

16 күн бұрын

@@charlesbruggmann7909so now you are defending bullying?

As a foreigner coming from a rather unhierarchical country, I am appalled. My (British) partner told me of his experience. It was a day school though, and his mother who thought getting him this sort of education would help him in life took him away as soon as it transpired he and another boy had been beaten. She was so upset that she was intrumental in making the other boy's parents take him out too (She was a fantastic woman).

@andreaslind6338

10 күн бұрын

As a former boarding school pupil, i want to thank you for telling this story, you have restored some of the faith that was shattered. If she is still alive, tell her how much good she did her son.

My father died of alcoholism in his early 50's, I'm pretty sure his time at Prep / Boarding school is at the heart of it, but I can't ask him now

@tomfaulkner2055

12 күн бұрын

I'm sorry to hear that. My mum was an alcoholic and having to send all her three sons to BS all of whom were unhappy at going made her worse. I never brought it up afterwards as I knew she felt guilty about it.

I went to a private all girls day school. I hated it, but was always told how lucky I was to be there. I would have given anything not to be. I saw it push favoured children and totally fail others who needed extra help. It did not equip anyone with life skills. When I did well, against their expectations, they couldn't even grudgingly acknowledge it. I vowed I would never put my own kids through it.

@charlesbruggmann7909

16 күн бұрын

What makes you think you would have been happier in a state school?

@ericajohnson3504

16 күн бұрын

@@charlesbruggmann7909 because I had to go to State School when my parents moved to a different area for 2 years. An area where there were no Private Schools. I learnt more and was much happier there until they moved back and put me back into the Private School and misery.

@tomfaulkner2055

12 күн бұрын

I was also made to feel I was lucky and was given an opportunity my Dad hadnt had. I struggled to keep my head above water for three years and then floundered for the last two and my Dad unbeknownst to me had to persuade the school to even allow me to take A levels, which I did badly at. Neither my Dad or the school spoke to me about their deliberations until six months after my exams when my Dad spat it out while in the midst of a rant at me. His final word on the subject was "Well that was a f'in waste of money". Our relationship never really recovered although BS wasnt the only point of conflict.

@ericajohnson3504

12 күн бұрын

@@user-mw9bd2ey6sIt was in the UK from the early 60's to the mid 70's. I started school aged 3 at a private girls school. The only qualification required was your parents had the money for the fees. Consequently there were girls of all abilities. I stayed there until I was 11 and felt ok about it, enjoyed learning and it gave me a good grounding in the 3R's and a curious attitude to learning. I started in the senior part of the school and did first year. It was challenging, the discipline was extreme, with a restricted uniform, the length of skirts checked and measured, socks and stockings checked frequently rejected, we even had to wear special regulation indoor shoes. The compulsory gabardine coat plus velvet bowler hat marked you out for ridicule out of school, if you were brave enough to try to go into town after school and not be picked up by your parents until you were 18. I then spent 2 years at a high school in a Scottish town - the only school in the town. I had freedom to walk to school myself, I was just like everyone else, the education was just as good, if not better as we learnt practical subjects like cooking, rather than Latin. Back to the Private School, no freedom, back to public ridicule, fetched and carried by parents. Subjects all very academic, no additional needs help for friends who needed it, they ended up being persuaded to leave at 16 or being held back a year, and I really felt for them. I left with great O Levels, rubbish A Levels (because by that time I had discovered boys) and no ability to look after myself, cook properly etc. You can't eat A level Physics! Nothing I learnt at school was of any great use during my life. I did make it to Uni as a Mature Student, which I loved, but Private School I just hated it. The stigma and discipline and the teachers not caring for your wellbeing (my father died when I was 17 no one ever asked if I was ok) and not celebrating what you did unless you were the Best in your class and going to University. All I can say is choose carefully.

I would guess that those who think it’s okay & even funny to set light to £50 notes in the face of a homeless person are missing a few brain cells and therefore devoid of common sense

@joaniesimpson2016

16 күн бұрын

Lack of empathy is more likely.

@markwelch3564

16 күн бұрын

​@@joaniesimpson2016probably both

Britain was destroyed on the playing fields of Eton.

@robertbarrett2494

11 күн бұрын

.... & also playing fields or play grounds of other schools .

@blink997

10 күн бұрын

No it was destroyed on the windrush

What lovely, sensitive men - despite their ghastly experiences.

i remember as a teenager a boarding college lad asked me where i was boarding, to which i replied, `my parents loved me so they kept and reared me themselves`. I think he got my point.

@joprocter4573

10 күн бұрын

Bit nasty when rich poor kids already fostered on nanny for years.dont let private school receive charity status and stop providing child benefit to them that can afford private.private schools only place I've seen kids learn etiquette and pride in one appearance and extra curriculum so good couldn't afford otherwise.my kids had a mix and ppl always pointed how well they presented verbally n appearance.education standard at times was no better than state.

@adad1270

8 күн бұрын

@joprocter4573 Good heavens, man (or woman): what a long run on sentence. A suggestion: separate your writing in to individual thoughts. Then assemble those distinct items into groups of similar items, and then aim to express each one a separate sentence. Good luck! And blessings.

@jeannovacco5136

6 күн бұрын

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Suddenly, I realise: how will the men have empathy for anybody's suffering, when the suffering endured by the little boys they used to be was never considered, empathised with? Instead, they were told it was their fault they were feeling bad and should just stop it...That accounts for the "Lifestyle choice" remarks by Braverman, 30p Lee and co: these people want to be members of the charmed circle, so they double down on the public schools message. Abominable.

The problem with privately educated people is their incompetence and inability to problem solve large scale infrastructure problems etc. Its always going to be beyond them.

@martinmcdonald4207

14 күн бұрын

Which begs the obvious question......Why are these very exclusive and expensive institutions called `Public Schools` when they are totally closed to the real public people? They are Private Schools and the free institutions are Public Schools for the commoner, surly! It must be a very British thing because it makes no sense what so ever!

@elliotoliver8679

10 күн бұрын

Nonsense

@nicolemurphy2629

7 күн бұрын

Maintaining the status quo relies on problems 'not' being solved.....!!!! If a Politician comes in and solves all the problems its game over and they do think they are playing a game .....

Ive met a few public school men in my life. I felt they were very damaged in a somehow uniform way. Very cruel to do this to children

There's nothing special about these guys. No particular technical, managerial aptitudes. No reason why they should rule.

@michaelfoy

16 күн бұрын

Have Allways thought that having a Private Education, Does NOT make a person clever, intelligent, able or accomplished, it simply means they have HAD a VERY Expensive Education and been indoctrinated into the mantra that THEY are Superior to the plebs who are outside of that privilege....and should be treated as such.

@patrikfloding7985

16 күн бұрын

Their severe lacking in many areas of knowledge (science, technology) is directly reflected in all the issues UK currently has.

@Pauld42

16 күн бұрын

More important may be the effect on judgement of the lack of emotional development.

@michaelfoy

16 күн бұрын

@Pauld42 There was an interesting item on U-tube watched yesterday with Two Private school boarders, one of whom, Former Poet Laureate Andrew Motion....He said just that about Shutting down Emotional development....They both said that Public Schools formerly had a discipline Break the child to make the child FIT to be a Servant of the Empire and send them off to Rule...And nothings much changed, Except with NO Empire now....Those people are here instead!

@shirwajama2066

15 күн бұрын

But then their uber representation at the upper echelons of society says otherwise :)

The discussion of the damage to intellectual, as well as social/psychological development is extremely valuable. To become a person preoccupied with avoiding punishment at the expense of actual learning - not to mention empathy + moral courage/conviction - explains SO much about the behavior of politicians, educators, the legal profession etc.

@cassandratq9301

16 күн бұрын

THIS is where so many of these people who are so eager to be liked and never risk anything major to make progress possible comes from. To have your mind " frozen over" + to develop a devious aspect to your personality due to a preoccupation with avoiding punishment is shockingly awful. Pursuing success with the wrong underlying motive is a path to nothing good.

Even before this starts….I’m 76 and this still hits raw nerves: what I went through is just as typical as the horror stories you hear everywhere; sadistic prefects, a really nasty headmaster, abusive teachers. God knows how we all survived without being turned into younger carbon copies of them :-) I left with a plummy accent and a determination never to put my children, if and when I had them, in any institution like my prep and public schools. They also made me a Labour voter for life…so some good came out of it :-)

@trevfindley5704

16 күн бұрын

Have you read the book 'sad little men' that was published a few years ago? It might be worth a look... Edit: I was commenting before listening too. I see the author of the book I mentioned is one of the interviewees.

@TesterAnimal1

15 күн бұрын

Sixty two here. I went to a minor regional one which was very proud to have been founded in the fifteenth century. It too was hell. And bullying was accepted. It’s emotionally damaging to children to be dumped like that. I’m definitely not… “complete”? Even after all these years. Oh, and a Labour voter too!

@tonyaustin4472

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for the reply :-) it’s comforting to know that you’re one of many isn’t it….not that you want anyone else to have gone through that! And the fact that you are so much younger than me makes it so depressing that you had to suffer 14 years or so later than I did. There were boys in my school who went through an even worse ordeal than I did. My worst ordeals were at the hands of the headmaster. If you ever saw the film called ‘If’ where a boy get caned by a prefect who runs up and thrashes him? That happened to me 3 times: twice with 3 thrashes and once with 6 thrashes. I had blood running down the back of my legs after the worst event. Utterly wicked way to treat young boys….I think I was 13 at the time. Thing is I could never have told my parents because I’d have got the same treatment by my father who would have punished me because the headmaster had :-)

@tonyaustin4472

15 күн бұрын

@@trevfindley5704 I haven’t read it and I’m lucky enough to have a faith that has sustained me and enabled me to forgive those who meted out such cruelty. It was an awful time though and it’s left me with a passionate belief that children need love and encouragement to grow and flourish. I am truly lucky that I was able to understand and come to terms with what happened to me and I totally get how others struggle with similar experiences or end up repeating that behaviour themselves….my father and grandfather also went through public schools but my wife and I made sure that never happened to our children.

@trevfindley5704

15 күн бұрын

@@tonyaustin4472 sounds like it probably wouldn't contain any huge revelations to you, but it is an excellent book - and very specific and lucid in how it apportions blame to the overbearing institutional structure of the schools themselves rather than the many and varied tyrants that each one may or may not have harboured...

My cousin went to a boarding school for girls. Ran away at 15 because it was living hell. I genuinely feel so sorry for anyone who's been through that system.

This lack of empathy was useful for the country when those kids grew up and were shifted to the colonies who endured the impact of their cold behaviour. Today, most of them stay in Britain, so their citizens are the ones who suffer the consequences being led by callous individuals.

@smoozerish

16 күн бұрын

Good point....the system has bred those who seek to destroy Britain

@patcampton7163

16 күн бұрын

The people in this country during Empire were also damaged by the elite.

@TesterAnimal1

15 күн бұрын

Exactly. They exist as Spencer puts it to “cauterise the emotions”. This produces useful sociopaths.

Many people hated school, whether fee-paying or a state school. It's incredibly naive to say that you have love in your life if you go home each evening. I was terrified of my father and would have done anything to be away from that environment.

@Elainemacpherson-zj7dk

15 күн бұрын

I wanted to live home age 5..i had had enough

@tonyaustin4472

15 күн бұрын

Me too Julian

@tomfaulkner2055

12 күн бұрын

It was hard enough having problems adjusting to BS but when it just made problems at home worse then on one level being at BS was an escape from those intractable domestic problems. More likely to have love at home than BS although not a given I agree.

@tpkyterooluebeck9224

9 күн бұрын

Your father, My mother. My mother shook me until I passed out 3 different times as an infant. She was always shaking me as a child. I always wanted to go to boarding school to get away from the abuse, but at that time, I had no idea how much abuse happened at boarding schools and how the establishment was abhorrant to stop it and was really apart of the problem until I went to a school up North that was not a boarding school, but I was bullies and the teachers had the audacity to call it love! Even the music teacher bullied me. This is when I realized that at a boarding school, I would be trading my mother for many fools with tools.

@tonyaustin4472

7 күн бұрын

It seems to me that we are here to be the best we can be: by that I don’t mean necessarily to be what this world accepts as being a success ie rich/ powerful/ famous etc. To be the best we can be means, to me, to be a compassionate, kind, tolerant, gentle human being….to be that amongst our fellow, equally flawed brothers and sisters, is being the best we can be. If like so many of us you’ve had a rough time of it as a child, from parents or a lack of them, from school, from work or from the world at large; then you have gift that others haven’t had, you know what it’s like to feel that hurt. Turn that experience on it’s head and use your compassion in the way you live with others. There’s literally no better, wiser life you can aspire to….and the peace and joy you will feel outstrips and amount of money or power you could possibly imagine. People will scoff at this I have no doubt, and that that only proves that I am right :-) Use the experiences you’ve had for good and you’ll find the hurt you suffered will diminish like dew in the morning.

It’s imperative for the future of the UK to abolish boarding school, private schools and the monarchy.

@giakolou2876

14 күн бұрын

This. They will revert back in terms of economic growth and so many other things too if they continue this feudalist trend.

@margaretcaine4219

6 күн бұрын

I agree with you. Another benefit of withdrawing taxpayer funding from non government schools would be the ending of the physical isolation of children from different religious backgrounds from each other. I've been reading about what is taught (indoctrinated?) in some Muslim schools in Britain and elsewhere. If the Catholics, Jews and others suffer financially from a tightening of the public money supply they currently enjoy, so be it. The government needs to be much stricter in enforcing the national curriculum and religious studies should be monitored closely to ban the teaching of fundamentalism.

@ifeifesi

5 күн бұрын

Yes, because state schools are doing such a good job producing wonderful children who grow to be great human beings themselves😑😑

No wonder this country is in such a mess

@charlesbruggmann7909

16 күн бұрын

Might I remind you that Liz Truss did not go to Eton. She didn’t go to boarding school. She wasn’t privately educated.

@markwelch3564

16 күн бұрын

​​@@charlesbruggmann7909she fit right in though - I guess prep schools aren't the only source of entitled idiots, but regardless of source,we should stop electing them!

@mandriod5255

15 күн бұрын

@@charlesbruggmann7909 True but she did go to Oxford

@trevfindley5704

15 күн бұрын

@@mandriod5255 exactly. Oxford PPE is an extension of this exact system. Also - most of the think tank gouls who dictated her policies were bound to have been privately educated...

@martinmcdonald4207

15 күн бұрын

Eton mess!

At what cost? MASSIVE, and the general public will pay for it all, in one way or another.

46 US presidents, at the same time 42 british prime ministers came from ONE school what sort of system is that ?

@StGammon77

5 күн бұрын

Which school?

@johnnorman7044

5 күн бұрын

@@StGammon77 eton collage windsor it costs at the moment over 46K per year per pupil

Plebs keep voting for them.

@mandriod5255

16 күн бұрын

Because we’re gaslighted by them

@TesterAnimal1

15 күн бұрын

I know. It’s fucking amazing.

@josephinebrevig8748

15 күн бұрын

@@mandriod5255the establishment media are messed into it.

@webMonkey_

15 күн бұрын

The English love cap doffing. This is also ingrained by royalty and the class system. I hate this about this country.

@maneshipocrates2264

15 күн бұрын

@@webMonkey_ They will never learn.

I cannot imagine abandoning my grad 1 age son to a boarding school. Utter inhumanity.

I don't know how the School that I attended would have compared to Spencer's school, but it was a boy's boarding prep school setup for getting kids through common entrance, which I didn't do, but instead I went back into the state system. I remain scarred for life.

My father was born in 1919, and grew up into what amounted to be the equivalent of a Dutch late Edwardian environment, with nannies (large family), governess, and tutor for the younger kids, and boarding school expected for the older kids. The children were wheeled in to see their parents for half an hour before the adults had dinner, then back to the kids' house - a bit like boarding school in the home environment. Dad was sent to boarding school, but ran away after a term. The regulated school was not for him - he became a scientist, but more than that he became a loving father who wanted to share our life experiences together. I was lucky, having him home every evening, or going to his labs at MAFF to do experiments with him. B o a r d i n g s c h o o l i s c r u e l .

@frogandspanner

16 күн бұрын

I posted that message before the video (12:21) got to mentioning boarding schools preparing people for the church. I can trace my family back to 996, and looking at the history it seems common for the idiot son to go into the church. Now that we have become a more secular society it has been necessary to create something else for the idiot son to do, which is why Oxford create PPE.

“Survivors of these institutions”. Good grief.

@upendasana7857

10 күн бұрын

Some of them ARE "survivors"...truely some of them endured horrors.These men are simply sharing their experiences,they are not trying to justify or say its OK we have such elite schools that privilege few in society. Some of them endured unimaginable horros that you would not wish on anyone...horroric abuses of every single kind,abandoned by parents and left to fend for themselves often in harsh unloving environments.

@FullmetalSP1

10 күн бұрын

@@upendasana7857 Nah. They’re fine.

@elliotoliver8679

10 күн бұрын

Hyperbole on steroids!

I employed a goof educated at Eton once. I was shocked at how entitled he was. He was too useless for words.

Also five times more damaged leading to drugs and rent boys and generally a debased life .Perfect for looking after the day to day running of the country.

Having lived in Australia the system of schooling there is very similar and with similar consequences, Melbourne private schools breed the most obnoxious people you would ever want to meet.

@elliotoliver8679

10 күн бұрын

I say old chap, steady on

The worst 5 years of my life at private boarding school. I got out of it as soon as I could at 16. Looking back some of the teachers were really weird and some of them beat boys for minor offences and drew blood. What is the cost of lost talent and productivityof those who went to state school and didn't have the job opportunities open to private school graduates?

A couple of years back The Guardian allowed the headmaster of Eton College an opinion piece to hymn the joys of private boarding schools. The next day unsurprisingly saw a flurry of letters taking issue, with one succinctly pointing out that it had been three ex-pupils of Eton who had brought our country to the brink of civil war. I think he meant David Cameron, who called the Brexit referendum for party political purposes, and Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg who promoted it.

I always feel compelled to comment on these, despite my attempts to resist. When I was seven, I went to boarding school up in London, then later at Christ's Hospital in Sussex, which is a bit of an outlier as these places go. By the 90s, many of the worst things they talk about - the sexual abuse etc. - were, at least as far as I know, mercifully in the past - although only just. A housemaster who left in about 1996 was convicted of child molestation fairly recently. On the more general point of creating avoidant, emotionally distant people who lack empathy, this must remain true. We were told by the older boys that crying wasn't acceptable after our first Christmas. And so, we didn't, and in fact meted out humiliation to those boys who couldn't cope being in the environment. If this misses anything, I think it misses (a) the ways in which you as a student become enculturated and work to maintain the emotionally cold system through bullying and a "mini machismo", (b) the way in which you become institutionalised through isolation from real society, and (c) how you are depersonalised by supposed 'caregivers'. Don't get me wrong, I was lucky to have some nice matrons and the odd nice housemaster - usually an eighteen-year-old who had been through the same thing as us - but the fact of all your caregivers being paid to be there is damaging in itself, some of whom actively make your life horrendous. As for bullying, it went both ways. You dished it out, you were on the receiving end. For my part, I was brutal to some boys and yet also felt the full force of it from others. Perhaps that's some form of cosmic justice. This has led to years of mental health problems which, now I'm broadly on the other side, I look back on as lost years. At the same time, I'm very grateful that mental health support and access is socially acceptable as I imagine many issues I face would have been insurmountable in years gone by. The truth is, boarding school is a violent thing to do to children, particularly early boarding, and is made worse by the Lord of the Flies style atmosphere that exists there, and the lack of proper socialisation at such a formative age. It creates emotionally stunted people, who I imagine fall broadly into two categories: those with ongoing, lifelong mental health problems; and those who - like our political class - develop sociopathic, narcissistic tendencies. On a personal level, I don't begrudge my parents. I was not from a wealthy background, and I do see the advantages I've received from it. I think the education was good, and the small class sizes kept me from slipping under the radar. I am now a teacher, and I would not have done well in the industrial-sized classrooms we subject the rest of the population. If nothing else, the confidence and ease in and around places of influence and people of advantage are useful. Even so, the sooner we put this backwards tradition behind us, the better. That doesn't mean shutting down Eton. I think we can reuse places like Eton and Winchester for something closer to their original monastic function - providing quality education to socially disadvantaged people who need to be in a care setting - but to borrow a line, "a child has a better chance with the sanctuary of its home near at hand".

@edj4833

11 күн бұрын

Christ's Hospital here too. I very much agree with most of what you say, and I recognise much of your experience in mine, although I think I came slightly later. I too encountered some nice teachers, but I don't think any teacher, however well intentioned, is really capable of countering the Lord of the Flies atmosphere that really ruled in boarding houses at the time, and the emotional dislocation caused by separation from family. I think as well that ultimately the solution is for VAT to make boarding schools more expensive so that the kind of parents who would have sent their kids there are then pushing for better resources in comprehensive education. In the end high quality comprehensive schools will kill off the desire to send children away, and maybe more awareness amongst wealthier parents of the marginal educational benefits of private education will also help end boarding schools.

@tonyaustin4472

6 күн бұрын

I agree also…and to be fair, my experiences were in the 1950/60’s and hopefully no longer as common as they were in my time….but I don’t think public schools should have any place in todays Britain: instead we need a complete change to education in this country, properly staffed and financed so that every child has the chance to find their true potential; that we break the cycle of poorly educated parents having their children condemned to the same life chances their parents suffered. So many people in this country suffer from the simple fact that they are stuck in and endless loop which isn’t their fault. It’s not so much of a class system these days; it’s a deliberate keeping of the mass of folk ill educated and then flooding them with lies and propaganda by the right wing media. Brexit would never have happened because the outright lies would have been seen through by a better educated population :-)

And this is probably why they are so Cruel to Wildlife ie Foxhunting, Birds ,Grouse, Pheasants,Hare Coursing.Deer No empathyfor them.

@nicolad8822

6 күн бұрын

Hare coursing? That’s not posh people sport.

Then don't vote for someone who went to these schools..

@tonyaustin4472

15 күн бұрын

You shouldn’t take that simplistic attitude…there are lots of folk who went to public schools came through it with a utter determination to treat children for the treasured blessing they are. It made me a lifelong socialist and I’ve been a Labour supporter my whole adult life. It’s not where the child was sent; it’s how the adult behaves that counts.

@elliotoliver8679

10 күн бұрын

Lot of labor luvvies went to elite schools

@nicolab2075

10 күн бұрын

​@@elliotoliver8679Why call them 'luvvies'?

@tonyaustin4472

7 күн бұрын

Just a guy who needs to learn more about life…and apparently how to spell too :-)

The Reign of King and Queens should be over. The RF are not what any citizen or society should be looking up to or curtsy to or admired. There has to be an end to this and if not for the citizens then for the current children of the monarchy sake.

@nicolad8822

6 күн бұрын

What’s this got to do with the Monarchy?

@margaretcaine4219

6 күн бұрын

I've always found the English need for a stratified society interesting, and the fact that millions of plebs happily look up to and abase themselves to their 'betters' puzzles me. Even the language that has evolved and never been dropped is ridiculous, when you think about it: people are 'majestic, majesties' for example. What was majestic about your late Queen (or her son)? A very ordinary little woman, and now a very ordinary little man are majestic? A duke is 'your grace', however lacking in grace he may be. The most dishonourable people are honourable? A nation clinging to past glories needs to finally grow up and accept the new realities.

Stop the scroungers. Tax the rich.

An interesting conversation would be one that had a working class man, being put through the worst performing state schools and living in the 'care' system talking about their life experience of education and neglect alongside these chaps.

My ex husband was sent to prep school, boarding,aged 7. He’s probably autistic to boot. He is a very damaged man.

Now even the most privileged people are playing the victim. They don't know how damned lucky they are.

''I was just a child...'' at the age of six and a half I was sent away to board - it was not so much a home as a prison and it left deep psychological scars. Having had such thoughts and feelings, I have now 'dropped out' of the whole performance!

Robbie Coltrane the actor ( and wonderful kind man) described his experience at his Scottish Boarding School as “ licensed violence “.

They sound like sociopath factories.

@claudiafigueiredo4979

15 күн бұрын

Well we can see in goverment

Once they ran an empire, but now they just fill their pockets!

What sort of heartless parent sends an eight year old off to some far off institution. As a parent I'd hate not seeing my kids everyday.

Why do these people have children and get rid of them at such a young age .Most turn into psychopaths

Thee is a further problem with public schools. Their teaching steers pupils to arts degrees so the people running the country as politicians, civil servants or business leaders are scientifically illiterate. They are unable to evaluate projects related to infrastructure, utilities or defence and are reliant on expert opinion that is often influenced by the businesses involved.

@orangefield100

15 күн бұрын

Emphasis on the classics instead of maths and physics explains the dire ignorance in Westminster.

@nicolad8822

6 күн бұрын

Not these days. But everyone knows the money is not in Science and Engineering it’s in Banking and Finance.

“When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful A miracle, oh, it was beautiful, magical And all the birds in the trees, well, they'd be singing so happily Oh, joyfully, oh, playfully watching me But then they sent me away to teach me how to be sensible Logical, oh, responsible, practical And then they showed me a world where I could be so dependable Oh, clinical, oh, intellectual, cynical” 🇬🇧🧟

@nicolab2075

10 күн бұрын

Written by Roger (Pomfret) Hodgson, who did go to private school, interestingly enough.

If they'd abandoned this kind of school-system say... some decades ago, there would not have been a Brexit or at least not this kind of Brexit.

@elliotoliver8679

10 күн бұрын

What a dope you are

@errin-mp1zy

9 күн бұрын

If they had abandoned this kind of school system decades ago, you are probably right we would not have had a brexit ...because we would more than likely not have joined the european union in the first place!

@nicolad8822

6 күн бұрын

Eh? All those Sunderland Toyota workers went to boarding school then?

parliament seems to be a dumping ground for them. the ease with which they are able to get in is staggering. look at Cameron, not even elected , yet a government minister.

I went to Cambridge from a state school. When I got there all the public school types quizzed me on what school I went to. When I told them it was a state school, they refused to speak to me ever again. The state school kids went on to get the best degrees, but could only get very ordinary jobs. The public school types went on to run the country. Most of them were so thick they wouldn't have achieved an O level at my school. And that is why this country is in the state it is. We are governed by sneering, thick public school snobs.

Recommended reading, George Orwell's essay 'such were the days'

Parents had choices. Those fathers who sent their sons to these schools most likely went to the same school themselves. That's how the system works. They knew what was going on. They were quite prepared to allow their children be part of it. Can't feel sorry for people who are part of the ridiculous feudal system that we still have in this country.

I could only listen to the first 3 minutes then I had to stop because it was so excruciatingly sad to listen to Andrew’s recollection of being taken to boarding school. I don’t think I could manage to hear anything worse. I just hope that all the men who went through this torture have managed to get their life back together and not too badly damaged.

Wonderfully erudite and emotionally aware perspectives, thank you. Living in England for several years I found the emotional cauterisation seemed to leak down to people who hadn't even attended private schools. It seemed that all education was still 'empire-positive', creating another level of emotional ignorance as to the destruction and pillage of people, place and things to build such wealth and 'aristocracy'. So glad to see this house of cards falling; the reclamation of self, hearth and heart which is everyone's truly sovereign right. 🙏💚

I didn't go to a boarding school but I went to a private school on a scholarship. I didn't enjoy it but I would take issue with some of the claims made about them: I don't buy the idea that they have some magical ability to get top results, for example that the teachers are always better (some are great of course). Quite clearly the issue is that they use entrance exams to select for the brightest kids and then those kids study in a strict environment. Their parents also usually have high expectations. Quite obviously given the state of the country, it's pretty clear that those chaps who've been through those places have failed the great majority of us. And therein lies the trouble: social class - this country is uniquely poisoned by it in the Western world and I don't know what we do about it. At my private school the feeling in the air was that we were "better" than other people at the same time as there being a lot of fear of those people who went to comprehensive schools. Not exactly a healthy way to live. When I mixed with people who had gone to ordinary schools I found them to be far more trustworthy and down to earth. I have to say I really do think it was a huge mistake for the Left to turn against grammar schools

@andybrice2711

16 күн бұрын

Yeah, I absolutely cannot make sense of the contempt for grammar schools. There are certainly some problems with them: The ability of wealthy families to buy their way into the catchment area. The blunt instrument of branding a child based on a one-dimensional score at a young age. But the solution to these problems is not just _"Shut them all down"._

@travellingmusician2380

16 күн бұрын

I think the person who changed most grammars to comprehensives was Margaret Thatcher during her tenure as education secretary.

@BiggusDiggusable

16 күн бұрын

​@@andybrice2711The case against grammar schools is absolutely rock solid. They entrench privilege and shut off social mobility. The evidence is simply irrifutable.

@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t

16 күн бұрын

Parental pressure is it's own thing, of course. I went to a state school, but I do recall hearing a conversation between a head of department and new teacher in advance of a parent's night along the lines of "you'll not hear parents asking why their children have so much homework, you'll get asked why they've got so little".

@annepoitrineau5650

16 күн бұрын

I have no opinion about grammar schools, having grown up in a very egalitarian country, but the rest of your post is great and tallies with what I experienced when meeting public school alumni.

My favourite comment by one of the gentlemen, was when he pointed out the ludicrousness of a private school having better sports facilities than entire towns, and the people currently in power, being unable to see that injustice and then make appropriate changes. An absolutely brilliant insight, and a deeply sad one.

There you go, another failing area affecting people''s lives negatively - and in fact also one of the areas of life that Jeremy Corbyn wanted to address.

I’m subscribing these topics are fascinating as we have an assumption about people that attend these schools - it’s an amazing insight and I will be buying the Spencer’s book. It also explains why buffoons are running the country into the ground.

I went to a public school and benefitted from good teaching and exposure to richer experiences than I could have ever had at home. Learning to find one's way in a social situation not dominated by parents was more useful than stressful. I did not come away having any ambitions to impose my view on the world and I suspect 90% of my fellow students thought the same. It is a pity no one was invited to take part in this discussion to defend the positives. It is political necessity apparently to find someone to blame for the sad state of society today.

@macsmiffy2197

16 күн бұрын

Benefited - one t.

@davidhardy9419

16 күн бұрын

@@macsmiffy2197 True - and I used to pride myself on my spelling :(

@patcampton7163

16 күн бұрын

Maybe you were lucky in the choice of school. Did it help you get on in.life, do yoh think?

@TesterAnimal1

15 күн бұрын

Well good for you, top dog. I fucking HATED it and am emotionally fucked.

@davidhardy9419

15 күн бұрын

@@patcampton7163 It is difficult to say but it put me on a track that was totally beyond the experience of family and friends.Maybe that would have happened anyway.

Will including private schools in the VAT system deter a lot of parents from sending their kids to them. Time will tell.

@patriciawhite619

15 күн бұрын

Sadly, many have a charitable status! Tax dodging…..

@orangefield100

15 күн бұрын

Boarding schools will become the preserve of the uneducated nouveau riche . Bring back the grammar schools .

A good discussion. Some commenters here state that boarding school turned them into Labour voters, but they are clearly the exception to the rule. They may recognise that they will never really know what it is like to be from the other side of the tracks and that their education DID surmount hurdles they would otherwise have faced. I went to a boy's grammar school which copied many of the characteristics of the "public school" system, yet I grew up in an industrial county town so knew more people who were down to earth, working in manual jobs, many skilled and highly intelligent with surprising hobbies and interests. I personally believe that the boarding school system has largely lost its former ostensible values of inculcating a sense of duty for the service of the country. It did grow after all to produce young men who would serve the Empire. Parents nowadays send their children because the connections will open doors to their children becoming "winners" at the expense of the interests of the wider society and economy. The more elite of these schools were always breeding grounds of political bigotry, social snobbery and personal insensitivity. There can always be good and bad people from any background, but it seems that these schools suppress pupils' emotions to encourage dissimulation. In the 70s it was felt that the British class system would fade, but since then the social divisions have become more stark. We are going backwards. The biggest obstacles to a more equitable society are the right wing owners or controllers of the mainstream media, most of whom including the editors and senior writers come from the same background which is highly destructive to the common good. Finland has the best education system in the world and has no private schools.

Some years ago I read C. S. Lewis’s memoir that includes details about his childhood and youth in a boarding school. He talks about the abuse that students inflicted on each other. I guess not many people read that or remember it.

His store is both heart-breaking and infuriating. I think Lady Diana would be proud of him for speaking up.

My ex boarded at public school from the age of 5. He's so emotionally messed up, but lives around working class people to feel important and special. I'm from US. I had no idea about public schools before coming to the UK. Very disturbing.

In the UK, private schools are called public schools…

@nicolad8822

6 күн бұрын

Not necessarily.

Isolation and empathy - shown or felt - do not mix.

Treated so badly so badly they have no clear tool that's why they cruel to people they were cruel to them and that okay to be cruel to people if you'd send your childhood willing school you don't love them that's that's the thing very evil people

This is part of the issue. Another oart is that our political parties are outdated. The Tories serve the aristocracy. Their idea of success is a Britain like Downton Abbey. And then you have Labour, who are all about class struggle, about Sunday working hours, etc. Both are deeply parochial, paternalistic and authoritarian. We need different parties in power. Lib Dem’s are better than Labour and The Tories.

@anselmcarr-jones1664

15 күн бұрын

You've a very outdated view of the Labour party if you think they care about class struggle, and so they should by the way. Nothing parochial about that. Agreed on the paternalism

@SalimAsit

15 күн бұрын

@@anselmcarr-jones1664They’d do a far better job at improving the lives of normal people - pretty much all of us except the upper and upper middle classes who benefit from our oligarchic, feudalistic system - if they embrace entrepreneurship, reduce regulatory burdens, cut the tax imposed on those who work and, instead, zealously tax the parasitic concentration of wealth among fewer and fewer people at the top, and have the courage to reform the NHS. We are not talking about something like the broken system in America, but perhaps something like what they have in South Korea. The NHS needs reform, not ideological, blind support.

Great discussion

As a possible counterpoint: Peter Cook, Richard Ingrams, Ian Hislop and most of Private Eye/‘The Establishment’ are products of Prep Schools/Oxbridge. And not to forget Andrew Marr.

@TesterAnimal1

15 күн бұрын

It certainly suits some personality types. Others are hurt by it.

@nicolab2075

10 күн бұрын

​@@TesterAnimal1 I'm not sure public success is any indicator of private contentment

Many true points made I flew 5000 from my family Southern Africa to my School in 1967 in Ramsgate. growing up very fast. I was 12....The film IF 1968 summed a lot of it up.

The other people who suffer consequences are the millions of educated people who come out of state schools suffering from an inferiority complex or burning with anger at inequality and the injustice of their childhood lot.

@nicolad8822

6 күн бұрын

I rage more about Grammar Schools tbh.

Still better than most state schools offer. Most of the privately educated people I’ve come into contact with, are happy and grateful that they have landed great opportunities. The “born to rule” set will always come out on top, a bit of VAT won’t bother them in the slightest.

Like most of the people who have commented here, I went to not one, but two boarding schools. I was rebellious and to avoid expulsion from the first, was sent to a less 'military-type' of school. It was, without doubt, much better. I have since come to the conclusion that private schools should be illegal. If every child in the UK had to go to a state school the MPs would do all they can to make sure that state schools are excellent in every way. State schools would have to give children a good academic education as well as being able to trust other people (something you learn not to do in boarding school). Simply put, youngsters would finish school with less snobbism, more open mindedness, better disposed towards others (whoever they be), more faith in a just world and more inclination to make it a fair and just world for all of us.

Look at Blair, Cameron, Bojo and Sunak!

Why do People who attended these Schools then send their Kids to the same Establishments?

@lulamidgeable

12 күн бұрын

Ambition and desire for the child to be of the upper division in terms of material wealth

@nicolab2075

10 күн бұрын

​@@lulamidgeable Also, perhaps, a lack of empathy engendered by their own experience in childhood...

@willowtree9291

10 күн бұрын

So they mix with People Like Us.

@StGammon77

5 күн бұрын

Because it appears better than being a peasant, it can guarantee status position and money.

I went to Oundle in the late 1990s, a truly shocking place. Drug use, horrific pain felt by those who couldn't 'stand up' and hopelessly, useless, in bred types with zero capability but lots of money. 30 years on, many have now failed in life or are trying to make it based on their relationships - they are too a victim of the system. It needs to change to meet the needs of a modern day world, they will say they are changing but my experience of Oundle and my knowledge today tells me they are still hiding what really goes on. What Charles Spencer described was, and still is, widespread.

@nicolab2075

10 күн бұрын

My brother got a scholarship to Oundle in the 1960s. My mum and dad decided not to send him because they'd miss him, he'd miss home, and they felt me and my brother would miss him too. It sounds as though he dodged a bullet. Hope you're ok x

@Billywoo12

10 күн бұрын

I managed to get out and am absolutely fine, many others are not. Many, many incidents are hidden from view, the reputation of the school must be protected at all cost. The Worshipful Company of Grocers, (the governing body), has long tendrils and complaints and appeals are not visible, as they should be. Your parents made the right decision. @@nicolab2075

Raising the issue of "wokeness" is interesting in the context of private education. Wokeness mostly deals with identities of race and gender. It doesn't deal with wealth. Around the world woke institutions promote identity politics precisely because it enables them to avoid discussing wealth inequality. Transgender CEOs or ethnic minority senior politicians show diversity and score woke points. The fact they went to the same schools is ignored.

@StGammon77

5 күн бұрын

I'm in NZ and noticed that most of the famous musicians/singers come out of Sacred Heart Jesuit schools, in other words Freemasons. They are the plague.

As an Irish Republican this explains a whole lot - and is one of my most frightening videos I have ever watched

@WH-hi5ew

16 күн бұрын

Unfortunately child neglect, brutality and abuse happened in all societies in UK and Ireland back in the day... Catholic Church in Ireland is another example.

@Joe-og6br

12 күн бұрын

You Fenians got touched up by priests. Explains a whole lot.

@andreaslind6338

11 күн бұрын

Obvious troll is obvious.

@dominionphilosophy3698

11 күн бұрын

Oh stop it! Ireland has enough blood on its hands.

@minui8758

11 күн бұрын

I know the Jesuits and Benedictine’s were only following the English model in Ireland and that the French and German provinces of those orders are pioneers of liberal progressive education - but Belvedere, Clongowes, Glenstal etc are carbon copies of Stonyhurst and Ampleforth - themselves just romanised versions of Eton and Westminster. There’s a lot of decolonisation Ireland hasn’t done, at least possibly because of the ongoing influence of those schools

" Private school " at Eton & Harrow is a term f prep school . Education f under 11 is primary-education level & f over 11 is v early 2ndary-education level . 12 yr olds are learning how to do Common Entrance (CEE ) papers f entry into the selective schools of their parents' or guardians' choice . Eton & Harrow are English public schools with a global catchment area . Their level of education is 2ndary-education level . 6th Form is advanced 2ndary education level & its entry requires a particular number of subjects at partucular grades of 2ndary education exams .

I think that, that should have read 'ruined Britain.'

I went to boarding school from 7 to 18 years old in the 50s and 60s . It was a grim experience but I don’t recall any state educated friends and colleagues of a similar age saying that their experience was any better. School was grim in those days for everyone. My grandchildren at state schools now don’t seem to be any happier going to school than I was.

Listened to the audible, it was horrific, well done to Charles Spencer for writing it. There was me thinking he had the best of everything and was so privileged in every aspect of life, this made me see he wasn’t but also what a strong character he is too survive the torment

@nicolad8822

6 күн бұрын

He’s obnoxious.

I had a turn at boarding school, but i was on my late teens, my emotional character was well formed by then. I met guys that had been much earlier, and some of them were veeeery messed up by then. The equivalent of Gove, Rees-Moog ... all of them. Really and truly messed up. They started life feeling not wanted. No child should suffer that. I totally support boarding school, but only say from 16-17 onwards.

@CJ0101

9 күн бұрын

Boarding sixth form, then.

And people wonder why for the average "normal" Brit it feels like the cards are stacked against them

I'd suggest a reasonable modification to the proposed VAT on private schools is to add a tax-free allowance. Maybe of £8,000 per year (the approximate cost of a state education). This would put the tax burden on the most elite private schools, but not the more accessible ones. It would also incentivize private schools to keep their fees lower. And to develop models which could be feasibly replicated in state education if they prove successful.

@annepoitrineau5650

16 күн бұрын

Good idea because: if a lot of kids currently in public schools go to state schools, there might not be enough facilities. Nonetheless, these schools have been exposed and must now change.

@andybrice2711

15 күн бұрын

@@annepoitrineau5650 Yeah, a parent sending a child to a private school is essentially saving taxpayers £8,000. So we shouldn’t want to price them out of that completely, or it will be a net loss. Plus it would be unfair to force children to change schools. And to penalize upper middle-class people more than the very rich.

Just one more reason why, thanks to my Welsh heriatage and socialist values, though born in England, l will never identify as English.

This explains a huge amount about Prince Harry.