Gets drunk, spits at security, asked to leave - rAcIsM

@ClandestineMerkaba

9 ай бұрын

He has overdosed on woke american koolaid.

@taylortaylor8010

9 ай бұрын

he was getting kicked out for laying down, while everyone is laying down. Maybe the security is weird and tripping

@parisite99

9 ай бұрын

@@taylortaylor8010wrong! He was checked on because he was passed out and he lost his shit on security….that’s why they got kicked out!

@joeyfive5245

9 ай бұрын

@@taylortaylor8010 did you not watch the video?

@acidrat420

9 ай бұрын

"I'm sorry, I thought this was America" he was Randy Marsh the whole time.

Its not about color. Its about behaviour. Its that simple.

@katarinastene9069

10 ай бұрын

exactly.

@levilima9925

10 ай бұрын

It isn't! You aren't native american so you probably don't know what we go through. Our struggles are highly minimized compared to the black movement. We are most of the time ignored by those who don't see us as victims of the system. I have often been harassed due to my origin and looks. It is a sad day for Norway for not being able to surpass that White-Supremacist thing that usually goes on in Black Metal Festivals. Shame.

@borist.

10 ай бұрын

@@levilima9925 number one,is not a black metal festival. number two,there's no white supremacist on this grounds. number 3,all colors and races attended this festival. number 4,everybody admires native American history here in Europe. Why do you think the band got big so fast? number 4 this is not US. if youve never been in Norway,dont make stupid accusations.

@raven4404

10 ай бұрын

@@levilima9925 Do you really think that the festival would be held in these times if the promoters would be racists ?

@levilima9925

10 ай бұрын

@@raven4404 Let's be real: Go to ANY underground scene that features black metal bands and ask their opinions about minorities and political view in general - chances are you're probably getting lots of unpopular views and not so friendly arguments towards those groups we are talking about. I might be wrong about that festival in particular as pointed out by @Boris but I do think that having a somewhat - vague - opinion on this matter has no useful impact whatsoever. (Remember my first tip and attend the underground scene!)

Them bringing up American racial identity politics at a metal fest in Europe is absolutely cringe.

@Billy-bd2oe

9 ай бұрын

Everyone should bring up American woke radical identity politics, cause it is ruining the planet.

@fhuuraliulfr5756

9 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@JosephFuckinStalin

9 ай бұрын

Is there not racism outside of America? "Racial identity politics" isn't even an academic term. That's just a dismissive buzz phrase used by people who don't understand how to engage with the conversation of racism I'm not even saying he was targeted either. Your comment is just entirely nonsensical. You're basically just saying "you can't be discriminated against if you're not in America"

@tomaszlucjusz113

9 ай бұрын

@@JosephFuckinStalin There is racism everywhere in the world. However, it's rather exclusively American thing to scream "racism" and "discrimination" at any problems in their life.

@JosephFuckinStalin

9 ай бұрын

@@tomaszlucjusz113 Who is doing that? You realize that's also the most generic response you could've possibly given me? I've heard this same imaginary notion from conservatives, centrists, Nazis, incels, gamers, oddly enough all the groups that tend to be the most racist and right-leaning

Wow, this is some ridiculous drama. Simple but well said at 10:29 🙏 And maybe I'm old fashioned, but a Black Metal band using Instagram to publish a "fight" like that is... I don't even have words for that, haha!

@bubu5908

10 ай бұрын

Wo du dich überall rumtreibst ... 😁 aber Recht hast du. Bin der gleichen Meinung.

@Farvann

10 ай бұрын

@@levilima9925 That would have been something 🤣

@El666Incubo

10 ай бұрын

Out of touch, would be some choice words for this.

@Farvann

10 ай бұрын

@@El666Incubo Sounds good!

@Daniel_Lynch

10 ай бұрын

Wow farvann..yes this looks very bad for the US and blackboard is a poor representation at that

I'm Native American and these guys are playing the victim card. These guys have a lot of privilege and an opportunity to play outside of the U.S. and they act like this? 🤔🤦🏻‍♂ ...

@mariozd971

9 ай бұрын

Tell me what your people do, just a curiosity if they end up in prison. From what i've heard in America, the first rule is , in prison sistem- stay with your race and don't talk to anyone outside your race. That's for blacks, Mexicans, whites but what with Natives because they are big minority and maybe there isn't anyone of their race. Offcourse, most of mexican, salvadorian, guatemalan inmates are partly native american and partly white but i don't believe they look your people as theirs.

@__Mystiik__

9 ай бұрын

@@ebichu1234 Natives who are hell bent on whites are still stuck in the past. Theres real issues within my community that needs to be resolved but blaming the white man isn't it. I heard that bs since the 90s as a kid. It gets boring overtime.

@erikstorm8935

9 ай бұрын

@@ebichu1234"I don't take advice from white people." But has no problem playing Black Metal, which was created by white people. And has no problem playing in white countries. If white people are such a problem to him...maybe express his heritage with a different form of music? And not play in white countries? He could be a rapper instead. Plenty of people listen to rap.

@alicat2548

9 ай бұрын

​@@erikstorm8935It's even weirder when he's married to a white woman . . .

@ClandestineMerkaba

9 ай бұрын

Its ALWAYS like this. Find a black or brown american politician who rails against "whiteness" and look at their spouse LOL @@alicat2548

God I’m so sick of people whining and crying about racism for any minor inconvenience. It really makes these people intolerable

I remember the rule about not falling asleep in the concert area..the guitarist spitting on the security guard and flipping out about being racially profiled, he totally behaved like an idiot.

As a person of First Nations/ indigenous decent I can say a lot of our people love to blame their problems and the reasons why they are the way they are on others and make it seem like it’s their fault. Yes our people come from a long line of genocide, decolonization and the stealing of our lands and we’ve faced a lot of trama this causes some of our people to sit around feel sorry for themselves and unfortunately quite a lot of our people suffer from alcoholism and drug abuse because of this. I’ve never understood this though why not build ourselves and our people back up and show the true warriors we are and represent the long line of indigenous warriors we come from. I simply cannot get behind blackbraid on this one unfortunately pulling the race card is incredibly pathetic and annoying on their end.

@coureurdesbois6754

9 ай бұрын

Vices are just going to make shit worst.

@METALMISFIT6

9 ай бұрын

Honestly this is a dam good comment..it's rare to see an actual mature comment

@Knochenbrigade

9 ай бұрын

I mean, you killed each other, too. People forget (also natives like to too) that American Indians had fights and battles between them too. People today act like before any light-skinned person stepped foot on the americas, the natives where just happy, super-peaceful people, but it wasn't like that. In the beginning they kinda hoped the Spaniards can help them getting rid of the aztecs they had big problems with. They also often fought over territories and whatnot. Native Americans were warriors. You're not a warrior if you've never fought! Also the settlers peacefully BOUGHT land from the natives. Didn't happen everywhere, but it happened. Look at some african countries today. People still fighting to get some land from some tribe back or get another tribe eradicated. The Cypriots got land stolen from them too, and now they have to share half of their territory with turks. And this happened in the 20th century. You can't live in the past forever and blame all your fails on things that happened in the past to your ancestors 200 years ago or smth. Parts of my family were blown away and cremated alive during the Dresden bomb raids, and they were civilians, the youngest being 2 years old. I wasn't born back then, but i think i should hate on the brits and americans forever now.

@Tysandifer

9 ай бұрын

I mean every other culture has lost land and shit so why do people act like the natives are the only ones? Last I checked tribes still fought over land...us whites were just another tribe who did the same..

@222Bimo

8 ай бұрын

@@Knochenbrigade Dude, you shoud really read less Karl May.... And bringing up the bomb raids against nazi germany in this context is stupid at best, fascist at worst. Yes, tribes weren't all lovey-dovey, still your ancesters that died in Dresden can't possibly be compared to what stimatisation and discrimination indigenous americans went trough and go through to this day. I don't defend what Blackbraid did there, I think it's stupid aswell, but your comment is hella inappropriate to the whole context.

As the festival don't deserve to be cancelled, same goes for the band. We all make mistakes and the band must take this as a learning lesson.

@brendenhull1290

10 ай бұрын

Imagine how fast a band would get cancelled being on the other side of the political spectrum....

@Daniel_Lynch

10 ай бұрын

Yup

@patmagh

10 ай бұрын

Damn is the race card still being played in Norway? I've only seen politicians do that to get easy votes. No one I know even cares about that shit anymore. Fuck racism and fuck those who play victims.

@protolexis

10 ай бұрын

@@brendenhull1290 lol so what are you implying then that the scene is right wing?

@TheTrueJesusChrist

10 ай бұрын

@@brendenhull1290it is impossible to be cancelled in the black metal scene unless you’re black braid I guess. Peste Noire still plays festivals

Yes most people don't realize it's not about the color of your skin but it is about your behavior.

@John-fs1zd

10 ай бұрын

Some times it is about the color of your skin though, which is part of what makes things like this so shitty cause its the boy who cried wolf.

@Alexandria87

9 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@williamsmith666

9 ай бұрын

At the end of the day, it should be. But we're still in an era where a specific sect of folks on the "other side of the aisle" (not who you think) view people as labeled objects as opposed to human beings. Racism via contempt.

@protolexis

9 ай бұрын

Tell than to white supremacists who quite literally do think it’s about the color of your skin. Europeans love forgetting about the last world war then say racism or discrimination isnt about skin color. That’s such a ridiculous thing to say.

@ClandestineMerkaba

9 ай бұрын

@@John-fs1zd Not really, since so many of those instances are based on observations of behavior, tied to skin. People simply adjust how they react to what they see, based on past experiences. I've never heard anyone say they just rabidly hate black and brown, or any color, just because of how it looks. Sure some are out there but from what I see, people come to dislike colors because of the behavior they have associated with its members. The skin is incidental.

In italy there's "racism" even between two neighboring villages, it's crazy. Now I live in Finland and the events rules are pretty much the same in Norway, my cousin came to visit me and we went to a concert and they kicked us out (luckily after the concert) because we were apparently too drunk, but to be honest we were only too much loud probably (not sober but not even close to be wasted). But we said that we were sorry and we went somewhere else. I've been there after that night and it was like if anything never happened. Where they racist because we were Italian? I don't think so. Were they right when they kicked us out? Maybe, but protesting wasn't worth it 🤷🏻‍♂️

@MarcoSarcognato

10 ай бұрын

And something that even european people sometimes don't understand is that nordic countries are usuallu super strict about following the rules, sometimes is really annoying but that's also why nordic countries are the way they are

@Ishitonyou666

9 ай бұрын

@@MarcoSarcognatofacts

As a Canadian who grew up next to a reserve, there is racism, but people often conflate FOLLOWING RULES with racism out of convenience and to get attention.

@EPKKC

9 ай бұрын

I've been through racism, and i'm a caucasian canadian. Believe it or not, i even been through "caucasian VS caucasian" racism. Woke sh*t is completly destroying us.

@badgermacleod5588

9 ай бұрын

: This is true. Racism is borne of ignorance. There are rules that apply to everyone & pulling the race card to avoid consequences of their actions is pathetic.

@bringerovlight8412

9 ай бұрын

Oy vey

@ronfroehlich4697

9 ай бұрын

In the U.S. a lot of black people think that being expected to follow rules is racism. And I mean any rules

@coureurdesbois6754

9 ай бұрын

I'm shocked to see that all of this involved natives drinking. Never heard of an indian drinking and causing a commotion.

This is totally ridiculous. The dude just got bent out of shape because he doesn’t want to follow the rules. Just go,sleep in your trailer or tent. I’m sure the festival give the artists a area to stay in.

@borist.

9 ай бұрын

Yes I've been in the backstage and every band get a private place with couches etc

@taylortaylor8010

9 ай бұрын

he was laying on the grass, its a music fest;. than security was messing with him. the security was being authoritative.

@schlafreise

9 ай бұрын

Why do you think whites put them on reservations in the first place? This is their mode of operation.

@lordvlygar2963

9 ай бұрын

​@@taylortaylor8010You did not watch the video and are only here to challenge what people are saying and make yourself feel "virtuous". Everything you are arguing against was shown and explained in the video.

@scottmcdade5453

9 ай бұрын

​@@taylortaylor8010no he was passed out drunk after already being unruly. Security checked on him, he lost his shit and played the race card. The festival even said the band could stay just essentilly to sober up. He spits on security and further loses his shit. Anyone at a fest who is passed out drunk security have a duty of care. Norway also has strict regulations on being drunk in pubic. It was him who was in the wrong and pulled the victim card.

This is probably the best, most thorough, poignant and factual commentary on the internet right now. Well done. Midgardsblot and PSS have handled this situation and aftermath with utmost professionalism.

@jontonian

10 ай бұрын

I Agree....

@DAIDALOSMUSIC

9 ай бұрын

True!

@theunclejesusshow8260

9 ай бұрын

Well Done!

I’m a professional musician, been playing and touring for most of my adult life and if I could tell any new band one thing, it’s to stay away from the alcohol and partying. It always ends in a train wreck, like what happened here with BlackBraid. Props to the security at MgB for handling this situation with absolute professionalism. Thank you for the rational and intelligent response to all this, Boris. 🤘

@GiggityGoo205

9 ай бұрын

What do you mean that's the only good reason to become a musician

@AerikVon

9 ай бұрын

@@GiggityGoo205how about becoming a musician to make art? You can be an alcoholic without wasting time on music.

@GiggityGoo205

9 ай бұрын

@@AerikVon I only take advice from alcoholics sorry

@juri_xiii9977

9 ай бұрын

@@GiggityGoo205 Your loss..

The part about the coulor of your skin doesn't matter in Europe in order top get discriminated is so true, just look at the Balkans i mean you are Croatian and i'm sure you undertand that better than anyone how bad it can get between Bosnians, Croats and Serbians, also ask a Romanian how they can get treated in west Europe and i'm sure that a lot of them have stories of being discriminated, and all of thos groups are European and also white.

@magnusdareus

9 ай бұрын

LMAO, that kind of thing is not unique to Europe (white Americans have done it to Italian, Polish and Irish immigrants, and to rural white Americans) and also it doesn't mean racism against nonwhite people is not a thing (pretty much all of the foundational Scandinavian black metal bands were explicitly and proudly racist). Not saying Blackbraid is right in this instance, but it's ridiculous to pretend that discrimination based on skin color is unheard of in the Norwegian metal scene of all places.

@protolexis

9 ай бұрын

@@magnusdareus exactly bro, like I’m reading these comments and these Europeans are saying some of the most ridiculous shit, acting like people are solely discriminated against because where they’re from and not the color of their skin, meanwhile there is overwhelming proof of systemic racism here in Europe against brown/black people, exactly like in America. Then they say dumb shit like “tHIs iSnT aMeRiCa!” Europe has literally been doing racism based on skin color longer than America and just because American politics and society are tearing themselves apart right now they have adopted some holier than thou attitude. Absolutely delusional shit to say.

@Xirque666

9 ай бұрын

​@@magnusdareusstupid comment in this context. You were not at the festival and you don't know the policy of the festival. Also, Norwegian BM is seldom NSBM, not even Vargs music is that even though he himself has some dubious political views, the hate in Norwegian BM is towards the Abrahemic god and the leadership of those religions that have terrorized those that have had another spirituality.

True. Im from Norway and been to many festivals. self proclaimed victims i call this.

Horns up, Boris! I'm mexican and last year I attended Midgardsblot. What did happen to me was that everyone was absolutely friendly with me, organization and attendants. Contrary to what everybody says about norwegians being very isolated and serious people, I discovered that, at least with latinos, they are the most helpful and kind guys that I have met in that continent, mostly the metalheads. I can tell that we as "brown" people sometimes arrive to Europe wondering if some discrimination might show up but never happens, neither to me or any friend that has travelled to that region of the world. To be honest, I felt angry while seeing the facts that you exposed at this video, as we could see a very frustrared and mostly sad security guard defamed as racist, just for trying to do his job. I hope this can be cleared soon by the band.

They just need to hire someone who takes away their phones while they’re drinking 😂

We want a tryglav tour! 🇧🇷 🤘🏻

Thanks for the video. I heard about the incident yesterday but it was difficult to piece together what happened with all the deleted posts.

Well said! My best mate is indigenous Australian so he has very dark skin and is a black belt metal head. He went to Europe for a year with work and went to all the metal festivals he could fit in. He told me that he was blown away by the welcoming atmosphere of the Black/Death metal crowds above all. He told me that he gets and hears more bullshit In mainstream music festivals. I hope Blackbraid gets it together and rises above this. His music is amazing!

The people with those kinds of attitudes can not be reasoned with. Sadly this bad behavior probably wont affect their careers, too many bands, fans and promoters agree with their ridiculous world view.

@michipichi0

10 ай бұрын

nice username lol

@ClandestineMerkaba

9 ай бұрын

Uhh, not in this genre I think.

@thedruidzmademe666

9 ай бұрын

their gimmick seemed alittle pretentious from the getgo, one of the band members acting this way isn't surprising sadly.

@Xirque666

9 ай бұрын

Festivals communicate with each other, and the band has likely put themselves on the list of "untrustworthy bands)

What an unpleasant situation. Having been at Midgardsblot once, when I read Blackbraid's posts I really couldn't believe the festival could accept any kind of racist behaviour especially against one of the artists in the bill. Your analysis here is pretty clear and realistic. I hope Jon will amend for this. I mean he's great and his career started with the best assumptions showing a good attitude especially towards the genre he's playing. Hope this was only an error soon to be forgotten.

I admire you for mentioning your own experience with racism. I live in the state of Oregon in the U.S.A.. As I'm sure you know my country continues to be deeply divided politically as well as on a cultural basis. When people get upset here now they tend to let their anger out without thinking about the consequences. It's a bad habit, but so many give into so often that I believe they think that it is acceptable behavior, which it obviously is not.

@Ishitonyou666

9 ай бұрын

I hear ya , I get that a lot here in NYC and it’s not white people

@CMO1061

9 ай бұрын

Found the racist…

I, speaking as a Czech guy, have never encountered any racism or discrimination towards Native Americans in Europe. If anything, I have always experienced people that praise them and even are fascinated by the culture.

@protolexis

10 ай бұрын

Lol how many Native Americans are actually even in Europe to begin with? Your average American doesn’t even have a passport and when you factor in how poor native Americans are generally, I couldn’t imagine many are here in Europe at all. And of course you’ve never encountered racism or discrimination towards them, YOU ARENT NATIVE AMERICAN. I’ll never understand people who say shit like that. It’s like bro you’re not even the culture your pretending to be an expert on, of course you haven’t experienced what they go through.

@mattt8070

10 ай бұрын

That guy is not even native. That it the craziest lie about them.

@protolexis

10 ай бұрын

@@mattt8070 ok that is an absolutely ridiculous statement with zero proof to back it up. Do you think a white man who culturally appropriated native american culture would actually have any success in the scene in this day and age? He would have been cancelled or just completely ignored by people in the scene. Absolutely absurd baseless statement bro.

@mattt8070

10 ай бұрын

@@protolexis that dude is white and scam and shit load of his "native american" turd. just wait. playing a racist card gets you a serious redicule in Europe. if you are not from Europe which I think you are not, you can kindl fuck off my reply button.

@TheTrueJesusChrist

10 ай бұрын

@@mattt8070…how is he not native?

Everybody's so goddamn sensitive nowadays. I dig BlackBraid, I saw them recently with Dark Funeral. It seems they just expected preferential treatment because they're a band, and when they didn't get it everyone suddenly becomes a racist.

Oh no.. The "I have a victim mentality, everything is racist" is now in Europe that's not good. 😅

@Alexandria87

9 ай бұрын

It's spreading like a disease sadly. I'm over it!

@JdjdbNdjdb

9 ай бұрын

his guitar player plays in nsbm bands..

@LeaveNoTrashBehind

9 ай бұрын

@@JdjdbNdjdb Ah nice which bands?

@JdjdbNdjdb

9 ай бұрын

@@LeaveNoTrashBehind Ixachitlan, Mäleficentt, Metztli, Viento, Voces, Yohualli, Maquahuitl. only the last band is any good really. HOWEVER. if you want to get deep into indigenous and mexican NSBM or even hawaiin nsbm(guy lives in seattle though) i recommend the entire ONSP roster- Band Genre Country A.R.M. Black Metal/RAC Mexico Camaxtli Black Metal Mexico Comando de Exterminio Black Metal Mexico Dragón de Hierro Black Metal/RAC Mexico Eztlacuani Black Metal Mexico Kommando Pagano Raw Black Metal Mexico Kukulcan Folk/Pagan Black Metal Mexico Mictlan Raw Pagan Black Metal/Ambient Mexico Nahual Ambient/Black Metal Mexico Nordglanz Black Metal, Neofolk Germany Sangre y Terror Black Metal Mexico Teyaotlani Ambient Pagan/Black Metal Mexico Tlateotocani Raw Black Metal Mexico War Command Black Metal Mexico Yaocuicatl and the hawaiin one, not really as i said hes in and from seattle- Kūka’ilimoku

@erikstorm8935

9 ай бұрын

Its been in Europe for a while now, just check the protests a few years ago.

Thanks for covering this from a different cultural perspective than what American media outlets have. Given the state of racial tensions in the states it's easy for media outlets to jump to conclusions over here. Having some semblance of nuance and balanced conversation is much appreciated.

I think the problem is just ignorance on the bands part. You're going to a new area, where customs are different, and you might not know about it. This becomes an issue, because most of the melodrama over here (America), we're told that the patrons and customers are always right. So, the younger crowd (internet generation) first instinct is to pull out a phone and record whatever the situation may be. I think Blackbraid, being ignorant (not an insult) on festival customs out of the US was the main culprit. I think the security was just doing their job spot on, and have no complaints from the festival side. It's just a little wild to me that this is still an issue. Yes, I am American (with Hispanic origins), but this is just plain fucking stupid. Sounds like another typical privileged American to me.

@recordednowhere

9 ай бұрын

I think a lot of Americans have difficulties adjusting to a different "culture" in Europe. The "customer is always right" attitude might be an explanation, thatll only get you so far here. 😂 Most embarrassing and distasteful event I witnessed was when a group of Americans entered a restaurant shoving a cellphone camera into a chief waiters face at a restaurant, shouting at him and harassing him -- because he left people waiting in line outside because the restaurant was full. They also accused him of being a racist (one of the guests waiting outside was a black woman).

In America, everybody is playing the victims. Victmize is the thing of the moment now

Boris , thank you for posting this, this really has opened my eyes on this situation.

I've seen more racist (really racist) things happening here in Italy between southern italians and northern italians (as you said in the video) than in the actions of that security staff...seriously, where's the racism, bro? Seriously, I don't know any reason why to act like that, it's not even a "crywolf" (typical internet terms) or something similar...it's just idiotic behavior! Pure truth. "Racism" excuses are the top notch of idiocy on the internet sometimes: man, you're in a different Country and every Country has its own rules! The first you have to do when you go outside your Country is to inform yourself about the laws of the COuntry you're going to. It's ten thousand times better than pushing a drama on the social networks for distorted (racism...) reasons!

@borist.

10 ай бұрын

Yep Polentoni vs Terroni is the real thing. Compared,this is kids jokes 🤣🤘🖤

Blackbraid and Goatmoon should play together for cultural sensitivity.

@blackmetalsilentmortuary7

9 ай бұрын

And der Sturmer. Also storm front 88. Hate forest. Satanic warmaster.

@Stigmatix666

9 ай бұрын

Or Absurd

@mariozd971

9 ай бұрын

@@Stigmatix666 Lol, they would all be culturally enriched, it's a shame that it's war in Ukraine so there isn't Asgardrei festival in Kiev where he would be the special guest, playing with Peste Noire, Goatmoon, Absurd, Nokturnal Mortum,Graveland, M8L8TH and other culturally sensitive Europeans- I mean Finns, Poles, Ukrainians at least didn't participate in killing Indians, Redskins, Native Americans, Aztects, Tainos, Incas- it was all done by Spaniards, Portuguese and Anglo-Saxons - Ukrainians for example were killed en masse , 6 millions by bolsheviks in Holodomor , before that they and Russians in the 18th century kicked back in Anadolia asian turkish invaders and their allies Crimean Tatars, they killed and enslaved millions of white people from today's Ukraine, Greece, Bulgaria, Croatia, Hungary where we are natives. Not to mention Armenian genocide in 1915-1923, Assyrian and Pontic Greek genocide- 4, 5 millions of people killed-but hey, it's not worth mentioning only villain was Hitler and nazi Germany who killed millions of Jews

"Best" thing for me was in the Midgardsblod group in facebook where someone wrote with the singer and he posted a laugh emoji as a reaction to the comment of the guy telling the singer they should respect the holy ground.

@williamsmith666

9 ай бұрын

"Rules for thee. Not for me"

@Stigmatix666

9 ай бұрын

Smells like hypocricy

Excellent summary of an embarrassing reaction to an otherwise explainable event. Keep up the excellent work! Love your channel!

Also is noone gonna talk about the fact that blackbraids guitarist is literally friends with nazis

Great level headed video. It might interest some of you that in Norway, if you are totally sober, as in not had a single drink, but you fall asleep on a premises where alcohol is served, you will be shown the door. It is very important that people look into situations to uncover the facts before making up their own narratives. I know, emotions run high and it becomes increasingly hard not to act out, but the fact is that emotions alone is not a good pathway to truth. If you reside in Norway, you can take on look at this whole story and it becomes quite accessible to connect the dots. You wanna know why? Because all of us blokes (and probably a few girls) whom live in this country have at some point or another been kicked out of venues and bars for the very same reason(s). So these discussions with security seen in the video are extremely familiar to us, even down to some guy on the sideline injecting himself into the argument. This video is even a separate argument, the spitting has already occurred and they are still on the festival grounds. I seriously doubt they would be so forgiving towards someone living here, just my opinion. I also see a lot of equivocation fallacies by people that support the band. Just because one can point to racism in a separate event/situation, does not automatically give weight to the bands claims in this specific situation. Stop making non-sequitur points on unrelated matters. Racism is very real, in Norway as everywhere else, but calling out accountability, (where there is non), to avoid your own accountability does us all a big disfavor. I guess the only people that really gleefully benefit by all this are the people that are actually racist. Due to the polarizing divide between what are ultimately good people. I do not want to shit on the band, they might genuinely have been confused in the heat of the moment. But at this point, where several facts are pretty much readily available to everyone, the proper thing to do would be to at least acknowledge you might have taken the fast track to a faulty conclusion. I am a Norwegian citizen, I worked in bars for 10 years, even took an "education" in bar-tending which focuses heavily on the legality side of the business. I work in HR today, I am a metal-guy and I have a immigrant background. Of course, this does not make me right by default, but perhaps it offers a good insight and perspective.

@juri_xiii9977

9 ай бұрын

All Nordic countries.. Steelfest does the same in Finland. I was meditating during a Nightbringer gig and was made to stop and stand up, or leave the festival area..

@mico5003

9 ай бұрын

Thank you, man! Good insight and perspective.

@yusafparvez523

9 ай бұрын

This law is in place for your safety. When stumbling upon a unconscious individual, it is hard to discern between if said person is resting, drunk/high or even dead. The law is there to prevent tragic outcomes. If the law was absent, security might be less prone on checking in on each and every individual. One can agree or disagree with the law. Many feel that grown-ups dont need this level of baby-sitting. Psychologically, it can truely be percieved as pandering when the recipient is in a vulnerable state. (And this case carry a ton of potential vulnerbilities: inibriation, jet-lag, exhaustion, foriegn country, language barrier, past experiences, cultural, sociological and political differences). But wether one agrees with this law or not, is a seperate political matter. Can I with 100 percent certainty say the band didnt encounter any racism at the festival? No, I was not present, but the specific complaints presented by the band themselves, pluss the videos accompanying these complaints just shows security doing what they are bound to do by law. Can a law be exploited to target a specific group? Yes, it happens all the time. But given the sleeping, the spitting, the video evidence, the complaints/discription of the situation rendered by the band themselves, and the history of outcomes for this spesific scenario, concluding with racial motivation is just too problematic. Make no mistake, security can be total dicks, but there is no auto-correlation between being a dick and being a racist. And to be perfectly clear, in this instance, I do not even think the security seem particularly dicky. (My opinion).

@sheakiknumaafalaphd7121

9 ай бұрын

Well said and added good man, hope you’re doing well Yusaf my friend!

@mariozd971

9 ай бұрын

If you visit Norway from some other european country, not including Sweden and Denmark you'll need fortune to get drunk 😂. It's easier there to make alcohol, even Norwegians say it's expensive for them

Jon is Mexican born, in Guadalajara...

@sheakiknumaafalaphd7121

9 ай бұрын

Exactly, and all while claiming to be Kanienʼkehá꞉ka aka Mohawk. Nah dude, thats just more lies from ya Jon. Mohawk is just the tribe with more proximity to where he grew up in New York after being adopted. Dudes whole image is built on lies.

My ex is italian. She was kicked out in a pub once after drinking 3 small beers for sleeping here in Norway. So the colour thing is bullshit for sure.

Is this a case of "Americans dragging their politics into other countries"? Try learning the rules of the culture you are visiting before blaming them of disrespecting yours.

True words and understandable opinions. I guess the band will maybe hopefully recap their whole thing with the festival and what happened and to it better next time (wherever they'll play). Sad to see such a good band derail. Everybody encountered bad times and situations (like you said in you video) and by that they should learn from it and not get the same "person".

Plot twist, dude in the band isn't Native American at all but adopted from Guadalajara Mexico, who is the racist here?

So he pulled the "racist-card"...

@nicodiaz627

Ай бұрын

Playing black metal while pulling out the PC racist card. How pathetic.

"Dont let past traumas ruin your career, because you are doing so good." That was so well said and so true in your video. I can't agree with you more on this whole situation. I am American. We are not all closed minded and think this way. Its actually embarrassing. Anyways, I am mixed Latina, Native American off my moms side and European off my fathers side. I liked that you brought up the fact that Europeans respect Native American culture. And I totally get that as there are alot of similarities. I always thought that was so awesome. But alot of people do not know that, especially here in the states. I have been following Blackbraid since the beginning and have been a fan. So to hear all of this is deeply saddening. Im so sick and tired of the race card that everyone loves to pull. As you said, I do understand why he thinks like this as well. But come on dude. It sounded far from being that at all. He truly made a fool of himself. If anything this wouldve been an opportunity for brothers to unite and come together! Shame. Hopefully he has learned from this. Thanks for this video. You said it all perfectly!

@John-fs1zd

10 ай бұрын

HAHAHA "since the beginning" 18 months ago fucking people!

@burrbear17

9 ай бұрын

More anti-white hatred disguised as compassion, disgusting.

@JdjdbNdjdb

9 ай бұрын

nazi considered native americans to be aryan and would have given the land back to them

@sherylblanker-vandenheuvel7088

9 ай бұрын

I think a lot Of EU festivals or venues will think twice before inviting them to play.

@bunnybrown809

9 ай бұрын

Well said! Indeed trauma needs healed, until then,unity seems impossible at this point.

In America we are put in a box by race Ive been on other countries and was simply called an American. My skin is brown

Thank you Sir for good asessment of the situation, liked and subscribed. I couldn't sum up the whole situation better myself. I am just gonna say...I love their music. I think they are incredible prospects. I am from Poland and I want to have opportunity to see them live and grow in popularity. Situations like these can stand in a way of that dream one day. And it will be a sad day if it goes that way.

@Xirque666

9 ай бұрын

That their music is good is one thing but they have a rep from before that's not good as well, but MgB gave them a chance, because of their music and because the festival is opening and welcoming to everyone except nazies. I also know that the festival and the guests were looking forward to their show. However how they fared after the show sadly proves their already built up bad rep right, and as MgB has connections with other festivals, nor only in Norway, but the rest of, at least, Europe, can make life for BB very hard.

@hkrug666

9 ай бұрын

@@Xirque666 "they have a rep from before that's not good as well" Can you tell me what that's referring to? I haven't heard anything about them before this situation.

@Xirque666

9 ай бұрын

@@hkrug666 an American friend of mine, that volenteer at a lot of festivals world wide mentioned it to me, that BB had gotten a bad rep because if behaviour when drunk locally in the USA, at places they had worked. Word travels fast in the festival community, both among volenteers and between the staff (teamleaders, etc) of different festivals. To give an example, Just in the staff of Midgardsblot, there are people that are also staff in Inferno Festival, that there work with staff from Beyond the Gates, etc, and people that directly or indirectly are connected to Tons of Rock, which again is part of "Live Nation". AKA the largest festival owner in the world. On top of it there are connections from those festivals to Hellfest, Castlefest, Metal days, etc.

Sadistic Intent has played there and probably alot of other mexican bands.

Well said Boris. I’m a Brown guy who works lead stage security for Inferno & Beyond the Gates and found this to be spot on. Plus the drummer trying to get back to the bottom fire to start a fight would have ended of so badly for the fake tough guy. Might as well Title this how to fuck your career in one night.

Thanks Boris … this is very well presented and I appreciate your explanation of the event. I completely agree with you and appreciate you taking the time to explain the whole situation.

I worked at Midgardsblot last year. The crew consisted of people from so many different countries that it would have been very difficult even to build up anything if rasism would be a problem there.

@Stigmatix666

9 ай бұрын

Norwegian metal festivals have zero tolerance for NS sympathizers, you can get kicked out for wearing the "wrong" shirt and patches

In regard of common sense, i thank you for daring to make this feedback. I feel that all this over impulsive drive for equality drives to more diversity. I think Morgan Freeman said it best, that we end racism by stopping to talk about it, then it would be just about how one person acts towards other person. And then its just about that we wont allow a person act discriminately against other person. The answer is about people trying to not understand other people wrong, evil, first, but trying to understand right first.

thank you for speaking your mind on the situation.. i stood like 4 meter away from the guy sleeping by the main stage and we all know what happen after..

@childrenoftheabzu

9 ай бұрын

What happened? Was it just cultural differences and them not understanding that it was a cultural faux pas to sleep where he was and the situation escalated as a result or was there an actual racist slant to them being kicked out?

Boris, we walked by each other a few times but I never got the chance to say hey. But I want to take this chance to thank you sincerely for sharing your take on this and doing it FAST. People have been asking me to make a video on it, but I just wasn’t comfortable doing so. Thank you for this, seriously.

Good on you for calling out BS! 👍

This is the state of American politics in a nutshell. Victimhood everywhere.

This whole drama is insanely childish and shines a very embarrassing light on blackbraid...

Really well spoken about the situation. Nice video.

I was really wondering what your opinion will be on this melodrama, I am very glad that you chose to be rational and not blindly rely on what the band said. I lost all respect for the band because of this behavior. Truth above all!

@stevendelossantos9391

9 ай бұрын

Same here. I will not support a band or person that acts irrational in this way, and also plays the race card, for what seems to be no reason at all. They acted like drama queens and were very unprofessional about the whole situation.

@vladimircokorilo8105

9 ай бұрын

@@stevendelossantos9391​​⁠on top of that, telling the fans who asked for explanation to “fuck off” is an extremely rotten behavior that says a lot about you as person. Any band or band member that treats their fans like that deserves no support

Their last release was in my bandcamp cart to buy i'll be swerving that now. It sounds like the initial security guard that got his face spat on showed amazing restraint

I totally agree with everything you said here, Europe is not America and tensions in Europe have always happened because of large number of things beyond the color of the skin like history, politics, religion, economics, etc. The fact is Europe is not America and rules are simply different here.

2:50 Thanks for this part, I feel like if something happened, and people ask what the problem was, an explanation should be given, otherwise it’s quite Invalide What he says. Also attacking All white people as a whole just because some individuals said something that bothered/offended him would be considered racist as well if the cards were reversed, but sadly when it comes to this sort of stuff, most people don’t look with the same eyes upon it. The video he showed kinda felt like it wasn’t really an instance of racism, but some form of complex that he may have. „Huh I’m being criticized ? Must be because I look different, no way I am wrong“…heard this shit a hundred times before…

This is a very good analysis of the situation from research. I do hope Blackbraid are able to grow from this moment.

Didn't know black metal had become the cry bully Olympics.

You've done right for doing this video, 'cause we don't give a f#&k for skin color around here🤘🤘🤘🤘

Damn this scalated so fast, and it was for nothing, I'm kinda disappointed about they behaviour.

Hvala leppo, Boris, excellent analysis, you gained a new subscriber! Alex (from The Metal Observer)

seems like those guys have been through lots of bad shit in their country and now they react dramatically to everything that could resemble their previous trauma...and alcohol on the top of it, ...man....! So sad.....I am sending lots of light and healing to those souls./ I bet that whatever festival it was and it will be, they will find the way to be dramatic..trauma multiplied with alcohol alwas brings negativity. Such a low frequency of energy. /

honestly, we can't really know anything. None of us were there and we will only make biased assumptions. The band is great, the incident embarrasing regardless of who is right or not and the first time I saw Boris, I thought he was native American until I heard his accent.

@Jagger-Tyr_13

5 ай бұрын

Probably the best comment on this.

good words and perfect point of view. well done as always

was waiting for this video

very well said, and good effort to make your statement and show understanding as well

Woke posers. I'm very dissapointed, but at this point I'm not even surprised anymore.

Your words and opinion are all legit Boris, I wish everyone thinks like you!

I was nearly passed out (struggling for consciousness due to what might have been heat exhaustion but was most likely just due to the fact that Mayhem is just too fucking HEAVY 💪 ) in the grass at Tons of Rock - looking like I was sleeping . I’m visibly a POC. If the Paramedics hadn’t asked me to move /checked on me and moved me into the medic tent - it could have gotten really serious for my health. They were not targeting me. They were assisting me. Norway 🇳🇴 knows what their doing. I don’t know what happened truly , but based on my own experiences in CA compared to Norway (and that Security guards tone/behaviour in that video) I have to say: Unfortunately I think these bros have experienced so much racism in North America, and were also likely inebriated, that their trauma came forward and coloured their vision.

@John-fs1zd

10 ай бұрын

Yep glad you said it, I get people are responding from trauma in many cases like this, but it doesn't give bullshit behavior an excuse.

@off6848

9 ай бұрын

Lol regular white girl here in America

@apdurn

9 ай бұрын

who? you?@@off6848

@apdurn

9 ай бұрын

I'm sure you don't mean me- I'm half Greek /Turkish and half Black/ Native

I'm black, born in Europe, I'm a black and death metal fan and I agree with everything that was said in this video.

The victim mentality has spread to the metal scene. So sad to see..

@levilima9925

10 ай бұрын

Rather than being spread I'd say that finally it has come to the black metal scene. It was about time to have a counter-offensive to the white supremacists that exist in the scene..

@weebgrinder

10 ай бұрын

It hasn't been sex drugs or rock n roll for quite a while now. Guitar nerds ruined the scene. Circle of Tone has a decent critique.

@off6848

9 ай бұрын

Nerds and pansies ruin everything

@williamsmith666

9 ай бұрын

It's been like that for a while. It's been poisoning black metal for way too long.

Good Video Boris. I think that people can make mistakes, get upset and react and lash out. maybe after some time things will seem different. I am a fan of Blackbraid, and this is upsetting to me. Thank you for making this video.

hello boris, wasn’t going to comment but changed my mind. my mom migrated here from croatia and dad from italy here to us , i am 56 years old now, i grew up alot of my childhood on a native american reservation learned there culture and made many friends!! perfect what you said concerning the situation at festival. im not defending their actions but would like to defend them as people, our fkd up racism over here is unfortunately still fkd up as other parts of the world. i’ve seen firsthand from living on reservation this racism from white people, the stigma from white people here towards native americans has a long history and im only speaking about my experiences growing up there in the late 70’s, so i understand the white people comment, its ingrained in them from their experiences and past! they have been through alot im sure so if a white person comes at them well they go to that as first reaction, you are right you have to stop and think, they were in a place in norway totally different culture playing around the world they have alot to learn, but i want people to understand their culture as well and why probably their reaction, hope everyone gives them a chance to perform their art, ive been waiting years to see a native band like this come into the metal scene to represent their culture through metal, im hoping the community will give them this chance to learn from this, and yes grow up !!! we all make mistakes and we are all brothers in metal 🤘love what you have been doing boris hail brother!

Im still gonna listen to Black Braid despite all this. What happened is unfortunate but you should be able to separate the artists from their art. We’ll still listen to Burzum despite what Varg did, which is A LOT worse than what happened at Midgardsblot

@RAAZR-

10 ай бұрын

The ones who now won't listen to Blackbraid but still listen to Burzum and Dissection show their true colors

@nayeliperez7516

10 ай бұрын

The ones who listen to some who claims to be indigenous but is nothing but a stereotype show their true colors. You should not go across the seas and represent your people in that drunken manner. Be respectful. Don’t disgrace the people you claim to represent/profit from.

@protolexis

10 ай бұрын

@@nayeliperez7516 do you actually have proof that he isn’t indigenous or are you just making shit up? Because it sounds like you’re just making shit up with zero sources.

@x88868

10 ай бұрын

​@@RAAZR-keep crying 😂

@RAAZR-

9 ай бұрын

@@x88868 crying about what exactly? If you cancel a band for pulling the race card and spitting in someone's face when caught being a nuisance but not when someone states they're racist and have a murder under their belt you have issues. If you separate the art from the artist in one case make sure you're consistent with it (I know I am and will now listen to Storm of the Light's Bane)

Hey, as European (Slovenia) I feel like Americans mostly don't understand, that they can't just play race card in Europe, because people won't give a fuck. There is a lot of "racism" between our countries (hey even between Slovenia and Croatia:) ) but a lot of it is considered as jokes and people don't get offended by it. It's hard to explain this, but like you said, they saying that security "is targeting brown people" is just laughable to me, and I can imagine this would play out VERY differently in USA. this is my short rant. I Still support and love their music, but I also have nothing against this festival. I don't want to act like know better than anyone, but just please stop with playing victim everytime you need take responsibility

This video needed to be made. Thanks for doing it

There's alot of brown people in the u.s. that don't like blackbraid

М-да, тяжело в деревне без нагана 😁😁😁 In english it would be - Hm, it's hard in the village without a revolver

Excellent, Well Said!!

Thanks Boris for sharing the true. Greetings from Venezuela.

he’s very clearly drunk, he should be held accountable but definitely not cancelled. as for the other members i can’t tell, just seems like they’re ignorant

@cehaem2

9 ай бұрын

Basically no one will invite him for shows for a good amount of time. That's not "cancelling", that's just common sense.

Thank you for speaking out on this bullshit. I wanted to like these guys, but I can’t support idiots who cry wolf.

@jlphoenix3866

10 ай бұрын

So you think the world will end because you don’t support them. Fuckoff

@CovrageTheSodomizer

10 ай бұрын

Do you like the music though?

@iqbalsinghmangang

10 ай бұрын

Peste Noire is one of my all time favourite band . They racist as fuck . And I am a minority in my own country

@keenkoebwajawsh3059

10 ай бұрын

I doubt you're missing much. From what I've heard of this band, they're generic af second wave BM. There's better bands to listen to. Especially from the US. Listen to Negative Plane and Funereal Presence instead, lol

@off6848

9 ай бұрын

Black braid sucks balls I say that as a Choctaw Houma

It's nice that you give your opinion.

Brown guy here. Great analysis and response, Boris. Your logic is clear, your honesty, compassion and understanding for Blackbraid, even though you think they are wrong, is admirable and mature. Great showing of diplomacy between artist, promoter, and fans. You’re a true ambassador of metal. Thanks for representing the metal community in an honest, caring, direct, and intelligent way.

Well, that sucks. I can't support that band anymore. Too bad. It was cool having an indigenous band doing so well from the states. Well, at least theres some cool Aztec themed bands from Mexico still.

@gl0ggen1

9 ай бұрын

Any recommendations?

@bifftannen1058

9 ай бұрын

@@gl0ggen1 Yaotl Mictlan is one. They use native instruments but sound more authentic than this black braid. Yaotl music overall sounds more native too \m/

@MetalforOden

9 ай бұрын

@@gl0ggen1 Cemican, Mictlantecuhtli. Theres also a mayan band Kukulkan.

@gl0ggen1

9 ай бұрын

Thx guys 🤘. @bifftannen1058 @MetalforOden

People need to stop trying to quench their thirst for trying to find racism in everything

@Nickersons-Theme

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, It's been wild the past 5 years or so and not just within race, in every aspect of life, people are dying to be offended, dying to be special or a victim

Well said Boris!

Well, very articulate and clear.

Legit had such high hopes for this band :/

Unfortunately, this is extremely common in the United States these days. A minority breaks a rule or law and cries racism when confronted or held responsible, regardless of whether or not there's any actual racism involved. As a former festival security officer, I see someone looking passed out on the ground, I'm going to assume they're having a medical situation and assess them. "Bro, I'm just trying to sleep" Well, sleep somewhere else!

Good video and break down. While this was happening it was difficult to get the full story. I like Blackbraid and I was excited for their quick success. However, I was worried how that success would affect them. Being nothing to widely known in a community that is very critical in under a year has a lot of risks socially. Unfortunately they took the wrong turn here. I also wish them continued success and I'm happy to see them again with WITTR later this year.

Boris, I frogot to wish you you much luck with your band,and interesting reports from "Black Metal Paradise" Norway!!!

Completely agree with you Boris....But come on Blackbraid:/, Europe is not like America

I agree 100%. True racism is terrible, however this is not the case here. This kind of thing is starting to become a trend in America. Crying “racism” without thinking rationally about a situation. We talked to the guitarist the night it happened and heard his side of the story, it’s nice to hear the other side. Midgardsblot was amazing and I don’t think I’ve ever felt more welcomed, or more of a sense of community at a festival. Also it was great talking to you guys!