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@RONIN2025

3 жыл бұрын

Have you heard of the Alpha Project 357 Magnum using shotgun primers no more jamming up from caps looks like a Smith & Wesson 686 I think it's made by Westbrook.

@alsaunders7805

Жыл бұрын

AFAIK nobody makes one but I want a 50 cal black powder revolver that uses 209 primers instead of percussion caps. That way I can use the same ammo and accessories that I already have for my modern style muzzle loading rifle. I'll probably have to make it myself. 🤔🤓🍻

For those who have never fired a cap and ball revolver, its a good kit. Shows what you need to get if you really get into black powder. Also if ball and cap is not what you expected, you're not out a lot for items you wont use again. A good kit for the newbie shooter.

@chrish3274

Жыл бұрын

I had a lot of fun at age 19 with a pack just like this! Maybe it was the same, it came with the 1851 Navy as well. It got me into shooting! It was shortly after that I bought my first rifle and shotgun. Then later an actual handgun on my 21st birthday!

How about you put together a simple starter kit from pieces for a video. Would be pretty helpful for starting out and not missing things and not buying a bunch of extra junk.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

That’s actually a great suggestion! I’ll do that. Thanks for watching!

@bigfunwmu

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunsOfTheWest Thanks! Really looking forward to it! One of the things that has stopped me from getting into black powder shooting is all the other *STUFF* you have to get just to use the firearm for the first shot. Like you said here, even with this starter kit there is more *STUFF* you need to use it.

@seansimpkin2584

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunsOfTheWest did you ever do that? I would love the video.

@seansimpkin2584

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunsOfTheWest p.s. put in what exactly you would want to see in a ready pak.

@taurushipointenthusiast1306

2 жыл бұрын

The starter kits are helpful, no not the best, however if one does the required homework one will see where kits need help and plan on adding to at time of purchase.

My starter kit was purchased in the store at Dixie Gun Works in Union City, Tennessee. The sales guy set me up with all of the accessories I would need to go with my first percussion revolver. Almost 20 years later, I still have and use those items.

@humansvd3269

Жыл бұрын

What model did you get?

@Squib1911

Жыл бұрын

@@humansvd3269 what I meant was that the sales guy sold me each individual thing with the revolver at the store so that I had everything I needed.

Totally agree....and getting a 1851 Navy in 36 Cal. Is much better starter gun for kids !!! That's what my Dad got me in 1988 ish I was 5 or 6 when I got my first pistol! Still have it and use it off and on ... But of course the Wilson Combat 1911 CQB is my everyday carry lol.... The 1851 Navy is truly a great Firearms fundamental starter pistol and introduction and understanding of weapons mechanics. History, Wisdom and Knowledge is the true art of Firearms Safety and Employment!!! It's what established Our Constitutional Republic!!!!

@triumphmanful

3 жыл бұрын

Biden, peelosi and shloomer are going to outlaw any EDCs ! Wait and see ! We are screwed out of our 2nd Amendment Rights !

Bought this for my son, the fit and finish of mine, as well as an incredibly smooth action was not what I expected at this price point. I took it to the range and hit a 5 inch target at 50 yards on the first shot, impressed.

Brass frame I'm one of those folks that like the look of the Brass and as you said, as long as we understand the difference and limits of the brass frame.. its just fine. Brass WALKER blasting magnums? good grief no.. but for a 51Navy designated for Plinking loads.. just fine

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. I like the steel, but it’s none o my business to say what someone else likes. As you said, just know the limits. Thanks for watching!

@karlt8233

4 жыл бұрын

I prefer steel frame guns but the brass frame guns based on the 1851 frame look really nice, especially once the brass gets a patina to it. They make awesome display guns and fine shooters provided you don't try and hot rod them on every shot.

@codygrady1338

3 жыл бұрын

the best way to get that brass look on steel, is to heat and then brush with a wire brass wheel, it "stains" the steel a brassy yellow color and could legit be mistaken for brass if done correctly. figure i would drop that bit just in case you end up with a steel frame and would like that brass look.

@curtislarson1487

2 жыл бұрын

You will never hurt the brass. The brass does look nice ive had a few .new army is the way to go in the revolver in my opinion.my m1819 pistol is my new favorite i like my flint locks better then my cap and ball stuff

This same kit was how I got started years ago. The gun was a lot of fun and funny enough I still have that nipple wrench. Everything else got replaced. It seemed to fit the bill at the time. Tracking down the individual components used to be tougher ten years ago. Not as many internet providers and not as many big box outdoor stores. At that time, it was impossible to get No. 10 caps and I had to use No. 11s, even though it was unwise. There was a time for something like this, but now ain't that time.

@backyardhacker7929

3 жыл бұрын

did it break?

I got started with one of these kits. Definitely gave me the Black Powder flu, Now I have a custom Uberti Colt 1860 and a flintlock shotgun in addition to the brass framed 1858 that was in the kit. Overall, it's not something for serious shooting but it's a decent start if nothing else.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

That shotgun must be a lot of fun! Thanks for watching!

I bought an original Remington 44 model 1858 made in 1862 for 2 500 Dollar here in Sweden. i hope it´s not too much for an original revolver, but for me it was worth it.

My friend bought this kit and uses it frequently when we go shooting up in the mountains. It's fun to learn on. Think of it as a gateway drug. It's cheap and easy to get you started. If you don't get addicted you just use it occasionally for fun. If you do, you quickly expand to more advanced black powder muzzle loaders.

I started off with this kit but I didn't know anything about the hobby at the time. This is my only black powder pistol for now.

When I started, just bought a good toolbox from the hardware store, made a list of items and got the, at least what I thought was, the best individual items for the task. That was 1986. I still have most of those original tools today and am perfectly equipped then and now.

I have been shooting black powder arms for over 40 yrs. and I have never bought these so called starter kits. Take my advice and go to your favorite shooting store and buy what you need. Thats what I did and I have everything I need and it was a lot cheaper and you got to pick what you really need. Stay with it and you will do good.

I totally agree with you. Interested shooters should do a lot of research first. Watch videos on shooting and cleaning the guns. Then go out and buy the gun and stuff you need.

This kit is great, it’s a decent revolver and tools to learn on, mine looks pretty rough now after 2 years, got scratches dents and it’s been through ups and downs but it still works. It’s kinda like your first car, you learn with it, if it gets beat up then oh well it’s your first one so no shame. I’ve added two new bp revolvers to my collection since a Walker and a 49 pocket, once I learned from the mistakes of the beater I was prepared to get some more expensive Ubertis to enjoy without a worry of damaging them. I think you make great content but I really think you should’ve looked at the kit in the perspective of someone that wants a simple kit that has the necessities like I did when I started and most other people that bought the kit. And on a side note, I still use all the accessories in the kit no need to get bigger better ones these ones work just fine.

I have seen these kits. Nice idea....but you bring up some good points about the accessories.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Santee!

You answered a lot of the questions I had about starting in black powder. Thank you.

Thanks for taking the time to share about these kits from Traditions which most of us do come across.

Agree with your assessment of the kit

Thanks for the tip. I just started with black powder and wish I saw this video sooner. I did however pick revolver first then the salesman suggested that I get the started kit. Which I did. Love the videos!! Please keep them coming!!

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

That nipple wrench is very soft steel it will round-off before the nipple will come out of the cylinder on a new gun. Been there done that!

@GunsOfTheWest

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Those Traditions wrenches have never stayed in good shape for me for very long. I. Ow use the Slix Wrench from SliXprings and it’s much better.

Hey I really enjoy your videos. I have been shooting blk. powder for over 40yrs. when it was not popular. Thanks for your input.

Good info. Nice to see you posting again. Thank you.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thanks Dustin. I want to get into black powder soon, and you have given me several starting points. Starting with buying a steel framed .36.

@karlt8233

4 жыл бұрын

Elmer Keith wrote about the 1851 Navy .36 in his Sixguns book of the 1950's. He started as a kid in the early 1900's and had several living Civil War veterans ( 1 Union, 1 Confederate) as his mentors. The .36 is not just for those new to black powder its also a top choice in match shooting events. Historically the 1851 Navy .36 was the most widely used pistol from the 1850's thru to the early 1870's. Brass frame revolvers look really good once they have aged a bit and the brass has dulled. They will last many years if you take care of them and avoid shooting heavier loads but steel frame is the way to go.

Bought one of these the other day and I've got the bug. So much fun

Yay, Dustin is back 👍

@maximilianfranz2158

4 жыл бұрын

Moment mal, dich kenne ich doch. J. von Katzenbach?

Awesome to see Dustin is back!

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It’s good to be back!

Good to see you back, Dustin!

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I agree wholeheartedly with you! Those acessories aren't really the ones needed.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

Welcome back Amigo! Okay, I agree with you on the purchase of this kit. However, ya gotta start somewhere. Looks like you basically get to fire off two cylinders. By then, you're hooked and you're back at the store buying more of what you need. Seemed to work that way for me. Back when I was young and broke, I had to buy my stuff piece by piece. So I did it like you were describing. I started out with a used revolver, then I bought a kit gun and then I just kept on from there. Now that I'm an older middle aged man, I own a dozen of these bad boys and I never seem to want to stop. Too much fun. Hey, those brassy guns shoot pretty well. I load them normal. I don't think I could wear one out in my lifetime. Just thinking.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, my friend!

This is great. I was gonna get one of these just to shoot at night. I'll get something a little better now

Brass frame, Colt's week open top design. This type is the one kit, except for historical reenactors beginners should avoid. The Remington New Army (often incorrectly called the model of 1858) is a strong all steel frame design that will give years of excellent service to any beginning, or seasoned shooter.

Good to see you back.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It’s good to be back!

I agree with madog. It's better to start with a .36 not really because the .44 is necessarily more intimidating, but because it's a little wasteful on powder. A pound of powder should last a third longer or better through a .36 than a .44, unless you insist on jamming 27 grain hunting load every time instead of a more reasonable 12-15 grain target/plinking load. The fastest way to lose new cap'n'ball shooters is to make them spend more and therefore shoot less. Nice to see you back, Dustin.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@rwbimbie5854

4 жыл бұрын

I dont understand why the 36 costs MORE than the 44 One would think it should cost LESS, take less time, and cheaper on tooling, to drill smaller holes. I wanted the 36, but I didnt want it bad enough to pay a 20-25% premium for the privilege of 36 over 44. (oh, and the clearance cut for the 44cylinder too.. why does it cost more to NOT make that extra cut??)

@karlt8233

4 жыл бұрын

@@rwbimbie5854 The .36 is very popular with living history crowd and match shooters, but with the average Joe shooter the .44 outsells the .36 by huge margins. That was the answer I got some years ago from a Pietta rep at a show I attended. The 1851 brass frame .44 was their #1 seller at the time.

@eljuano28

3 жыл бұрын

@@rwbimbie5854 , sorry I didn't get a notice that you had commented. I'm not sure the machineries costs have anything to do with the actual retail costs. Volume is a greater factor and as our friend, Karl T noted, Pietta sells more of the .44cal version. There's nothing wrong with it if you feel initial cost is more important than running cost, but if you're patient, .36cals go on sale from time to time. I paid more for one of mine because I wanted something somewhat unusual and had the cash in hand when it came available, but my first one I picked up for a song by watching for good sales. It used to be you could pick up a Pietta for about a hundred bucks, but unless you find a good used one, those days are kind of over. Figure for a very basic .36 cal, $150 if you're very patient and $200 if you're less so and between $250 and $300 if you just have to have it now without shopping around. I bought my "pretty" one for $270, (gun only,) and my plain jane for $130-ish, (gun only.) At the time, those were comparable in price or less than the .44s I saw. Just gotta shop.

Love your channel God bless and keep up the good work.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Wayland Van Zandt Thanks for watching!

welp you've successfully scared me away from these kits they were awfully tempting to start with

I started with a CVA kit that I had to put on layaway it cost 39.95 I was14 at the time little did I know it was an introductory drug at 76 2- 50 rifles, 1of those is flintlock, the other is inline. All my revolvers, 5 Colt Navy's are able to shoot conversion 38 wadcutters. 1 44 Carbine brass framed, 12" bbl. with a stock.

If I couldn't get the Griswold version, this would have been the next best thing.

You're right on Dustin.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I prefer the slotted type “jag” , but that’s just me and I use it in my Hawken style rifle ..

Great video Dustin! Hey just curious in case I missed it do you make a video of a self put together starter kit that would be a good beginner kit? Thank you. Happy Shooting! 😁

I got the Remington one the nipple wrench in mine was trash to small and filled up with what looked to be rust

YES - Helpful - Thanks ! 😎👍

It gets you started im about to buy it soon

Great video very informative.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, brother!

Welcome back

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Particularly for blackpowder I think spending a bit more on a higher quality cleaning kit and loading kit is perhaps even more important than the gun itself. Much as with a scoped rifle you are better off with a cheaper rifle than a cheaper scope.

I put my kit together pretty cheaply a few pieces at a time and my recommendations were from videos like this one it helps allot to learn from people who use these things on the regular basis thanks for the video!

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome! Thanks for watching!

The revolver and everything that would be inside of a lined cased. I can see these given as a gift or someone who might be thinking about getting into percussion revolvers....Kit or not, yeah, you're going to need powder, caps, bullets, more cleaning pactches and a better cleaning rod.

Thank you.

I d say the kits are great idea ..for a complete novice it gives you some idea of the things you need to have and the flask and measure and wrench can last for years!!!

Those are good Italian pistols you take all the parts out and finish them and put them back in and they are excellent check out Elmer's Keith book six gun there's a lot of improvements you can do to use these black powder pistols as slip guns slip gun two-handed shooting you can slick up all the parts

Thank you for the upload. Positive vibes friend.

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Been looking forward to purchasing one of these but, not sure what powders to use or how much. I don't want to blow my hands up.

That’s a nice bar you’re in.

I know this isn’t historicaly correct at all but could you just use brake cleaner to clean it

Agreed

Wish I seen this video first before I bought my kit

100% spot on

Do you think there could be an improved starter kit?

.44 Cal. is a might heavy for a pistol with a brass frame.

Thanks for the video... you just saved me 350 bucks

Well only in America you can buy a gun in blister pack. Here in sweden a modern repro gun like that have the same hurdles as a 357.

I already had a black powder revolver years ago but was never shot. Once I started I picked up the same kit, minus the revolver. Still using the kit as it has worked perfectly for my infrequent shootings.

Now is .36 caliber or .44 caliber better to start out with?

I have this exact package gun deal. Now as far as buying the gun you want and then buying everything separately is a huge mistake UNLESS these products are cheap where you live. I priced every single thingbin this kit and it would have cost me another hundred and something dollars. The whole jit cost me $200+ dollar's with shipping

Oh I really dodged a ball there I was thinking of getting one of those because that’s what they had at scheels but I’ll just look for a navy chambered in .36

@RONIN2025

3 жыл бұрын

You can find Ruger old army for four hundred bucks stainless on guns.com I bought one mine has proper Engraving stamped in I wish I could show you pictures

Buy quality and get what you need when you need it.

I wonder why it seems no one has made frame out of Brasslite or some other alloy with a tensile strength equal to steel

I bought that same gun that probably came in that kit at a fun show for $125 last fall. Recently seen this kit at Cabelas for $250. The gun bran new alone is about $200 so don’t buy the kit. Just the gun used or new. Gun is decent

Is the glue bullets hard enough to shout with hot loads and 12 inch barrels. What glue ‘s might work best for making bullets

@triumphmanful

3 жыл бұрын

Glue ? Bullets are soft molded lead balls ! I bought a double mold and a cast iron pot. Put in some lead wheel weights and heat till they melt. Pour carefully into the mold. Cool and shake out your bullet (balls) onto a soft towel. Easy Peesey !

All that powder and those caps at the 4:10 mark. I wonder when the hell we're going to see that again...

@GunsOfTheWest

2 жыл бұрын

Those were good times for sure!

They should offer steel frame starters.

I disagree. The kit is fantastic for noobs. I was a noob, once. When i bougjt my first 1858, i had no idea what i needed😂 With the blister pack, any noob cam buy powder, caps, and go to the range. After a couple shoots, I knew exactly what i wanted or needed to get. I do agree the blister pack is a waste for an experienced black powder shooter.

@BogeyTheBear

2 жыл бұрын

No one stays a newbie forever, you have to weigh how quickly you'll outgrow the kit versus how fast you could have grown into a much larger, comprehensive setup.

Can you only shoot one bullet at a time and gotta reload each time?for revolvers

@GunsOfTheWest

7 ай бұрын

You can load the entire cylinder and fire six shots before reloading again.

Hey, man, what's your thoughts on the Griswold & Gunnison replicas?

@GunsOfTheWest

3 жыл бұрын

Love it! Here are two videos that I’ve done with it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gpmCupurh7rHebg.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYZ6ktRrhJTScaw.html

I bought one of these for 80$ I knew I’d need more stuff but for that price I couldn’t say no.

@RONIN2025

3 жыл бұрын

Did it come with powder and caps

@michaelcrawford3663

3 жыл бұрын

@@RONIN2025 nope. But I think that was the only two things I needed. They are about 300$ normal price.

The brass ,ay not be as strong as steel but it looks so niiiice...

@tballstaedt7807

4 жыл бұрын

Brass frame revolvers look cool on a wall. Trust me, its usefulness ends there.

Is there an 1858 new model army version of this kit

@GunsOfTheWest

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen them. It’s a brass-frame version.

I just got this kit, my question is, do i simply fill up the powder measure for each ball hole? All the reading stuff that comes with it, does not cover that question. Says I can use 20 to 31 grains but nothing on how to get that.

@karlt8233

4 жыл бұрын

The kit has a powder measure, in the kit shown its in the upper right. It has a slider bar with measurements on it in grain volume. If you have a brass frame gun in .36 cal 15-20gr and for brass frame .44 20-25gr. This will not beat the gun up and pretty close to the historical loads. The average Civil War era paper cartridge .36 loads was 18gr and .44 was 28gr of black powder. If you use Triple Seven reduce your loads by 15% because T7 is stronger and more powerful than black powder or Pyrodex. Edit to add: black powder and black powder substitutes like Pyrodex, Triple Seven are always measured by volume. Never Never by weight.

@SanitysVoid

4 жыл бұрын

@@karlt8233 I finally figured out the measure. Do i just set it to #20 or 25 and fill it up and poor in the revolver's six holes?

@karlt8233

4 жыл бұрын

@@SanitysVoid Once you set the measure to your desired charge you fill the measure from the powder flask. Level with top of measure. Then add that to a cylinder. Insert felt wad over powder, then ball. Seat the ball fully using the loading lever. Do the same steps for the next chamber. Continue until all are loaded. Last step is cap each loaded cylinder. Never Ever cap a cylinder until you have it fully loaded. Do not remove a capped cylinder either. If you drop a capped cylinder it could end badly. I find it easier to fully load one chamber at a time unless I am using a loading stand. Search on KZread for Duelist1954 he has a wealth of videos on all things muzzleloading. If you are on Facebook consider joining the Cap and Ball Forum. Great people there and it's dedicated to cap n ball and flintlock guns.

My problem with starter kits is the accessories are always inadequate

Unfortunately you can't find the starter kits anywhere anymore hardly

@sonicspaceturtle_gaming6772

3 жыл бұрын

I bought mine online at midway usa

@aft5264

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonicspaceturtle_gaming6772 Do they require a signature at the door? I’m 19 in Florida btw I don’t really understand how black powder laws work.

How can I buy one

How much is it bro

1:34 slight flex 😎

4:06 that's cool what store is that

@GunsOfTheWest

2 жыл бұрын

Sportsman’s Warehouse.

@levonsstuff3839

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunsOfTheWest thanks its really far away though :( what are good online sites to buy this kind of stuff

I was wondering: nobody stays a newbie forever, and if someone who bought a starter kit felt ready to move up from a brass-frame Pietta 1851, could they get away with simply ordering a replacement steel frame instead of looking for an entirely new gun?

@humansvd3269

2 жыл бұрын

Just buy steel to begin with.

Thank God for cartridges.

@rwbimbie5854

4 жыл бұрын

If cartridges are so great why didnt IOWA battleships use them for the 16" naval rifles?

@kainofnosgoth5554

4 жыл бұрын

@@rwbimbie5854 that is smoothbore I believe and I'm talking about smallarms. Cartridges are easier and less dangerous than loose powder

@rwbimbie5854

4 жыл бұрын

@@kainofnosgoth5554 Wiki says 1:25 rifling twist I used to joke about leaving one turret Smoothbore, as to treat incoming enemy squadrons as SKEET. 3 Barrels of 2700 One Pound balls at mach 2.5 .. I'm no doctor but that has GOTTA HURT

Did it come with caps and powder?

@GunsOfTheWest

3 жыл бұрын

It didn’t.

@RONIN2025

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunsOfTheWest ty

How much would a kit like this go for?

@natibrandt9343

3 жыл бұрын

280$

Nothing annoys me more than a .44 caliber brass frame “Navy.” Their popularity is entirely a consequence of being cheap, bigger bore, and vaguely historic looking.

@humansvd3269

2 жыл бұрын

I'm willing to bet if it existed back in the 1800s, people would have used 44 cal if they could afford it.

@rezlogan4787

2 жыл бұрын

@@humansvd3269 They did exist. They were called Army caliber revolvers and they were generally carried on horse saddles because they were big. Navy revolvers were always .36 and were better sized for belt carry. Evidently, people of the time didn’t seem to prefer the .44 either, since the .36 revolvers outsold them, and the .31 was the most common caliber carried. The modern inflation of caliber in these reproductions should not be encouraged by consumers who actually want to understand how these weapons historically performed. To my knowledge only Pietta still produces fantasy reproductions with altered dimensions.

@humansvd3269

2 жыл бұрын

@@rezlogan4787 I think the market should determine what's sold. If it's such an issue, send pietta an email asking for more .36.

There is no historically correct bore butter or lube in dealing with BP pistols.

How's the new young'un?

@GunsOfTheWest

4 жыл бұрын

Great, thanks!

you look like heisenberg from breaking bad

@GunsOfTheWest

3 жыл бұрын

I can’t argue. I even see the resemblance myself. LOL!

HELLO DUSTIN! i bought that kit C: unfortunately the nipple wrench is made of extremely soft metal so it kinda sucks.

wait, how much is it?

@brycealthoff8092

4 жыл бұрын

Where I live, they normally run in the ballpark of $200. Personally I agree with Dustin. You’re going to get a better kit if you what comes in this one as a shopping list. You’re going to spend about $100 more, but you will be a lot better off in the long run. What comes in this kit won’t last you long.

I do agree - there is no real value here and barely gets you going on the range before you need to purchase more. building your own kit will get you much better components for your value as you can purchase larger sizes.

I disagree with your assessment of the powder flask. I find it more than adequate for casual shooting. The other stuff I agree is crap, especially the nipple wrench, that bent all to H*ll the first I used it.