Here is a comparison between the new Cinema Camera 6K and the BMPCC6K Pro. Which one would you pick and why? Cheers, Flo

@waveland

8 ай бұрын

I will retire my 6K Pro as soon as the CC arrives on my workbench, for the following reasons: I prefer the flexibility of open gate filming and plan to shed all my 16/17:9 cameras over the next year. Internal CFExpress is a huge improvement over strapping SSDs to the rig, plus this frees up the USB-C for networking and upcoming integration with the new cloud workflow. The automatic proxies will also allow me to travel lighter for remote editing-at worst an even trade off with packing NDs. Plus having larger photo sites definitely matters for image quality. Rolling shutter? The difference compared with the 6K Pro seems negligible even at open gate, but what happens when filming 17:9? I bet the difference disappears. The CC 6k is definitely my camera of choice between the two.

@evanthecameraman

8 ай бұрын

​@@waveland Great points! For my workflow, the 6K Pro is here to stay until something better comes along. The internal ND in my niche is invaluable as I am constantly moving from interior to exterior shots. Also, ProRes is the flavor of choice for many companies I currently work with as they are not all familiar or comfortable with BRAW files. The full frame is a welcome addition but I feel is just a stepping stone into the L-mount. The next camera bodies will definitely be more feature packed I'm sure and bring some of those necessities I have into them. But for me, the CC is lacking in a few departments that just don't give it the edge. Cheers!

@waveland

8 ай бұрын

@@evanthecameraman I will deliver ProRes as needed, but much prefer to gather the underlying color data in BRAW. Then fine tune. Then render the required codec. To me it’s a fail safe against operator error.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

@@waveland Totally agree, I shoot BRAW 90% of the time for that reason now.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

@@waveland Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts!! This new cam definitely has a lot going for it.

The biggest improvement was them dropping the work “pocket” 😂.

Man, excited to see the PRO version of the Cine6K FF.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Haha me too, that’d be amazing!!

@A388Flyer

8 ай бұрын

That empty space in the file format/shooting menu beside Blackmagic Raw is screaming for ProRes (or something else to come) in future firmware updates.

@matthewchee

8 ай бұрын

When will its pro version be out?

@Swexicaan

8 ай бұрын

​@@matthewcheeI'd guess a year or two

@loiccardenas3980

8 ай бұрын

It’ll be called the LUMIX S1H II hehehe

Mines on order, cant wait to get it. I already have the 6kPro as well, so its the both of best worlds. 6kpro for outside work with the built in NDs, and inside the 6kCC for shallower depth of field and more image without having to back up against a wall to even try and frame a shot. As a narrative filmmaker, they both fit the bill perfectly. Thanks so much for this comparison.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Congrats!! Thanks for watching and for sharing your reasons for owning the two. Happy shooting!

@ValentinaTheCreator

8 ай бұрын

And or, you can always just buy ND filters as theyre not that expensive, and you'll get a full frame open gate/anamorphic footage without any attachment. nd filters, battery, storage are easily add-ons for me. The only issue is the 6k footage staying at 30 fps whereas the 6k pro at 60fps, of course if you want that shot. Than I'll the 6k pro for that instance.

Always helpful info & experience here -- thanks Flo!

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the positive feedback!!

Really nice video, very well made, precise, and informative, many thanks, Mick.

@OfTwoLands

7 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the positive feedback!!

Who knew engagement would lead to you making a video that answers all my questions! 😂 Thanks Flo! Another great breakdown.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Haha thanks for stopping by ☺️🙏

My one is arriving this afternoon! I am so exited 😆

@OfTwoLands

7 ай бұрын

Woohoo congrats!!

The OLPF is a MUST. I got a Rawlite OLPF for my URSA G2 as soon as it was available. It was a game changer.

Thank you for this comparison. Much appreciated.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!! Thanks for watching ☺️

Having used the BMPCC4K, I can say that I love working with BRAW. Even though the 6K Pro has internal ND's, the Cinema 6K has the OLPF filter which reduces moire and IR pollution. Personally, as a filmmaker, I think rolling shutter has been blown out of proportion. Shots where there is a lot of horizontal whipping left to right would not end up in my edit. Even a whip pan would have RS that 99.9% of your audience wouldn't even notice. If you're only making your content for yourself, then sure, rolling shutter might bother you. But, if you're sharing your content with the outside world, most people would not likely notice rolling shutter much less care about it.

@matthewhartman7176

7 ай бұрын

There's a lot of factors we filmmakers give credence to in order to justify our spending habits that general audiences neither notice nor care about. Rolling shutter is only one of them. The problem with this is that often the most important factor is overshadowed, which is the story. It's truly putting the cart before the horse, but we continue to engage in GAS to fill in the voids of missing skillset. Too much importance on what we're filming with rather than what we're filming. Contrary to popular belief, it's the pros that mostly get caught up in this.

@hellotoddsky

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree with the rolling shutter part. The normal consumer doesn't even know it exists, let alone notice it. Sometimes we sadly get too hung up on quite irrelevant things instead of simply creating. Camera companies use this to make us buy new gear every year even though we don't need it in 90% of the cases.

Hi Flo, very nice video as usual. Many thanks for your great work. I ordered my bmcc6k the same day it was announced. I will be using it alongside S5Il for FF L lenses and adapted EF. Also keeping my bmpcc4k and GH5ll for longer reach, portability and direct live streaming. The NDs on the 6k pro have a magenta shift and I returned it back. Instead using matte box or NISI circular NDs. I am using BM since the OG, I fell in love with the image. I don't mind making any camera work if it gives me a beautiful image. I was considering the 12K, but now waiting to receive my 6KFF with anticipation and I think I will be very happy with it. Take care, George

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for watching and for the positive feedback!! And congrats on the getting the new 6K I think you'll be pretty happy indeed :) Such a beautiful image in such a small body!

This is an incredible review, very detailed and straight to the point, I agree it can be a tough decsion to make but I'm leaning more towards the 6k Cinema Camera, that Full Frame and image quality alone is enough to pursuade me!

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Really glad you enjoyed it, thank you!! The new 6K is definitely an impressive cam :)

Thanks so much for this. SUPER thorough video.

@OfTwoLands

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching ☺️🙏

Great comparison. Tempted to pick up the FF mainly for shooting 4:3 Super35mm. Having a 4K 4:3 image to work from would actually be more useful than the 6K, slightly smaller Super35 sensor of the Pro.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks!! Having 4:3 S35 and 3x2 6K OG in this new camera is pretty cool and very flexible.

Hi thanks for your videos!!! I have one question, how does it look compared to the 6k pro or even to the 4k what you crop the sensor for super 35 on 4k? Does it still keep a better image quality since it would use a larger sensor for the same resolution?

That image pop on the FF is really noticeable, this was incredibly informative.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching :)

I can see this being an additional camera. I currenty own a BMPCC4k and I feel the FF6k to be a great addition to the camera stash. I really could see me using the FF6k as a main and the 4k for B-roll and secondary shots. (for client work I've been doing coroporate interviews) I do love the open gate, it gives me 70mm IMAX film vibes. The field of view with a FF sensor gets me excited also. That's a big drawback for me with the Pocket4k. I use vintage Canon FD lenses and constanly wish I could have a bigger flied of view. The FF6k fits that bill really nice.

@damiansciberras

8 ай бұрын

I am in a real similar position and use the same set up!!

Wow ! Thank you for making and sharing this video, it's really well done and shows clearly the difference between the 2 cameras. But i agree with you it will be a tough choice to make: Personally i'm always drawn to full frame cameras for any applications mainly because FF has better resolution and less noise, but it also simplifies the lens choice and not having to convert focal length in my head before fitting a lens on the body. But When more focal length is needed then of course the smaller sensors have the upper hand. But in this particular case, not having the built-in ND and slower available frame rates just might be a show stopper for me. I'll have to really think about it, but your video will help me decide for sure.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the positive feedback and for watching!! Really is a tough choice for sure.

Great video mate! I just love seeing the L Mount Alliance grow, so many options and having the same mount is just a breezy. Have you tried the Sigma FP?

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks mate!! I haven’t no, I actually considered it as a b cam/travel cam years ago but didn’t pull the trigger.

@loiccardenas3980

8 ай бұрын

@@OfTwoLands gotcha, I'm looking at different options as to what I shall acquire in the very near future, I was thinking of getting the S5iix and pairing it with a FP but with this release from Blackmagic I'm thorn haha. Also, this might just be me but since I don't like filming with SSDs too much I think the addition/replacement of the CFexpress to the BMCC is a top notch addition!

Looking forward to the Pro version of this new camera. Great review and comparison footage! Really puts the full frame into perspective.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks mate!! A Pro version would be amazing, probably needs a new body though.

For anyone wondering, full frame doesn't give you a more shallow depth of field at equivalent focal lengths to Super 35. At 7:57 he shows this by (not quite exact) matching field of view, and showing the same bokeh at 35mm. Only things that changes depth of field is if you change your focal length to match the same field of view or moving the camera to match field of view. That's what's changing the depth of field, not the sensor size.

@lukesauls

8 ай бұрын

Anyways great shots and comparison

@keef69

3 ай бұрын

since the difference is about x 1,84 toward the full frame, you mean that for equivalent bokeh/seperation, you'd need roughly a 90 mm on 6k pro as an equivalent for a 50 mm on a 6k FF, right ? i'm wondering about the 6k FF with a metabones ..

@silas1414

2 ай бұрын

In practice it does change depth of field, but in a kind of counter intuitive way. What changes is the relationship of field of view and depth of field and the end result it produces. Technically the depth of field is the same or near-same for the same focal lengths, but because it is giving you a wider field of view than S35 at the same distance, the end result is you will get a shallower depth of field for the same field of view, because the camera position must be brought back to achieve the same field of view, affecting the depth of field. This is why when taken to the extreme with something like an IMAX capture you get that distinct wide but shallow look.

I just purchased this camera (I was so excited that it was finally available) and it’s arriving in a few days! I have a question for you though. How is the super 35 mode? Does it still retain the same depth of field, image, low noise floor, and lowlight performance as open gate since it’s on the full frame sensor? Basically I’m asking if it becomes a juiced out 6k pro on the super 35 mode, or does the noise floor and problems of the 6k pro start to sneak in?

Good video! Thanks for making it.

I love watching your videos, reviews, and filming. Great stuff. We appreciate you. I already have the 6K Pro, and I need another camera. I'm getting myself more into shorts and narratives. My dilemma is between the FF and Canon R5 C.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!! If you want to get into shorts and narrative I would highly suggest a dedicated cinema/video camera. Getting another BM camera would also makes sense to match the two.

@phanatiksent

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for replying. I also looked at the Nisi Athena Cinema lenses with the BMCC 6KFF. Would that even work being L mount? I'll do that if they become available to rent before committing. Thanks again... the other thing is the color science debate BM vs. Canon @@OfTwoLands

I think it would be nice to compare it to the Panasonic S5 II X because it has an L-mount, it's full-frame, and it can record in ProRes and BRAW. Additionally, it features phase autofocus instead of contrast-based autofocus. At this price point, it might be a deciding factor.

@mabitzz9484

6 ай бұрын

It can’t record pro res…

@Thatsmantas

6 ай бұрын

ProRes RAW only with Atomos Ninja @@mabitzz9484

@Smorfar

3 ай бұрын

@@mabitzz9484it can but only 1080p internally

Ty for this review. Its nice to hear the oros and cons from some one who used both cameras instead of youtubers being salty that black magic didnt give them one early. Ff is the obvious choice for me because it has more variety of choices of lenses to pick 5 then of the 6k pro, which feels like more lens brands are moving away ftom ef mounts every day.

Does the 6K Full Frame include the Gyro data in BRAW files for stabilization?

I don't know if it's gonna be this one. Definitely love that image and i think it's the best looking one i've seen from Blackmagic, but an Ursa body with this sensor, ND, V mount battery, faster processing for rolling shutter. Well that'd just be 😚👌 ...real nice.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Yes it would be!! :)

Very thorough review.

@OfTwoLands

2 күн бұрын

☺️🙏

Can’t wait to get mine!

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Can’t wait to see what you do with it mate!!

Thank you so much ❤

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

No worries, thanks for watching!!

Thank you very much for the comparison. How about low light performance?

Great video - appreciate the effort. One question though - at 2:39sec why was the sensor comparison shown like that. The Ef mount is larger that the Leica mount, but it appears to be cropped in less making the sensor seem way smaller than it supposed to be. Just an observation.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!! I grabbed the images from the actual BM website and they were for illustration purposes hence why I wrote down the real dimensions :)

Hi! Great video! What anamorphic lens did you use on the full frame camera?

@OfTwoLands

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!! Great Joys :)

Really good video!! Just one question not many people seem to talk about, do the lower resolution options imply a windowed/cropped sensor area? Thanks a lot for your efforts :)

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot!! I think anything that is not in 6K (ie s35 4K) has a crop or uses a windowed sensor.

@nebukadnezzar3578

8 ай бұрын

@@OfTwoLandsThanks a lot for clarifying :)

Great comparison, hope to see more. 👍🏻📸☀️☕🌴🌋🏝

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thank you :) !!

Thank you very much for the informative video. God bless.

@OfTwoLands

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching ☺️🙏

Good presentation on the differences between the 6k pro and 6k full-frame!

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!! Glad you liked it ☺️

Love the Video. Getting ready to pick up the Full Frame. Do you know if the Camera Cages that you own are compatible with the new Full Frame 6k? If so do you have a recommendation for a Cage? Thank you and I hope you have a lovely day and happy shooting.

@OfTwoLands

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!! I use the cage from the Pro and it does the job, not perfect though.

can't wait to see low light test/comparison

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

I'll keep that in mind, doing my best to answer everyone's questions with videos and comments :)

Flo - Thanks so much for for this detailed comparison. It is very helpful! Sounds like you really like the image quality of this camera. I know you have shot with the 12k as well. How would you say that the 6kFF stacks up against the 12k for image quality. Thanks again for your thoughts.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for watching!! I haven't shot with the 12K in a while so it hard to say for me. They are both beautiful and above the Pocket line. Maybe I prefer the new 6K because of the sensor size :)

Did they fix the major issues from the previous 6k? The random audio drift? did it get ibis?

Great video. The slimming down of the body is a nice addition but its just still not a big enough of an upgrade to warrant ME picking it up.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!! And that’s fair ☺️

Bro, the shot @3:20 its amazing, that shot alone made me a suscriber lol

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much 🙏🌊

Thanks for the in-depth review! I feel the BMCC 6K is the perfect camera to pair with a Lumix S5IIX. What one lacks, the other makes up for.

Very nice. How about a metabones on the 6k pro .. to have a simulated sensor size of the same height as the FF ? Would it compare nicely, regarding the image uality / separation ?

Thank you @OfTwoLands What about autofocus? That is also a big difference isn't it? How does the autofocus perform on the full frame?

Great comparison. One thing in wondering, is the fan louder or quieter on the FF?

@OfTwoLands

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!! Haven’t noticed a difference so far but I’ve also only used the camera outside.

which one is the better choice for filming Musicvideos? ( i m thinking about purchasing one, but i m not quite sure wich one i should pick) i m a beginner and i m a little bit confused. 🤔

Hi Flo! I was curious if the Tilta cages will fit the new CC6k (from the PC6k non pro)

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Hey, I have no idea actually as I have never used that one :(

Very nice video! May I ask you what lenses did you use for filming in anamorphic? Thanks!

@OfTwoLands

6 күн бұрын

Great Joy / Blazar 1.8x :)

For the benefit of those of us who use the camera for weddings, your next test should be low light at ISO 3200 and 6400. Interested in seeing if it is usable at ISO 6400 like my Panasonic s5IIX. On 6kpro, ISO 6400 is trash. BTW, your film converter is the best. It works great across all the cameras except on Fuji. It's not the best for Fuji, but it's excellent for Black Magic, Panasonic, and Canon. Not sure if I am doing something wrong with it when it comes to Fuji.

@phrasalsyntax

8 ай бұрын

The BMCC 6K FF seems to be pretty good in low light: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lpxl0ZmmiqjSc6Q.html

Hi! Would you still use NiSi IRND on bmcc FF or the new OLPF filter is enough to get rid of IR pollution?

Thank you Flo, great presentation as usual. I'm very curious to see how the Meike S35 lenses would look on this full frame open gate. I'm certain there would be vignetting but how much? Reason for my curiosity is a video done by CVP where Meike S35 lenses were tested on an 8K full frame red camera. There was surprisngly only a small amount of vignetting but was easily fixed with a slight crop in. I am aware there is a super 35 crop mode on the new 6K FF so I wonder how that looks as well. Thanks for your vids and look forward to your next review. Cheers!

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for the positive feedback!! I actually didn't try them since I thought they wouldn't work at all and I have the 6K Pro too but I will have a go asap and see as that would be interesting! Although the image circle on this new camera is massive so I doubt it'll work.

@diazfilms

8 ай бұрын

@@OfTwoLands give it a shot I'd love to know the outcome 👍

I'm surprised they dropped the NDs! I have the 4K and was considering the 6K Pro recently. I'm glad I didn't upgrade.

Thanks for the side by side

@OfTwoLands

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!!

Hey Flo, I heard someone say that for the Pocket 4K, they like to record ProRes HQ HD to soften the image a bit, bc the 4K is a bit over sharpened comparatively. As someone who loves the softer filmic looks of the OG BMPCC, I’m wondering if shooting BRAW in HD would achieve a similar effect on the full frame Pocket 6k (being that it doesn’t shoot ProRes)?

Hi Flo - can you shoot S35 and S16 with the full field of view of the sensor or will those resolutions always record with a crop?

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Hey, I think there’s always a crop with these two!

Loving the Naruto stand ins. Thanks for the video!

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Haha was waiting for someone to comment, thanks for watching ☺️🙏

I currently own two BMPCC 4K's and wish I bought the 6K Pro instead for the internal ND's, higher resolution and bigger sensor. Now I am torn because this camera came out and I want to sell my two 4K's and either get this camera or a used 6K Pro and a good photo camera for time lapses. Which I didn't see anyone post about regarding this camera. Does it have the same Off Speed Recording features as the pocket line?

I was a little underwhelmed with the BMCC 6K…probably because I predicted it to be a true “mini” ursa with a PL mount, internal nds, higher dynamic range, etc. But I own the 6k pro and it still is my dream camera to own. I want to mod it with the PL mount and use cine lenses one day. I think Blackmagic’s target customers for the new cine line fall right under the URSA customers, so maybe I’ll just get to the level of an URSA one day. 😂 Anyway, I was waiting for someone to make this video so thank you.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!! A new mini or micro Ursa would be amazing for sure :)

@peterchamalian5005

8 ай бұрын

As someone who formerly converted a P6K to PL via wooden camera’s conversion system, there’s a few major factors to be aware of that I’d like to warn you of. 1. It’s nearly impossible to re-convert back to EF once converted. 2. The flange in the P6K is extremely shallow, which rules out a lot of PL lenses as they’ll puncture the sensor. I wanted to use super speed mkiis for a project, but after researching and testing, the back of the lens would’ve nearly kebab’d the entire camera. Just wanted to share as these were two pretty significant discoveries of mine.

@SamAxtell

8 ай бұрын

@@peterchamalian5005 Gotcha, good to know. Do you know a good range for the back of pl lenses before they hit the sensor? Since I have a 6k pro, I’d also have to make sure they dont get in the way of the NDs. I believe the channel Film Jams tested a few, but I want to try and find a list of confirmed lenses with the 6k pro w/pl mount.

the footgae shot on these are incredible. especially the Pro. but is a worthy upgrade over the old 6k G2?

something i didnt see covered which im interested in: does the FF have much better lowlight naturally? might also be something to consider for run and gun shooters. Do they both still have gyro for stabilization?

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

I haven't shot in low light yet and from what I can tell based on my experience so fare I think the 6K FF is gathering more light but can't quantify it.

At 7:58, it seems like the new camera have a darker picture, with a slight reddish tint to it. Looking at the skin tone of the figurine, I am guessing that the more neutral color of the old one is more correct. Being able to look at the object and compare it to the picture. Which one is closer to the correct color?

What lenses do you recommed for the FF camera ? Also, would it be good enough for photography ? Thanks.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

I’ll make a video about my recommended lenses once I’ve used enough different ones :). And whilst you can take stills with this cam I always prefer to use a dedicated photo camera or just my phone.

Hey.. think you forgot to compare the low light and noise. I'm curious as the dynamic range is the same BUT does the FF sensor with bigger pixels allow the FF 6K to have better low light?

Looking foreward to BMCC 6K PRO. I hope for 2x cfexpress type B, dual slot recording, NDs and 6K FF at 60FPS

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

That would be sweet!!

Thanks for making this video. Question: How good is the quality of the .H264 proxies?... can they be used as social media clips?

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

No worries, thank you for watching!! The proxies are ok, more to edit with than actually use as finals. Maybe you could use them for socials or to view on phones but they are pretty soft. It depends on the type of footage really. If the footage doesnt require a huge mount of dynamic range then it's actually ok.

@iyobosastudios

8 ай бұрын

@@OfTwoLands Thank you for replying

@iyobosastudios

8 ай бұрын

@@OfTwoLands one more question: what's the estimated battery life, with and without the battery pack extension?

Good review and I am going to buy bmcc 6k seeing your vid. thanks.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks and congrats!! Happy shooting 🎥

8:48 Despite the narrow FOV, I would disagree that "the figurine just pops (on the FF) compared to the 6K Pro". Better separation on the Pro... I would say that pops more.

I think if the 6K FF is sharper, it's because it's making use of more glass. If you only use a small part of a lens for the same pixel resolution, then you're magnifying resolving limitations of a given lens.

Do you have a comparison video of the Canon R5 and BMPro 6k. I was thinking I could use DJI gimbal to get auto focus on the BMPro but idk

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately I do not own or have access to the R5.

Do you think 6k Pro cages (like the Tilta cage) would fit the Cinema 6k?

Please, tell me your secret of sequence settings to get the same frames

how is low light performance on the Cinema Camera 6K? lots of reviews saying 3200 is noisy. Some people on the Blackmagic Forum saying that new firmware has caused issues with low light performance on older cameras. Wondering if it's a firmware bug in the new camera and not inherent of the sensor?

I miss a comparison of performance and noise at certain light levels. I'm assuming the C6K will require less light ergo a higher ND.

Thank You.

@OfTwoLands

4 ай бұрын

☺️🙏

Thanks!

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!!

Hi, 01:49 when you say "in addition", do you mean backup capacity? Cheers

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

I meant you can ‘also’ use external ssds to record and not just use the internal media.

Appreciated but the question is quite simple. If you have the 6k pro and you are going to do a shoot why would you swap it out and choose the FF version instead. Are you going to grab a whole new set of lenses?? No. Shallower dof without auto focus just makes focusing more difficult given this camera has no af compared to say a c70 4d or fx3 fx6?? Landscapes generally dont need more width given a general rule is accessibility. A sharper image sure but the 6k is plenty sharp enough for most use cases and social. If shooting open gate the image will have to be cropped as a deliverable so youll be losing sensor real estate? Shooting outside which is what you seem to do most if the time surely needs nd?? Maybe the internal nd on the pro isn’t good enough?? Shooting anamorphic is the only reason and given how much more weight anamorphics generally are how is this form factor suitable? Likewise it’s unlikely youll want to shoot landscapes with anamorphic because if the distortion. If its for narrative then A kinefinity mavo would make more sense for anamorphic. Locking mounts?? Sdi. The ff pro is still a camera that cannot be shouldered mounted. Not particularly gimbal friendly. As alternatives go unless it had genlock or sdi an olpf doesn’t seem enough of an upgrade despite how obvious a short fall it was without. I cannot see the use case or when it would make sense to carry these two different cameras around. Lenses?? Though some may think that this new model is an improvement it solves none if the immediate issues why so many people have given up on bm. Given you shoot landscape’s and for ljbrary i just don’t understand why you dont use the new 12k with olpf???

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for your detailed opinion. I actually used the same lenses on the 6K FF, just with an adapter. And full frame does help with landscape and depth, that I can confirm. And I don't use the 12k because as a solo shooter I prefer the Pocket body especially when hiking for hours or when traveling.

Would love to see some footage of vintage lenses using open gate like the Helios and Canon FD.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

I just bought an adapter to use my Contax Zeiss :)

You should have tested the field of view in the other recording modes. I'd love to see the Sigma 18-35 in the Super 35 mode in comparison to the 6K Pro.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

I'll keep that in mind, doing my best to answer everyone's questions with videos and comments :)

"Best image from any camera you've owned." Serious commendation. So close to pressing the button on this one!

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Yeah the image from this new sensor is pretty incredible!!

Thans for this video help me to be sure wish one is the best opcion to invest. i have a question. What CFexpress card work with the 6k Full frame?

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!! I have used both the Wise Pro and Prograde Gold without any issues :)

@javierhurtado5812

8 ай бұрын

@@OfTwoLands Thanks i din´t find the info about it and i making the buget for all the thinks i need to the 6k full frame. So a Prograde Gold 1700 mbs type b woud be a good option?

The choice comes down to Internal NDs vs Full Frame sensor. That's a tough call. I'm curious though, why with a full frame sensor, the new BMCC6K is advertised with only 13 stops of dynamic range, the same as the APS-C Pocket 6Ks. My one complaint with image quality in my BMPCC6K is low-light performance, so I would hope the new larger sensor would provide an extra stop in the shadows.

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

It sure is a tough call! To me this sensor gather more light but I haven’t used it in low light yet so can’t really compare. I’ve always find the 6K cameras to be ok in low light and also to be very easily cleaned in post when shooting raw.

@Scriptshepherd

8 ай бұрын

​@@OfTwoLands I agree!

images look crazy good!........i have a a7siii and an fx3 and if I'm not mistaken, the quality seems better! can you tell me if its because you shoot raw or it the color grade???.........good stuff here!👍🏾😎

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!! I haven’t used the Sonys so I can’t really compare but blackmagic has always been known for their image and I’m used to grade it ☺️

Interesting comparison. I'm debating between these two as a personal camera and I'm strongly leading towards the flexibility of the Pro, not just for the NDs but also because of ProRes support. I can definitely see a world in which I would want the Full Frame for certain projects but, to me, that feels more like the type of project I'll be renting gear for anyway. Being forced to shoot in RAW all the time (even with proxies); makes it hard for me to think about his camera as something I can just pick up at a moment's notice and go shoot some B-roll with. Right now the 6kFF feels like a half measure. I really wish they'd included a better form factor, NDs, Pro Res recording if they were going to upgrade. I think a lot of people would have been willing to pay an extra $500 - $1000 for some of these features.

have you tried the in built gryo stabilisation with 6k FF? i use it a lot with the pcc6k camera

@OfTwoLands

7 ай бұрын

I haven't no since I still use IS lenses.

Hi,how do you manage to get decent stabilisation with these cameras?Ther is no stabilisation isn't it?

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Hi, I am used to film handheld I guess :)

6k FF has 0.5 more dynamic range than the pro. Also you can replace the sigma 18-35 with the sigma 24-70. Even though I like to shoot low light anamorphic and there are more options out there for the FF than the pro, I'd wait for them release a upgraded version of FF or at least adding more recording formats. The box format is not 100% required if they just make the camera internally use bigger npf battery.

I know that you use Artlist for your music, but do yo mind sharing the name of the music track used in this video?

I read that the new bmcc 6k has 4 internal microphones. Can you share some details of the same. I love recording moments with my kids, and a good internal stereo microphone would be so good. Thanks

Have you used your vintage lenses with the 6K FF?

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Not yet, but I intend to. Getting an adapter for my Contax Zeiss ☺️

@raees7413

8 ай бұрын

I would love to see what the image would look like with those lenses, looking forward to the next video!

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

@@raees7413 I’m Super curious too! Thanks ☺️

Those open gate shots look like picture frames but that rolling shutter makes the pro seem like the only practical option

Thanks for this video. I can't wait to get this camera. Also, from the video, these cameras will match perfectly. Do you think so?

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!! And yes, I think they will match pretty easily. Even though the 6K FF as more details and depth and a superior image overall they still look similar in terms of colours and general look.

@sitebstudios

8 ай бұрын

@@OfTwoLands Perfect, thank you!

Hi doesn you 6kpro cage fit on the 6k full frame? thanks

@OfTwoLands

7 ай бұрын

Not a perfect fit but it does the job for now :)

The only one thing that I want from BM is Dual card recording. Have a ever experienced any card failures with the 6k pro? Do you use only cast with it?

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

Never experienced any card failure with either of the original 6K or the Pro. I use both CFast and SD with the Pockets but mostly CFast.

@aman681

8 ай бұрын

@@OfTwoLands Thanks for your reply. I use SD cards with my BMPCC4Ks and always fear losing data. Never had a failure though. OCD may be 😁

Wow the 6k FF.. remind me to ori 4k (slimmer) vs ori 6k (bulkier). Any change to test w/native L lens? Not really fans of mount adapter (make it more bulkier).

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

I will test it with a native L lens asap! So far this adapter has been very solid even though I don’t like adapters in general I’ve been very happy with the sigma.

I'm not interested in greater bokeh, most narrative film movies use a S35mm sensor. But, I keep hearing that the full frame's sensor has larger photosites, which give the image a slightly richer, filmic look. If this is so, this camera is incredible. I'm in love with the cinematic quality of the 6k Pro, but I'm very curious to test the image from the FF

@OfTwoLands

8 ай бұрын

The image is definitely above! I will still use my 6K Pro of course but am very impressed by this new sensor :)

@leebrandt8597

8 ай бұрын

@@OfTwoLands Would you say it's true then, that the FF image has a feel that is slightly richer/cinematic? No complaints in that department from my 6k Pro, but this has me intrigued if true. Also, it would be great if we could see a comparison to test both of these cameras clipping point in the highlights

@st.jacques-pierremaximin6109

8 ай бұрын

@@leebrandt8597the word cinematic gets thrown around a lot, cinematographers choose different sensor/film sized based on what the story callas for, hollywood has been built off the back of the super 35 field a view. Wether or not a full frame FOV is better depends on what the situation calls for generally

@leebrandt8597

8 ай бұрын

@@st.jacques-pierremaximin6109 uhm, ok. we already know those things you said, so...