Wow you’re actually a pretty good rider! A soft rider makes a soft horse and thats exactly what youve done. A horse is a reflection of you and your horse reflects how gently and amazingly youve trained em :) im saving up for one of these bridles ive heard and seen how they work miracles

@happyhorsesbitless6774

6 жыл бұрын

Oakridge Equestrian hello! And thank you for your lovely positive comment. I try to be soft and listen to horses at all times, it's great to see someone recognize my efforts. If you want a bridle I sell them through my webpage www.happyhorsesbitless.com Cheers Suzy ☺ 🐎

I find it funny when some people say "oh my horse it to strong" or "oh no it will take off with me if I go bitless" The bit is the problem! Lets go back to basics, the flight or fight response. Bits where specifically created to inflict pain into the horses mouth for control of the horse. Well some horses are especially reactive to that pain and will use that flight or fight response and try to fight the bit. Which makes them pull, run off with you, hop, etc. Taking away the pain tool, is now taking away the threat causing the flight or fight response in the horse. There for you know have a well behaved, great riding horse. One girl was talking to me about this, saying her horse would run off with her, well I explained the flight or fight thing and she went ahead and tried bitless. She said the horse had never acted so well before. Now that the threat is gone the horse can actually focus on what you're asking it to do. But Unfortunantly you can throw all the facts you want in someones face and they will still be just as ignorant and indenile about the subject. Wont even bother to actually read a updated scientific or veterinary written article or study about how bits negatively effect horses. I've heard some people say the most stupid things when trying to defend bits to. Like try to pass it off "well if this person uses 3 bits on their horse at once then that means using one on my horse is fine" Like just cause someone else is inflicting more pain onto their horse then you, still does not make it okay. Like wheres youre logic 😂

@happyhorsesbitless6774

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Alison, thanks for sharing with us. I can sense your frustration and I know it can be difficult when something that is sooo obvious is invisible to other people. But I truly believe that in the future the majority of people WILL ride bitless and those using bits will be a bit on the outside, sort of like cigarette smokers are now. If we just keep saying it and stay positive and show people how to do it, it will happen. Cheers Suzy ☺ 🐎

@briellespiano16

2 жыл бұрын

So true

yes another person who is nice and doesn't abuse there horse with a bit but instead using a humane kind way to ride

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

Bailey TheHyena Thankyou! I try to be as respectful and considerate of the horses as I can be. It sounds like you're coming from the same place....hi 😊

@horsecrazykelly3940

5 жыл бұрын

Yes!

I've just bought the horse I've been riding for 2 years. This boy is asymmetric, and he was being ridden by his owner in a very heavy western saddle. Although his owner was thoughtful and careful, after a succession of falls, and an injury, she lost her confidence and that is when I bought him. Whenever I get a horse with a problem I strip everything off and ride in the most basic tack. No noseband, the horses teeth feet and saddle were checked and a baseline established after a visit from the Osteo to unearth any physical shortcomings. Once all of those important baselines are checked, conformation reviewed and any possible problems given thought, re-training began with gentle work on suppleness in the round pen/on the lunge and gentle, undemanding hacks in walk to build the relationship. I have only ever used a Hackamore bitless bridle once but was put off because of the enormous pressure put on the horses head so I was very interested to learn more about bitless bridles from your informative video. I know they've been around for years but I haven't had a horse for 20 years and methods move on. Thank you for sharing. I shall be trying one out!

I truly hope I'm able to get my boy going comfortably in a bitless someday. He's only 4-5(had him for just over a year now), but the morons who initially adopted him before suddenly returning him to the rescue used sidepulls and bitless on him. They forced him into hyper flexion and rolkur WITH a bitless causing considerable mental damage to him with bitless bridles and even basic aids such as lunge lines and whips(plenty of video evidence[the rescue was appalled]). He used to ride with his nose literally in your stirrup going in a straight line if you applied even the SLIGHTEST rein pressure and would shut down. He goes EXTREMELY well in an oval mouth loose ring currently and is a very happy not. That is after over a year of developing his trust and confidence in me, and with aids, cues, gear, etc, and unteaching the abuse afflicted upon him with a bitless bridle. I recently tried him in a bitless and IMMEDIATELY he started hyperflexing and started shutting down(clearly he still remembers what happened to him before we adopted him). Thankfully by the end of our second session in the bitless, he stretched down into the bridle, moved a bit happier, and didn't shut down or hyperflex or over flex with slight pressure. Long term goals I suppose. He is very responsive to leg/seat cues/aids and is very soft thankfully.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

Veronica Browning wow what a journey you're on and all hats off to you for being willing to rehabilitate such an abused horse, sometimes I'm embarrassed to be human. What you're doing sounds wonderful, keep up the good work and I wish you and your horse a lovely future together 😊🐎 Suzy

Love this video, and I love bitless bridles over bitted, great video.

@suzymaloney2876

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Brielle, thanks for your comment, I'm a total bitless fan too!

Excellent video! Thank you for your compassionate horsemanship.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

6 жыл бұрын

Thankyou Denise! I always try to consider the horse in everything I do, that you can see that is awesome, it's so encouraging to get positive responses. Wishing all the best, Suzy ☺ 🐎 💛

@deniseelliott3986

6 жыл бұрын

Happy Horses Bitless Thank you Suzy! Your video is very helpful, I’ve just started riding and I need all the help I can get. Keep up the great work-your horse is gorgeous btw.❤️🐴

I watched a video on KZread and it said that the bit hurts the roof of the horses mouth

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

Yes they do and lots of other damage too, poor horses 😐

@carolineleiden

6 жыл бұрын

And his gums, tongue, teeth and lips. They are designed to cause pain. Just look at the painsignals the horse gives, and you'll know. Opening his mouth, chomping on the bit, getti g his to gue under it, or behind it, or letting the tongue out sideways. Ears back, wrinkles in his face, white of the eyes showing. Head shaking, bucking, rearing, stomping his feet. Flicking his tail. Bending his neck or kicking it up high. All in an effort to ease the pain, to get away from it. And the stupid rider keeps the reins tight, so the pain won't stop. "Keeping contact", they call it. The bit people will tell you he is " just being difficult", without wondering WHY. I'd be difficult if you were hurting me! If only horses could cry, maybe then we would feel some compassion. But most riders lack compassion, lack empathy. A horse is a plaything, a tool. Not a living creature.

@Abs0lut3Cyner

5 жыл бұрын

Not only the roof but also the gums due to how sharp horse jaw bones are.

@macobats

5 жыл бұрын

@@carolineleidenI agree for the most part and my goal is to ride only with a cord, but don't dismiss a bitless bridle as being pain free. If you have children learning or inexperienced riders pain and damage can be caused by this bridle as well. Horses have a ton of nerves in their face, especially around their nasal bone, and their nasal bone is very thin so if there is lack of training this can be painful and damaging as well. I wish horses could talk. There is a lot of ignorance out there because horses can't talk, but thank goodness we have people educating others on these very beautiful animals.

@labrakadabra9026

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah even more so with a flash band. Basically their mouth is shut down and they have to deal with it hitting the roof of the mouth. All just for a ribbon.

You are doing God's work. I want to see bits outlawed.

@suzymaloney

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Alice, thanks for your comment, that would be amazing if bits were outlawed! 😊 Suzy

What an awesome bridle! And I think you are an absolute _doll_ to your horse! I would totally ride with a bit-less bridle ... I mean, if I ever have a horse again. Dang, I miss horses! Anyway, thanks for the video. It was easy and informative. Peace.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

5 жыл бұрын

Thankyou for your lovely comments and yes it IS an awesome bridle, I absolutely love it and so do the horses 😊💛

@runningamok

5 жыл бұрын

@@happyhorsesbitless6774 I'd like you to know that I am now _looking_ for bit-less bridles when I watch equestrian sports (love show jumping!). I wish I had a horse so I could use this bridle! LOL (Okay, I wish I had a horse for _other_ reasons too ... but Dr. Cook's bridles just fills me with happiness! No more foamy mouths, chomping teeth, etc.) Bitless = Genius! Thanks for the demo -- _and_ the nice response. :-)

Beautiful horse! Look how happy it is without a bit. This is what I want to see more of!

@suzymaloney

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Vincent, Thank you for your comment, Elvis is a very happy horse, he absolutely loves being bitless 🙂🐎

@Abs0lut3Cyner

5 жыл бұрын

@@suzymaloney I'm happy to hear! You're doing a real good job keep it up Hun!

@suzymaloney

5 жыл бұрын

@@Abs0lut3Cyner Thank you and I will definitely keep spreading the news about the joys of bit less horse riding 🙂🐎

He looks so relaxed and happy 😀 that’s just great to see

@suzymaloney

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Doreen, yes he's a happy chappy now he's bitless ☺️🐴

Thx for not being like most english riders and using bits.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

Rio Tenbrink thankyou for your comment and yes I'm really NOT into using bits 😊🐎

@laylarisner4716

7 жыл бұрын

Go on KZread and hook up what a bit does two horses mouth and you will see it hurts the roof of the mouth And can break the back teeth where it's metal

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

Richard Whited yes and bits can seriously damage the tongue, split the corners of the mouth and cause the formation of painful bone spurs 😐

@teagan2191

6 жыл бұрын

erm western and English both use bits?.?!

@awee._.official3653

5 жыл бұрын

No hate, but just because you ride English doesn't mean you use a horrible bit, western riders use bad bits just as much as some of those mean English riders. Again no hate! I appreciate the comment

From a librarian: There's a "young adult" novel titled *The Blue Sword* in which the hero first removes her horse's bit, then gets rid of the bridle altogether! Yeah, she kills the dragon, defeats the evil wizard and ... but read it for yourself.

@suzymaloney

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Vera, thankyou for your book recommendation! I'm always on the lookout for a good read and that sounds perfect for me 💞

yes thankyou! good job

@happyhorsesbitless6774

6 жыл бұрын

trail katie Thanks Katie! 😊 🐎

Hi I have found the Dr Cook great on my hot Arab except in company when he still hots up and wants to race. I then need to use a lot of pressure to hold him and now find he is bucking, any training tips for use when out with other horses please

@suzymaloney

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, I'm glad you like the bridle. There are a number of things you could try in this situation, you may have already tried these but I'll list all I can think of. 1. Look at what you're feeding your horse, Arabs are hot anyway, so any heating feed such as grains or pellets will increase this, go for high fiber low sugar feeds, 2. ensure your saddle fits well, bucking often accompanies a sore back, 3. Using a tight rein all the time can wind up horses and turn them into springs, ready to explode at any moment, if your horse is acting up, instead of using a tighter rein you could do small circles, as soon as he slows down allow him to go forward again, if he speeds up or acts up, back to the small circles, repeat until he works out the comfortable place, it's hard work for horses to do small circles, they will want to avoid it after a while. 4. Practice one rein stops at home, this will help with the small circles too and increases your personal safety. 5. Do more groundwork exercises at home to increase your connection and communication levels with him. 6. Some people find lunging their horse at home before the ride can take the top edge off the energy levels. 7. Anything else that comes to you intuitively from your horse, ultimately he knows what he needs so if you can tune in to him and wait for inspiration something just perfect may pop into your head. I hope this is of some help, I'd love to hear how you go, and remember everything with horses takes time, they have a lot to teach us and patience is definitely on that list, all the best, Suzy 🥰🦄

oh my what a beautiful boy! I still have a question though, which bitless bridle is better side pull or crossover?

@suzymaloney

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Mankie, I totally agree, Elvis is gorgeous ❤ I personally prefer the cross-under style of Bitless. The side-pull is basically just a fancy halter, all the pressure on the nose. The cross-under distributes the pressure around the whole head, resulting in less pressure on any one spot. This makes it very humane and also very effective. There's more info. on my webpage www.happyhorsesbitless.com Cheers Suzy 🙂🐎

These are amazing! Your horse is very quiet though, how effective are they on a young, green or overly energetic horse?

@happyhorsesbitless6774

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Rhyanon, when I first started using these bridles I was riding a newly started very green, very reactive brumby. It was the best thing ever. When I rode him with a bit he would react to something and I'd have to correct him, then he'd be hot as hell from then on. When I changed him into the bitless, he still reacted to things, I still made my correction, then he was calm and continued on as if nothing had happened afterwards. Because he didn't feel any pain from the bit when I made the correction his brain didn't have a huge reaction. For this reason I think they are much more suited and much safer for young, green or excitable horses than a bit. Suzy

Can you show us how you can manage to engage the hindquarters and get the horse to work in frame with this please??

@suzymaloney

Жыл бұрын

Hi, there's no difference between riding in a cross-under and riding in a bit. If you want to ride in a frame you do exactly the same as you would in a bit. A bridle is meant to catch the energy of the horse which you generate with your seat and legs, it doesn't have to be super strong for this 😊

I think it’s sooo important that the rider makes sure the horse is as happy and comfortable as possible. To me bits get more abusive faster. Metal bits look disgusting just by the looks of them. I mean if a horse is that bad with bitless pressure you should use a very soft rubber bit. But you should never use a bit for the riders needs. A bit should really only be used if it’s the horse who prefers pressure there.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Labra, thankyou for your comment. Bits can definitely end up being abusive. But even using a 'soft' bit there will be times when the horse startles, stumbles etc., when the rider will accidentally jab the horse in the mouth, it's unavoidable. A better option is to just use a bitless bridle all the time. Some horses take to them instantly, others need some time to adjust, but it's time well spent in the long run, Cheers Suzy

@labrakadabra9026

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I really hate bits in general.

@labrakadabra9026

5 жыл бұрын

I’ve actually learned more since I wrote this comment. I take notice to the people who say my horse reacts bad to bitless pressure that in almost in every video they are using a bit of course the horse is going to react bad u can’t just a whole month use a bit then for one day try a bitless bridle and turn around and say my horse don’t like it of course because once you try bitless keep it that way. Don’t just try it for one day and say my horse doesn’t like it it has to adjust to the different pressure. Those kind of people can’t keep their horses bitless because they know they can’t compete that’s why so that’s their excuse. Can’t just one day try a bitless bridle and say your horse don’t like it give them time to adjust.

can i switch between using a bitless bridle and one with a bit?

@suzymaloney

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Sarah, if you want to use a bit on a horse that has never had one they would need to be trained by a professional to respond to it. As the bit uses pain to communicate with a horse, if you just inflict the pain the horse may become dangerous. If you are having problems with your horse in a bitless bridle I would be happy to help you. If you send me an email to happyhorsesbitless@gmail.com outlining the issues you are having I will see if I can be of assistance, cheers Suzy ☺️

@sarahlouise9433

4 жыл бұрын

Suzy Maloney i was just wondering since i show quarter horses and i don’t want to use a bosal so i show in a bit. i wanted to try bitless but i know i’d have to switch between using a bit and bitless. that’s why i was asking. thank you though! :)

@suzymaloney

4 жыл бұрын

@@sarahlouise9433 ah thanks for the extra info. Yes absolutely you can switch between the two. Some top level dressage riders do all their training and general riding in a bitless then put the bitted bridle on just for the comp, they say it works well, as it means they maintain their relationship with the horse then get an extra edge in the comp, cheers 😍 Suzy

@sarahlouise9433

4 жыл бұрын

Suzy Maloney thank you so much! ❤️❤️

@suzymaloney

4 жыл бұрын

@@sarahlouise9433 you're welcome 💕

Please say again the name of this bridle.

@suzymaloney

3 жыл бұрын

Dr Cooks Cross-under bitless bridle, sorry for the late reply, youtube didn't notify me of your comment 🥰 www.happyhorsesbitless.com

@johnhawks5035

3 жыл бұрын

@@suzymaloney Thank you.

where did u get it?

@happyhorsesbitless6774

8 жыл бұрын

Hi Stacy you can buy online at www.happyhorsesbitless.com 😊

@chanel.whores9101

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!

@missbonniedee

5 жыл бұрын

Finally found someone who has explained these bitless bridles clearly. Thank you

I don't think using strong aids, squeezing a horse's head and a slow release of pressure is "100% humane."

@pittielove

7 жыл бұрын

or rather, any more so than the correct and gentle use of a soft bit.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

Everyone has to find what they are happy with. I am happy with the bitless because it enables me to ride without putting pressure on the lips, tongue and bars which are all very sensitive to pain. The outside of the horses head is much less likely to be damaged. I also like to ride with nothing but I know this is not possible for most people so the bitless is a way people can still ride if they don't like bits. 😊 Suzy 🐎

@pittielove

7 жыл бұрын

Any training tool, even a bitless bridle, can be used inappropriately and hurt the animal. I just don't like to see people suggesting that it's a "cure all," "error proof" tool, because then others go into t without bothering to learn how it works. My pony panics and spooks in response to a tightening feeling around his face, and accepts a bit very willingly. This would not be an appropriate piece of tack for him.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

In my own personal experience if a horse dislikes the feel of the bitless bridle it will be because 1. they have not been trained to it, you would never ride a horse the 1st time it has a bit in its mouth but people do this a lot with bitless bridles or 2. the rider has hard hands, if the rider takes up a 'contact ' straight off any horse will panic at the 'new' feel and also if the rider doesn't release instantly once the horse responds they can become confused. I hope this helps Cheers Suzy ☺ 🐎

@vanessanightbear3942

6 жыл бұрын

pittielove she even said multiple time that this is a SERIOUS piece of equipment, letting off the aura that to use this you need to know what your doing

bitless is good but u gotta still be easy with the reins! that thing when the horse got up on his back legs isnt a good sign

@happyhorsesbitless6774

6 жыл бұрын

michal guliamov hi and thanks for your comment. This horse was a Riding for the Disabled horse who hadn't been asked to canter for years. RDA horses are mainly led at the walk. The video was to show how to use the bitless bridle. I left in his little rear as it showed how he easily overcame his worry about cantering after such a long time not doing it, and also to show that the bitless bridle gives plenty of control, even if a horse rears! I totally agree about having soft reins no matter what gear you're using. Cheers Suzy ☺ 🐎

This is a very neat concept, but I, and many others do not like that this bridle does not give immediate release of pressure. it makes it very frustrating for horses especially when trying to soften, relax, and learn. It works if they are used to constant hand pressure which is, I'll just say...some people's method.

@suzymaloney

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Laura, for many people and horses, myself included, the cross-under is a wonderful bridle. It most definitely does release and the horses train easily in it using pressure/release training. I am aware that one size does not fit all, everyone has different riding styles and this bridle will not suit every style. I hope you have found a bitless bridle that suits you. I also ride in and sell side-pull bitless bridles in my shop. For me it is all about removing the bit from the horses mouth. What style of bitless you then choose is up to you. Different strokes for different folks, at the end of the day it's all about the horses not having bits, let's support each other in that, cheers Suzy ☺️🐴

I have always rode in a hackamore so I would not know what do bits do to a horse

@happyhorsesbitless6774

6 жыл бұрын

Chey Bender thats awesome I wish I could say that. I love that there are people and horses who have never experienced bits. Thanks for your message 😊 Suzy 🐎

i am currently training my 3yr old arab under saddle, she never blinked an eye when i first saddled her, i have taught her basic aids in a rope halter eg turning backing up and was going to use a bitless bridle as her vet says her mouth is small and i will need a very small snafflet, but i am not at all impressed by bitless bridles in action, there is a reason bits were used for thousands of years and they are not cruel if used correctly with a light touch.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Leanne, everyone finds their own way through life. If you feel ok about using a bit then that is ok for you. It has not been ok for me for a long time and that is my personal choice. Best of luck with your young arab, Suzy :)

@citizenjane2087

7 жыл бұрын

thankyou :)

@majaturibaka9504

5 жыл бұрын

Arabs are supposed to get started under saddle at 6, not trying to offend you but..

@labrakadabra9026

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s right they have been using them for years they are ok today that’s not a good explanation of why they are alright today. Just because it’s been a tradition does not make it ok and exceptable. Bits were brought in the world and designed to inflict pain to a horse to make them listen and be in control. Because a long time ago people seen that the only way to control a 1000 or more pound animal was to get it to listen through pain. You can’t change the way something was brought in the world. That’s how bits were seen then and you can’t just change the way they are seen and how they came to be🤷‍♀️.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

5 жыл бұрын

@@labrakadabra9026 yes I think it's time we updated the way we ride horses, we update everything else in life but the bits we use now look so like the ones used 5000 years ago it's crazy, time for a total overhaul of the equine industry and get with the 21st century!

I like your horse I have a horse she is a black blanket Appaloosa and her name is briar from the brand of toy horses

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

Your horse sounds lovely! 😊

Need to have is sensitivity to riding horses. The horse reared because it felt the pressure of this equipment that has nothing of natrual horsemanship, alias is for those who knows little of horse behavior and negative reinforcement.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Diogo? I do know a little about horse behaviour and negative reinforcement. I have a degree in Equine Science from Charles Sturt University from which I graduated with distinction. I was especially interested in behaviour subjects at uni and did elective behaviour subjects as well as the core ones. I have been riding and working with horses for around 40 years, am a trained riding coach through The Equestrian Federation of Australia and have studied Natural Horsemanship principles in my spare time. In this instance I had no pressure on the horses head at all. He was at an RDA center where the horses are only led at a walk with people with disabilities riding them. For him to be ridden out in the open field and asked to move at speed was something he had not done for many years. I was very happy with how well he dealt with a totally new situation, regards, Suzy.

If you claim this bridle is as strong as a bit and that it's completely humane, wouldn't a bit be considered humane by that logic?

@suzymaloney

3 жыл бұрын

Hi King Zeus, thankyou for alerting me to my language use, the word 'effective' would definitely be more suited there than the word strong, cheers Suzy ☺️

Ooof lots of people that have no idea here. Bits AND bit less (side pull, western mechanical, English mechanical, bosal, etc. ALL are pain based for the horse. The put unwanted pressure and stress on the horses facial nerves. A happy mouth but does less damage then this. It has no bend and it is just rubber.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

6 жыл бұрын

Žøę Wįñdâwñ hi I wonder if you have personal experience with the Dr Cooks cross-under? It was developed by a veterinarian specifically to address the issue of pain caused by riders. Years of research into the pain caused by the bit, years of research into an alternative humane solution then years of follow up research and trials went into the development of this extremely humane bridle. If you doubt the pain effects of the bit just google it there are numerous scientific research papers documenting the pain and injuries caused by bits. 😊 Suzy 🐎

The Dr. Cook bridle drives most horses crazy after awhile and that is not humane. Why put pressure on 5 places at once when you only want a horse to do one thing? Going bitless is great, except this particular contraption does nothing to benefit a horse. Stick with side pull halter bridles and your horse will thank you.

@suzymaloney

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Troll, it's ok if you prefer to use sidepulls, it's not so much about which style of bitless you use, it's about removing the bit for the horses benefit. My personal experience with the cross under for over 10 years now is all positive. I've used it on hundreds of horses with success. The distribution of the pressures actually makes it more humane. The rider uses the same amount of rein pressure as with any other type of bridle, but instead of that pressure being all in 1 spot, the nose or mouth, it's distributed around the whole head, meaning each spot receives a portion of it and no one spot has heaps of pressure. Not only does this make it kinder for the horse, it also makes it more effective. Because it's different to a bit or a halter, I always recommend people spend time doing yields on the ground using the bridle first, this makes the transition to riding in it easier for everyone. My horses love it and it works for me, cheers Suzy ☺🐎

slow release makes slow responding horses!!!!

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly if you are fast enough with your release so you are releasing the instant the horse responds you will have a horse that learns very quickly 😊🐎

@drunkkhajit5035

5 жыл бұрын

Mouth pain makes aggressive disobedient horses

@happyhorsesbitless6774

5 жыл бұрын

@@drunkkhajit5035 you are so spot on! I could never ride a horse with a bit now, to sit on a 500kg flight animal and inflict pain on it is sheer lunacy!

average gear much better options out there.

@happyhorsesbitless6774

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Gurtuton, I am sorry to hear you have not had good experiences with the Dr Cooks cross-under. It works beautifully for me and I feel very fortunate to have found it. I hope you have found something that works as well for you, Regards, Suzy :)