I think a lot of people are forgetting what Frieza was thinking during the TOP. He literally said he was gonna find a way to bring down the Zenos. I would love to see Frieza as a god butcher

@garryjohnson9328

Жыл бұрын

who would forget that ? God butcher is an interesting idea though

@newwavedave112

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a marvel rip off

@voljinshin

Жыл бұрын

There's only one god butcher that's ultra Vegito God KILLER, callmearj

@SlimShadly

Жыл бұрын

A god butcher??? Stop it. No mortal should be able to beat a destroyer.

@MrVo-ub2tc

Жыл бұрын

@@SlimShadly yet it was stated that Jiren is stronger than a GoD....

Frieza overthrowing the gods & Zeno? Now THAT would be scary

It would be cool if maybe frieza could somehow find a way to travel to other universes and build up his army and gather really strong warriors, maybe a few from the tournament of power and declare war on the gods leading into a universe war saga.

@kevinchavis2755

Жыл бұрын

And then after Black Frieza comes close to victory a new villian appears and puts Frieza down Akuma to Bison style, a fallen angel who becomes the final threat to Dragonball Super.

@LordExor

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinchavis2755 Why introduce someone no one cares about when Frieza could be the end villain?

@rhysmendozavilla2378

Жыл бұрын

@@LordExor because thats not original at all frieza has been the main villain of an arc twice now

@LordExor

Жыл бұрын

@@rhysmendozavilla2378 And having some random nobody with zero emotional investment from either the audience or the characters is somehow better just because it's "different?" Frieza is the only final villain this franchise deserves. There isn't a single antagonist in the history of this series with more weight and importance than him.

@firejoe283

Жыл бұрын

@@LordExor and frieza did just pull an Akuma and take out the last villain

I get the feeling Frieza won’t even be the main villain in the next arc. He’ll probably be hanging around and kept in our minds while the story about the strong person Whis was talking about gets told.

@turdamiana

Жыл бұрын

él no sera el proximo villano pero quizas un aliado para la proxima amenaza que se viene

@DmsGaming_

Жыл бұрын

It’s freiza unless the strongest person whis is talking about came from another space-time Which I doubt will ever happened That would just be bad writing

@kosmo3916

Жыл бұрын

@@DmsGaming_ Well I don’t think the person Whis was talking about is Frieza because why would it be made to sound like a mystery if it’s just going to be Frieza. We literally just saw him clap both Goku and Vegeta so it has to be somebody else. Honestly Dragon ball Super is the definition of bad writing so I wouldn’t be surprised.

@piffsponza

Жыл бұрын

@@kosmo3916 writing is trash. Most of super has been honestly, but I still give it the time cuz fights look cool sometimes. Im sad they didn't put more effort into the plot, or mabey it's just me expecting better and it's my fault. Even they don't even know what they gonna do next...

@dreadrath

Жыл бұрын

@@kosmo3916 The only way it could be Frieza is if Whis was lying to Goku about an even stronger being possibly being out there, kind of like how Beerus lied about Monaka. Could just be some BS way to motivate Goku to greater heights, which wouldn't be required anyway at this point.

Crazy idea. Frieza finds the super dragon balls, wish the previous universes be restored, conquers them, then build an army from all 4 of them to try to conquer the other 12

@pablogomesoliveira2677

Жыл бұрын

Honestly that is the only way he can surpass Zeno , but he has to stay undercover cuz if he doesn’t then Zeno will completely erase him from existence

One issue I see with Frieza planning to become god of destruction is that the one weakness connecting him to the supreme kai of that universe. I feel like after what happened with the Saiyans he will not want to take chances having such an easy way to possibly take him out. Of course that is subject to if he learns about this, but with how clever he is, he will most likely learn almost if not everything he needs to know.

@dreadrath

Жыл бұрын

Man, I can just imagine Frieza giving Supreme Kai the Tagoma treatment and beating his ass day after day until he becomes strong enough to almost rival Frieza himself, all just to prevent him being killed easily. lol

@omnijonn277

Жыл бұрын

This goes to show that there many realms in the Living world of the dragon ball cosmology.

@DeathAssasin57

Жыл бұрын

@@dreadrath that would honestly be hilarious lol

I hope we do see Frieza vs Beerus! Let’s finally see Beerus at FULL POWER!!!

Frieza is clearly planning to take down Beerus so he no longer have to worry about him, then try to overthrow Zeno, if he can.

Frieza is definitely playing the long game. He has a big plan that he’s executing in incremental steps.

You might mention this in the video, I haven't watched it yet but what if Frieza left Goku and Vegeta alive to track them to Beerus' planet?

@WYKJ773

Жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 Good plot for s future arc... Hopefully this happens after the dbz story so we can get good tension

@LupercalRising

Жыл бұрын

I think he'd know Whis would delete him

@gsa_ram5068

Жыл бұрын

@@LupercalRising whis cannot kill anyone regardless if it’s good or evil.

@jermainebrown8604

Жыл бұрын

@@LupercalRising whis isn't allow too interfere in the matters of mortals. (Except tha rewind time bs that broke that golden angel rule) plus I feel like people think whis is a good person to me he seems generally uncaring about those around him including beerus

@PaulSmith-nb6md

Жыл бұрын

@@jermainebrown8604 that wouldnt be a mortal issue. If frieza is after Beerus then it is a god issue

My thinking is that he didn't make the same mistake he did with his golden form. He turned gold, and instantly went to fight goku anticipating gokus power gains and using that to judge if he was "strong enough" he didn't take into account goku mastering his energy and having the stamina to go the distance. I think freiza found his new form long before he left that training room and, mastered his ki control similar to true golden freiza. I honestly don't see him making the same mistake twice. Plus, killing goku isn't his goal anymore, he could have easily killed goku and vegeta and been rid of the saiyans he hates more than any others before. He wants to make beerus bow before him. That's motivation to get way stronger than goku ever could. Goku fights to get strong and that's in. Freiza fights to truly rule everything.

@HonestJohn_01.19

Жыл бұрын

Exqctly. Frieza trained for ten years. As of right now, there's no telling whether he mastered his new form during that time, or had just acquired it prior to defeating Goku and Vegeta. But, all signs point towards him having mastered it, as it doesn't make sense narratively for him to train for so long without having taken advantage of said training to perfect it. Why exit the time chamber to perfect a form in real time when he can simply stick around a little longer to continue his training? Why allow anyone the opportunity to catch up to and/ or surpass him by perfecting it in real time? Especially after truly understanding their potential both, following his earlier defeat in his Golden form, and his participation in the Tournament of Power? He's not stupid.

i really hope frieza can give beerus a good fight, been waiting for years to see beerus be pushed to his limit.

For the love of God, they need to have freiza try and take the throne from Zeno, since the realm of the gods have been introduced I've been wanting someone to try to overthrow them, it would be so cool.

@oldmanjesus9855

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure mortals can't even hurt Zeno. I don't understand why are people expecting Frieza, no matter how strong he is, to be able to even touch the Omni king without disappearing on the spot...

@corruption123___3

Жыл бұрын

@@oldmanjesus9855 keep in mind Zeno isn't a fighter, he only has the bs erase ability, also if freiza can somehow get his hands on the super dragon balls he would be able to kill Zeno with potentially little effort because as of now, we don't know if there are any limits to what the super dragon balls can do, He could simply wish Zeno out of existence.

@spritvio639

Жыл бұрын

If we go there, i'd prefer it to be someone other than Frieza. Someone new like an Angel from an erased Universe seeking revenge.

@calebokoro.

Жыл бұрын

@@spritvio639 Seems like a ass pull

@corruption123___3

Жыл бұрын

@@spritvio639 then I would highly recommend you see unrealentgaming's story of the fallen universe 13 angel, Merno. It is exactly what you said you'd like to see, it's really long but it is one of my favorite dragon ball fan mangas and definitely worth a view in my opinion.

Freeza went an hour with broly while waiting for Gogeta so...Lord Freeza is back!

@SolidSnake240

Жыл бұрын

I think that was played more for laughs than anything. Who's to say Freiza wasn't just running the entire time lol

I think it was pretty concretely foreshadowed that Frieza wants to be the Omni King. He swore that one day he would rule over Zeno.

Senpai got that Recoome hair

I could see Freeza targeting Sidra since he tried to assassinate him before ToP so i could see Freeza going to him and essentially beat him but this could be done off screen (at the time) and Freeza taking characters like the Trio De Danger in the Freeza Force have all this be discovered in the end of a mini set up arc (like 15 episodes) all dedicated to goku, vegeta, broly, gohan and piccolo training (maybe fleshing out SuperHero). Have a "man hunt" for Freeza and make it like 3 arcs or more, the heroes going to the other universes trying to help since no one knows where he is and slowly build to Freeza declaring war againts the gods after he beats like 2 more God of Destructions. Here we could see vegeta go to planet sadala, reintroduce the pride troopers etc... this is my head cannon for the next like 5 years or so. Sorry this was long.

@DeathAssasin57

Жыл бұрын

I think the manhunt after Frieza seems like a cool idea.

I cant say it enough times. Getting back into all that is dragonball again after like 8 years and finding this channel and your plethora of geekdom content is the fucking shit. I fucking love it. These are the kind of conversations I love to have and its tough to find random people in the wild that can hold conversations like this. good shit.

Once Frieza can jump through universes, I believe he will go to Universe 11 first and kill Toppo. Frieza is that petty, and Toppo straight up EMBARRASSED him in the TOP. This could be the start of Frieza’s universal massacre

@mrnegativepredictsthefuture

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonone8726 I definitely didn’t know that lol so did Toppo become GoD in the Manga as well?

Have we ever thought that Zeno as he is May just be a one of many forms??? We always see him as a little child but what if that’s our biggest mistake

Didn't the Oracle fish say "the balance of power in universe 7 is shifting, the strongest will soon be born" were they talking about Freiza shifting the balance of the entire universe? I got a good feeling that Beerus or the Kaioshin is the new target.

@user-o10oo0oo0o

Жыл бұрын

Not excally There granola then vegeta then gas then freiza and goku then it shifts back to broly since he and the gods of destruction are they post goal to surpass

@UltraEagleZeusYt

Жыл бұрын

Yamoshi 😢😢

As crazy as it is...worlds were populated with freeza. He wanted places to be populated so he could rule...only fearing the saiyans because of their potential.

I honestly don't even care anymore i jus wanna see Beerus Fight ANYONE at this point lol a Real Fight !

Honestly, I think Frieza does a good job of creating balance in Universe 7. He does a much better job than the gods! Shin just doesn't do a dang thing and Beerus just sleeps. Even when he is awake, he'll destroy planets if he's cranky or presents him with terrible food. Frieza's business is about conquering worlds (sadly that sometimes means entire civilizations that might be advanced enough to actually BOOST their mortal level get wiped out) to sell them to the highest bidder. Occasionally, there is some destruction involved. However, Beerus said himself that before creation there must come destruction. Obviously, Frieza isn't a god. His conquest of the universe is gradual but effective. If he had an angel and the ability to transport across the universe quickly *gasp* like having a Supreme Kai to assist him with that. I think Frieza could help increase Universe 7's mortal level VERY quickly! No need for Zeno to wipe him or that universe out.

@ajxx9987

Жыл бұрын

Frieza isn't a force of balance he's just a power hungry dictator

@Diamondr11Blue

Жыл бұрын

No he doesn't. Beerus us the Destroyer for a reason. Freiza is just power hungry. He wouldn't make a good Destroyer you nard

@ozero00rockon

Жыл бұрын

It would make sense why we don’t have Beerus at End Of Z.

If frieza would become a new God of destruction, he would be appointed a new Supreme Kai. That would be very bad for frieza. Maybe in this arc, frieza is so powerful that they can't beat him. That would be really cool.

@VegitoBlackk

Жыл бұрын

Appoint him a revived Zamasu...lol

In Trunk’s original timeline all of the Gods are dead. Since Goku brought the Zeno from that timeline to the present, that means Trunk’s timeline is ripe for the taking. Frieza just needs to find away there and then won’t have to worry about Zeno

He should logically destroy Beerus and be closer to Angel level, but we know about how much of a constant moving goalpost Beerus is.

I'm thinking he's gathering the things he needs to use the Super Dragon Balls. The cube vehicle that Hit wanted in the 6 & 7 universe tournament that allows you to travel to different universes. Hit was able to reach Earth somehow when he assassinated Goku. He needs someone to speak the dragon's language like Zuno. As for the wish? Either he can't be erased by Zeno, or the dragon gives him Zeno's powers so he can erase all the gods and Zeno. He won't erase Goku or Vegeta or the main characters because he'll want to enjoy his new playground.

The room of spirit and time Frieza found may have another door that opens to universe 6. That’s a way Frieza could collect all the Super Dragon Balls.

@pablogomesoliveira2677

Жыл бұрын

That would also make much more sense then what freeza told in the manga…..if you wish to be the strongest in the universe then ANYTHING in the universe ( no matter where ) are below you , so unless his own room of spirit and time is much , much faster than the one we know there’s no way freeza would be above granolah and gas

Everybody is talking about Black Frieza. But, nobody seems to be talking about the mortal that Whis mentioned. He did say that Black Frieza wasnt the strongest.

@PaulSmith-nb6md

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonone8726 the movie hasn't happened in the manga yet though

I hope the black Frieza arc is after the end of Z

@ChasingDragons420

Жыл бұрын

It probably will be. Frieza is mentioned to still be alive, in Superhero.

I don’t think Frieza will be able to beat Beerus at all. Beerus has been built up to be this Don’t Try Him like character. Notice how each time Beerus is about to fight or does fight, it’s finished before you could even call it a battle. Even in the Granola arc, Beerus didn’t show a hint of concern about UI Goku or even Granola. Beerus outright told Vegeta that he may have something that can handle Ultra Instinct. The day we see Beerus fight at 100% max power, that would be the day they show us why they kept writing everybody to be afraid of Beerus. Black Frieza might force Beerus to fight him at his 100% outright but I can see Toriyama having Toyotaro make it to where what we see still isn’t scratching the surface of Beerus’s power.

@BlackBoltLive

Жыл бұрын

It’s already implied that Goku and Vegeta are nigh God level in their strongest forms, even considering beerus being stronger then both of them together Frieza in base has already showed to be above that level, let alone Black Frieza

@aaron2nice_

Жыл бұрын

That’s funny there no where near the gods, All those statements where just to hype you up about MUI. No mortal except for probably black fireza is on the level of a GOD.

@ElPresidenteMargz

Жыл бұрын

@@BlackBoltLive you can’t say that . We’ve only seen tiny glimpses of what Beerus or Whis can do while we constantly see Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Vegeto/Gogeta at their full power all the time . The devil is on the details. OP summarized perfectly . Beerus is as strong as the plot needs him to be. Remember the subtlety in the Moro arc? Angel (Merus absorbed) Moro was giving MUI Goku enough trouble that Beerus was about to KILL ANGEL MORO without any concern, fear, or second thought. Beerus was mostly annoyed, Moro was just an annoyance and was irritated that Goku couldn’t put him down. Beerus is HIM.

@BlackBoltLive

Жыл бұрын

@@ElPresidenteMargz and frieza did the same to a stronger form Gas in base, because he was annoyed by elec. Without any concern fear or second thought. You can say Beerus is as strong as the plot but the fact is there is a hierarchy in the universe he’sa god of destruction not an angel, even the strongest god would have a ceiling in power.

@thaddeusgreen6490

Жыл бұрын

@@BlackBoltLive he wasn't even in base

Frieza is the best. He can't tolerate ANYONE being his Superior. The moment he saw The Omni Kings they were in danger. He's not even interested in Saiyans at this point....

they should of called black frieza, BLACK ICE FREEZA

It occurs to me that granola didnt specify how much stronger than the strongest he'd be with that wish. What if his power level was just 1 higher than the strongest..

x.x I really wanna know more about frieza's background tbh, like how he went about raising/restoring his empire. How he grew and ran it. A side-story about that would be really cool. And give us context to alot of what we have seen involving his interactions with his subordinates.

I'm so tired of Beerus being an incompetent god and getting away with it; I want Frieza to smack some sense into him

After the TOP, if Frieza goes full God Slayer, I'd find it hard to be mad at him. The gods used the universes for entertainment and planned to blank the losers from existence. It could be an interesting arc.

@Beezy_gtm

Жыл бұрын

The gods were against it lol

@Mordexis

Жыл бұрын

Zenos did it

@ssppeeaarr

Жыл бұрын

but grand preist said selfish wishes would result in complete erase. so it wasnt just all fun n games. they clearly were against just hakai everyone for fun. he wanted the uni's erased brought back in TOP. so i dont see angels or GP as evil that way. zeno tho ya his mind is a kid. guess we could forgive him. that said freeza vs GP. lmao. i respect freeza new level but nah he aint hurtin GP. 😂 the one beyond all angels of all universes n their father.........

I think it would be fun if Goku and Vegeta learn about a power boost from Zuno and Frieza go there to find the Gods' weaknesses

Senpai's hair is looking like Toad from Mario

Frieza still would most likely be killed if he tries to find a way to over throw the gods and kill Zeno.

I need to see black frieza make beerus sweat and some feats before I make any judgment calls.

Freiza's final form should be stronger than his t-o-p golden form, his golden form is whatever the blue multiplier is (roughly) so even if his black form is X2 golden, that's still OP if his final form is now stronger than his previous golden. Don't fall into the trap of, "transformations are all that matters" mindset most the fandom fall into. His final form went from 120 million, to relevant to god absorbed goku/vegeta, which was shown to play with ssj3 gotenks (a fusion) in only 4 months. Transformations play their part, but don't forget to stack them ontop of massive base gains

Frieza would fight better in space according to the author but it has never been confirmed and we've never seen it. Looks like Beerus and Champa can survive in space too. It would be interesting to see the tyrant and Destroyer god fight across planets like the short-lived fight between Champa and Beerus

Dr Doom scenario? In the comics, the world was actually a better place under Dooms rule. Think that'd be Freiza?

Saying he’s 30X stronger because he trained 30X longer sounds good but doesn’t work because he achieved a transformation that is still has unknown limits, but I still see what they’re trying to say. It’s nice to see frieza taking his new life seriously and getting to business, training for 10 years is a great addition to his character.

One of the collabs I have been waiting for quite some time. Thank you 😊

“Geekdom” frieze has been practicing for 10 years “Beerus” is millions of years old i wouldn’t be shocked if beerus still wins But frieza might actually make him train again

Freeza going after the great priest sounds stupid af 🤣 A decade of training isn't enough to even touch that little guy!

Vegeta:Be Careful My Clown Kakarot Goku:Don't Worry Vegeta I Will

Didn't Zuno tell Shin about another Kai from a different universe asking about Son Goku? Can't remember if that was in the anime...manga...or BOTH lol but I think Frieza getting answers from Zuno (threatening him of course) would cause Zuno to contact the god(s) to let them know what's going down.

I am DYING to see a Black Frieza Vs. Beerus fight. Frieza literally said in the T.O.P, after Universe 9 got erased, that he wanted to overthrow Zeno and the G.O.D's. If this fight does happen, we need Beerus to go Full Power. It's past that time. If Goku and Vegeta can't stop Frieza, then the ONLY person in Universe 7 that is strong enough to actually go toe-to-toe with Frieza is Beerus. It makes total sense for Beerus and Frieza to fight, if Frieza does indeed plan to overthrow the Gods.

@Diamondr11Blue

Жыл бұрын

Beerus would 1 shot

Now I’m just wondering what on earth they’re gonna do in animation. If someone’s more in touch with the rumor mill you can let me know but it seems like we’re gettin into fairly big stuff that I dunno if an anime can ignore. Are we just gonna get more standalone movies and ignore the manga? Are we gonna get the new manga arcs and or movies made into an anime? Are they just gonna ignore the manga entirely and make a whole new batch of arcs for a show? Cuz if Frieza is goin after the gods, that’s kinda big. Morro and Granolah I can see them ignoring but not this. I have no clue what theyre gonna do now

How can he beat Beerus after 10 years if Beerus has been training with Whis for millions?

@Ivan-kf8vv

Жыл бұрын

Maybe your right but let’s not forgot thtat Frieza has so much potential in 4 months and training he was stronger then goku ssb and now imagine in 10 years of training but yeah maybe beerus is still more stronger than Frieza

@user-o10oo0oo0o

Жыл бұрын

@@Ivan-kf8vv it was stated that he trained with tagoma and shasimi for 4 months until he trained by himself for 6 months meaning he done 10 months to reach to goku and vegeta blue states so 10 years would basically meaning he already pushed himself far enough to be eqaul to goku silver hair mui form since freiza did stated that he wanted to settle the score with goku and vegeta so he and those 2 could stay even being too strong was boring too him so he dicided to make sure his power reletive to them

@Ivan-kf8vv

Жыл бұрын

@@user-o10oo0oo0o no bro he only trained for 4 months even he says it where tf did you get that

@Ivan-kf8vv

Жыл бұрын

@@user-o10oo0oo0o and you read the latest manga chapter he one shotted but goku TUI and vegeta UE

@SolidSnake240

Жыл бұрын

Fr. Idk where Geekdom keeps getting the idea that Goku and Vegeta etc. surpassed Beerus already. It was never stated or shown and the only "proof" he ever has is that Beerus looked nervous when Goku used UI for the first time in the T.O.P lol. it's pure headcannon. we've never actually seen Beerus at full strength let alone actually try in a fight.

Been wanting to see this for a while!

I just want someone to actually threaten the gods, even if its not Frieza (Though I hope it is as it fits in with his character) They've gone unchallenged long enough, because even though Frieza would 100% fail in his efforts, it'd be nice just to see the gods get rattled that anyone would actually try to do something as insane as take over the friggen multiverse and overthrow Zeno. Also it'd be a great final hurrah for Frieza to go out on (And never come back again) with his villain's legacy firmly intact.

@ChodyRay

Жыл бұрын

Going unchallenged is kind of the point in them introducing God's as an unobtainable goal post

@spoodyR3

Жыл бұрын

@@ChodyRay nothings unobtainable the gods aren’t untouchable

To geekdoms point...I think what freeza might do might not be what we think Beerus is not a great G.O.D but what if he could show Beerus up in front of the Omni king basically get him fired...freeza has men everywhere and he has a lot of information under his belt and with the remaining heeters on his side and if he gets zono on his side he will have more info. What if he basically use this info to cause havock in universe 7 and puts himself in a position where he's the only one that can fix it...he saw that the Omni is easily impressed by power and flashy moves so if you wanna get his attention you have to stand out which might explain the black color scheme this time

I think he’s going to go to different universes killing their Gods of destruction and hope that makes his defenses weaker. There could be some caveat that the less amount of universes that exist the less amount of power Zeno has and maybe that’s why Zeno was going to nuke everything if 17 didn’t make that wish.

@tehgxn4902

11 ай бұрын

Zeno actually was going to eliminate the universe that made a selfish wish and bring the others back

You guys are my favorite DB YT content creators, along with unrealent. Hope you guys do more contents like this.. And why Oppai is no longer as active as before? 😅

To be honest I think that’s his goal to beat beerus Think about it and now he seems very confident of himself to beat beerus If it’s possible that’s why he target Goku and Vegeta he was just using them as a punching bag of his power

@BlackBoltLive

Жыл бұрын

I’d argue he is closer to Beerus at base, if he was above Gas in base and able to 1 shot Goku and Vegeta together, his base form might be close to UI fusion level

@shel0016

Жыл бұрын

@@BlackBoltLive beerus is. Still much stronger

@BlackBoltLive

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonone8726 no he was in base he briefly transformed for Goku and Vegeta only to show his new power, check the manga

@BlackBoltLive

Жыл бұрын

@@shel0016 based off of what? Thats a blanket statement it’s implied they are near or at god level already narratively

@dragonballsuper1519

Жыл бұрын

Beerus fought 11 destroyers all at the same time. I really doubt any mortal, be it Goku, Frieza or Vegeta, could hold its own against even 2 destroyers, let alone 11.

frieza is slowly turning into the species he hates the most. a saiyan

I am sure he is way stronger than Goku and Vegeta, but I garuantee you that Frieza's Black form is broken in that there IS a major weakness Frieza either knows of or doesn't. If they aren't going to have Cooler Canon, my guess is they either will have Frieza do the form or Frost partnered with him and has that form.

Whoa Vegeta and Goku having a competition

Remember that time in the tournament of power when Frieza was formulating a plan to take out the zenos or be above them what if black frieza figured out about killing the kais or leading a rebellion towards the gods because of Zenos decisions to wipe out universe's for fun? Or what if removing all the gods of destruction weakens Zeno???

Goku and Vegeta should start training in Hyperbolic Time Chamber and use Ultra Divine Water during breaks to boost their power.

I personally don’t think beerus would just be lazy if he felt a power even close to his

I see a Namek-type arc on the kais planet based on the discussion. if anything i see an all out battle throughout space and some twists ie granola betrayal etc

Frieza is not going to take training from a good nice kind angel smdh but Frieza will seek out more power and if black Frieza got that strong without whis or Beerus it's safe to say Frieza doesn't need them at all but what Frieza needs is powerful allies so he can plan a war on the God's and Angel's

Wreck everyone and leave is pretty accurate lol

This could easily be a interesting new take on the Frieza saga but instead of them actually fighting Frieza but chasing after Frieza, the gang finds out who Frieza was actually talking about in the last chapter. Then from there Frieza is like Vegeta of the Frieza arc or TOP slimy but united against one bigger target.

@LordExor

Жыл бұрын

Frieza should never be like Vegeta. He should never get a redemption arc.

@RoyalGeeker

Жыл бұрын

@@LordExor im not saying he turns into a vegeta from the android or buu arc. Namek Vegeta is still very much a villian

@LordExor

Жыл бұрын

@@RoyalGeeker We've already had a Frieza team-up arc.

@RoyalGeeker

Жыл бұрын

@@LordExor you act like they cant do it again in a different story. The enemy of my enemy storyline has always been a thing in dragon ball. Its really about the way its done. And hell, at the end of the arc its could be one last face off with Frieza and they wont let him live this time.

Cant you wish for anything with the super dragon balls why cant freezer wish to be exempt from erasure

Trained Broly vs Black Frieza would be epic. Especially if they give broly a new form too. Fanboy in me wants him to have SS4.

Frieza as God of Destruction makes more sense than Vegeta, not because he deserves it more but because Vegeta is a family man.

The animation for Beast, Ego, Black, & Ultra all in one scene will be INSANE!!!!!!! Not including Broly and Piccolo.

Frieza finds out about Yardrat, goes there, learns there techniques, especially instant transmission. Teleports throughout the multiverse, killing all gods of destruction. Using his advanced technology, clones his self, establishes his clones as G.O.D.'S of the vacant universes, Has the angels train him and his clones to their full potential as G.O.D.S.'S. Use potara earrings or figures out Namekian fusion. And merges all of his clones into him. And with all of their powers and knowledge. Teleports to Zeno's planet, challenges and defeats his royal guard's. Challenges Grand Priest narrowly defeating him. Teleports to universe 7. Knocks out Vegeta and Goku. Takes Goku back to Zeno's planet. And Frieza in front of Zeno, threatens to kill Goku, if Zeno doesn't appoint Frieza the new king of all. ( Cuz he cares about Goku ). It could work. And if that works. Frieza then searches the multiverse for powerful warriors to serve as new G.O.D.S'S! Under the emperor's supreme multiversal rule. Just a theory! Does that sound original and a bit outlandish to anyone.

Everyone going on about someone challenging the Gods but forgets Zamasu basically succeeded in killing EVERY GOD in every universe and became the literal multiverse hahaha how is that not the biggest threat or challenge to the Gods?

@spritvio639

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Zamasu did it the lame way, killing the supreme kais.

@reemobk6499

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@@spritvio639 yeah y'all want an actual opposing threat to challenge and kill the GoD in cold blood fair and square. Would love to see it but doubt it.

Lets be real the writers aren't smart enough for a plot like this to even think of it or be successful in writing it

Frieza vs WHIS I would find WAY more interesting....

@9:44 Mr. Senpai stated a common misconception by saying that Beerus is "not supposed to get involved in mortal affairs". That is incorrect. The angels are the only ones sworn to neutrality. The gods can do whatever they want. Furthermore, Beerus actually is supposed to get involved in a lot of these affairs that the z-fighters take care of. A good number of the threats of the series should have actually been Beerus' responsibility to take down. It is just that Beerus is lazy and spends all his time eating and sleeping. Why do you think universe 7's mortal level is so low? The gods of destruction are meant to keep balance in the universe by destroying planets or people that threaten that balance. In other words, the universe ideally should not have villains like the Saiyans, Frieza, Buu, Moro, etc... that go around destroying planets or wiping out all life on them. It is Beerus' job to destroy such threats, but he is lazy and he justifies his laziness by calling these issues "mortal affairs". Long story short: Beerus is actually supposed to get involved. That "mortal affairs" nonsense is just his excuse for his laziness.

@YlO414

Жыл бұрын

Agree

I'd like to see a Shadow Dragons style arc where Universe 7 have to battle the Destroyer Gods.

You both accepted Whis would "disappear" if Beerus is defeated by Freiza Black, but in the T.o.P., the Angels whose universes were erased just continued to hang out with Whis in the stands. They didn't "Go" anywhere. Wouldn't Whis just find a replacement G.o.D. to train?

Wait for 3 months, until Goku and Vegeta catch up to Frieza ......

One thing we never really got from Z is the scope of Freeza's Empire. If Freeza does become a god killer, I hope the arc that he is reintroduced as a proper villain truly shows us how much galactic power he truly has. So far, we've only had small scenes and implied dialogue of his political power. I mean let's face it, Freeza was completely out of his element on Namek and the two instances he showed up on Earth

I feel like Frieza gone make OG73 his henchman, I don’t think OG73 is out of the equation yet

@blackshogun272

Жыл бұрын

do you think if OG73 came into contact with old Tuffel relics that he'd become the Canon version of Baby?

What if frieza find a way to universe 6 and destroy planet sadala just to po’ed Vegeta and Goku?

Everyone's assuming toriyama has plan and is looking forward. He'd proved that he's never looking forward more than about 3 chapters.

I would say probably that with the 10 years training he did to obtain black Frieza that essentially he got a fusion level increase to his power

I think Frieza should be the final villain. Think about it, he was the cause for the end of the Saiyans including Goku's parents and Vegeta's (although we have no info on Vegeta's mother). Frieza was the space emperor of Universe 7 and a menace so, it should go without saying that he should be the end main villain.

@adrianblade5145

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Plus Frieza has been known many among us and established himself as the mainstay villain. So no other new villain should be the final villain.

I can see moki telling freiza now lol 😆

The Angels were still around after the universes were erased which included the gods of destruction during the tournament of power. How are the angels going to die if the gods of destruction dies? I thought they just were inactive that does not mean dead I dont think.

One thing people seem to not take notice of is WHY we had the tournament of powe. Remember they considered Beerus’ universe WEAK. So weak four universes say out of the tournament because Zeno determined there was no reason for the to participate. Frieza naturally wouldn’t want Goku and Vegeta dead, it’d lower their overall power scale. Zeno already said he deleted universes for being too weak, if frieza wants to prove he’s worthy of godhood he NEEDS goku and vegeta. Another thing but it’s already been said because of how hakai works Beerus power is essentially infinite because he gets stronger the more he thinks about destruction. That’s why it was important to take out Vegeta as fast as possible, remember even Gas was scared of ultra ego because Vegeta kept getting Zenkai boosts for as long as the form endured. Forget training for ten years Vegeta could probably get that strong just by EXISTING if ultra ego lasts long enough.

since frieza showed up still to this day it is still on my mind about what he did to surpass goku and vegeta in power. it made Moro and granola art look like ants that just got step on. I hope that next arc we at least see beerus fight and step in I want to see his full potential.

@pablogomesoliveira2677

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He trained In the room of spirit and time

Freeza has always had a thing for dragonballs so it would only make sense he goes for the super dragonballs

@stellaallison1309

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@@jasonone8726 same as the one from the TOP to overthrow the gods I would think

So my question about came as I was listening to you both. Assuming freeza beats beerus whether it’s in a fight or otherwise, would that mean vegeta would be the new god of destruction? My only reasoning for this would be the earring he received from beerus in the previous arc signifying he has taken him on as his pupil.

@duhnduhnduhn

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If Frieza beats Beerus, Frieza becomes the next G.o.D. In earlier episodes of the DBS anime, Beerus talks to Goku and says something along the lines "You're not trying to get stronger to surpass me and take my place as God of Destruction are you?" and of course goku says "Of course not" so by assumption. There's 2 ways of becoming G.o.D: 1. You challenge the current G.o.D to a duel. 2. You get nominated as the next successor of G.o.D presumably by The G.o.D themself or the Angel

Frieza need access to a god to get into the room of spirit and time. So Frieza has a god on his side.

@loregasmic

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Probably that Supreme Kai from Universe whatever that he was trying to negotiate with

@ESKFT

Жыл бұрын

Good point

It is dragonball super after all, so I would assume that frieza has got to do something with the dragon balls. Putting that aside, frieza wouldn’t train with whis, it is so out of his character. Plus he can get really stronger just by training, he doesn’t need an angel to help him, at least that’s what they have shown us so far. So it doesn’t really make sense for him to opt for becoming the next god of destruction. Frieza has already said that he couldn’t stand being behind goku and vegeta in power, so he trained for 10 years to surpass them and reclaim his title as the strongest. So, that is the endgame for him, to become again the supreme ruler of the universe. And the only way to achieve this is by defeating beerus. That right there is the essence of the upcoming arc. Frieza defeating beerus and being the antagonist/villain he always was. Not him overthrowing Zeno or the angels. That would be too far fetched for dragonball.

Remember, Goku and Vegeta still hasn’t fully mastered, ultra instinct or ultra eagle

Freiza did say he wanted to stay reletive to goku and vegeta so goku and vegeta were around 9 years ahead of him but since he trained for 10 years he basically as strong as goku mui silver hair form Remember folks goku didn't use the silver hair form on him he did use it on gas old form only because he wanted to help granola end the fight makes him stronger then gas because the Silver hair form is his full power but he dicided to save as much stamina as he can while slowly growing stronger with true ultra instinct oman form surpressing his power of corse gas and goku tuio struggle back and fourth so gas old form is likely twice more powerful then goku tuio and vegeta ultra ego and his zombie form is 5 times stringer then both of them and since goku needs his heart to be clam and tranquil in order for him to tap into the silver hair form at full power and even grow stronger being emotionless and since it would be his last resort this will be the form to defeat black freiza who weaker then the gods of destruction who are currently stronger then he is Beerus is like 100 million years ahead of them and since broly was born with past reincarnations from older lssj's he basically as strong as lord beerus in his lssj state so yes freiza beatable to goku perfect ultra instinct silver hair form but they dicided to save that form to rematch black freiza

What if he wishes for some saiyan genes so he can get zenkai boosts. Therefore he can exponentially get stronger

No way Frieza can take on the Angels yet, let alone the freakin Grand Priest!