Blizzcon 2005 Warcraft Raid Design

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Panel held on creating a raid for Warcraft.

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  • @SwaggieSteve
    @SwaggieSteveАй бұрын

    Crazy how 2005 was already 5 years ago

  • @Zeldarulah

    @Zeldarulah

    Ай бұрын

    ik and the 90s were 50 years ago 😢

  • @vilhjj

    @vilhjj

    Ай бұрын

    Crazy how it's been 9 years since 2005, how time flies

  • @spliphos8769

    @spliphos8769

    Ай бұрын

    It's insane how he knows how to make a game. Well get a good game someday

  • @Golemoid

    @Golemoid

    Ай бұрын

    We sure have come a long way since then, I can't wait for Cataclysm to relase... in 2010.... which is the current year.

  • @AB-sw4kb

    @AB-sw4kb

    Ай бұрын

    >2005 was six years ago now 😢😢

  • @TheRealPrecaseptica
    @TheRealPrecaseptica8 жыл бұрын

    Notice how this is so much more human. It actually feels like you're being talked to by a person, not some corporate drone.

  • @cp9105

    @cp9105

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Precaseptica I think this was before the video game industry was fully engulfed in the cooperate world, and game developers had a little more freedom of what to say and do before their hundreds of hours of "public relations" training (Such a disgusting industry).

  • @TheRealPrecaseptica

    @TheRealPrecaseptica

    8 жыл бұрын

    cp9105 Absolutely. This is why some indie devs are making waves with their similar attitude to what we did see from some of the triple As in the 00s.

  • @Devilaxes

    @Devilaxes

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Precaseptica I wonder what their reactions would be seeing this now... how far fetched they've become...

  • @TheRealPrecaseptica

    @TheRealPrecaseptica

    8 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, that'd be interesting to see. To be fair, I do believe they know what they've become. There's just no turning back now.

  • @Devilaxes

    @Devilaxes

    8 жыл бұрын

    Precaseptica yeah they are all about that TMT= The_Money_team Overwatch is so casually created simple and lacks depth bland and gets boring really quickly... like why can they not have more raids? Draenor should have had atleast 2 more major raids added to them, and the ones we had should've been slot more difficult.

  • @johnholder2857
    @johnholder28578 жыл бұрын

    Blizzard needs to watch this.

  • @Banom7a

    @Banom7a

    4 жыл бұрын

    i guess they did and which is why they decided to make Wow classic maybe?

  • @NisseCrusader

    @NisseCrusader

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Banom7a He posted that 4 years ago...

  • @bullymaguire9863

    @bullymaguire9863

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@NisseCrusader false it was 5 years ago

  • @laius6047

    @laius6047

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bullymaguire9863 7 years ago

  • @Sonicspell

    @Sonicspell

    7 ай бұрын

    @@laius6047 nah nah .... 9 years pls

  • @McNuggie13
    @McNuggie1322 күн бұрын

    I think the thing that makes this so special is you can just tell by the way he's speaking about the game and all the small things that happen within it, that he actually plays his own game. Absolutely not the case nowadays

  • @Nefarium123

    @Nefarium123

    13 күн бұрын

    a lot of the current devs play the game lol

  • @McNuggie13

    @McNuggie13

    12 күн бұрын

    @@Nefarium123 nope

  • @Nefarium123

    @Nefarium123

    12 күн бұрын

    @@McNuggie13 snupy a rank 1 feral played with a game dev in pvp. look it up, there's a video on youtube. also many devs play mythics and raid.

  • @yoloswag5851
    @yoloswag58512 жыл бұрын

    Watching this 15 years later makes me sad in a way I can't explain. It's almost heartbreaking

  • @bluetech2809

    @bluetech2809

    Ай бұрын

    17 years later, it just feels like the fun has been sucked out of everything. "How we can make the game fun so that you keep enjoying yourself, and as a byproduct keep subscribing" has changed into "How we can extract more money out of people beyond the base subscription"

  • @86Corvus

    @86Corvus

    Ай бұрын

    @@bluetech2809 No, it became " how do we make this thing thats in our game easier to achieve so that casual players can lie to themselves that they are on par with the hardcore gamers and achieved something impressive. " Theyre too stupid to understand that if everybody gets a prize, its no longer a prize anybody wants...

  • @literallyjustgrass

    @literallyjustgrass

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@86Corvushave you ever done a single mythic+?

  • @literallyjustgrass

    @literallyjustgrass

    Ай бұрын

    ​​​​@@86Corvusto be clear, the game is riddled with problems, but "its too easy" isn't one of them, and saying that is just echoing an outdated common statement that hasn't been valid in years

  • @unfound175

    @unfound175

    Ай бұрын

    @@86Corvus It's clear you do not play the current game. There are difficulty tiers. The casual players can experience the story and minimal difficulty dungeons through world content, LFR raids, and heroic dungeons while earning gear that is appropriate for those lower difficulty tiers. Players seeking more challenge have mythic+ difficulty dungeons that can go as high as they are able to push and heroic/mythic difficulty raids. And the gear is higher level and better. The game is as easy or difficult as you make it. If you think the content is easy may I suggest you try pushing into the 3400+ bracket in mythic+.

  • @oliverjensen223
    @oliverjensen2233 жыл бұрын

    This is the Blizzard I grew up and fell in love with. Nerds making games out of passion, making the kind of games they would like to play! When you saw the Blizz logo on the box you just KNEW this was gonna be an amazing game.. How the mighty have fallen.

  • @hazardeur

    @hazardeur

    25 күн бұрын

    blame their audience, which includes you

  • @xValorxSorax

    @xValorxSorax

    25 күн бұрын

    @@hazardeur so edgy

  • @37Kilo2

    @37Kilo2

    14 күн бұрын

    Because it's the same company name, but none of the same employee names. The skilled, talented developers and directors that cared about making good games that players wanted to play, have left.

  • @OrchinX

    @OrchinX

    11 күн бұрын

    The people developing WoW in current year are NOT gamers. In fact, they despise gamers, they think gamers are problematic, they want to worm their way into gamers’ heads and rewire their brain in their own image. The current year devs don’t play games. They tut around the office playing with Koosh balls and having endless meetings about nothing.

  • @dolamrothknight

    @dolamrothknight

    3 күн бұрын

    the early 90's to mid 2000's was the golden age of games. its honestly sad knowing it will never be like that again. EVER. there was so many people who loves games MAKING games. now its corporate people paying DEVS to make a game in a certain time period having to cut corners and features just to release. these devs 99% the time dont work on games they care about or have passion for. and it shows

  • @nitecall
    @nitecall8 жыл бұрын

    Wow, this is the philosophy that propelled WoW into the biggest MMO in the world. Seems like Blizzard has some serious re-evaluation to do.

  • @ItsTryHard

    @ItsTryHard

    8 жыл бұрын

    Indighost Shame MMO's have had their day, people are a bit bored of them..

  • @nitecall

    @nitecall

    8 жыл бұрын

    TryHardGaming I disagree, I think if Blizzard directed more resources towards WoW they could definitely bring it back, but it seems like they're more towards working on Hearthstone or Overwatch nowadays.

  • @Njoekiezoekie

    @Njoekiezoekie

    8 жыл бұрын

    Indighost Blizzard just sold out in order to do a quick cash grab and went away from making a fun and good game in order to milk the customers. They are not even trying to look as if they are trying to make a fun game to the players.

  • @QuintemTA

    @QuintemTA

    8 жыл бұрын

    Indighost They doubled WoW's development team. Their method of development changed for the game when its "creator" Jeff Kaplan who is speaking in this video moved onto other things, wanted to make a new MMO could not get it to work, then ended up building Overwatch instead. A lot of the people that put their heart and soul into WoW moved onto other things (outside Blizz or other teams in Bizz). It shows somewhat, its still a great game in areas but overall it does not have that pull that it once had, unless you love raiding (Like I do) or PvP, its a bit hollow.

  • @MasonMERCS

    @MasonMERCS

    8 жыл бұрын

    Indighost A "Challenge" isn't even in the vernacular of Blizzard anymore.

  • @GerNiels
    @GerNiels8 жыл бұрын

    Jeff Kaplan is actually pretty funny in a nerdy way.

  • @toddsmith1969

    @toddsmith1969

    Ай бұрын

    Ebay comment was funny 😂

  • @maxuli21

    @maxuli21

    Ай бұрын

    Just absorbing loot :D

  • @SentientDumpster

    @SentientDumpster

    Ай бұрын

    @@maxuli21now kicking the “loot absorber” can get you banned for discrimination of player ability.

  • @barahng
    @barahngАй бұрын

    I watch this about once a year to remind me of the glory days of old Blizzard.

  • @yuriib5483

    @yuriib5483

    Сағат бұрын

    post Cata is where I stopped. I'm so happy that they fell off since I was able to break an addiction spell and become well paid professional instead of burning time in wow

  • @overtrist
    @overtrist7 жыл бұрын

    Jeff Kaplan is the man. Fantastic game designer.

  • @Zolkte
    @Zolkte8 жыл бұрын

    This guy knew what he was talking about

  • @heroclix0rz

    @heroclix0rz

    3 жыл бұрын

    Which is why they drove him out.

  • @unexplained_entity7514
    @unexplained_entity7514Ай бұрын

    Man I love this. Genuinely feels like just a bunch of friends sitting round and talking about something they were clearly very passionate about. Also love the shit talking and friendly jabs, that went a huge way towards never feeling like you were being talked down to from corporate higher up types. I miss when we were all just a bit less constantly stoic and serious about everything

  • @stuk5787
    @stuk57875 жыл бұрын

    rip blizz. I thank you for the great experiences you brought to my life. Farewell my friend

  • @Silverheest
    @Silverheest9 жыл бұрын

    The people at Blizz could really benefit from looking at the 2005 Blizzcon, maybe they can get their freakin' shit back on track...

  • @tank2g2

    @tank2g2

    8 жыл бұрын

    ***** Its because the old developers actually played the game and other MMOs

  • @Real_SkyRipper

    @Real_SkyRipper

    8 жыл бұрын

    ***** old developers didn't need to worry about piracy, now a days players look at games and demand they are free, free to paly, free to buy no one wants to spend money

  • @Multimarkredrb

    @Multimarkredrb

    8 жыл бұрын

    tank2g2 I'm pretty sure most of them are still the same devs. Do you think they would make the game if it didnt mean getting loads of money?

  • @Real_SkyRipper

    @Real_SkyRipper

    8 жыл бұрын

    LieutenantVague Q_Q i hate you, i said old 2005 is not old ok i was talking more like the 90's, since we enter a world where everyone has internet and download has become very easy pc gaming can only go for F2P

  • @Blackadder75

    @Blackadder75

    8 жыл бұрын

    +MadLane Sorry that is nonsense, from the late eighties developers had to worry about piracy. I know because I was one of those pirates, as a school boy I copied all my games because I didn't have money. Some distributors even closed shop in my country because there was too much software piracy. And I am from the Netherlands, not from some obscure criminal ex-sovjet country

  • @CJ-M43
    @CJ-M43Ай бұрын

    This guy is pretty good. Blizzard should hire him

  • @Wellshem

    @Wellshem

    24 күн бұрын

    Overwatch players : 💀

  • @scviper

    @scviper

    16 күн бұрын

    @@Wellshem I am not joking: every single time I see Jeff (or even hear his name), my soul hurts, knowing what we had and have since lost...

  • @williamlindstrand8738
    @williamlindstrand87388 жыл бұрын

    How times have changed....Bring back these guys to WOW!!!

  • @Nightstalker314

    @Nightstalker314

    8 жыл бұрын

    +William Deppeler kaplan was part of titan and now dev on overwatch. so not in the near future.

  • @justine8398

    @justine8398

    5 жыл бұрын

    Would be nice except almost all the original wow team either left to another team for another Blizzard game or retired like Chris Metzen did. Also there was 3-4 that were laid off and or fired towards the end of TBC in which they became the creators and developers of "Guild Wars" which was a pretty good success in its own right. There still is Ion Hazzikostas left, who I think is getting burnt out and about to jump ship soon as his Q&A's he's been doing is showing more and more frustration/aggression towards the huge amount of negative feedback from the player/fan base but what can you do, heck I wouldn't be surprised if he started smoking again I bet nobody knew that lol.

  • @vadiks20032

    @vadiks20032

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@justine8398 is guild wars any good in 2021

  • @acetown2263
    @acetown2263 Жыл бұрын

    I miss Jeff, and I miss old Blizz. I know it'll never come back the same, but wow, this is some intense nostalgia for those who were there, even if just for a small bit of time

  • @Drragnorr
    @Drragnorr8 жыл бұрын

    this is so sad to listen to today, seeing what they did with wow.

  • @Devilaxes

    @Devilaxes

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Drragnorr agree man, they are all about the cash business now... overwatch was created to enter the console peasant market to earn peasant casshh

  • @Drragnorr

    @Drragnorr

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Devilaxes maybe, but man that game is so much fun, showed me that blizz can still make good games, maybe the reason why is that is the very same person who speaks on this old video Jeff Kaplan and bunch of other developers left wow development for titan and consequently for overwatch, leaving it to others who brought their bad ideas, trying to pander to whining community on forum, because lets be real a lot of players are also guilty for pushing blizz in this direction not thinking about the consequences

  • @Devilaxes

    @Devilaxes

    8 жыл бұрын

    Drragnorr I never told blizz to fix or balance stuff, I took on everything as a challenge. I also got Field Marshal Rank in Vanilla, I had a premade team and man it was serious stuff, in the top tier team we planned each week which player that was gaining the rank. Because points were handed out based on performance. but obviously people that didnt get high ranks were crying about it beeing too hard. but lets be real, every player can't be top ranks... people need to understand that.

  • @Drragnorr

    @Drragnorr

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Devilaxes yes of course, but there were milions of people playing and those who are not patient, or do not want to invest time, or simply good enough etc. went on started complaining that they "deserve" all the content (I vividly remember it) and even if they were not majority, it was a lot of people. Sadly Blizzard went and provided, not thinking that they will ruin the game by doing this. Which is what I dont understand, and I think some other hand had to force them. Of course the main blame is on developers because they are responsible for this. But still dont understand the thinking, you are developing game for years by yourself, release it and have growing playerbase and then you start to listen randoms on forums how to make your game, what fking logic is that. And you can see it over and over again in other games also. They took away the challenge, progression achievements, socialization and rare and special things from the game, thats why the game is no longer what it used to be.

  • @Devilaxes

    @Devilaxes

    8 жыл бұрын

    People had respect for eachother, almost no scamming, blacklisting on people that were toxic/scammers etc you had 1 name and stick to it, nowdays theres so much of that carelessness yoloswag toxic. I remember contacting the best guilds that might've gotten enchants from difficult bosses etc, the sense of goal playing arena team with arena partners getting that progression from 0- 2200 weapon tier 2. Was a fun and challenging, nothing like it is now...

  • @TheWhisperingPenis
    @TheWhisperingPenis8 жыл бұрын

    Jeffrey Kaplan ladies and gentlemen. The brains behind WoW during its highest growth rate. He quit focusing fully during WoTLK, but was the man behind the questing and the raid Ulduar. ToGC, yeah that was the team thats giving us the raids we have now. We desperately need this guy back, he makes sense when he talks instead of me scratching my head during every new interview with the current Blizz team.

  • @Fearless665

    @Fearless665

    5 жыл бұрын

    He went off to create another baller game, he may be gone but you better be sure whatever he touches turns into gold

  • @youtubesuresuckscock

    @youtubesuresuckscock

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Fearless665 Overwatch was a complete disaster. It was an MMO that went so far off the rails that they had to salvage the assets by making a generic TF2 clone. No individual is really that important when it comes to sufficiently large games. It's a team effort.

  • @YourSweatyUncle

    @YourSweatyUncle

    3 жыл бұрын

    Big Blue Frontend overwatch on launch was a huge success.

  • @jeffsaffron5647
    @jeffsaffron5647Ай бұрын

    Defias Pillager still owning Moonbrook 20 years later.

  • @TheDutchspaceman
    @TheDutchspaceman8 жыл бұрын

    Can someone get the main blizzard dudes to sit down at a table and just watch this? this is what made them great.

  • @martinsgakke
    @martinsgakke8 жыл бұрын

    "We don't want raids to become a numbers game" Well things went down the drain then =P

  • @Cinnamon1080

    @Cinnamon1080

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Gakgaming Raids were always a numbers game.

  • @martinsgakke

    @martinsgakke

    8 жыл бұрын

    Some Thing Then Blizzard failed from launch

  • @Oriontrollsftw2

    @Oriontrollsftw2

    6 жыл бұрын

    Raids have a lot more choices now sooo

  • @NationOfMasturbation

    @NationOfMasturbation

    5 жыл бұрын

    Raids suck

  • @Fingolfin3423

    @Fingolfin3423

    Ай бұрын

    @@Cinnamon1080 Only to a degree. That's the whole point being made here. Raids nowadays - and for many years now - have been about mandatory parsing minimums, scripted cooldown usage, scripted timers, scripted movements. There was MUCH more flexibility "back in the day," and this allowed the guild to focus on having fun through other forms of progression and immersion. All of that is dead nowadays. I speak as someone who played from March of 2005 through June of 2022, having raided all of the content from Molten Core Vanilla up through Sepulcher in Shadowlands. I ran our guild as guild master and raid leader into mythic, achieving various cutting edges. Mythic raiding is, and has been, mostly trash ever since Warlords introduced the format.

  • @brandonrogers60
    @brandonrogers608 ай бұрын

    Damn dude Jeff Kaplan never changed with his love for games and wanting to make fun games for people.

  • @DreyzieArt
    @DreyzieArt8 жыл бұрын

    6:15 - 6:29 LFR in a nutshell

  • @a.7801

    @a.7801

    8 жыл бұрын

    Chris sims It's amazing to see the change of how great of a game WoW was and the vision they had to what it has become now.

  • @TheJuggalo62587

    @TheJuggalo62587

    8 жыл бұрын

    Chris sims yeah also every raid you have on Farm in a Nutshell. keep in mind when this video was created and how different games where back then to now.

  • @QuintemTA

    @QuintemTA

    8 жыл бұрын

    TheJuggalo62587 You can say that to a point about raiding you have on farm, your extra healing and DPS let you phase transition faster, push through the scary bits faster, get that add down faster and get more uptime on the boss. Regardless of this there are some mechanics you still have to follow. I was doing a farm run of HFC on normal (guild trying get set items). We powered through it really fast. The second boss died in 1 minute 40 seconds a little sad, but we were still taking decent damage a few people almost died (I think one may have) because of failure, that almost never happens now in LFR. Another example is a boss further in, we also were destroying it until the last 3% when somebody screwed up a mechanic big time. Out of 16 people only 7 survived, the tanks and out best geared DPS and a healer. Again that could never happen in LFR now. The last LFR boss I remember having being a threat was Durumu in Throne of Thunder who kept (surprisingly) his one shot laser eye beam of doom. These days the one shot mechanics or near deadly mechanics do nothing in WoD LFR. LFR went from easy to super easy range to brain dead. Thus 30 minutes of whatever.

  • @TheJuggalo62587

    @TheJuggalo62587

    8 жыл бұрын

    LieutenantVague Clearly you've never Raided the same boss more then once if that's what you believe.

  • @proshrooms4887

    @proshrooms4887

    8 жыл бұрын

    +LieutenantVague it pretty much does

  • @rageofheaven
    @rageofheavenАй бұрын

    Kaplan, on raid design: "The challenge comes from preparation." Ion: "The challenge comes from recruitment."

  • @senprum92
    @senprum923 жыл бұрын

    The way he talks about the game is similar to how FFXIV developers talk to the players nowadays. Companies should not underestimate how important it is to have people like this leading your game.

  • @Freestyle80

    @Freestyle80

    10 ай бұрын

    companies also understand you people online b*tch and moan about everything they do unless they are some sort of smaller company so they dont give a cr*p anymore learn to be more civil

  • @JackMarcuson

    @JackMarcuson

    Ай бұрын

    @@Freestyle80 ok woke bozo, go back to your gay dragons in Retail WoW

  • @Candywarhol
    @Candywarhol3 жыл бұрын

    You will be missed, Jeff

  • @bsmurf3

    @bsmurf3

    3 жыл бұрын

    Will be missed? I've been missing this guy since MoP.

  • @Candywarhol

    @Candywarhol

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@bsmurf3 Yeah, well said.

  • @webduelist
    @webduelist8 жыл бұрын

    Someone at Blizzard needs to watch this, Nothing said in the video is true anymore :(

  • @Kiloryn
    @Kiloryn8 жыл бұрын

    What the fuck this guy is literally talking about what is wrong with retail. Why did they ever fucking go away from this kind of gameplay?

  • @AICabal

    @AICabal

    8 жыл бұрын

    uwotm8 To attract plebs. Plebs monthly fee is the same as anyone elses :)

  • @z3roo0

    @z3roo0

    8 жыл бұрын

    uwotm8 Money. Make it easier and it will attract more.

  • @Kiloryn

    @Kiloryn

    8 жыл бұрын

    Xorrak well wod was easy and it got 5.6 mil subs? Some games are meant to be easy and simple, wow is not in that category.

  • @theMJL

    @theMJL

    8 жыл бұрын

    uwotm8 Wow has never been hard as far as MMOs go...

  • @TheWhisperingPenis

    @TheWhisperingPenis

    8 жыл бұрын

    Matthew Lepp Yes it was. I mean sure leveling was pretty easy (unless you were a warrior/rogue), but very few games actually required you to follow a skill set with rotations like WoW did. Everquest only allowed 9 spells at a time. The combat was not hard at all, it was more about positioning and utilizing the correct spells. Everquest allowed you to cheese raids by throwing 200 people at a boss meant for 50. WoW forced you to raid a boss properly, for the first time actually. So yeah, it was actually hard as far as MMOs go, it was just more accessible in the sense that leveling/soloing was viable. Group wise, it was harder and required a much more extensive knowledge of every spell you had and to use them properly.

  • @ImNotAMaidL
    @ImNotAMaidL15 күн бұрын

    this feels like a presentation made by 2 guys at max the night before giving the presentation and its so lively and feels like an actual person talking to me about how they approach making the game we love and its amazing. Chris Metzen really does bring an explosive roaring energy to the new presents but this feels like a nervous nerd getting up to present to the class but he still kills it. wish it was still like that today

  • @MisterKnosen
    @MisterKnosen8 жыл бұрын

    6:20 haha Blizzard 2005, if only you could see LFR.

  • @Shiirow

    @Shiirow

    Ай бұрын

    or they realized just how naive half of what they said was.

  • @Red1Green2Blue3

    @Red1Green2Blue3

    25 күн бұрын

    What's wrong with LFR? If it's too easy for you there's Mythic. How many mythic raids have you cleared whilst they were current content?

  • @fardrives
    @fardrivesАй бұрын

    So much transparency. Defining the goals and rules of the game is a beautiful thing.

  • @paijwa
    @paijwa8 жыл бұрын

    Jeff Kaplan knows where it's at

  • @Huxable88
    @Huxable888 жыл бұрын

    0:58 That's why i became so involved in WoW. Saw some dude in Goldshire with awesome gear, wanted to be better than him.

  • @Kiloryn

    @Kiloryn

    8 жыл бұрын

    Sup3villain thats the thing with transmog aswell, you can never really tell if they got good gear unless you inspect them, which is really sad imho.

  • @Otakahunt

    @Otakahunt

    8 жыл бұрын

    they tried to fix something that wasnt broken... vanilla design wasnt broken. Just needed improvements, which tbc brought. But then wotlk tried to fix everything.

  • @kolecava

    @kolecava

    8 жыл бұрын

    uwotm8 thats why you dont transmog the top end gear, often you can easily tell by titles, mounts, tabards or the guild they are in.

  • @Otakahunt

    @Otakahunt

    8 жыл бұрын

    Mister K really? every top end raider ive seen have always had transmog. Sometimes opposite class mythic transmog but still... they dun wear their gear with pride these days.

  • @kolecava

    @kolecava

    8 жыл бұрын

    Otakahunt if you want everyone to see your special snowflake gear as it was made out to be by the other guy then no, you dont tmog. I prefer to rock my T3 sets and other Paladin sets instead of the Cata+ gear which is usually horrendous outside of weapons. The game has gone downhill, without a doubt. Its Pinnacle being WotLK.

  • @povisykt
    @povisykt3 жыл бұрын

    What a great time it was, good luck Jeff.

  • @icecatti
    @icecatti8 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for uploading this holy shit. This is an important video.

  • @nsokoloff
    @nsokoloff8 жыл бұрын

    This is so cool to see - I hope great devs come together once more in my lifetime to create an epic original game like this was at the time.

  • @NoConsequenc3

    @NoConsequenc3

    8 жыл бұрын

    Find a group to play D&D with :)

  • @dylon4862
    @dylon48625 жыл бұрын

    JEFF, MY SWEET, SWEET JEFF. COME BACK TO US.

  • @Outwardpd
    @Outwardpd8 жыл бұрын

    This is the way WoW SHOULD be, too bad they've turned it into a child's mini-game.

  • @TehDubster

    @TehDubster

    8 жыл бұрын

    Durrr Annn Times change

  • @Jay0253

    @Jay0253

    8 жыл бұрын

    TehDubster Ayy lmao

  • @Nnyco_

    @Nnyco_

    8 жыл бұрын

    Durrr Annn lookin at youtube comments and forums, the community sure acts like children

  • @CryOverdage

    @CryOverdage

    8 жыл бұрын

    TehDubster times change sure, tommorow is not the same as today, but who changes it? yep blizzard. is a game doomed to be a bad after some time? Blizzard decides. Not time.

  • @TheWhisperingPenis

    @TheWhisperingPenis

    8 жыл бұрын

    TehDubster They change alright, sometimes for the worse. The idea is to change for the better.

  • @lukavorkapic6074
    @lukavorkapic60748 жыл бұрын

    This is the time when Blizz was sorry for mistakes and amazing in all ways.

  • @Batemann1980
    @Batemann19808 жыл бұрын

    Makes me so sad watching this. I want this world of Warcraft back

  • @Scareface612
    @Scareface6123 жыл бұрын

    GG Jeff Kaplan. I hope your future endeavors after leaving Blizzard shall be the best you can make it!

  • @blacksky755
    @blacksky7553 жыл бұрын

    Sad he had to leave what a legend.

  • @Expl0rati0n
    @Expl0rati0n8 жыл бұрын

    I wish Jeff Kaplan would go back to the WoW team and lead it. He knows how to make a fun MMO, he understood why people were hooked. Also I'd like to add that this presentation seems so much more personable, down to the players level of understanding. These days they seem jaded and uninspired. Example: 14:00 he admits they did something wrong! Has Blizzard done that in the last 8 years?

  • @nirv
    @nirv8 жыл бұрын

    How did you get this video? I can't find it anywhere else on the internet and I'd like to get the full thing regardless of size. Does it exist?

  • @Kalianos88

    @Kalianos88

    8 жыл бұрын

    nirvgorilla I actually got this from the Burning Crusade collectors edition dvd. They had a section for Blizzcon 2005. So I decided "what the hell?" and uploaded everything.

  • @newjerseyjustin

    @newjerseyjustin

    8 жыл бұрын

    Kalianos you sir are a legend

  • @nirv

    @nirv

    8 жыл бұрын

    Kalianos Oh crap you're right. I have the ISO.. on my hard drive right now and for some reason never even went to the Blizzcon menu there. Thanks!

  • @Scooty.
    @Scooty.8 жыл бұрын

    Holy shit.. I really miss the old Blizzard. As a person who started in WoD and seeing all this Legacy server stuff and seeing the 'old' blizzard, really makes me wish I could have played back then.

  • @QuietDuplicity

    @QuietDuplicity

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Not Scooty Kronos-wow google it.

  • @Scooty.

    @Scooty.

    8 жыл бұрын

    Will do.

  • @fahsky
    @fahsky7 жыл бұрын

    Proof Jeff Kaplan has been awesome, charismatic & endearingly nerdy for a long, long time.

  • @Macho_Fantastico
    @Macho_FantasticoАй бұрын

    It's so depressing to see the Blizzard of 2024 to what they were like here, they seem so much more likeable and human. Jeff leaving Overwatch pretty much killed that game for me, his vision and direction shaped that game. I don't blame him for leaving though, it's just sad.

  • @Red1Green2Blue3

    @Red1Green2Blue3

    25 күн бұрын

    What do you mean? The philosophy behind raids he describes here is basically the same. Raids are more mechanic based than they've ever been. Ironically people complain about too many mechanics and not enough tank and spank (which he's advocating against).

  • @Navak_
    @Navak_7 жыл бұрын

    I disagree about the smaller raid size. I love 10 man raids because they are personal in the way he was describing, but 20 and 25 man are still too big to have the raid feel like a collection of individuals. 40 was a better raid size. Very interesting social dynamics grew out of having so many people. For one, it was unrealistic to expect 100% attendance from people when you had a 40 man raid. It just wasn't going to happen. So it allowed for the possibility of alternates, and also lessened the expectation on each individual player to maintain a deathly serious commitment to their raid schedule. People like flexibility. For two, with a guild that size systems like DKP made sense, which created a totally different atmosphere within the guild than loot council. DKP makes the guild feel more equitable and like a business, where even the leaders themselves are not above the law. Loot council feels like an unequal collection of people where the officers are the power structure. It's almost feudal. For three, having a guild that size allowed you to be exposed to more people. There were always nutty and interesting people in my 40 man guilds, and often they were not the best players. But we all enjoyed raiding more because of them. When the raid size was trimmed, those people who couldn't make the cut were the first to go.

  • @Spamkromite
    @Spamkromite8 жыл бұрын

    A patch every 3-8 weeks. Man, missing the good days.

  • @theMJL

    @theMJL

    8 жыл бұрын

    Zekromite Metalworks Thats not what he said and thats not how it was. He said testing patches was 3-8 weeks... You clearly werent apart of the "good days" or if you were take off your rose tinted glasses for reference wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patches/1.x

  • @centrihd

    @centrihd

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Matthew Lepp still,retail is garbage

  • @theMJL

    @theMJL

    8 жыл бұрын

    Passing opinions as facts

  • @centrihd

    @centrihd

    8 жыл бұрын

    its ok man, you are getting more garrison and mission table action, enjoy it :) and ill enjoy my world pvp and player interactions without flying mounts, everybody wins.

  • @theMJL

    @theMJL

    8 жыл бұрын

    Salty response.. never mentioned enjoying garrisons.. Does your idea of player interaction include adding to the communities toxicity as you have to this conversation?

  • @Batemann1980
    @Batemann19807 жыл бұрын

    "The world feels bigger if there's unbeaten content" it really does I miss this game

  • @BeverlyHighland
    @BeverlyHighlandАй бұрын

    This game is going to be huge!

  • @hasjtrackers
    @hasjtrackers8 жыл бұрын

    Haha what happend to these guys? Laughing but i don't think its is actually funny but very very sad :(

  • @Kalianos88

    @Kalianos88

    8 жыл бұрын

    +GAB GAB He went to do project titan, now Overwatch.

  • @Sijuste0

    @Sijuste0

    8 жыл бұрын

    +GAB GAB All the smart people who had good ideas went to Titan.

  • @kafosoo

    @kafosoo

    8 жыл бұрын

    +GAB GAB Men in suits, mate.

  • @pap4339

    @pap4339

    8 жыл бұрын

    Money happened to these guys.

  • @someone-ji2zb

    @someone-ji2zb

    8 жыл бұрын

    +GAB GAB Blizzard/Activision is a massive publisher,. and like all massive publishers they tend to not care about their fans anymore and learn to cut corners while still making money. That has yet to ever change, so don't expect it to when the CEO is making out like a bandit and the current devs are prideful scumbags who wont even apologize for obvious mistakes and rather shift blame to players not preferring certain things. Yet here we have this guy actually saying sorry for obvious flaws with BWL. It is all such a huge joke now. Lack of logic and too much pride mixed with greedy corporate scumbags who no longer care to reach out to the fans that made them what they are.

  • @josephpettinato9968
    @josephpettinato99688 жыл бұрын

    thank you so much for this video.

  • @HammerDownIT
    @HammerDownIT4 жыл бұрын

    I forgot this young Jeff , beautiful. And beautiful times..

  • @OneMileWonder
    @OneMileWonder4 жыл бұрын

    Such a wonderful commentary. This philosophy made the game magical for me, so many years ago...

  • @cablepp
    @cablepp8 жыл бұрын

    So enthusiastic and the humor is right on spot.

  • @giga.s.o.p
    @giga.s.o.p5 жыл бұрын

    2005: soul 2018: soulless

  • @Shartox
    @Shartox5 жыл бұрын

    Oh gosh... no wonder world of warcraft felt much more compelling back in the days

  • @trl2151
    @trl215128 күн бұрын

    I miss this design philosophy. I feel like it peaked in TBC / WOTLK after a great rise in Vanilla.

  • @SilentEraEU
    @SilentEraEU8 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for uplloading this Kalianos ! Looking at these vids, blizz there view on things defo have changed, but sub losses and the exploding forums speak for themselves.. just wow...

  • @2thezaza
    @2thezaza28 күн бұрын

    youtube recommended me this while Im raiding in dragonflight

  • @Saii158
    @Saii158Ай бұрын

    when games were made for nerds BY nerds

  • @freakjob0
    @freakjob0 Жыл бұрын

    Man do I miss Jeff Kaplan in Wow.

  • @LufiXx
    @LufiXx8 жыл бұрын

    watching this makes me kinda sad actually ... :(

  • @oceandreams9625

    @oceandreams9625

    5 жыл бұрын

    LufiXx Same ;(

  • @AILorer
    @AILorer6 күн бұрын

    "...or e-bay or something" What a legend

  • @cruros9084
    @cruros9084Ай бұрын

    This is so awesome to listen to.

  • @CuthiePatootie
    @CuthiePatootieАй бұрын

    20 years later and fans asking the same exact questions and getting the same answers

  • @Kagarin05
    @Kagarin0510 күн бұрын

    Jeff was such a great guy I hope he comes back too

  • @rebeka145
    @rebeka14515 күн бұрын

    Raiding with guild is what is the most special about this MMO. It got me hooked, I spoke with people in english for the first time in my life with someone from another country. It was so amazing I love video games

  • @bronzeownsu5
    @bronzeownsu58 жыл бұрын

    "we want to challenge our players to feel like they actually accomplished something" >implements lfr.

  • @NoConsequenc3

    @NoConsequenc3

    8 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, Blizzard didn't understand why WoW did so well and ended up turning it into a single-player game

  • @manwalkful

    @manwalkful

    6 жыл бұрын

    "we want to challenge our players to feel like they actually accomplished something" > 1 skill rotation in classic

  • @Ixiah27

    @Ixiah27

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank Activision.

  • @punishedsneed
    @punishedsneed15 күн бұрын

    "People will ask us, 'Why should I care about raid content? I'll never raid.' And then they contradict themselves because they usually end up going to a Zul Gurub run and coming out with one or two pieces of loot that they're really proud of and then they want to raid even more." Absolutely peak. I was like maybe 9 when I was in my first raid group because my cousin made an account for me and leveled a Warlock to 60 so I could go into Outland with him when I got my PC for Christmas from him just before The Burning Crusade came out a few weeks later. I remember doing a Karazhan run as a Destro Lock, just chunking huge damage and feeling really good. I walked out with three pieces of loot. Those pieces of loot still exist in that toon's bank to this day. I will never delete them. I could go back and get them again by just farming Kara, whatever. But those specific pieces of loot from 2007? That Brooch of Unquenchable Fury and the Nathrezim Mindblade and Tirisfal Wand of Ascendancy that I ROLLED for and won? Those transcend just being pixels in a game. Those are memories. And I got them again in TBC Classic on my Destro Lock. Yeah, the old content is slower and kinda tedious and not as challenging. But it'll always be home. Even if I am an unrepentant shill for Cata being way better than people give it credit for and MoP being the best expac ever.

  • @Condeycon
    @Condeycon8 жыл бұрын

    Wow, the difference in presentation, in their attitude and overall design philosophy is all so different to what WoW is now. Every potential 'issue' with making the game less accessible and more of a time investment is actually a bonus to the people designing Vanilla. As opposed to what WoW is now where LFR has streamlined the world out of the World of Warcraft.

  • @thequestbro
    @thequestbro8 күн бұрын

    I miss 40 man raiding so much. I remember every single raid night, inside joke, and the social pecking order of my old guild.

  • @a4vlli
    @a4vlli5 жыл бұрын

    Passionate developer, which we need back for WoW classic and probablly other MMOs

  • @banan19860
    @banan198606 жыл бұрын

    Kaplan, you're an inspiration to what WoW needs to be like!

  • @Achille12345
    @Achille123458 жыл бұрын

    When Blizzard truly cared about the game... FeelsBadMan (With a fucking Minigun)

  • @HansMoleman.
    @HansMoleman.19 күн бұрын

    This reeks of love and passion.

  • @WhiteUnicorn72

    @WhiteUnicorn72

    19 күн бұрын

    I love it so much, big vibes

  • @jorgefierro8241
    @jorgefierro82415 жыл бұрын

    If we could turn back time, to the good ol' days.

  • @kent-ingestensen5371
    @kent-ingestensen537117 күн бұрын

    This is the closest we get to a time machine, being able to go back and watch the glory days in a video

  • @FGazi-qf1hp
    @FGazi-qf1hp8 жыл бұрын

    This is really awesome.

  • @Shokisan1
    @Shokisan1Ай бұрын

    This is wonderful

  • @realPandarama
    @realPandarama6 жыл бұрын

    a time where blizzcon was full of heart!

  • @kupwav
    @kupwavАй бұрын

    Damn, this is so good.

  • @slashur99
    @slashur99Ай бұрын

    "Something to aspire to" This is a facet of the game that has been absolutely gutted to appeal to the people who think everything should be for everyone.

  • @samuelaubrey2612
    @samuelaubrey26125 жыл бұрын

    "the world feels alot bigger if there's unbeaten content out there".................. then you have LFR!

  • @MegaMac464
    @MegaMac4646 жыл бұрын

    Holy shit its young papa Jeff. Also damn I really wish blizzard would go back to this "only the best of the best" mentality for end game content, it makes it feel more like a legend when you hear of a guild beating a raid on your server

  • @jtank7107
    @jtank71078 жыл бұрын

    wow devs need to watch this.

  • @DraphEnjoyer
    @DraphEnjoyer8 жыл бұрын

    2005 A team of scrawny nerds making a game for other nerds 2015 Skeleton crew of diversity hires under corporate thumb making a game they don't even play. "Blizzard should watch this video" There's probably a very sad man who sits at his desk every day and just for a brief moment puts his head on his desk and breathes a heavy sigh. He then must muster up the will power to sit up and finish the model for the latest cash shop mount.

  • @dailyblunts3935

    @dailyblunts3935

    8 жыл бұрын

    +MrZurata This hit me hard man...

  • @Silverheest

    @Silverheest

    8 жыл бұрын

    +MrZurata Plot twist.. MrZurata is a Warcraft dev

  • @gladiatorgaming1759

    @gladiatorgaming1759

    6 жыл бұрын

    Amen..

  • @Naeinsengimnida

    @Naeinsengimnida

    6 жыл бұрын

    This is so true, nowadays everyone is a so called "gamer" Like most of the words today it lost his meaning

  • @Green.n.Purple

    @Green.n.Purple

    6 жыл бұрын

    "literally screaming", huh?

  • @zuklar
    @zuklar5 жыл бұрын

    Most of these comments are 2 years old... Now during the mess that is Battle for Azeroth... the words of Jeff Kaplan are wrenching my heart... :P

  • @lydon5595
    @lydon5595Ай бұрын

    WoW with 1 year alpha testing: "WoW was so polished on release, because we had a lot of time to test it" Crowdfunded MMOs after 6-8 years in early acces: "This year we are going to add new models from the unreal asset store, and you can pre-purchase new transmog and ingame items"

  • @SirPietu89
    @SirPietu8910 ай бұрын

    God I miss the good ol' days when there was still passion involved...

  • @karlkoks22
    @karlkoks22Ай бұрын

    Once upon a time there was an awesome company named like an icy storm 😢 so sad

  • @BulbaSaruman
    @BulbaSaruman8 жыл бұрын

    Oh the irony hurts on this one

  • @MeetInBed
    @MeetInBedАй бұрын

    current classic wow team should rewatch this for sod/classic+ lol, completely went the other way, especially phase 3

  • @muhamed7495
    @muhamed74958 жыл бұрын

    we should spam blizzard with this video

  • @patrykpryce
    @patrykpryce3 жыл бұрын

    Ion and co, need a watch of this to remind and learn of how to do things right.

  • @real4o
    @real4o7 жыл бұрын

    i want to blizz make things look like this again....

  • @JacksonFrench-mv3gz
    @JacksonFrench-mv3gzАй бұрын

    What a great game we USED to have

  • @phugindomas
    @phugindomas2 жыл бұрын

    Back in the day when blizzard actually initiated and loved player and fan interaction

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