Awesome to finally see the new spunding valve in action, I ordered one this week from Great Fermentations and I can’t wait to try it out. I own two Cornicals and two extra kegs. First off, I bought my first Cornical two years ago because of the small footprint of the system. I too have a basement brewery, but it’s relatively small (10’x6’), about the size of a walk in closet. I have a large 36”x24” commercial sink and 24”x24” nsf side table, a wire shelving unit, a rolling toolbox, a shelf with a grain mill and a 5 gallon Blichmann BrewEasy all packed into the room, so the less room that a a fermenter takes up, the better. At one point early on I hade a True GDM refrigerator in the room for lagering but I found that when the refrigerator ran it kept the inside at the proper temp for lagering, but it heated up the small room into the high 70’s and sometimes low 80’s, which was problematic for the ales I had in my SS Brewtech Brew Buckets. I sold the fridge and made my own spunding valve and I was blown away at the quality of the lagers I was able to produce using Safelager 34/70, all while going grain to glass in about 14 days at 0.5 bar (about 7 psi). Yes, the beer is cloudy but it’s nothing that some gelatin or other fining agent can’t clean up. Another comment about the system that I often read online is the left over krausen ring inside of the keg when serving. Again, adding some sort of antifoam such as FermCap will help prevent this. It’s nice to see that your experiment showed that flipping the Cornical and changing out the conical bottom for the keg bottom showed little oxygen pickup as that has been my perception from a sensory standpoint. I think the greatest thing about the Cornical is how easy it is to clean, one as a fermentor, but in particular as a keg. The system breaks down and really lets you get in every nook and cranny which is something no other keg or conical can say with as much confidence. Yes, the price point is higher than other kegs and conicals, especially when you would need to buy an extra keg to really get the best bang for your buck, but the quality is what you would expect from a Blichmann product so it’s built to last. While it may not be for everyone, this product is perfect for me and my little home brewery. So much so, I purchased a second one last fall. At $399 I might have to pick up another.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Awesome sounding setup you have!! It is super easy to clean I may have to do a follow up on it as some people are asking for sone more details. The price is right for sure! 👍🍻

@Dre4mTheBay415

Жыл бұрын

I thought you dumped yeast before transfer but it seems instead you use racking arm to transfer out of side and then dump yeast out of bottom. Makes sense why it is better to have 2 kegs as you say!

Interesting hybrid/combo product. Nice job covering it. As for the oxygen bubble, I used to have the same concern with the Catalyst, FastFerment, and Fermentasaurus when changing the trub jars, but in hindsight was no issue at all. It was like you said. The large bubbles passing through quickly and out had no discernible effect on the flavor or longevity. I’d expect the same here too. I was concerned about the extra trub floating around post “kegging” too. I like a clean keg to package my beer.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah! That is my main objection as well I like to transfer clean beer to the keg! Cheers Larry! 👍🍻

By the way Brian, your video's are incredibly detailed and extremely helpful!

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! I try!! Cheers! 👍🍻

Great review, I ferment in modified corny and Sankey kegs. Using spunding valves and custom cut and angled liquid tube outlets I am able to pressure ferment and do closed transfers all for less than $100 a unit. The Sankey units cost a bit more but they make a ball lock conversion as well. They are easy to use and the end product is great tasting clear beer. Will be brewing a SMASH NEIPA this weekend showcasing the hop from Yakima called Sabro. Fingers crossed it taste like those candy peach rings!

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! Sounds like you have a good solution for your fermentation needs. Lots of people use kegs to ferment in. If you don't care about dumping trub it is a great option! Cheers! 👍🍻

I ferment my 10 gal. batches in conical and control my temp in a fermentation room, so I don't think I am a candidate to buy a cornical even if I am sold to almost anything Blichmann put on the market... Very instructive video, like all the others. Thank you for your work.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you have a nice system!! Thanks for the comments! 👍🍻

Interesting concept, see they were pushing the barrel with some innovation. It's great to see the ideas, loved the reveiw great as always. 😀🖒🖒🖒

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah it has been around for a while but not gotten much ores at all. Thanks for commenting! 👍🍻

I love the idea of combining vessels. Unfortunately it's often not done well enough to my standards. This product, however, looks like a great item, and I think I'm adding it to my shopping list. Thank you for the review!

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

2 жыл бұрын

Your welcome! 👍🍻

Great review and very informative! It is an interesting concept.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Cheers! 👍🍻

cheers Brian - looks like an interesting product. I share your concerns over the oxygenation when opening the keg. My only suggestions about what you could do to better test the change in oxygen would be 1) take a "before transferring" sample and then compare with the 'post transfer' sample, and 2) as you said, big bubbles take longer to absorb into the beer than little bubbles, I would vigorously shake the keg for a few minutes to try and absorb any oxygen into the beer. I believe this is what they do in commercial breweries when testing for DO (but only use one bottle as a sample).

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Ok, thanks for the suggestions! Cheers Andrew! 👍🍻

Really great and very informative content Brian. I see you got afew dislikes on this video, crazy. How could anyone not like this?! I still do not understand why you dont have 100k plus subs.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Lol thanks David.. I don't even bother looking at the thumbs down.. I can't imagine 100,000 subs.. Can you imagine the thumbs down on that!! Lol Cheers David!! 👍🍻

@TyinAlaska

2 жыл бұрын

I'm right there with David. You've been around for a while now too. But hey, I'm still watching. Great reviews. Succinct yet in depth.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tylor! 👍🍻

Great review Bryan. I agree with Stass. Maybe a reading before and after kegging will give a more accurate result. Would I buy one, probably not. Like you said, I like to keep the yeast and trub out of the keg with a thorough cold crash before kegging and the problem would be even worse if you were dryhopping as well. Cheers

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Yep I agree Chris! I'm going to run a few more batches through it and see how things go as a fermenter. Cheers Chris! 👍🍻

DO numbers will start to drastically lower due to the oxygen reacting with the beer the longer you wait. You need to test the beer within 3 hours of a “transfer” in order to get accurate numbers. A better test would be to test the beer pre flip and post flip. Therefor you are getting the same numbers from the same baseline. Keep up the good work love your videos.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip, might be worth redoing the test for sure! Thanks for the comments!! Cheers! 👍🍻

@ryankale7960

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. After I filter into and force carb a brite tank, I do DO readings throughout the carb process with a CBox. Then packaging does a reading the next morning and regardless of how good or bad my numbers were that day, the DOs are always around or under 0 less than 24 hours later after reacting with the beer overnight

awesome video informative clean display of information

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍🍻

If you connect some CO2 to the top of the Cornical when you're dropping the cone (aka trub dumping), there would be no oxygen introduced into fermenter, meaning there would be no oxygenation issues before and during the flip. You can just hook your CO2 to the gas post on the corny. The issue with oxygenation when you take the base off is still there though, but at least you're not shaking/flipping the fermenter at that point in time. One issue with this though is that you can't use the tubing on the sample valve to measure the beer level, cause the CO2 will just blow beer out of the valve and tubing. You'll have to have some other beer level indicator, like the Ball and Keg beer level indicator. It might be better to flip the fermenter when you're just a few points away from terminal gravity so the yeast is still slightly active and can eat away the oxygen that gets introduced when you take the bottom off. And, when you're doing IPA's, you'll need to open the fermenter anyway to do dry hopping, so doing it right after the flip is a perfect time as long as you bag your hops. The hops will remain in the keg when you serve though, but keg hopping is pretty standard practice in homebrewing. As for cooling, one option is to buy a 1.5" TC cooling coil, like the BrewBuilt CoolStix, and stick it upside-down on the bottom of the Cornical. You could replace the butterfly valve with the cooling coil if you don't care about dropping the cone. Or, you could buy a 1.5" TC tee, connect the butterfly valve and cooling coil to the tee, and stick it to the bottom of the Cornical (though you won't be able to get all of the trub out in this case due to the shape of the tee). You'll also need to angle the racking arm so it doesn't obstruct the cooling coil. Lastly, you can buy a keg lid with a thermowell, a neoprene keg parka, and a fermwrap heater to wrap around the cornical to have full temp control and insulation. The only issue with this is, when you do the flip and detach the bottom of the Cornical, you'll have to pull the cooling coil out with it, meaning there might be more oxygen introduced than if you didn't have the coil.

Great video!

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting! 👍🍻

Thanks for an informative video. But for a cheaper option, I think you could ferment in a corny keg and push out a pint of yeast from the bottom after a few days. Then add dry hops to the keg when there's a little yeast left to eat O2. Also attach the spunding valve at that time. My guess is that oxygen will be minimal that way.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Yes there are lots of different ways to get the result. Some people like to dump the trub. Others do that care. Tha is for commenting! 👍🍻

I had the thought that this system would be good for a minimalist brewer. One vessel to do both ferment and serve. 🍻

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah that is a solution for those that may not brew as often.. Cheers!! 👍🍻

@PiGnarSquared

3 жыл бұрын

I ferment in a Fermzilla All Rounder and you can serve directly out of it with the pressure lid. 70 bucks vs 300. Seems like no contest to me. I end up doing a closed transfer into a keg just so I can get another batch fermenting ASAP.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

3 жыл бұрын

That works! 👍🍻

I feel like you could do an oxygen purge before doing the flip... making it so that the bubble that travels through the beer is CO2. I think the biggest downside to this product is all the trub left in the beer. I would be curious to see if anyone can serve clear beer from this system.

I never got one for the fact it wouldn't fit in my chest freezer. Having the high price was a downside also, but there wasn't anything in its class when it came out besides the huge conical which are just too big for my needs. Right now I use 2 ss brew buckets for my fermenters, I love how east it is to fill my kegs with them and how easy they are to clean. The only downside so far is the orings sometimes leak a little if you don't have them tight enough or if you over tighten them, which can be a pain to get just right. In the future if I were going to upgrade I would go with the new Spike Flex line, they look really cool with all the options and they will fit in the chest freezer. Thanks for the review but I would like to see Blichmann jump into the market with something like the Spike Flex to really get my interest.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

I hear you!! Blichmann?? Are you listening.. Lol.. The anvil brew buckets are pretty nice though. 👍🍻

This might be a good vessel for pressurized or regular fermentation without the conical part. Just the keg with the ferment top whereas you can put spunding valve on it or blow off with the added benefit of removing the bottom for ease of cleaning.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

4 жыл бұрын

I like the conical part quite frankly. Let's the yeast drop and the racking arm works well. 👍🍻

I haven't paid much attention to this product and I ferment in kegs. Like u I like the idea of a conical fermenter with all the options they offer but 1. It seem like so much work to swap from fermenter to keg and back. 2. I do not like the cloudy product it gave you. (Only 1 experiment so maybe it won't always give cloudy results) As always thanks for good info!

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Sure!! I will continue using it as a fermenter for sure!

Nice review :). Wondering if the oxygen was from the headspace of your fermentasauras. It would be good to compare ferment in a keg and ferment in the cornical 👍

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Someone pointed out that the fermentasaurus is a plastic vessel and will allow a small amount of oxygen through it. I did not even think about it at the time of filming. I will be doing a follow up to this video as I have learned some more about testing for oxygen from several comments. Also a few people would like to see more on the use as a fermenter. Would be good to compare with another vessel that is stainless too! Cheers Mickey! 👍🍻

Great video review, I have a couple of follow up questions. I also have a 2nd gen fermzilla and always struggle to get a proper seal for pressure fermenting. Given the Conical appears to be the cheapest alternative on the market (especially SS), I am contemplating primarily using this as a fermenter, pressure transferring to my existing keg. This said, I suppose I could use my existing kegland spunding value from the fermzilla, correct? Similarly, would you know if I could also detach the keg tube and use the ball/hose that comes with the fermzilla? The Conical would also give me the option to have a second brew kegged if I can't finish the first one fast enough👍

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

Жыл бұрын

I think that both would work. Let me know if you try it. 👍🍻

Hi Brian! I’m still waiting for my spunding valve for pressure ferm! In the mean time, do you have any suggestion for how tight the racking arm should be? I seem to consistently get a leak when it’s rotated… any tips??

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

3 жыл бұрын

Use some keg lube on the seal and tighten it down pretty tight and it should still rotate. 👍🍻

Interesting results. Was the Cornical not capable of drawing off the yeast and trub well enough? You mentioned yeast in solution. To your point about the yeast consuming extra O2 overnight; wondering if a gravity check would have answered that question. Would be interested to see more testing on the O2 in solution not just with the Cornical but with open and closed transfers.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

It was definitely done fermenting. It was in there for 20 days and the final gravity was 1.008 I think with the yeast and trub, even with a cone bottom you still have a little sticking to the sides of the cone. The other facts was that fermenting under pressure imparts some carbonation and all those bubbles coming out of solution undoubtedly scrubbed the yeast off if the sides as well. I will have the meter for a little longer so I will attempt some more experiments! Cheers! 👍🍻

@timothybaker8922

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Yeast wouldn't consume any more oxygen at that point in your process. They use it during the growth phase and any oxygen introduced after that, even if the yeast are still active, will still be present in the final product. If I had to guess, I would say your other fermenter looks plastic, which is slightly permeable to oxygen. I would bet if you used another stainless or glass fermenter that you would end up with a lower ppm. Still, that level of O2 is not enough to really matter.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

@@timothybaker8922 Yes! someone else pointed that out. Also it did lose its pressure after fermentation. I did not realize until I did the transfer. So that makes perfect sense!! Good thing you all are watching me!! Lol Cheers Timothy! 👍🍻

Would a second "trub purge" at end of fermentation and before carbonation get rid of all the trub, or is there some trub always left over in the can?

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it might help. There is always a little trub sticking to the walls of the fermenter no matter what. 👍🍻

Hopefully I can get a response to this: I've been looking for a conical fermenter that is pressurizable to 30PSI, stainless, affordable, and ready to accept glycol (whether it be a coil or a wrap). The Cornical actually seems like a very good product for these needs as it meets the following: - 50PSI rating. - Stainless. - Trub Dump. - $399. - Easy to clean? It does not currently have any factory options for glycol, which might mean my only option is to purchase a wrap. Check out the *Cool Zone Cooling Jacket*, is it any good? Otherwise I would have to look into some kind of custom fabrication, which I wouldn't trust for PSI rating. It also doesn't have a thermowell, which might not be a big problem. There seems to be a *VERY* small community for this product, I would say this is probably the _least_ used big name conicals. Is there a better option out there for these kinds of things? I've checked Spike and SS as well and their conicals are nice, but not quite affordable. Especially when adding the glycol system. The Spike Flex is okay, but only 15PSI and no trub dump. I actually don't plan on using this product for the keg flip feature. I've planned to transfer out and use a separate corny as a "brite tank". I really just want a stainless, space efficient, high pressure conical that won't break the bank. The search has been hard.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

I think the cornical is definitely checking off a bunch of the boxes you have listed. The cooling jacket is certainly a viable solution. (At least it appears to be) I personally do not use it as a flip for a keg either. I have been toying with the idea of replacing the dip tube on the liquid post with a thermowell and removing the guts from the post and drilling the hole bigger to allow for a temp probe in the liquid. As far as cleaning, it doesn't get much easier than the cornical, it is like a keg so if you have a keg washer you can put it on the washer about like doing CIP ball cleaning. You didn't say much about the type of beer or climate. One maybe not so obvious thing to some people is that fermentation under pressure does take some of the needs for temp control out of the picture. All in all I am very happy with the unit. I'm able to pressure transfer out of the racking valve no problem. For the price point not many conical fermenters are going to beat the features. Let me know if you have other questions I can answer.

Great video thanks! What are you using right now for fermentation and temperature control? I’m currently considering the SS Brewtech unitank w/ glycol chiller. I thought the Spike would be a good option but I think SS has it beat. Would really like your opinion on this.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

3 жыл бұрын

Various vessels. I have a delta brewing bucket. Pretty much the same as the SS bucket. With the Blichmann glycol chiller and it lagers great.👍🍻

@silveraven1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Have you tried the Stasis or looked at it? I typically have 2 brews going on at one time. Also what do you do with your Spike when pitching Kveik yeast that needs 80 to 100 degrees? I appreciate the help. Been using buckets, fast ferment, fermentasaurus and tired of it all. I “need” to get something more pro.

Amazing Brian!!! You lucky dog getting all of these free toys! lol Awesome video and thorough review of this. So let me ask you this, the issue of oxidization is certainly real, but will there be enough exposure to really affect the beer? I mean we often transfer with a simple C02 layer in the keg and it holds and the beer does not get oxidized. Just curious your thoughts on that because a lot of home brewers like us don't have these types of resources to absolutely eliminate any oxygen exposure.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

It is one of those things that are debatable. I personally think it is worthwhile to minimize oxygen exposure as much as possible, especially with hoppy beers. But there again, that is my own sensory perception. May not be able to back it up scientifically. There are some simple methods to do this all of which I have covered in videos using pretty basic equipment. The key is having a keg system and getting a carb cap.. From there the possibilities are endless. Cheers Todd!! 👍🍻

@2TEN90

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers yeah, we need the carb cap for our kegs to do the forced transfer. Hope all is well Brain and talk to you soon.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

@@2TEN90 if I had a nickel for every time someone called me Brain... I could go full time KZreadr!! Lol Just messing with you Todd!! Cheers buddy! 👍🍻

I'm curious if the whole flip and replace is necessary? Could the trub be purged out the valve, then the beer served after fermentation completes with the conical bottom left on? One of the main perks of this thing is the 50psi capability. I've just started researched conical fermenters, but 50psi seems a lot better than what I've seen thus far. (Note I have a Fermzilla currently)

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

4 жыл бұрын

The keg diptibe doesn't reach down far enough. HOWEVER!! Since you have a Fermzilla you are familiar with the floating pick up. THAT would work well I think. That a good idea! 👍🍻

Interesting... Cheers!

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers Billy!

Can't see tying up my fermenter as a keg. Also, how would you dry hop with this? Always a challenge with pressurized fermentation, but where as the fermentasaurus had a solution, all you can do here is blow off all the pressure.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Just opened it like a keg, dry hop and close it back up. I won't use it as a keg but more as a fermenter.

The oxygenation concern seems overblown. A minute or two of oxygen exposure isn't going to hurt anything, and you purge the remaining oxygen with CO2 right away just as you would anytime you're kegging. In fact, this device minimizes the beer's contact with the oxygen because it's only exposed briefly when you remove the fermenter and install the keg bottom. With regular kegging, most of the beer is exposed to oxygen while racking it into the keg. It doesn't hurt anything so long as you purge with CO2 right away. I've had one of these for five or six years and I like it. Granted, I always rack into a secondary carboy for awhile, thoroughly clean the device and reassemble it as a keg, then rack into the keg. Just flipping it without racking into a secondary leaves a lot of crap inside the fermenter/keg and you WILL notice it gumming up your faucet.

Interesting modular design concept. What about a double flip Blichmann? Flip it, flip it good.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

How do you keep it at a constant fermenting temp? Does it have a device that lowers or raises the temperature?

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

4 жыл бұрын

It does not have any active cooling. You can put it in a fridge. I do have a possible solution that I am testing currently that would allow cooling. But it has no coil in it or anything. Which in all reality if you fermentat under pressure temp is not as much of a factor. 👍🍻

I can't speak to this for the brewing of beer, as the closest I got to that was growing up drinking my uncle's home-brewed beer, and watching them run any they made and were not happy with through the pot still. I mostly brew ciders at this point, the temperature on the fermenter is not an issue for me as my fermenting room is small and climate-controlled. I really dislike plastic, and glass even more so I could really see this as an excellent option for cider making, though I would be transferring to a second corny for the kegerator. Excellent review as usual, unfortunately, you make spending money all too easy for me.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

2 жыл бұрын

Haha I've been accused of that before! 👍🍻

S punding valve question. I have this valve. Seems like I have to loosen it almost all the way to get to a free flow. Is this normal? Is this something I should ask Blichmann? I like to have this on from the beginning, but I don't want to put any pressure until strong fermentation starts.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it does have to be pretty loose. What you can do is install it. And use the gas post to set the pressure with a CO2 tank and then let all the pressure off, or not. Will work either way. You'll find that at 10 psi you'll have to tighten the valve pretty snug. Bit really tight but there will be some resistance. I find at lower psi if you aren't getting any pressure release just lightly tap on the screw part of the valve and it will start to release pressure. Hole that helps! 👍🍻

So I’m assuming that ring of gunk that forms at the top of the fermentor after fermentation is just there for the entire ride unless you transfer to a different keg. I really would prefer not to have that in the keg even if the liquid level is below it...

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah the krausen ring would be in the beer until the level dropped down below it in the keg.

Hello Brian! I always your videos! I’m new to having the cornical. I need to transfer to a keg, can i just connect gas to the gas in on top and run a hose from my racking arm, into my keg? I was going to connect to the liquid out to fill my keg from the bottom up nice and quietly. Any PSI you recommend? This is my first time using a device like this and there isn’t much as far as videos that are quality except for yours!!

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

3 жыл бұрын

I would connect to the racking arm and use a ball lock connector to the keg. Did you pressure ferment?

@chikenlegs5

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Awesome! That’s what I did and it worked perfectly! I didn’t pressure ferment though. However, I’ve been watching some videos for education on it since I never had equipment to do it before.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

3 жыл бұрын

You'll love it!!

Great vid Brian. Just curious were you got your kegerator from?

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

More Beer it is the series 4 Kegland model, comes with intertap faucets standard. LOVE IT!! Has built in circulation fan that has a tube up into the tower.. Never any foam on the first beer. They had a big sale on them end of last year.. Bought TWO for the basement brewery. 👍🍻

@BEERNBBQBYLARRY

5 жыл бұрын

Short Circuited Brewers Mine is coming tomorrow!

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY you'll love it!!

@danjohnson2280

5 жыл бұрын

Short Circuited Brewers thanks Brian. It’s pretty slick. I have 2 tap danby I converted but looking to upgrade to 3 taps.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

In love mine! Glad I bought it! 👍🍻

Could you use the conical as a keg without doing the flip?

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Sure it can be a keg. BUT there is the issue with the dip tube not reaching to the bottom of the cone. Cheers! 👍🍻

@geoffreyquaile4383

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers That would probably be a good thing so that you avoid sediment. The main issue would be finding a refrigerator to fit the keg and legs in.

50 psi? Holy crap! If I am correct that looks like a standard corny lid. That is approximately 8.5 " squared. That would give you around 425 psi on the lid. Impressive! Cheers - Shawn

@BEERNBBQBYLARRY

5 жыл бұрын

Canadian Brewing Channel It’ll still be 50 psi all around and is ~2835 lb force at the top. Pi x 4.25 x 4.25 x 50 = 2835 lb

@CanadianBrewingChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY I know you are an engineer so I wont argue LOL! I used an on line calculator to figure out the square inches of an elliptical shape but guess I got that wrong. Love your channel as well! Cheers

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

WTH is all this math!?!?! You are hurting my head!!! Lol have a beer!!

@CanadianBrewingChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers 3 home brews in! Might be what is wrong with my math! - Cheers Brian!

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Haha!!! Fuzzy math!! 👍🍻

You really didnt show enough of the fermenter or the new spunding valve. I'd like to see you actually use both products and explain what make them good or bad.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Ok Glen. What would you like to see? I will be using it again soon. Any suggestions are welcome! Cheers! 👍🍻

@ChewyBravo888

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers I'd like to see a you use it. I'm not worried about what brew you use (use a brew in a can to make it easier for the purpose of the review). Show us the pros and cons on a practical level. Is the new spunding valve any good? Is it better than the other types? If so, why? Should I buy it or just use the one I currently have?

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Ok sounds good.. BTW the spunding valve is awesome.. I found it to be very adjustable. My other one you have to fiddle with to get it adjusted just right. I will do a follow up on it. Thanks for the suggestions! 👍🍻

@ChewyBravo888

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers No, thank you for the great channel. I always look forward to watching your videos when they pop up.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the feedback!

my down fall with it is price can get 3 of anvil 7.5 frementers for price of one Cornical

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

That's true!! Depends on how much pressure fermentation and trub dump means to you!! Cheers! 👍🍻

You shouldn’t dunk the DO meter past the black tip!

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Uh oh.. Did I.. I didn't realize it. Did I ruin it?

@Swans_And_Ducks

5 жыл бұрын

Short Circuited Brewers no, it will be fine.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Oh phew!! 👍🍻

The reason you have a higher concentration of dissolved oxygen in the beer from the Fermentasaurus is due to the oxygen permeability through the plastic (PET). Oxygen will slowly permeate through the PET during fermentation until the partial pressure of oxygen in the atmosphere (~ 3 psia) is equal partial pressure of oxygen in the fermenter. The rate of permeation is slow so it will never reach the equilibrium during fermentation. The concentration of oxygen will increase the longer you leave the beer in the plastic container this is why I always prefer to use stainless steel fermenters. If you do use a plastic fermenter then fermenting under pressure is a great way to reduce the rate and theoretical equilibrium of oxygen but it will not stop the permeation (this is a common misconception). The reason it will still permeate is because the driving force is the difference between partial pressure not the difference of total pressure.

Biggest advantage I can see with this fermenter is that it looks like you could fit several in a refrigerator. I'll quote a message I received from Oliver at Kegland when I enquired about small fermenters being equipped with glycol jackets (ala Grainfather Conical) or internal cooling coils: "Not to burst your bubble but it would be redundant to use such power on a small unit. It makes sense for large vessels with thick stainless steel. If a brewery could fit a fermenter in a fridge they would. As they're controlling the entire environment. But it's too costly. For us homebrewers it's easy! We're developing a wifi connected fermenter fridges to house these Gen 2 Fermentasaurus' heat and cool control from your phone anywhere in the world. Touching back on coils and jackets. Any coil cooling inside a conical vessel will cause hot and cold spots like a current. Yeast won't ever be able to settle out properly. Running a large glycol unit will use a lot of power and lose it with the distance between the unit and the hoses that feed it. It would also take up way too much room for an adequate sized one. In short, there are far too many reasons against jacketed small fermenters. All positives from a thermal encapsulated refrigerator." I tend to agree with Oliver's statements, but my response to his opinion was that it all depends on the "packaging" of your home brewery. I lack space, so being able to spread fermenters around the space, fitting them wherever they will means a glycol system could be the only solution Back to the cornical fermenter, being so skinny they could work well in a tight space. Of course people often use standard corny kegs as fermenters, but at 20L minus yeast trub loss, you're looking at a 18L batch at best for something like an IPA. This Cornical looks like a winner, but I really think they could just omit the detachable cone altogether and just make it a skinny one piece conical based on a 🌽 y.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

Yes you could fit several. Have you seen the Anvil cooling system? Very minimalistic and is still effective. I have see the prototype drawing of the fermentation "fridge" He is taking about. It is pretty large. At least what I saw was. Cheers! 👍🍻 one thing I will say in the removable cone, it makes it SUPER easy to clean.

@toothpik00

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers I sure have, I watch all your videos, Brian! The Anvil system is a neat little package. There's a few stainless fermenters on the market these days. From basic to pro. I'm still undecided as to what to choose though. For us Aussies, most of them are very expensive to get to our door as they're all coming from the US. The Grainfather one comes from NZ of course, but you still pay a lot for that system given it's impressive build and features.

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

That's true for sure!

I would not like that i would just bye a Cornical which i did lol...........................CHEERS

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

This is true.. What was the cost if you don5mind sharing??........................ Cheers! 👍🍻

@T6767676767676767

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Was 200 ss brewtech 7 gal.....

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

5 жыл бұрын

@@T6767676767676767 brew bucket? Or true conical?

@T6767676767676767

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Stainless steel conical its on my channel just like the won you did a review on.........CHEERS

Am I the only homebrewer who cannot see the need for progressing to ALL-GRAIN brewing??? I am told that we brewers who buy a KIT are not real brewers. We are just playing at it. And if I bought a couple of thousand dollars worth of equipment I could hold my head high amongst other homebrewers and talk endlessly about grains, hops, sparging, etc. I am told that with the all grain system I could brew ANY beer I desire. Well I buy my beer kits online and one of my suppliers gives me a choice of 177 different beer kits the other supplier has 180 on offer. Plus I could add DME, dextrose, raw sugar or dry hop the brew or use a specialist yeast if I wished to “tinker” with the kit. Extracting the malt from the grain is best done by the professionals. Bread bakers don’t grind their own flour in a table-top milling machine so why should I go to all the time and trouble and EXPENSE of steeping and sparging? My kit has a date on it. How old is the grain in the homebrew shop? You can’t tell. NO, all-grain is not for me. I will save the money I would need to spend on massive stainless steel pots and coolers and stick to buying one of the 180 varieties of beer kit. There is a phrase that sums up homebrews who buy all the latest equipment. ALL THE GEAR - BUT NO IDEA

@ShortCircuitedBrewers

4 жыл бұрын

I have said it before and I will say it again.. However you like to brew is up to you. I have never, ever looked down on brewers that do extract kits. I personally like to cook and I would rather make my own beef stroganoff rather than make it from the box kit. Does that make my version better? Maybe not, but for me, the all grain process gives me more control.. (Perceived or actual.. Sometimes I wonder!!) and the ability to make adjustments to a recipe to see how it turns out. There have been many extract beers that have won competitions. I say, do what you do if you enjoy it, Brew on!! (You're probably the smarter, one of us all, slaving over hot kettles and fermenters for hours at a time for beer.) I just enjoy the process that I have. 👍🍻