Blair should come back as the Labour leader. Enough of Corbyn.

If this argument is so sound why didn't he play a leading role in the Remain Campaign? He knew that his involvement would have sent the Leave vote through the roof!

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

Do you have an argument against a single thing he said?

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

H Horsley I note you did not refute a single point he made.

@dommidavros2211

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think he was trying to refute the points. He just wishes he'd made them earlier.....like when it mattered!

Here we go, here we go, here we go. Here we go, here we go, here we go-oh. The Master returns. Brackinit bregins!

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

Childish.

Thank you tony. You have just helped brexit to hammer the last nail in the coffin of europe . And after paying him the fee he is used too and a bit less to the other remain mp's "wink-wink". Thay will soon have no more money left . So a good time to leave i think.

I read or heard a very apt analogy to this speech somewhere recently. "I'd rather watch Harold Shipman deliver a speech to a load of OAP's on care for the elderly than watch this arsehole speak on Brexit." Creased me up.

German chancellor likes this former politician.

@alanharvey9094

7 жыл бұрын

She's as bad as this scumbag!

Why am I watching a war criminal, shouldn't he be in prison?

Thought I couldn't hate anybody with as much venom as I did for this man...........then the sow May and her farrow turned up

His speech makes sense. I don’t know why so many people are not happy with it. It seems that people are not using rational mind to evaluate the pros and cons of Brexit.

He can say what he likes but in December 2017 it is far to late, Tony got very little support over this speech, he needs to accept that the remain lost the vote & move on.

Anyone with common sense clearly can see that he oozes crook . A complete crook ......

Lose influence on the worlds most significant political union? Correct me if im wrong but wasnt the eu initially set up as an economic trading block? Blair probably answered the question himself, on why we want to leave the eu.

He disgusts me

One would think that with this man's appalling past record that he would be keeping a low profile but no, not a bit of it. ARROGANCE TOTAL ARROGANCE!!!

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

You have not refuted a single point Blair made.

@alanharvey9094

7 жыл бұрын

I keep seeing posts asking to refute a single point Bliar made. Just a few things to remind Blair of. ...Note below how EU's countries' prisoner numbers have fallen in the respective years as our own rose. That's likely because they're in our prisons. These countries' politicians must be chuffed to bits at this, laughing their heads off! Bliar mentioned the "bulging prison population." No wonder it's bulging. Up to date figures are likely higher than in 2014 given the steady rise since 2002. Taking not far short of 5000 prisoners out of the prison system is a significant number. ON PRISON POPULATION: Figures from the Grassroots Out campaign show that the number of EU nationals in prison in England and Wales rose by more than 240 per cent between 2002 and 2014, from 1,763 in 2002 to 4,252 in 2014. The number of Poles in UK jails stood at 867, up 2,000 per cent from 2002. Romanians numbered 614, up by more than 1,200 per cent, and Lithuanians 542, up by more than 1,000 per cent. In their countries, however, prison numbers have fallen even more dramatically than UK numbers have risen, with Romania enjoying a 3,882 drop in prisoner figures since it joined the EU. Latvia’s prison numbers have fallen by 3,092 while Poland’s have decreased by 2,997. In 2013, EU nationals in UK prisons cost the taxpayer more than £147million. Polish prisoners cost the British taxpayer more than £30million, Romanians more than £22million and Lithuanians £17million. “The problem is too many people are coming here who end up in our criminal justice system and our jails, who shouldn’t be coming here in the first place. “ Referring to the ECJ ruling, he added: “This proves the European Arrest Warrant isn’t working. We’ve seen people who shouldn’t be taken to other countries being moved over there, while genuine criminals can’t be moved back because of human rights laws. The UK has, until now, been far less efficient than other countries in reclaiming the money owed for treating foreign citizens. “The state of their prisons is seen as unacceptable by the courts. It would be absurd if, despite everything were being told, we can’t send back a criminal to eastern Europe on human rights reasons." Sunday Express, April, 2016. ON THE NHS: As a result, the NHS is losing an estimated £400million a year simply because it is failing to identify EU patients and claw back the cost of their treatment from their governments. This sum, legitimately owed to us is enough to build a new hospital every 18 months. Currently, certain NHS services - including GP appointments, A&E, maternity and any treatment deemed urgent or life-threatening - are free for everyone. But overseas patients - which include anyone who has lived here for less than 12 months - are meant to pay for all other hospital treatment, such as X-rays, consultations and operations. In reality, however, staff rarely recover these costs at present. GPs are being used to identify those from whom cash can be reclaimed because they are the gateway to the NHS for most patients. Some senior GPs criticised the move, suggesting it would turn them into debt collectors and may prevent seriously ill foreign patients from seeking help. Dr Kailash Chand, deputy chair of the British Medical Association and a retired GP in Lancashire, said: ‘The Health Secretary would be wise to concentrate on the major pressures on the NHS. ‘If this plan comes to fruition it will at best reduce the role of doctors to debt collectors. At worst it will deter them from registering migrants and asylum seekers as well as setting up a new system of charging that could be extended. The Mail Online, Feb., 2015 ON BENEFITS PAID TO EU CITIZENS: An enduring grievance is immigrants’ right to send child benefit to their dependants abroad. Cameron sought a complete ban, but was again obstructed. Immigrants will still be permitted to claim child benefit, though payments will be indexed to local living costs. Some estimates suggest that one big source of migrant ‘benefit’ is housing benefit, paid out to low-paid EU nationals who often live in private rented housing. On the vexed issue of British child benefit paid out to EU migrants who leave their children in their home countries, the most recent figures suggest that £27m is paid out every year. There were 34,000 claims of UK child benefit for children residing overseas in EU states. The main figure Downing Street tends to use to prove ‘benefit tourism’ is that “around 40 percent of all recent European Economic Area migrants are supported by the UK benefits system“. The New Statesman, 16th June, 2016 It is estimated that, at March 2013, between 37 per cent and 45 per cent of the EEA nationals (excluding students) who were resident in the UK having arrived in the preceding 4 years were in households claiming either an in-work or out-of-work benefit or tax credit. This represents between 195,000 and 235,000 (numerator) EEA Nationals in recently arrived households claiming benefits or tax credits at March 2013 out of 525,000 (denominator) recently arrived EEA nationals resident in the UK at March 2013. The claims for child benefits are especially controversial, as many migrants send the cash straight back to children who are still living in their home country. At the same time many are paying lower rates of tax than Britons because they are undercutting wages to take low paid jobs. On average EU migrants earn £3 per hour less than British employees, working in low skilled sectors such as food processing and machinery operation. They are also as likely as British-born people to live in social housing, although the researchers add that a higher proportion are privately renting. Dept. for Work and Pensions, Nov., 2015. Germany is planning to ban EU migrants from most unemployment benefits for five years after their arrival in dramatic response to right wing populist assaults on chancellor Angela Merkel’s liberal immigration policies. “I fully and clearly support freedom of movement [of workers in the EU],” said labour minister Andrea Nahles, detailing the plans. “But freedom of access to social welfare is something else.” (FT Apr 2016) We should do the same. And regarding his comment implying that the government was without, "a genuine policy to control immigration" .... well, I don't know a better way of controlling immigration than having full control of our borders, what a ridiculous thing to say, but then we're used to it from Bliar. Do we need another policy as well as having full control of who comes into our country? If we know who they are, where they are from, if they have a passport, what their work situation is, what their skills are, what their criminal record states if they have one, then we are in a position to record their details and grant them entry if it's seen fit to do so. If not, we can deny them entry. Call it a policy if you like but in a nutshell, that's all we need to do. I think this addresses Bliar's lame point on a genuine policy to control immigration, don't you?

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

alan harvey You have still not refuted a single point Blair made. ;)

@alanharvey9094

7 жыл бұрын

Damien Fletcher ... I suggest you view all of my posts here, I have refuted 9 points above and I'm awaiting your responses to all before I move to number 10.

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

alan harvey No you have not refuted a single point Blair made. You've just attempted to go off topic. It's hilarious.

so he has gone to one of his mates in Germany for a nice evening ,wined and dined and then told tony you must come through for us you owe us we want payback for giving you that nice job ,that's the truth this weasel only looks after himself .remember this guy came from the back streets of the north of England .reminds me of that saying you can take the boy out of the estate but you cant take the estate out of the boy

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

Nice waffle, but you didn't refute a single point he made in his speech!

@alanharvey9094

7 жыл бұрын

Damien Fletcher ... I did though, nine of them ... just waiting for sensible responses to each before I move to point no. 10.

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

alan harvey Nope, you did not address a single point Blair made in his speech. You just copied and pasted some off-topic drivel.

will someone please tell him. The majority of people want to live in sovereign nation states NOT Continental super states. end of chat.

@thinkingemoji5924

5 жыл бұрын

Press x to doubt

If he thinks we're going to listen to his opinion he's deluded!

@backach1

4 жыл бұрын

its not really opinion it is just lies on top of more lies jono

@ceciliajane9763

4 жыл бұрын

Whoever disgrading former prime Tony Blair to wake up and smell the coffee no matter you don't like him this not parties division this will be realistic he is not here to be elected ,he is here to let us know what is at the corner , ,it will hit a lot commoners and some politicians are there for self interest and gain , keeping in remind this nothing to do with Iraq war and is not fair to accused him about Iraq war,it was voted in parliament by all parties , Thanks form prime ministerTony Blair keep , going so that we can understand more what Brexit means ,I believe it will destroy people lives years to come....

The terms are the remit of the normal decision making mechanisms we have in place i.e. the parliament and executive government. The referendum question was what it was, but the plebiscite ends there and the terms and details are not a matter for the public to rethink or redecide as it sees fit. That said, there is certainly potential for a further referendum down the road, to rejoin the free trade area.

'Tony - Fallujah residents', 'Fallujah residents - this is Tony!'

Using Tony Blair's logic, the UK would have withdrawn from the 2nd World War early on, because it wouldn't have known what fighting Nazism looked like. Sometimes you just have to do the right thing despite the nay sayers, because the end result will be better for all.....

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

A ridiculous comparison.

@ianjrivers

7 жыл бұрын

If you say so, but I think it's a valid comparison because the EU is a German dominated authoritarian regime, which is anti-democratic, hell bent on gobbling up most of Europe. Getting out of this monolithic organization is a priority for our future prosperity.....

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

Ian Rivers Gross exaggeration and nonsense. Leaving the EU will ruin our economy and we will become a low tax haven for the rich elite, with fewer rights for workers. Genius.

@ianjrivers

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think that it is a gross exaggeration to say that the EU is authoritarian. When the French rejected the EU Constitution in 2005, it was made to vote again on a virtually identical document called 'The Lisbon Treaty'. when Ireland rejected this treaty in 2008, it was made to vote again until it made the right choice. The EU sacked the Italian Prime Minister and imposed a technocratic government, headed by Mario Monti in 2012. When the Greeks rejected austerity at the polls in 2015, the EU demanded the resignation of it's finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis. Please don't try and say that the EU doesn't flex it's muscles when it wants to, it has a history of doing so. We will be better off and able to forge our own trade deals with the rest of the world, once we're free of the shackles of the EU....

@damienx0x

7 жыл бұрын

Ian Rivers Nope, we will be much worse off.

Fuck. We need a #Yang!

The reason you should Listen to Tony is because he's no less likely to take a financial hit than Boris Johnson, if we leave the EU...

He says so because he was told to say so by his employer J.P.Morgan.

@GyitMulhaneski-GloriousYears

3 жыл бұрын

I adore how he begins with that tired, old, predictable, auto suggestive, default pathological gambit of his as if it is somehow new and profound: 'I agree the will of the people should prevail' as if in his world he is somehow doing humanity a favour by recognizing this civilizational truth - like the grudging response to the STOP THE WAR protests parroted by Blunkett, Jacqui Smith etc: 'Of course it's their right to protest (but we're going to ignore 1m+ protesters and those who never voted for any Invasion or War to start with...)

We're not changing our minds, Tony

I think Blair made some great points but he made a mistake, he said the UK was part of the biggest POLITICAL union... now that's the problem, the UK joined the EEA as an Economic Union, and so we believed the EU was, but in recent years its taken on a federal approach, its become politicised and as he calls, a political union. 1) the UK never voted for such a union so its undemocratic 2) Westminster under a political union.... the parliament that once governed so much of the world is now subject to a hugely unelected and broken political union? That's the real issue.

@theinvestor5601

6 жыл бұрын

It is just boring old men in grey suits doing what is best in Europe. We needs laws due to the complexity of globalisation. These laws are usually for what is best. We still are hugely independent when in the EU and we can do pretty much what we want. The issues most affecting people are things like austerity and other choices that we make, not Europe. I hope you enjoy May, Boris, Corbyn.....or any other incompent person.

@sloopjohnb7271

5 жыл бұрын

Zayn, Britain joined the Common Market! The politicians have done the rest selling Britain down the river. Selling the Commonwealth down the river. Britain will no longer be Britain it will be the state of the E.U. No Royal Head of State, for you socialists that will make you smile. But it won't take long before you realise that the longest standing democracy is no more and you have no say. In fact look at it now britain voted and has been ignored. The people have no say except only what they (government) will except. A government you have no control of. (Dictatorship) = Civil war, suppression, killing, Shit might as well go live in the Middle East at least they are Honest about who they are!

Seems UK politics finally hit home - first, let's get rid of what/who we don't like, and then after this has been accomplished, let's think about what to actually fill the resulting vacuum with. Iraq - Libya - UK ... somehow UK politicians seem to believe a country is like a block of marble, if you cut away what you do not like, a beautiful structure will emerge all by itself. Or some eviction TV show, The Apprentice, Big Brother and the like. What about first thinking about what you actually want, and with this goal in mind plan your actions accordingly? Oh wait ... maybe the outcome is just what SOME people wanted, it is just a guise to pretend it was all an accident and unforeseeable. As regards Brexit, the government may or may not have had a plan but there certainly is an agenda: there are some extremely rich people who poured Millions into the campaign to leave; they will see to it that Brexit will go THEIR way and their money pays off. Maybe the people on these lovely island will one day realize that revolutions and the defence of freedom and democracy are not accomplished at the ballot box, and that romantic glorification of a Great Charter treaty between a monarch and the other nobility some 800 years ago, together with "we make the law up as we go", is no substitute for a proper constitution that safeguards every individual's rights. Tony Blair did not really listen to all the huge demonstrations against the Iraq war which allegedly was based on the "very reliable" intelligence of "enhanced interrogation", did he? There would be no end to a list where politicians of all the big parties did not listen to very sensible demands by people, with disastrous outcomes. (The COST of the introduction of high tuition fees and state backed loans being one of my favourites ...lose lose lose situation, for students, universities, and the state finances; the only ones to win are, maybe, the banks.) Now leaving the EU serves as the symbolic "taking back control" for people who never had a say, and will not in the future. A "constitutional crisis" is what this country needs. Que veut cette horde d'esclaves, De traîtres, de rois conjurés? Pour qui ces ignobles entraves, Ces fers dès longtemps préparés? Pour nous, ah! quel outrage Quels transports il doit exciter! C'est nous qu'on ose méditer De rendre à l'antique esclavage!

Has anybody got anything positive to say about this man??

Damien Fletcher ... PLEASE DEAL WITH THESE POINTS ... THERE ARE 5 IN THIS POST ....Number 1 to 5 ...(see next post for continuation)... I'll humour you this once as I can see that you want to have the last word..... and repeat ... just this once ..... where I refuted what Bliar said. I have already told you that I have no wish to enter into a protracted series of arguments with you, you are clearly in denial and nothing anyone says will persuade you to be honest and concede any point that they may make. I have asked to to qualify statements you've so boldly made and which you have conveniently ignored. I have assumed you are an adult and therefore expected you to be capable of seeing where I refuted parts of Bliar's speech from my previous posts. You were not so I have spelled it out for you in capitals below and numbered 1 to 9 so far (tbc) where I refute Bliar's statements. I would still like to have my questions answered which I put to you in previous posts.... don't forget now. Anyway..... Bliar said, "We argue for it (Britain in Europe) precisely because we are proud citizens of our country - Britain - who believe that in the 21st Century, we should maintain our partnership with the biggest political union and largest commercial market on our doorstep." (1) I REFUTE THAT PEOPLE, "BELIEVE THAT IN THE 21st CENTURY, WE SHOULD MAINTAIN OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE BIGGEST POLITICAL UNION etc. .... ON OUR DOORSTEP." i.e. I AM SAYING THAT A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE IN BRITAIN DO NOT WANT THIS PARTNERSHIP AND THAT WE SHOULD NOT MAINTAIN THIS PARTNERSHIP. He said, on the subject of the PM's wish for Britain to be a "bridge between Britain and the USA" adding that it is the PM's wish to "get out of Europe thus leaving us with no locus on the terrain where this bridge must be constructed." What drivel. This may sound very grand to some but makes no sense. Literally, he is saying that we cannot strengthen our already excellent relationship with the USA simply because we will have left the EU. On the contrary, Donald Trump has congratulated Britain on the Brexit referendum result and on "getting our country back." "Donald Trump’s commerce secretary Wilbur Ross has made securing a free trade deal between the US and Britain one of his top priorities, the Telegraph has learnt. Wilbur Ross, the billionaire nominated to lead on trade in Mr Trump’s administration, is understood to be determined to lower barriers between the two countries. He is said to have “extensive” business relationships and social links to Britain after decades as an investor and wants to embolden the “special relationship”. That bit about "locus on the terrain" is so transparent as padding, waffle. It means, "no place on the Earth where this bridge must be constructed." A stupid metaphor particularly as any bridge building is not required, but to play along, the Bridge has been built, it was completed when Obama left the White House. (2) I REFUTE THAT BRITAIN NEEDS TO "BUILD A BRIDGE BETWEEN BRITAIN AND THE USA" AND WOULD ADD THAT GIVEN WHAT I'VE SAID ABOVE RE. DONALD TRUMP'S AND WILBUR ROSS' EXPRESSED FAITH IN BRITAIN AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO DEAL WITH BRITAIN, BLIAR'S STATEMENT IS SENSELESS AND BORNE OUT OF A WISH RATHER THAN REALITY. He said on the economy, "We are told that it is high time our capitalism became fairer. And how do we start laying the foundation for such a noble cause? By threatening Europe with a move to a low tax, light regulation economy, the antithesis of that cause. This jumble of contradictions shows that the PM and the Government are not masters of this situation." (3)I REFUTE THAT THE GOVERNMENT "THREATENED" EUROPE WITH A MOVE TO A LOW TAX LIGHT REGULATION ECONOMY" The government clearly needs to take steps, in the event of a Hard Brexit, to ensure companies continue to operate in Britain and new ones to come here, that is only sensible. The term "threatening" is one of Bliar's terms, not one of the government's. It is Bliar's spin on the situation in an attempt to show the government as an enemy of the EU. It is not an enemy at all. The UK’s 20 per cent corporation tax rates compares to an EU average of 22 per cent. The tax rate is 29.72 per cent in Germany, 31.4 per cent in Italy and 33.3 per cent in France. It should be borne in mind that Countries including Ireland and Singapore have credited a low tax rate with helping them attract new business. Singapore only used here as an example of how any country can use low corporation tax as a tool to attract business. Ireland imposes a levy of 12.5 per cent while Singapore’s is 17 per cent. Are we to take from this that the EU member, Ireland, with such a low corporation tax rate is somehow acting underhand? A facile argument if ever there was one. I would have liked to see how Bliar sees the current situation as "high time our capitalism became fairer." (4) I REFUTE THIS STATEMENT RE. CAPITALISM NEEDING TO BECOME FAIRER, AS MEANINGLESS, BEING COMPLETELY WITHOUT QUALIFICATION. i.e. what does he mean by this sweeping statement? You may feel you want to interpret this statement yourself but it is Bliar's meaning I am challenging here. He should have given the sweeping statement some substance SO I REFUTE THIS STATEMENT. He referred to the now hackneyed, "£350,000 a week extra to the NHS" This statement was fairly quickly corrected by statements that it was stupid to use it as a Leave campaign component, particularly putting it on the sides of buses. It of course needed a net figure to be quoted after rebates had been taken into account which hadn't been. Given the time lapsed between the corrections and admissions by the Leave campaign of how wrong it was to use this figure and the time of Bliar's speech, it was a cheap jibe, one which the remainers constantly rely on in order to discredit the Out campaigners. Bliar's use of it showed how desperate he was to impress the crowd. It would be good and honest of him to have had acknowledgement of the Leave side's admissions of the stupidity of this false claim. He said, "Virtually the only practical arguments still advanced - under the general rubric of ‘taking back control’ - are immigration and the European Court of Justice." (5) I REFUTE THIS STATEMENT ON "TAKING BACK CONTROL" WHERE BLIAR SAYS THAT "VIRTUALLY THE ONLY PRACTICAL ARGUMENTS STILL ADVANCED ARE IMMIGRATION AND THE ECJ." What happened to one of the most important aspects of "taking back control", i.e. full control of our borders? This statement by Bliar is incorrect and should certainly have made mention of full control of our borders. And is it the ECJ which for example, sets the minimum rate of VAT which can be set in Britain? Perhaps it is? If so the ECJ seems to be an all encompassing powerful body so Bliar's statement re. the ECJ may be true in that it covers all of the EU's power over us which is therefore considerable to say the least. Why no mention of the EU's ultimate goal of a federal Europe? We couldn't take back control from that could we? The European Community Treaty ("EC Treaty") authorises the Council and the Commission to make regulations and issue directives. The EU VAT system is regulated by a series of European Union directives, the most important of which is the Sixth VAT Directive. This directive has been updated and replaced by another directive since 1 January 2007. Important changes will occur when a subsequent Directive will address the issue on "the place of supply of services" and will be in force on 1 January 2010. See next post for numbers 6 to 9 ... post has too many characters.

Yawn. Another democracy denier

@wtt747

5 жыл бұрын

what an utterly stupid and idiotic thing to say. Is it not a democracy that people are allowed to change their mind? imbecile.

Phenomenal speech

The people voted without knowledge. lol. stop mocking the British people Mr Blair

@jemimat-h9619

5 жыл бұрын

REALLY, REALLY!!! I’m sorry but honestly just REALLY???