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@inversiold1751

6 жыл бұрын

I do think that the movie is no better than any marvel movie, it may have better themes in the movie and coloring (and a really decent soundtrack) but I don’t think that beyond that it executed anything well at all. The acting is meh for too many of the cast, other than the ideas, this movie is about as by the books as you can get and The cgi is flat out bad. To be honest, Black Panther is flat out mediocre in character interactions (besides killmonger), to be honest, from a direction standpoint, at times, it’s flat out shit. At times I think It takes all the good things from marvel and shits it out, while taking all the bad part of the marvel franchise and giving it a rhetorical jerk. The movie is just more interesting to think about than watch, and only bothers to express the ideas through dialogue rather than through anything visual, imo it didn’t even bother to take advantage of the visual median in any meaningful way.

@gremlinspeaks7190

6 жыл бұрын

Tbh I thought the bathos was worse in this film than in Thor Shuri was a borderline meme and gadget dispenser Thor had a consistent tone while Black Panther bounced around a bit While Black Panther had less bathos,how it was used made it much jarring.

@Gemnist98

6 жыл бұрын

I've not yet seen Black Panther (IKR?), but I must respectfully disagree that Marvel movies are just "passable", especially when people often don't give reasons why, instead focusing on the broad picture of why the franchise is bad rather than why each individual movie is bad, and that includes your bathos video (for the record, the tone was the best element of Wonder Woman). Marvel movies are flawed - I mean, every movie is, even Schindler's List - but to say that they are nothing more than just blockbusters misses the point sometimes, depending on the movie in question. I would be willing to explain specific points, but that will set the bomb off, so I'll only do it if you want me too.

@theemperiumofkek1362

6 жыл бұрын

Not everyone who doesn't like the movie is racist, and Wakandans are exceptionnally prejudiced and racist

@timy9197

6 жыл бұрын

"I understood that reference"-Cap Also, you are wise to predict that.

When comparing Thor: Ragnarok & Black Panther the most important thing to consider is tone and intention. Taika Waititi has explained in multiple interviews that the reason Ragnarok constantly employs bathos is because he set out to make a comedy in order to humanize Thor and add colour to an otherwise dull MCU. Waititi is also notorious for improv, as he believes the best parts of life are never scripted and that people almost always deal with things comedically / humorously rather than on a more heavy handed note. On the other hand, Ryan Coogler had a different vision. He set out to tell a story that's been twenty years in the making for a lot of people and with a voice that Hollywood hardly hands a microphone. They had drastically different visions and both directors did well in executing them.

@spidavenom4

4 жыл бұрын

He wasn’t shitting on Ragnarok, he was using it as a juxtaposition because that movie epitomizes everything opposite of black panther, and his main problems with MCU films. He wasn’t saying it’s a bad or dumb movie.

@harlinaindra6679

4 жыл бұрын

He kind of was not so favourable of Thor Ragnarok (Thor 3). They tried serious brooding Thor in Thor 1 and 2, but it didn't work out that well... Not relatable enough.

@samkeller5823

3 жыл бұрын

For me, it doesn't humanize Thor, kinda the opposite actually. It makes him come of as more shallow and self-absorbed.

@kacethegreat4560

3 жыл бұрын

Ragnarok doesn’t humanize Thor at all imo.. if anything it made me question who he is really.. Ragnarok is not a happy event, it’s not a joke.. but the movie plays it all so much for laughs that by the end none of it really felt impactful.. when you make a powerhouse like Surtur the butt of a joke within the first 15 minutes then your intentions are definitely not humanization of the hero especially when you know their history and Surtur’s history with Odin. Hela was the only character that felt like she was belonged in the movie, she wasn’t brooding but she took it all seriously.. Thor acted like he was on a theme park ride half the time and don’t even get me started on how they wasted that Hulk storyline..they did to Thor the same thing they did to Drax, turned self serious powerful beings into jokesters, and bros.. which is for better or worse..

@spidermanhayne5401

2 жыл бұрын

@@kacethegreat4560 how are you supposed to humanise a space god that lives on a floating world with a magic hammer? To be fair Thor in ragnarok is nothing like in the comics, that Thor closely resembles to the Thor in the first 2 movies, and we all know they were uninteresting and dull movies and ultimately a boring character. Waititi adapted humour to add a element to his character, a different layer that we could relate to, something that would be a universal understanding. Thors behaviour is justified and understandable given the events of infinity war and end game, he gave up who he was meant to be (a stoic emotionless god) to be who he is, Thor.

I guess another thing I loved about Black Panther (aside from everything you mentioned) is how grounded the stakes felt. I'm tired of action blockbusters (including Marvel movies, but especially all the DC movies) immediately jumping onto the villain wanting to destroy/rule the world. We KNOW the world isn't gonna end, so those stakes never feel real. Here though, it was a much more realistic clash over how a country should be governed, and the stakes actually felt bigger because I was actually invested.

@kayjayhay

6 жыл бұрын

I thought it was fitting too. Wakanda was T'Challa's entire world, so in a way the stakes were grounded but still felt as monumental as a fight for the world should. He stood to lose everything he loved and their way of life in a way that would cast them as villains around the world and in the history books. And I think Killmonger being the opposite side of the coin for T'Challa helped. You got the sense that Killmonger was a villain rooted in a "what if" for the hero. What if that was me? What if he's right? I don't think any other villain has given us that to date in such a personal way even if we disagree with the methods.

@elizabeths123

6 жыл бұрын

Kiera Anderson that's very true. The stakes felt big not because they were large on some monumental scale, but because they mattered to our protagonists, and because the movie spent a lot of time showing how beautiful Wakanda is. Contrast it to Sokovia, another fictional country. Sure the final battle had fun moments, but Sokovia was just another bland setting to be destroyed. And yeah, Killmonger being a shadow of T'Challa definitely his conflict with him feel much more personal.

@kayjayhay

6 жыл бұрын

That's a great point about Sokovia. The world building for Wakanda was on point. It felt like a place you'd mourn if it was destroyed. I can't recall feeling that way about any other setting in the MCU, even when it's deeply personal to the characters, like Asgard.

@CTina807

6 жыл бұрын

you know? Grounded is the exact word I've been using to describe this movie. It's not an extra dimension, it's not an army of robots or aliens, it's a family fight. Yes, Wakanda doesn't exist BUT if it did, it would make perfect sense for someone to have issues with it staying to itself and not helping out the rest of the world. I think is a reason so many may be disappointed with this film, because it's not as large and fantasical as people are use to.

@kayjayhay

6 жыл бұрын

You know it's funny because as grounded as this story was emotionally, to me, as a black American, it felt wonderfully fantastical because Wakanda is so untouched by colonialism. Killmonger thinking that it was just a fairytale is such a realistic sentiment sadly. A place where you belong and are accepted for the things the rest of the world has spent centuries denigrating you for? I think anyone disappointed in it because it doesn't have the superhero saves the universe scale has never really thought about how much of a fantasy that unapologetic pride and acceptance on a cultural scale is. And so the act of giving up isolationism is both beautiful and truly scary. The kids we meet throughout the movie in the US deserve to feel that way too, but in order for them to experience that joy and appreciation, Wakanda and its people will have to sacrifice something. It's kind of like GotG2, where yeah it's about family and how love can make you vulnerable and strong if you embrace the vulnerability.

When you explained the double reversal method and how that came into play when killmonger realizes the beauty of Wakanda before he passes, man that legit fucking moved me. The way you break down film is Incredible, and now I really want to the read the anatomy of story. Great stuff keep doing it!

I'm Nigerian and I went for the 4:15 showing at the theater and it was sold out, I ended up having to wait till 5:40. god, it was worth the wait. Every time, I saw or heard something that looked like it came from Nigeria I got this weird tingle in my spine. I think I almost died when I saw the cowry shells. Oh and the Wakandan word for Father, Baba, is the same as the Yoruba word for Father. I think my favourite scene was the one in the beginning with the kidnapped girls in the forest. Reminded me of Boko haram and the Chibok girls so watching them get beaten up (by other Africans no less, not white people) was weirdly cathartic.

@uchechukwuunigwe6520

4 жыл бұрын

Yes to all of this

@Black_pearl_adrift

2 жыл бұрын

I remember watching this movie three times in theatres, once with my marvel loving friends, once with my whole family- wearing traditional garb, and again with my friends. We couldn't get over this movie. It was amazing.

My favorite scene in this movie, is the second interaction between T'challa and T'chaka. It was the moment where T'challa, who has respected and almost revered his father, call T'chaka out on his mistake.

@theivoryhermit

6 жыл бұрын

yeah, that was moving. I'll give it that

@xlrouge

6 жыл бұрын

Yup! A very intense and brave move from the filmmakers to put flaws in the father figure. In a way that’s the Reconciliation with the Father beat in The hero’s journey, when the son fixes the errors of his tradition or father (like Luke Skywalker redeeming his father)

@Kitanael

6 жыл бұрын

chaoszieg eyactly. The villain was interesting, but the writing bad.

“Black Panther is about the responsibility that people belonging to oppressed communities have when they manage to attain wealth and power for themselves.” This single comment made me stop and rethink a lot. I've heard many critiques of those football players, many being called hypocrites because they're wealthy and powerful. But I realized what they're doing only works if they are in fact wealthy and powerful. If they were just some guy on the street taking a knee, no one would care. This was really enlightening for me. As a white middle class citizen with a good job and relatively comfortable life, this also made me think deeper about the responsibility I have in general to less fortunate individuals. This is great content because it takes a topic as seemingly trivial as comic book movies and offers real world insight into serious social issues, so for that I thank you.

@KookiesNolly

6 жыл бұрын

I don't really see how it fits here. Maybe it's because as an African I don't attach my identity to my skin color as much as African Americans do but Wakandans were never part of the oppressed community. They were their own community, separated from the rest of Africa, even before Europeans came along. I think he was kinda throwing away the African perspective even though the movie fully acknowledges it.

@Sageboy13

5 жыл бұрын

audiofender love your comment man, I’m glad you were able to look at things more multi layered than most people

@malum-inse

5 жыл бұрын

Using your wealth and power to invest into rebuilding your run down neighborhood says a lot more about a person than taking a knee. It's about what you do with that wealth and power that makes the difference.

@HypnoLuna

5 жыл бұрын

+

@ginsengaddict

5 жыл бұрын

@@malum-inse Taking a knee to protest the murder of innocent unarmed civilians by violent cops is no less heroic than spending your own money to rebuild your community.

I believe Thor is happy because he’s numb to tragedy, watching his mother die, his brother who faked his death, his father, and the fate of Asgard. He goes into detail about it in Infinity War, how he lost so much, so he fights and masks his tragedy, for he has nothing left to lose.

@emmarellda181

6 жыл бұрын

he is so old and has seen so much death, it doesnt bother him anymore. the one person he actually knew and wanted was Loki, even after Loki betrayed him, he never gave up on him. I think in Infinity war when Loki dies, its more powerful because you see how much Loki meant to him.

@Braktooth

5 жыл бұрын

I think it was just that the writing in Infinity War was better. Ragnarok was enjoyable, but the tone was completely wrong for the material.

@Rs2006REMAKEVids

5 жыл бұрын

Ragnarok was the only Thor movie I thought was any good. And also one of the only Marvel movie that stood out in recent memory. Otherwise, there’s Doctor Strange, Infinity War, and Into The Spiderverse (which is the best)

@SeanWonder

5 жыл бұрын

@@Braktooth THIS

@theoneslayer8560

5 жыл бұрын

@@Rs2006REMAKEVids Into the Spider-Verse isn't the MCU tho.

This was one of my favorite marvel movies, I like marvel movies in general but I really liked that Black Panther didn't have a joke every two seconds.

You've got to admit they've been doing something quite interesting recently, they've finally started to drastically change their character's appearances to show their characters' growths. Thor and captain America being the best examples. Thor's change to symbolise how he's matured and started to take more responsibility, as shown by his missing eye (a callback to his father and the meaning behind why he has a missing eye) and his shorter hair as well as his less eccentric and warrior like clothes. Captain America's change being his lack of the American flag's colours to show his disillusionment with his country and his previous status as captain America

@HxH2011DRA

6 жыл бұрын

TheFunnyhouston They're growing the beard~

@brucebanana4486

6 жыл бұрын

TheFunnyhouston as well technical levels, the music score is great, the cinemaphotorghy improves better. However, the way shot conversation is really boring because is all close up shots.

@ThePa1riot

6 жыл бұрын

People keep saying Cap’s disillusioned “with his country” but I think that’s projection on their part. Cap took a stance against the UN Sokovia Accords. Before that, he gave the “price of freedom is high” speech in the Winter Soldier. If by disillusioned with institutions and governments is what they mean then they’re absolutely right, but that’s a narrow definition of American patriotism. Steve’s downfall comes more from the fact that because he stands by his ideals to a fault, he’s made himself a pariah and is feeling the weight of his own conviction.

@CabezasDePescado

6 жыл бұрын

Both changes to Thor and Captain America are dumb

@billlee3851

6 жыл бұрын

Thor has already changed a lot after Thor 1, and beyond that he hasn't a single bit

The fight scene you said was guilty of including bathos was really much more than that though. Dana Gurira's character throwing that wig was also powerful symbolism and it's quickly become one of the more talked-about moments as well.

@Ptaku93

6 жыл бұрын

care to explain this powerful symbolism?

@Armendicus

6 жыл бұрын

A lot of black girls grow up under the European standard of what beautiful hair is and feel like they have to live up to it but can't due to our unruly hair (Most black peoples hair is very rough and short unless worn in certain styles). Black girls growing up unsatisfied with their natural hair is the reason why the weeve/wig industry is so large in the black community . The wig had long flowing hair (which is seen as traditional standard beauty in the west) where as Okoye (danai's character) feels more at home with a bald head *(which in her culture is a more accepted beauty style)* and expresses discomfort with using said wig to feel more "normal". *TL;DR Answer:* It was good to see a black women feel comfortable in her own skin and hair for alot of young women , though this is not first time this has happen. I feel like the wig throwing thing was more of a gag with the confidence thing tied to it. Like it was not meant to be taken too seriously even though it made a statement.

@devzeppilin

6 жыл бұрын

If you haven't, watch the KZread video of director Ryan Coogler breaking that scene down. It's brilliant!

@Stinglikeabee625

6 жыл бұрын

@none of your business that is not the point he/she was trying to make... what was said in that comment was not against black woman at all... we don't have to always be on the defensive

@greghawkins59

6 жыл бұрын

NoneOf YourBusiness you missed the point a bit there. He may have used the wrong words but everyone knows what he meant

The actors also worked great together! None of the scenes seemed unintentionally awkward; the small talk and sibling jibes were realistic, and nothing seemed like filler material, as dialogue either set up a plot point, better established characters, or was entertaining to watch. The movie is engaging throughout the whole thing, and you can’t look away.

“Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors who jumped from ships because they knew death was better than bondage” That is one of the best lines in Marvel history.

@Soft_Ghost

4 жыл бұрын

It is. Until you realize his ancestor is actually of royal blood from a country so advance and secluded from the world since the primal days, and no slavery has ever touch any of his ancestors before.

@jubxxlee

4 жыл бұрын

what about his mom in oakland?

@kossettereaditte7552

4 жыл бұрын

No its not

@MostlyPonies1

4 жыл бұрын

@@Soft_Ghost It's worse because he knows this and still says the line.

@sryan9547

4 жыл бұрын

@@Soft_Ghost His mom

It was the performances that really did it for me. I was engaged with every character, they all had something to offer.

@svenservette4197

6 жыл бұрын

Fantastic movie!

@CoolDudeProducts

6 жыл бұрын

Except for the blanket rhino dude, worst character ever. Loved the all the other characters but the Marvel formula really gets in the way. I give this movie a C+ it tried but it still feels like a good yet predictable dull marvel films with some great ideas and mostly only “ok” execution. Also was it just me or did the CGI look bad... like really bad. They didn’t really try to hide it. Especially that last fight.

@timy9197

6 жыл бұрын

+CoolDude Productions people throw the word formula around way too lazily.

@CoolDudeProducts

6 жыл бұрын

Ti My but I’m not. As a filmmaker marvel has a pattern, a formula, something that makes it a marvel film. JUST Write above even points it out. Bathos, predictable arcs, bad villains (not this one per say), ok vfx, fight scenes, simplistic to follow plots, etc. This is to maximize butts in a seat due to them attempting the light hearted feel good films that makes “70%-80%” happy. Not to mention the foreign market. Yes the true creators and Artist will do there best within the producers guidelines. This film is not outside of that. It just wants you to think I is. Make no mistake this film is a simple calculated money risk that leans to making Marvel and Disney thousands of dollars. Do I think it has kept artistic dignity ... meh. Not really. It doesn’t do anything that ground breaking and when the film has glimpses of greatness in form, the film pulls back. So yea this film is formula over form. And believe me when I say this, there formula sells better at the moment then taking a risk on form.

@DominantBlaze

6 жыл бұрын

CoolDude, if some day you would get a chance to become a film maker, you would realize how incredibly difficult it is. How difficult it is to create an ENTERTAINING and EMOTIONAL movie for audiences. Just look at all the incredibly bad movies that far outnumber the good ones. All those bad films probably had someone there who wanted to make a good film, it just didn't work. There is a FORMULA to making an entertaining film, and Just Write has talked about a number of the crucial ingredients required in the storytelling. Black Panther had passionate film makers behind the scenes who strove to make the best Black Panther film they could, and I'd say they succeeded. It's not perfect, what movie is? And it seems it is only a perfect film that would make you happy, or some other ideal you've decided they should reach. Ground breaking? How do you define that? is it really necessary for a film to be ground breaking (according to your personal standards) for it to be entertaining and a success? It's just a movie to be enjoyed by audiences for 2 hours, not a presidential speech.

You know why I liked this movie? It made me feel. A marvel movie hadn't made me feel in a long while now. Sure I get excited and I laugh, maybe get a pang of feels for a second, but Black Panther made me feel throughout the movie. I was in awe, I was worried, sad, happy, excited, somber. It let the feelings be real. It held them long enough to mean something.

@Ukaran

6 жыл бұрын

Are you black?

@superking962

6 жыл бұрын

Ukaran Why does it matter??

@IceFire9yt

6 жыл бұрын

The end of GOTG2, though. Yondu confronting Rocket 'I know who you are boy, because you're me.'. Nebula and Gamora reconciling and talking out the abuse they suffered as kids. Peter realizing that Yondu had been the father he'd been searching for all along, just as he lost him. Yondu getting the funeral he'd never thought he'd have- his honor restored in death. Rocket realizing that he DOES have a family and they aren't going to desert him. Sorry, I just rewatched GOTG2 the other day, and I had some intense emotions there. Black Panther is awesome too.

@milboxr9772

6 жыл бұрын

IceFire9yt yea but gotg 2 had so many jokes literally every 2 minutes that just made all of that seem redundant, I was just waiting for the next meh joke all throughout

@Ukaran

6 жыл бұрын

Just curiousity.

As much as I loved Thor Ragnarok (I feel the humor helped it from becoming an angst fest), Black Panther is probably the best Marvel movie. The story is moving, the characters aren't boring, the soundtrack is phenomenal. Also all of the women in that movie are sooooo well written and awesome. No Mary Jane's here man.

@cauldierremckay1550

4 жыл бұрын

Def not the best. Mainly cuz the villain has to share screentime so the movie feels like two movies. The beginning and end are so drastically diff. Storytelling wise, it's a little iffy. And the third act got really "still a big marvel movie so here's some grunts fighting"

@DRush76

2 жыл бұрын

I would have preferred an angst fest, because I believe it would have suited the movie's narrative a lot better.

Just saw the movie for the first time last night....and damn it was good. I wonder if Killmonger is the true protagonist....like it was actually a Shakespearean-like tragedy of a king.

@Whatt787

6 жыл бұрын

lol

Marvel has been getting better at their villains with their latest movies. Vulture, Hela and Killmonger were all much more engaging than all of Marvels Phase 1&2 - Villains combined (except Loki, whom they reused over and over). Kinda gives me hope for Thanos :)

@michaeljackson4538

6 жыл бұрын

Vulture, Hela, sucked, killmonger great

@maltesohns278

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Jackson I can get when smb. says Hela, since she had way too little screentime. But Vulture? Elaborate please

@DanBrown96

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you expect about Thanos. I predict he'll be the standard Marvel "trying to take over the universe" type villain.

@chiveerum

6 жыл бұрын

Vulture was great. Hela was pretty much a standard cardboard villain. Blanchett was as good as could be expected given that but still...

@arturofernandez4058

6 жыл бұрын

Hela was [Insert generic villain here], but Vulture was great. As for Thanos, he's not exactly standard (He doesn't want to take over the universe, he wants to destroy it to impress Death because he's in love with her. I know, not very different, but there's still margin for it to be interesting), I'm actually a bit scared. Marvel has a hard job, but it is still possible for him to be a compelling villain. If not, he'll end up like Apocalypse, a suposedly engame villain that turns out generic and bland.

I think Winter Soldier and Civil War successfully explored meaningful political themes as well, but Black Panther definitely stands above most of the MCU. And it definitely has the best villain IMO.

@royalewithcheese2309

6 жыл бұрын

DrMonkeyBoyJr nope

@njstuckey

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah the Captain America movies are certainly better than the rest of MCU in that regard (which IMO is ok because the MCU is about telling superhero stories not necessarily making deep commentary). Civil war had a thin plot in regards to "mega hero fight" and thus its bigger plot was not as good as Black Panther. But the conflict between Iron Man and Cap was spot on and I would argue equally meaningful (and personal) as that between T'Challa and Killmonger. Then again...that airport fight was badass and cool to watch. It's what I wanted to see. Black Panther is I think a better movie but Civil War is still my favorite superhero movie.

@Ezio999Auditore

6 жыл бұрын

kek

@juanprc10

6 жыл бұрын

Best villain? Yeah right. Not only was he set up in the most ridiculous way, but his motivations and subsequent actions because of said motivations are nonsensical. Basically, he decides to kill everyone, no matter how innocent, good or defenseless they are, only because his father dies and a bunch of people are "in need". So his father's death caused him pain right and he feels the plight of others, yet his solution is to cause even more death and suffering. All mcu movies are mediocre at best, with the exception of the first ironman, hulk and maybe, maybe the winter soldier.

@travisbewley7084

6 жыл бұрын

JP RC i think the point is that unlike the king of the land he has no power except violence to achieve that goal. When power structures keep meaningful change out of peoples hands then violence to change is inevitable.

Couldn't agree more about the Bathos thing. I really did enjoy Ragnorok, but the whole time I was watching it, I was like, "tune down the quipping, geez." Ya know?

@mr.pavone9719

4 жыл бұрын

Seriously, let the audience alone to feel something and we'll enjoy the movie more. With no lows the highs mean nothing.

@violetlavi2207

4 жыл бұрын

I think that was Waititi's intention, though. He set out to make a comedy movie

"The sun will never set on the Wakandan Empire!" ...holy SHIT I just got that double-meaning. He longed to see the beautiful Wakandan sunrise ever since his father told him stories about it, but in taking over Wakanda and trying to turn it into an empire, Killmonger almost "killed" that very dawn.

Thank you for pointing out that Killmonger is basically a Korra villain. That's the first thing I thought when I watched the film. It's an interesting approach to crafting villains that more films should make use of.

Great video as usual... Let's all agree that pretty much all MCU Dads are decidedly flawed, yes? Secret killings... kidnappings... banishments... weapons deals... vendettas... WIFE KILLINGS...

I love the Killmonger theme and I can't get it out of my head and its my favorite villain theme of all time

Any true Marvel fan appreciates the Stan Lee cameos, because he & Jack Kirby essentially created the foundation for Marvel (including Black Panther). Plus the guy's 95 & should be honored while he's still with us.

@jonnyengman117

6 жыл бұрын

Blackton Obvious! And its a bit like Hitchcock.

@MoCa1979Jr

6 жыл бұрын

+Jonny Engman I just hope they reveal Stan Lee's really a Watcher in disguise.

@jonnyengman117

6 жыл бұрын

Blackton Obvious! Great idea.

@johnathanclark79

6 жыл бұрын

Blackton Obvious! They kinda already did in Guardians of the Galaxy 2

@siddhantsharma7728

6 жыл бұрын

johnathan clark He should be One above All. True God of Marvel Universe.

I don't know if I am more thankful for a new just write video or for black panther in the MCU, but I know is a good day.

This video is amazing, it articulates a huge amount of my emotions and thoughts around black panther. My only qualm is that even though bathos is overdone and interferes with the viewers emotional connection with a movie, bathos is not necessarily a problem especially in the case of Thor which meant to be a fun romp with light cracks and fun visuals. Developing a sense of meaning was not really necessary for that type of movie. Does it still count as a failed story if it never even had the goal of connecting deeply with the audience?

Whilst I agree with everything you've said in this video.. To suggest that the Killmonger theme is memorable, especially more so than other marvel themes is ridiculous. The most memorable theme from this film is the big brass motif for Wakanda. Marvel movies do have some bad scores here and there but when they get it right, its brilliant. The Avengers theme is the most memorable theme to come out of the MCU and is EPIC. Iron-man (3), Ant-man, Dr Strange, Captain America (1), GOTG are all memorable themes that stick in your head even after one watch. The problem with the MCU movies is the lack of continuity between filmmakers and composers. Alan Silvestri wrote a brilliant score for Captain America with a memorable main theme and that was thrown out the window for no reason in the 2nd and 3rd films in his trilogy. Thats the issue with the music!

@tuffkay7864

5 жыл бұрын

For me what makes the Killmonger theme so brilliant is how unique it is. The Wakanda theme is also great for sure, but its another movie theme created with an orchestra. The Killmonger theme had its roots in trap music and so for me it was this wonderful and unexpected surprise.

@Sageboy13

5 жыл бұрын

ibanezman04 it’s called an opinion bro

What about those battle rhinos? Best side characters ever. Period.

@Schwartzbruder1

6 жыл бұрын

Original Dave battle rhinos with vibranium armor!!!!!! Jesus

@ashmitanandy

6 жыл бұрын

That's what I've been saying!! Yes!!

@MM-hk4pb

4 жыл бұрын

@Original Dave kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zoys3Jagf5vXpso.html

This is why I LOVE the MCU, I loved thor ragnarok because at that point that's what I (MY OPINION) wanted from the next thor movie. and the fact that these movie's tone can be different and yet be connected is what I love. the team up avengers, the space guardian galaxy the solo movies.

@Exel3nce

6 жыл бұрын

Midnight good for you then...i guess

@Midnight93933

6 жыл бұрын

thank you very much

@jasonb97

6 жыл бұрын

Ragnarok is what Thor: The Dark World should be... And Ragnarok should be a bit more serious (same events happening, but more serious execution)... Unfortunately comedy was the only way for Ragnarok to be successful... Thor isn't really the strongest brand of Marvel...

@darkdeepa

6 жыл бұрын

Midnight couldn't agree MORE! What the MCU is doing is ridiculously amazing!

Just stumbled across your channel today. As a screenwriter, your videos are EXTREMELY helpful. So happy I found this channel haha. Great work. Keep it up!

If they didn’t use it in so Many other movies, it would have been cool that kill-monger was the same as black Panther for the costume. But the “We’re the same, you and I” trope is getting old.

Black Panther had it's own flaws in my opinion but completely agreed with you. This is why I wanted AoU to be more serious and dark but the tension was just never there (well there was but nowhere near I wanted). Hopefully Infinity War will be way more serious than any Marvel movies we've seen. I wouldn't mind if the Avengers joked here and there in the beginning, when Thanos hasn't arrived but if Thanos punches someone and we get a funny joke from someone after a minute, I'd probably be disappointed.

@unklesamory9425

6 жыл бұрын

I'd say the flaws were that it kinda failed where the other Marvel movies usually kill, The action scenes left more to be desired and the technology was not well explained. Sidenote why would the wakandans use Rhino's....why not Robo Panthers.....that was just weird. Some people say the CGI but i don't think the MCU has ever had perfect CGI...not ever.Green screen moments were rife in Thor Ragnarok. It was refreshing to not hear a joke every 10 minutes.

@FinlandBrawler17

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, I felt like the action scenes could have been even more polished too. The final fight between BP and Killmonger felt really short and the choreography wasn't that impressive either. BP from Civil War did so many kicks and locks compared to his solo movie. I found it refreshing as well that there wasn't jokes made so frequently. Like BP kicking the armor was a funny scene but every other moment were pretty seriously handled, which I respect a lot. I think those rhinos belonged to the certain tribe that took care of them for years (maybe even centuries? Not entirely sure). But yeah, they could have had robo rhinos or rhinos with armory that could have had the same shield like the other people too.

@aidan2259

6 жыл бұрын

Also, the way everything was narrated felt chaotic. Like, first there's this guy who stole the vibranium but then he's killed and now the main issue changes to some political shit. Like, they could've omitted him and it wouldn't change much.

@davidazul9298

6 жыл бұрын

Miihoo I felt the same way about AoU. I tried to figure out why, then I realized it was because the AoU trailers didn't set the right tone. None of Marvels trailers are honest. In AoU trailers Ultron was menacing, not the evil jokey version of snarky Stark. All the stakes felt high for all the avengers in the trailer, not so when I actually saw the movie.

@zariconner370

6 жыл бұрын

My real issue with the movie (despite how much I liked it) was how predictable it was. It followed the three act structure to a fault. When I was watching it I predicted the outcome of almost every major fight scene or character moment (not all but most). Thats not necessarily a bad thing I would rather have a clearly structured story than a story with messed up pacing and no real structure.

So..i've seen it twice, and I've got to say, I've enjoyed it even more the second time. Knowing the set ups and the pay offs beforehand, I could more easily follow the little hints here and there about the big twist. Masterfully laid out. Not in a breadcrumb way, but in a genuinely simple "woah...that's...awesome" way. Also the end, was wonderful. Jordan killed it (no pun intended) as Killmonger, and I wish we could have seen more of him. But like Loki, he is better off in this one little bit, to be savored, rather than drawn out to be bland as Loki has unfortunately become (let's be honest, he's a shell of his former self in Ragnarok..I mean, Thor, mister brawn, outsmarts him multiple times) Also we see a genuine shift in the traditional hero trope where the hero understands his position of status quo is not necessarily what needs to be maintained. Excellent stuff. Supporting cast was phenomenal as well

@juicemanbenji

6 жыл бұрын

poodlemeister22314 Loki did steal the tesseract at the end 😏 so he’s still maintained his mischievous side

@poodlemeister22314

6 жыл бұрын

JuiceMan Benji Gaming mischievous doesn't mean good. He is just the butt off all the jokes now and someone for Thor to throw on people. I really liked him to begin, in thor and avengers... Other than that he isn't much anymore

@gunswordfist

6 жыл бұрын

"Because it works doesn't mean it can't be improved!"

@SILK97

6 жыл бұрын

Saw it my second time last nite! Very start of the movie I noticed another piece of the puzzle. Just before the narration on the origin of Wakanda, a small boy's voice says "Baba, tell me the story of your home again". Then you hear a man go on to narrate the origin of Wakanda. Didn't catch that at first, but 2nd time I knew exactly who the father and son were, so freakin awesome

@poodlemeister22314

6 жыл бұрын

King Savage97 yup, the boy is Erik, and the father is N'jobo(sp?)

"Not a millisecond setting up other movies " so the end credit scenes mean nothing lol.

@mr.pavone9719

4 жыл бұрын

That seems to apply to the actual story that matters. The epilogue is optional and takes place after the main plot ends. So not a single moment of the story that mattered was wasted setting up later movies.

Bathos is simply a creative choice Marvel have made for most of their films. In their eyes it's not a flaw to be corrected, it's just their signature style. I personally don't think it takes away the drama either, I cried my eyes out at the end of GotG vol 2.

Thor Ragnarok was the biggest offender of bathos to me. Every single emotional moment was immediately undercut. Odin's death, any conflict within the Hulk, the destruction of Asgard. All completely undercut by jokes.

@Shoulderpads-mcgee

6 жыл бұрын

SARO I agree. I love that movie but I hated when korg made a joke at Asgard's expense and I hate how the warriors threes' death were glossed over completely

@domingosneto6761

6 жыл бұрын

Shoulderpads-mcgee same here. Enjoyed it a lot, but the jokes kept getting in the way of all the emotional parts

@bugman511

6 жыл бұрын

I didn't think Odin's death was undercut. Maybe I forgot the joke they made afterward. But yeah, Asgard being destroyed probably should have had a more meaningful impact on the charactes than a quick joke.

@D__Cain

6 жыл бұрын

SARO but they were good jokes that actually made you laugh. Thor Rag was that bitch

@arubinojr5670

6 жыл бұрын

I don't remember the joke during Odin's death either, and it sounds like that scene was actually made much more serious and respectful than the original idea of him being a madman running around New York. The Korg joke at the end was probably more painful than some of them though because you saw where it was going from the beginning and yet had to wait it out.

Even though I enjoy most of the Marvel Studios movies, this one's unquestionably my favorite so far. I wholeheartedly recommend it.

@haleyspence

6 жыл бұрын

Definitely in the top 3 for me, I'd have to give some thought as to what my ultimate favorite is.

Funny how the vast majority in the critical consensus, the professional critics (whose job it is to analyze film, and break them down to see what works and what doesn't) don't seem to see any of the problems you named in the vast majority of MCU films. Like they know MCU films are not about the villains, they're about the heroes so the heroes get the screen time and are fleshed out, because, like they are the ones teaming up and doing the crossovers. You still don't get that. And not ALL of the dramatic moments get under cut, many dramatic moments are allowed to stand. Like the moment between Strange & The Ancient One while she was dying, Or moments between Stark & Obadiah (the Betrayal scene), or Pepper & Stane (computer download), between Loki & Odin (when he confronted his father about his adoption in Thor 1), in fact the funny stuff is always well balanced by the serious stuff in the majority of MCU movies, but you seem to miss that. Or... do you?

I very much enjoyed this film with its interesting characters and storytelling and the performances. My only issues were that some of the action scenes (with the exception of the casino fight) and the bad CGI taking me out of the film for a bit, but the story and performances were able to reel me back in.

This is EXACTLY what I said about Thor when I saw it. I loved learning more about this! Great video!

@rmsgrey

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, while I disagreed about several of the moments picked as illustrations of the "bathos problem" in the previous video - which I'm not going to rehash here - I came out of Ragnarok dissatisfied, precisely because it never takes anything that happens seriously. I watched it the same day as Kingsman 2 which I enjoyed more because it did take its serious moments seriously. Without wanting to spoil anything for those who haven't seen it: Country Roads.

@thoomolong

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, literally everyone who disliked Thor 3 (and some who liked it) said the exact same thing.

@greghawkins59

6 жыл бұрын

Omg yes, I detested that film, especially the korg character.

@poyi1013

6 жыл бұрын

I love thor... it's funny as hell and crazy wild color and Hulk Smashes! Even the god of death is funny.

@msmith6731

6 жыл бұрын

Interestingly, Kingsman 2 originally undercut the seriousness of the Country Road scene with a later joke. Test audiences reacted poorly, so they cut the later moment.

Also, Black Panther got past one of _Disney's_ most annoying flaws: actually addressing that slavery and racism actually exists in real life. Seriously, it was REALLY weird that there were no concentration camps or segregation in Captain America: The First Avenger. Almost creepy even.

@TacticalMikey

6 жыл бұрын

That was World War 2, buddy, not Captain America's time period.

@samboujaiteh3331

6 жыл бұрын

Todd Brill True, but Wakanda didn’t let anyone in their country. They don’t want anyone at all. Even other Africans.

@sarasamaletdin4574

6 жыл бұрын

Captain America was not set in the end of the war around the area where the camps were. You might have gone things differently but it’s not creepy to do different things. There are so many WWII films that aren’t superhero films that don’t feature those either.

@josetato

6 жыл бұрын

Todd Brill they dont allow any foreigner, not only white people or any other race.

@cleanpiss

6 жыл бұрын

Brother Mike It is his time period though.

*THE MOVIE HAD ME IN MY FEELS😭😭😭😭💕💕💕💕💕*

The point u made about fight scenes being undercut and not taken seriously because of comedy was one of my biggest frustrations abt marvel movies, especially in civil war. But in black panther the comedy was independent of the fights and the fights were hella serious, which I loved. I hope they don't repeat that mistake in the new avenger movie

I really liked the movie but I was reminded of your criticisms on bathos when a rowdy character interrupts the rest of the characters in an uplifting moment (woof woof). It annoyed me for a split second. But I watched this video and you’ve reminded me that it ought to come from from a logical source, in this case the rowdy character. It makes sense that he’d cut them off.

@dkarbassi

6 жыл бұрын

DrMonkeyBoyJr Ł

I really disagree with the praise Killmonger is getting as a villain. I don't think that the movie went deep enough into his past for me to sympathize with him. I would have liked to see more of his life growing up in Oakland and witnessing terrible injustices. The line where he says "the world took everything from me" really fell flat for me because we saw his dad get murdered by his uncle, not injustices he's faced or seen. I think he could have been a great villain, but the story didn't go far enough.

@holyflutterofgod

6 жыл бұрын

This. I agree with this video in theory. But in the actual movie I felt like Killmonger only appeared for 25% of it.

@princeg4918

6 жыл бұрын

canindexico Showing and pushing the ideas of black oppression in America into the faces of people is a bit much for a Marvel movie. People that have gone through it understand what he's talking about. Showing it would have made it super controversial. I do agree with the sentiment that kill monger isn't in the movie enough. I almost forgot he was in it for the first act.

@Joshmanfang

6 жыл бұрын

Coogler originally had a 4 hour cut

@CuddlyCarrot

6 жыл бұрын

i lowkey agree this, whilst he was a superb villain i wish his character was fleshed out a little more.

@declannewton2556

6 жыл бұрын

Prince G But that is a major problem. Killmonger is sympathetic to Sub-Saharan-Africans and African Americans. But as an Indian person, I cannot and do not sympathize as much as others of aforementioned descent would.

The interesting thing is that Black Panther is only the 3rd film Ryan Coogler has every directed! This speaks volumes, ladies and gentlemen.

Black Panther is the only MCU film that I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to see again, and then maybe again, and again, and again; you get the point. I've always had a love for black culture (which might be weird since I'm white).

@francisonyekwereuzo1232

2 жыл бұрын

Naww that's sweet. Black culture is good too. It's fresh breath from all the cliche or LOTS of white stuff u see on TV and media. That's why squid game works so well...that's Asian stuff too working in same way black stuff should. Except that black stuff started being recognised way too late

Great topic!

@tamerafarly7666

6 жыл бұрын

Jack's Movie Reviews I love your channel 💖

@AwesomeBlackDude

6 жыл бұрын

Jack's Movie Reviews wow I love his back story telling.

@samya1231

6 жыл бұрын

Go for this movie in the future, Jack !

100% agree with every single point you made. This is my favorite Marvel movie by far, and I’m so glad that it’s received so much acclaim/financial success so far. It’s films like this that are going to have a positive impact on society and lead to systematic change (yes, I’m hopeful).

@Ukaran

6 жыл бұрын

It's a popcorn superhero flick created to sell toys. Calm the fuck down!

@sovrn4011

6 жыл бұрын

Ukaran lol why are you here

@thedon7082

6 жыл бұрын

TylerBartonMusic it's my second favourite. winter soldier is my favourite.

@TylerBartonMusic

6 жыл бұрын

Ukaran that’s part of what makes it great! The film works on so many levels. But the fact that people who watch “popcorn flicks” are going to see this and maybe feeling something for a troubled boy from Oakland is a step in the right direction.

@joshthompson7703

6 жыл бұрын

no

man when the song at 5:11 came on i was almost in tears. that song fit so well in the movie. starts out grim then becomes hopeful then almost enlightened at the end.

"Moving, meaningful and masterfully told." ... Well said, man. Well said.

I AM SOOOOO GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE LEGEND OF KORRA!! :D Zaheer was one of the most complex villains I have ever come across. I was so sad for him! He really had so much to offer. He would have made a brilliant sage. Imagine what he could have done for Korra, the Air Nation, and more. He was however, dangerously double edged.

@shutterfilms7276

6 жыл бұрын

Legend of Korra sucked ass.

@yarabande9230

6 жыл бұрын

me tooo i lOve zaheer

@myself2noone

6 жыл бұрын

He was an anarchist. There's nothing to him. That's got to be the dumbest political philosophy ever.

Much as I love you Sage, I have to strongly disagree with you on the MCU movies. I don't think you give them enough credit. For granted, I do agree there is a degree of bathos in the more recent MCU films. Ragnarok had it. I didn't mind the humor, but really it was towards the end that I felt it. And really, I don't see these movies as passable. Rather, most of them are actually really good. That said, Black Panther was great. I bit overrated, but I think the stuff that works; like Killmonger, the characters and themes are very strong. And it was nice to see a cool standalone movie. Overall, you are entitled to your view; but to me the MCU movies are actually not half bad. I treat them as superhero movies and not that seriously. That isn't me saying they aren't good. Because, I acknowledge none of these movies are oscar caliber nor should that be the goal. Be a good blockbuster which BP and these movies I argue are.

@willier47

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying this so i don't. "Marvel Has a Problem" is usually click bait trash Hipsters have problems with. Ever since DC through its trilogy of trash out there people wanna use the comedy is a problem now, Sorry its not a family friendly Marvel film or Too much emphasis on Long form story telling, excuses. I've heard a youtube reviewer claim MCU is for kids just like all the other Reddit. Comment section people who just spew trash. Like its a childrens film akin to Thomas the Train. These last 4 Marvel Films have not only Fixes the Problems having memorable villains with Great motivations, but been drasticaly different via fixing issues they previously had.

@michaeljackson4538

6 жыл бұрын

mcu sucked , bp great

@Avarn388

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Jackson *Sucks*. If you are going to express your view, learn to use proper grammar. And on that note, I say speak for yourself. I and many others have enjoyed the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It has issues as Sage has pointed out, but for me personally; I think the good for these movies overwrites the bad.

@TheRedname

6 жыл бұрын

Sounds to me like you're calling them passable which is... exactly what he said.

@Avarn388

6 жыл бұрын

Redname No, not all. I very much enjoy all of them and would give most of the 8s and 9s out of 10; that is if I used a rating system. I truly think that the MCU is something very unique and very much for me captured something I never thought I'd see as a child: big team-ups and a big connected universe and team-ups. That isn't to slight other CB movies that came before. For example, one of my favorite movie of last year was Logan. A non-MCU movie. But really I feel like Sage is overstating moments of bathos which, to be honest; I felt was more prevalent in Phase two than this current phase. But that's just my view. I don't deny the bathos, but I truly think it is overstated. I do concede that Marvel shouldn't have put too many comedy movies in this phase or at the very least break them up with more serious movies. Because, something like Ragnarok; I found the humor was not only really smart but it actually did a lot to develop the characters. Case in point, Thor and Loke's relationship.

I agree about thor, last few movies worked hard to establish that character as mature and empathetic yet i feel like that movie completely undid all of that

I thought it was pretty decent, but there were some things I thought could’ve been improved. I think it would’ve been better if it was revealed that T’Chaka killed his brother in the beginning scene. T’Chala is a new king and naturally would feel unconfident in his own decisions. However, he believes his father was a great king and uses this to base all his decisions. Since the audience would know that T’Chaka killed his own brother and covered it up, we would understand that T’Chaka is not as honorable as he is believed to be. It builds anxiety as the audience wants T’Chala to discover this secret, but are also scared to how he will react. After discovering the secret, T’Chala becomes scared that perhaps basing his decisions on what his father would have done was a bad idea. On top of this, T’Chala and the audience discover that not only did T’Chaka kill his brother, he also left behind a child to cover up his secret. I feel this works better because the audience believed they knew the twist, but it is revealed that there is more, making it much more surprising. Later, a radicalized Killmonger kills Ulysses Klaue and takes over the throne after besting T’Chala in ritual combat. T’Chala’s mental capabilities have already been destroyed after learning of his father’s secret. Now his physical capabilities have proven to be just as weak, leading T’Chala believing himself to be completely worthless as a king and a warrior. This leads me to my second point. As a superhero movie, the movie should focus on the coming of age of our main superhero, T’Chala. At this point, T’Chala has been thrown off the waterfall. He should not be rescued by a fisherman. He needs to prove to himself that he is worth something, and start his ascension back to the throne. I think this idea is portrayed extremely well in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Throughout the entire movie, Peter Parker shows how he is incapable of solving problems on his own, even though he feels the need to help others. In the beginning, this leads to him and others having to be saved from others which come in the form as Iron Man. Iron Man saves him from drowning and Iron Man saves the people on the ferry boat from dying. While Peter tries to help people, he often ends up hurting them but always gets a cop out. However, Peter’s get out of jail free card disappears when he is fighting the Vulture for the near final time at the warehouse. After failing, once again, Peter is crushed under the weight of the warehouse ceiling. Peter, once again, struggles to be able to save himself and cries out for help. In every other instance previously, Peter had someone there to catch him when he fell. But now, under the warehouse ceiling, where he is likely to die, he is truly alone. The warehouse ceiling is the the culmination of all of his previous struggles. With no other help, the only way for Peter to escape is through empowerment of himself. And as we see, through pure strength and determination, Peter is able to lift the warehouse ceiling off his back and stop the Vulture. This moment is empowering because we got to see Peter struggle throughout the entire movie and we finally get to see him overcome all his challenges, through his newfound self-confidence, succeed. Now, back to Black Panther, the reason I don’t find T’Chala’s reascension to the throne appealing is because he did not earn it. Rather than proving that he is worthy of everything, everything is simply given to him. T’Chala should’ve struggled his way back to the top, literally, as he make his way back up the waterfall he was thrown from, and figuratively, as he overcomes his mental and physical barriers. Not only does that let the audience get to know the character and his struggles better, but it proves how, just as Peter Parker didn’t need Iron Man to always save him, T’Chala doesn’t need the power of the Black Panther to overcome all his problems. From this point on, I think the movie did pretty well. T’Chala would have regained the power of the Black Panther after proving to himself that he is worthy of it and fought Killmonger to end his reign over Wakanda. My final complaint is pretty minor, but since I wrote all the above, I might as well put it in. I think that the girlfriend was a forced character. The entire movie reinforces the theme that it is important for family to stick together. When T’Chala is king in the beginning, all the tribes look out for each other, and the society works effectively. When Killmonger becomes king, the tribes start disagreeing with one another and all hell breaks loose. Killmonger in himself proves how family should stick together. Had T’Chaka taken in Killmonger as his adopted son, he never would’ve been so radicalized. It is in his abandonment that he becomes “evil”. Rather than having a forced love interest, the mother could’ve played a more prominent role, helping her daughter and son in both escape and combat. I think the movie did a lot of good things as well, most notably the incorporation of African culture and the mostly all minority cast. Hopefully this movie can pave the way for minorities to become more prominent in Hollywood, as Black Panther definitely shows that you can make a badass movie even if there’s only a couple white people in it. I also think that it’s good to keep in mind that it’s a lot easier to critique a script than to make it from scratch. While I clearly have my opinions about the movie, there is no way I would be able to come up with something nearly as amazing myself, had I been forced to do it from scratch. I wish Ryan Coogler the best of luck in his future endeavors as well as the rest of the cast of Black Panther. I still enjoyed the movie and I am excited to see what can come in the future.

Mufasa dies and his son T'challa becomes the new king of Pride Rock. T'challa wants to Make Wakanda Great Again so he keeps the borders closed to the muggles. Afterwards he dawns the coolest power ranger suit ever and goes on a side quest with CIA Agent Bilbo Baggins to capture Gollum. But T'challa's evil long lost cousin Loki manages to capture Gollum first. Loki then shows up in Wakanda and announces his gamer tag is Killmonger. He challenges T'challa for the title of Hokage. Killmonger has the high ground defeats T'challa and murders Saw Guerra from Rogue One. Killmonger than becomes Black Hitler and attempts to start the Black Reich. But T'challa returns to Pride Rock to defeat his cousin. In the end T'challa learns that "with great power comes great responsibility" and to Make Wakanda Great Again he needs compassion over nationalism and tradition, so he opens the borders of Wakanda to the muggles. El Fin.

6 жыл бұрын

BlackMartini beautiful

@Mr.Gnomebody

6 жыл бұрын

God tier

@ExplizitDuester

6 жыл бұрын

Fucking majestic

@RTL2L

6 жыл бұрын

It was beautiful! )

@onyshadcollins7767

6 жыл бұрын

BlackMartini 😂 you deserve a medal

Killmonger shot his girlfriend in the blink of an eye, can people stop forgetting that?

Thanks for voicing what I love about Black Panther. Ryan Coogler did an amazing job directing a complex Marvel movie

@Just Write I noticed a disparity in Ragnarok regarding its use of bathos, one I think was intentional. Did Thor crack a joke when his dad died? No. What about when he and Loki finally made up? Completely sincere. Asgard getting destroyed? Jokes. Thor's hammer destroyed? Not lingered on. I think that's part of the film's theme: Asgard is not a place, it's a people. Thor doesn't need his magic hammer. Hammers, palaces, these things don't matter. Emotional moments involving characters are allowed to be emotional, for the most part. I mean, aside from Odin, do any characters we know well or are invested in die? Unless you're a warriors three fan, not really. I get how you can find the humor in Ragnarok off-putting, but the way I see it, Thor's been through so much that humor's just his way of coping with problems. This characterization remains consistent in Infinity War and Endgame, where Thor loses everything and hides it behind jokes. He's been banished from his home, been betrayed by his brother again and again, broke up with his girlfriend...I think by now he's just like "I'm not moping around, my people are in danger, what do I need to do?" I'm not saying I want every movie to be a marvel film, but...while some MCU films do utilize bathos at dramatic cost, I don't think Ragnarok is one of them.

Killmonger was great. I think they should've given him more screen time and more nuance though. He barely features in the first act, and they could've threaded him in there. And they still made him TOO villainous. Like, when he said, 'we will kill the oppressors, *their children*" That 'their children' was too much, that was put in to make him unlikable. But guess a multibillion dollar corporation doesn't want to make their violent revolutionary characters TOO sympathetic, or they might end up with their heads on spikes

I must respectfully disagree with the idea that the movies are usually passable, along with criticism that it doesn't have many good villains in general. I think there are more actually interesting villains than there are forgettable ones. With that said, I do see why someone would think Black Panther is a great improvement. It's wonderful.

@maltesohns278

6 жыл бұрын

Awsamazing Eden Nah, not really. You have Loki, Hela, Vulture and now Killmonger, the rest seems kinda blank and generic. Red Skull, Ultron, Zemo, Mandarin, Robert Redfords character in Winter Soldier...those were pretty neat concepts, but executed pretty lame.

@Tsukiko.97

6 жыл бұрын

I am black (as if that matters) and I must reiterate that no idea is sacred. Do not let others limit your right to excercise freedom of speech because the second you limits other right to speak is the second you limit your own. That doesn't mean that you should be a flamboyant edgy teenlord making generic insults, try to be constructive or at the very least try to be relevant.

@michaeljackson4538

6 жыл бұрын

when you are racist that how you will feel

@maltesohns278

6 жыл бұрын

Abyssinia Empire I think you answered on the wrong comment

@Tsukiko.97

6 жыл бұрын

Malte Sohns 😂I did not even notice, but yes, I commented on the wrong comment.

0:43 Whoa, they did that part with a real car? I assumed it was full on CG.

im glad you mentioned how good the score was, it was amazing! 'ancestral plane' and 'wakanda' gave me chills

Didn't they solve the color problem in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2?

@dylanwatkins4249

6 жыл бұрын

Sebastien-Loik Ntsangou-Kanda And it fixed the non memorable music!

@qfreddy

6 жыл бұрын

The colors are also great in Thor Ragnarok black panther is really ugly compared to either of those movies

@kant12

6 жыл бұрын

They fixed the color problem with Doctor Strange. It's been good ever since.

@devzeppilin

6 жыл бұрын

kant Agreed.

@evolvedturtleproductions7600

6 жыл бұрын

Quinn Fredine I’d say the color in Black Panther is fine. It’s colorful but subtle. Personally I don’t think the colors have to be bright and playful to be good.

Andy Serkis was under used... only complaint

@evolvedturtleproductions7600

6 жыл бұрын

Eh... his character was pretty one-dimensional. Fun to watch, but one-dimensional. Kinda like Snoke(sorry to bring THAT conversation up).

@juanita-dark

6 жыл бұрын

His character was being used and that's kind of the point of his "underuse": he's a means to an end in Killmonger's story (which connects to T'Challa's) - it was never about Klaue's story.

Thanks for this! My favorite part about this movie are the characters and their motivations, so I'm glad to see that accomplishment being congratulated first. The all black cast is so important. I'm a 1st gen Nigerian born in Oakland and the concept really resonates with me personally, but it's the story being told with this cast in these setting that make it so powerful and amazing.

Glad more people appreciate this. Killmonger was a prime example of "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and that's only the tip of the iceberg. He may have lost the battle, but in the end he caused a change for the better, just as he had intended.

Man . . . some folx are BIG MAD about this movie

Killmonger was better fleshed out, that's true, but the main difference was simply the inclusion of real world politics. Zemo had the same motivation of vengeance, minus the racism. And considering Killmonger had a successful life in the US despite everything (MIT degree) and chose to become a mercenary later on, his justification and oppression-talk is contradictory, at best. The Vulture was a much more relatable villain overall, as the circumstances kinda forced him to adapt and still he had no wish to harm people if avoidable. The whole "the MCU lacks compelling villains" is an outdated statement anyway.

@timy9197

6 жыл бұрын

Killmonger being from a bad neighborhood never left him. Listen to any black entertainer from a bad neighborhood (Chris Rock for example) and they always think that way. It was real. Criticizing the way he thinks as contradictory is fair but villains being wrong or missing the mark is kind of the point.

@sadboijokes

6 жыл бұрын

To add onto that, just because someone made it out doesn't mean they don't feel anger for their people. Like I'm not living at the bottom of society per se but looking at history and the role it plays in today's world, I'm kinda pissed. That's not contradictory it's just realizing things about the world and wanting to reform them.

@ArtemisCephei

6 жыл бұрын

Killmongers "oppression talk" isn't about his life in MIT from the hood. It's about the drug war in the 80's. It's about apartheid in south africa just ending in the 90's. It's about countries destroyed through slave trade, colonialism, and political warfare. It's about Haiti being ruined by destroyed, by the french, having all it's spices and goods, and culture stolen from it, and left to fend for itself afterwards. It's about everone wearing diamond rings but Sierra Lionne being a wartorn poverty stricken zone due to colonization, followed by corrupt leaders that help corporations. It's about walking into a museum, and the staff look at you because they think you're going to touch the art because you have no class. Or walking into a shop and being followed, not because salespeople want to help you, but because they think you're going to steal something. It's about being locked out of land deals, business deals, and political institutions, even when you have the money, experience, and drive. It's about being a thug or disrepectful when you are upset and protest, vs passionate or dedicated. It's about asking/begging/fighting to be treated respect for generations, vs never having to ask for that respect because now the world is yours. He isn't relatable to everyone who saw the movie. But he is relatable to a huge ton of us.

@fwwaller

6 жыл бұрын

All those things happened centuries ago, not relevant today. Who gives a fuck what other people think? And if you're being followed, you have a legal right to tell that person to fuck off. There are black land owners, business owners, and politicians, what are you even talking about? Well when black protesters have a reputation for destroying public property and saying "fuck cops and white people" it's not hard to see where those stereotypes come from is it? Yes, black people were treated horribly in the past, but they clearly aren't now, at least, not majorly by people who aren't also black. That's where your dead wrong, Killmonger isn't relatable to ANYONE except the professional victims, people like the BLM founders who lie to everyone's face about how "innocent" black kids are murdered by evil cops, how the racism of the past has manifested in a different form today, people who think killing cops and whitey is a good thing, people who think black people have been treated, and are currently treated worse than any other minority in history, people who torture white disabled kids on live internet videos who they think support a politician they hate, people who terrorize white college kids on campuses, people who drag white people by their shirts across a parking lot surface, screaming in pain, as they beat them within an inch of their life. THOSE are the people who relate the most to Killmonger, THAT is why he's the villain.

@sadboijokes

6 жыл бұрын

fwwaller Just go drink some water and read a book buddy. It'll be ok

Thank you for putting into words what I have been trying to articulate since seeing it, great video essay!

I apologize for taking so long to subscribe. I always hesitate to support those who need no support from me. But your content is informative, insightful, and helpful. Your work deserves to be seen.

This is prob my fav part of this movie, it was not like the Ghostbusters film that was just trying to pander to females because the main cast is female. This movie told a fantastic story without pandering for a cheap buck. This movie honored the culture and people it represented.

@callies8907

6 жыл бұрын

It's amazing how you can take a video and movie that have nothing to do with feminism or non-Marvel studios and create a comment about feminism and a non-Marvel movie while also being incredibly degrading to women by calling them "females" and comparing two incredibly different movies from different genres that have literally nothing to do with one another.

@MumblingSolipsist

6 жыл бұрын

female is a degrading word now? I can't keep up with this shit any more.

@TheWeirdSideofTown

6 жыл бұрын

Callie S how is the word female degrading. he praises the women and their character and you are still triggered

@callies8907

6 жыл бұрын

First of all, its grammatically iffy, as the primary use of the word 'female' is as an adjective. So, really, you just dropped off the subject of a descriptor. It's also clinical and biological--reducing women to their reproductive organs and equating them with female animals. You're literally leaving off the "human" part of the woman, and its inherently demeaning regardless of whatever "praise" goes with it. Also, he clearly isn't praising women--he's drumming up women's decisions to see or not see a movie to "it pandered to 'females,'" which is incredibly patronizing. Also, no, I'm not triggered, as that refers to a specific symptom of mental and neuropsychological disorders that do not apply to me. Thanks.

@TheWeirdSideofTown

6 жыл бұрын

Callie S Yes you seem to be triggered. Yes, people use female in the same way they use male. At this point you people are trying to find something to complain about lol

Lol I misread your username as "Just White" after watching this video.

Love that you chose "Glory to Bast" for the opening, it's my favorite track from the amazing OST. Thanks for your insights about why Killmonger's ending is so sad. It's true, he almost could've had the happy Wakandan life he'd always dreamed of as a kid, but after seeing all the pain and suffering other black people in the world are facing, I guess he couldn't just escape to paradise by himself. It's actually a mindset a noble hero character might have, though unfortunately, Killmonger had definitely lost himself to hatred and vengeance too much by that point.

Thanks for drawing that parallel between Erik KillMonger and the villains of Avatar: the Legend of Korra, who were so intensely idealistic they became villains who didn’t think they were villains.

This review was outstanding. Salute 💯

*spoils Thor* Oh and I'm going to go into spoiler territory...

I mean, it's weird to me how celebrated black panther was and how everyone praises killmonger as some amazing villain when (in my opinion) all he did was check off good writing boxes in his backstory. He did have a goal that coincides with the protagonist, he has a sympathetic backstory, he has an emotional and physical connection to T'challa, but I believe the execution of his character wasn't actually done all that well, as, watching the movie he just seemed like a senseless brute, killing those that loved him (when he killed his team and presumably girlfriend in the beginning) just to kill even more. And the story even throws in a line where he says he'll kill even children in his quest for revenge that, (in my opinion) ruins any reality, or sympathy I might've had for the villain. I guess what I'm trying to say was that Killmonger was good in concept, but anything that wasn't a backstory was just him acting in a raged frenzy, going to comical lengths to carry out his murder spree. He has the elements of what a good character could be, but if you strip away his representation of black oppression and his cliche traumatic past, I can't find a sense in how this character who openly wants to deal with nuanced situation with blind violence to be sympathetic or even realistic, just like most bad marvel movie villains. Though I'm not quite sure I understood the antagonist self-revelation you mentioned near the end of the video, how killmonger feels loss at not being able to appreciate Wakanda so I very possibly might've just missed something. If anyone can enlighten me that'd be great. TDLR, Killmonger might have the cookie cutter checkboxes of a good antagonist, but the execution and his literal actions in the movie ruin any sympathy I have for the character. And if anyone can explain how soneone who openly wants to kill an entire race including children can be revered as the best, most nuanced antagonist ever be my guest.

Great insights, well said, that bit about Killmonger's ending, wow I teared up again. Not sure I share all your issues with the other Marvel movies but Black Panther does indeed feel like it went well beyond the normal level of quality.

"loses his father, three best friends, hundreds of his fellow asgardians... seems to be having fun" Ragnarok is not something to be feared, all things end in their time. To die in honourable battle, "going down with the ship" as a hero is the greatest fate one can achieve. Plus ragnarok is cyclical, there is a rebirth after the fall. l2norse fuccbois

@jamilabrownie

6 жыл бұрын

I saw the movie and enjoyed it, but I still have no idea what Ragnarok is.

@mikepence1933

6 жыл бұрын

To break it down to the most basic, Americanised level it was the Norse equivalent of armageddon. There would be a number of omens, including wars where brother would kill brother and a great winter, then the enemies of the gods would unite and march on Valhalla. The gods and their servants would die, as would their enemies and all other life, except for the seeds of a new world that would grow after the fall. Highlights include the great wolf Fenrir swallowing Odin before being killed by one of his lesser sons, Thor killing the serpent that encircles the world before succumbing to its poison, and Heimdall and Loki killing each other.

@yhomethej4148

6 жыл бұрын

I knew the concept of Ragnarok when I watched the movie and it was completely confusing to me why Thor was trying to stop it and then at the end he was just meh. I get the meh. I don't get the "I must save Asgard". The movie was weird......

@dannybenhur6123

6 жыл бұрын

Mike Pence Ragnarok sounds like stylish cool version of Apocalypse....Made the movie like that too...

@ocesamroblox1816

6 жыл бұрын

Seriously watch that last battle Thor is not having fun or joking...I don’t actually think Thor tells an actual joke at all after Hela arrives, he just says and does things that come of as funny.

Love the movie, but god that cgi was awful. This deserved a bigger budget.

@thefancrafter7488

6 жыл бұрын

They had the biggest budget of an individual marvel movie thus far from what I have heard.

@qfreddy

6 жыл бұрын

The problem was more about how they used the cgi, if they chose not to have armor rhinos the movie would've looked better, if they made the the climactic fight more practical, or at least had it take place somewhere real the movie would've looked better. Sometimes bad cgi feels like they're throwing away money to make the movie worse

@Carewolf

6 жыл бұрын

The Marvel movies have had progressively worse CGI as their budgets grew. The first Avengers looked much better than Avengers 2. Mostly because Avengers 2 had so much more CGI that a very large portion of it ended up being half-assed or worse, and it only takes one shitty effect to ruin the illusion.

One of the standout scenes is when Daniel Kaluuya's character, W'kabi is confronted by his love, Okoye played by Danai Gurira, during the open field battle. "Drop your weapon." "Would you kill me, my love?" "For Wakanda?... Without question.'" Here eyes told me she wasn't lying.

Great video! I stumbled upon this on my feed and wow! Very perspective...thanks!

The only problems Black Panther has in my opinion is that Everett Ross feels like a pointless character and that Andy Serkis feels criminally underused.

@amashkamaruddin7711

6 жыл бұрын

Strong Amazon strongly agreed man. I think that Ulysses would be a more effective villain given his motive and how eccentric he is. And cmon, Andy Serkis is a better actor tbh

@franslam7398

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think Klaue would have been a more effective villain. He was a means to an end. It's Killmonger that should have had more screen time. The main theme of this movie would have been completely lost had Klaue been the villain. Klaue would make no effective changes to how Black Panther sees his country's standing with the rest of the world. And to have had Black Panther's main antagonist be the white guy...lol. Yeah, see how _that_ would go down considering ppl had enough to say about the villains/antagonists in Star Wars being all white.

@samuelstensgaard4828

6 жыл бұрын

I guess you could say that Ross was the token white guy.

@sasook

6 жыл бұрын

FranSlam They coulda left Klaue alive though, for a sequel

@Kirbyisdagoat

6 жыл бұрын

I disagree, because I'm sure Ross symbolizes us the audience who are also barley discovering Wakanda having familiar reactions to all its stuff.

Killmonger had a theme?

@grodri01

6 жыл бұрын

yeah didn't notice either

@michaeljackson4538

6 жыл бұрын

troll

@SockMonkey007

6 жыл бұрын

I'm not a troll, I just didn't notice the theme.

@TalentfourDisruption

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah there really aren't any main themes in this movie. Just like most of Marvel's movies. The music in this film wasn't bad at all, but it never heightened any of the scenes for me.

@evanjosephmusic

6 жыл бұрын

There are plenty of themes in the movie. I even recorded myself playing one and piano and sent it to the composer on twitter asking him what it represented to him and he responded. There were themes and they were prevalent

I don't think it's necessarily fair to list Ragnarok as an example of the Bathos problem, because aside from a few key moments, the film is supposed to be a comedy. It's basically Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein, with Thor and company being weird, wisecracking funny guys participating in what would otherwise be a swords and sorcery epic. The moments of seriousness are the respite, not the norm. Btw I love how Iron Man and Captain America's arcs in their trilogies involved them slowly adopting new and opposing ideologies, while Thor's was just learning to chill.

Your best video, yet.. or perhaps it's just the best Marvel movie, yet. Either way, keep 'em coming!

Nice video, but I'm afraid I disagree. For one, the Vulture in Homecoming was a far superior and relateable villain; we are shown him first as a good guy with a responsibility to his workers who ultimately goes down a criminal path because of some bad breaks and a bit of a ruthless side but, even then, we are given reasons to sympathise with him when we see he has a family to support. and, ultimately, he keeps spiderman's identity secret. But what are we really shown of Killmonger; he's dad is murdered, so apparently he goes (off camera) on a ~10 year killing spree, to train to become ruler of Wakanda (which he's able to do rediculously easily), so he can then take them on a killing spree. We even see him kill he's girlfriend without a second thought, where's the relateability in that?

@BluePieNinjaTV

6 жыл бұрын

Plus most of the explanation was done via exposition so we were just told that he was a super badass evil guy without seeing much of that in action beforehand anyway.

@CoolDudeProducts

6 жыл бұрын

Chris Sewell I completely agree with you. There was “something missing” in this to make it a masterpiece. I love the villain but they didn’t do enough with him. In contrast, the Vulture is better written. The vulture gives the audience more of an emotional response. Killmonger falls into the realm of needing to “show us. Don’t tell us”category which makes him not as rememberable. To me anyway.

@chrisjsewell

6 жыл бұрын

Yeh I actually think that killmonger (and the movie as a whole) would have been better if they removed the whole father being killed plot and showed him developing he’s world outlook more organically; maybe from experiences on the street or as a soldier

@CoolDudeProducts

6 жыл бұрын

Chris Sewell yes that’s brilliant. Even seeing what he saw with injustices. In African American and I get that there are injustices all around the world, but the movie needs to show it so we can see first hand Killmongers motivation and change. Also I would have liked to see more morally questionable moments with his charcuterie not just, “I poised your coffee cause I’m steeling what’s mine” and “Look how bad I am I shot the lady I was making out with cause I’m the bad guy” ~ all that felt too generic villain because they didn’t really show us why he was doing those things. I didn’t feel it.

@princeg4918

6 жыл бұрын

Chris Sewell First things first, you're incredibly wrong to judge the greatness of a villian on how much you can relate to them. Willing to bet you think the Joker is a great villian, but he's ungodly unrelatable. A lot of bad guys simply aren't put in to a position to be relatable, usually that's the hero's gimmick. I feel like you're having trouble "relating" to kill mongers issues. The wish to support your oppressed people is very relatable. His motives resonate with people of color immensely. It might not be relatable to you, but hey, there's a bunch of people in the world. You drastically created a strawman of Killmongers plan. If you think you didn't go watch the movie again. He may seem like a bit of an extremists in his goal, which could be determined as driven. Why does Batman get a mark off if Killmonger doesn't? I think their both credible villians, and if you like one more than the other fine. But your reasoning for it is narrow minded.

"Marvel Has Bad Music" *The Guardians of the Galaxy Would Like To Know Your Location.*

@africanlogic757

3 жыл бұрын

bp is much better

Great movie, great villain indeed. But I really hated the forced love between him and his ex. there was no chemistry at all. The chemistry between him and his sister was really well written though

I just watched the movie after watching this video. I was getting tired of all the superhero movies and I didn't know why so I never took interest. I'm so glad i stumbled onto this video and now have watched one of greatest movie I ever watched.

I find myself excited for a DVD release just so I can watch it again. My brother - who looks more black than me because we're mixed - has the most stoic unimpressed face you can imagine. But just watching the trailer made him smile, just listening to the album makes him excited, and when we watched the movie, OH MY GOD! It was like the hype was contagious, I found *myself* into this loop of *MUST WATCH MUST WATCH MU* - In the end, I came out of the movie, just flab staggered with the amazing villain that Marvel actually, the genius princess, the actually caring king for once, one who saw reason, because he listened to the villain. And I think this movie is beautiful because of that. Don't be mistaken, I think that it needed something a little extra to make the story better, but as it is, I love it, and wouldn't want to change the movie at all.

@Ukaran

6 жыл бұрын

Bet you wouldn't think like that, if the cast was white, and there wasn't a Marvel logo at the beginning.

@rewindom

6 жыл бұрын

Ukaran The Black Panther cast isn't all black and any movie like this would get huge praise, Ryan Coogler is an amazing director

@maryandchild

6 жыл бұрын

Ukaran, if the cast was all white, the movie wouldn't make sense. The plot and fiction of the story draws on race-based chattel slavery, the African diaspora, African colonization by Europeans, etc.

@Ukaran

6 жыл бұрын

And that's why the movie should be called Black Pander.

@maryandchild

6 жыл бұрын

Ukaran Soooooo are the majority of Hollywood movies, which are written, directed, and starring white people, pandering to white people?

I don't think this movie is as good as a lot of people are making it out to be, but definitely sits above the rest of the generic marvel universe. Strong points: The isolationism theme, the fact that the cringeworthy comedy wasn't excessive like in other mcu movies and more importantly, I liked Tchalla's characterization. He was easily the most compelling character in the movie. I liked that he was shown as a conflicted character. I love to see protagonists who struggle with decisions, then overcome and grow from it. I liked that his portrayal was taken seriously, he wasn't made into a joke or a campy character like the rest of the mcu heroes.

I would say M'Baku's yawn after T'Challa had a family talk was bathos, but it was expositional, and pretty damn memorable

Videos like this make KZread still worth it.

Ummmm u said spoilers way too late 4 everyone who didnt watch ragnorok

I've found the villains more protagonists than the protagonists. Think of the chiefs of other tribes. When that who wanted the trone had the chance to fight for it, not only saved the king's life, he served him with his army. The other chief, the one with the rhinos, when his wife or lover declares she would kill him, instead of fighting her with all his rage, he surrender in a unseen act of humility. And T'Challa's cousin, after being stabed in the chest, when his challenger takes his helmet off, instead of finishing him off with the vibranium claws, he just forgives and dies in peace delighted by the landscape. They are the true heroes of the story.

Killmonger could have been a great villain but as others have commented, he didn't get enough screen time. The focus of the film was on t'challa and there was only occasional flashback scenes to when Killmonger was a kid left behind after his father was killed. In Unbreakable, Elijah Price's backstory (as a kid watching other kids play outside then being given a comic by his mother) was short, but it was enough for the audience to relate to him and make him a formidable villain. Perhaps more scenes of Killmonger growing up witnessing subtle discrimination and then reading/hearing about problems in Africa might have helped the audience understand his worldview better.

@Whatt787

6 жыл бұрын

true, but Killmonger was still a mass murderer

@GlareBoxTV

6 жыл бұрын

So was Elijah 'Mr Glass' Price (bombings etc)

Subscribed. An insightful, succinctly said, and well put together analysis.