It's going to be real fun to revisit this video in 5-10 years.

@jaylast1958

3 жыл бұрын

Buying both. Bitcoin known to gain value faster, and gold known to hold value via historical precedent

@richardsoto278

3 жыл бұрын

I would say 12 months ..

@abelworld

3 жыл бұрын

Right!!! Puerto Rock!! JP Morgan are super whales! They are buying bitcoin!

@PointDexterrocks

3 жыл бұрын

Right! Frank is grasping straws. He doesn't want the shift of power to happen

@josephdecrescenzo5001

3 жыл бұрын

BITCOIN FOR KIDS GOLD FOR ADULTS

OK, so what did we learn? Frank will buy bitcoin at the dip Michael will not buy gold

@eliotengelking2594

3 жыл бұрын

Lmfaooo

@MHendersonwriter

3 жыл бұрын

Today I learned that having money does not = being smart. AND.....I got to see a dinosaur die on live TV/WEB today. Adapt or Die!

@markfoster8167

3 жыл бұрын

@@MHendersonwriter you’ve been watching “Money Ball”!

@MHendersonwriter

3 жыл бұрын

@@markfoster8167 No, Ive been watching old gold lovers get publicly embarrassed because they cant put their pride down..this is a vicious cycle that will continue to go on...

@cococryptotv9750

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on!

I've seen people make seven-figure profits in both declining and rising markets; it all depends on the information and methods used. There is no doubt that the recession and crisis have benefited some people significantly.

@Ammo-Hoarder

Жыл бұрын

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@CynthiaByrd648

Жыл бұрын

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@Ammo-Hoarder

Жыл бұрын

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@CynthiaByrd648

Жыл бұрын

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When someone attacks the opponent personally, it means they are running out of argument. Same as when you glorify your own expertise. Frank kept commiting logical fallacies. I love it how Michael would just strike back with facts and theory in cold blood.

@rickydavis5422

2 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking Frank has an ego problem. Very rude

@edithaoribello8215

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Bit it coin…..

@edithaoribello8215

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody wants gold… its always stolen. Bitcoin is not fantasy. It’s reality

@topdog5252

2 жыл бұрын

The beauty of Micheal’s opening remark just focussed on engineering, 1st principles and pure reality. Love to see it

@Eline_Meijer

2 жыл бұрын

you need to watch this again, your guy lost it big time. Michael just made me sell my Bitcoin, I made me realize that Bitcoin is useless

Michael was talking about bitcoin, Frank was talking about Michael.

@PP-qx6ss

3 жыл бұрын

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@k.k.9923

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, that really makes an impression.

@ArmArmy88

3 жыл бұрын

Great comment

@NeoKailthas

3 жыл бұрын

and then at the end he cries about being attacked lol

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3 жыл бұрын

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Lot of respect for Michael when Frank was attacking. Michael didn't do it once. Respect to him

@katrinleinhos6610

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same. Michael stayed calm while attacked quite personal by Frank.

@rubenortega6088

2 жыл бұрын

There is no need to attack a gold defender, it’s like embarrassing an elder whose time has passed.

@yihyong3836

2 жыл бұрын

It was very obvious saylor understands bitcoin and gold, frank was getting schooled so he just attacked. Speaks volumes

@adriantatar6046

2 жыл бұрын

Michael attacked Frank with arguments and facts. It was easy

@amogrows

2 жыл бұрын

I scrolled the comments, initially thinking no one noticed. I am not keen on Frank's approach. A debate is terrible when the opposition takes sly digs instead of sticking to the topic.

The fin-Markets have underperformed the U.S. economy as fear of inflation hammers the prices of stocks and bonds. My $400,000 portfolio is down by approximately 25%, any recommendations to scale up my returns before will be highly appreciated.

@BenjaminMcLeod815

Жыл бұрын

You have to get a financial-advisor/broker to aid you diversify your portfolios to include commodities, inflation-indexed bonds and stocks of companies with solid cash flows, as opposed to growth stocks where valuations were based on future potential earnings,

@PhilipMurray251

Жыл бұрын

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@Alejandracamacho357

Жыл бұрын

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@tradekings5433

Жыл бұрын

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@phillipmoua4

Жыл бұрын

who has a 400k portfolio and is asking for recommendations in the comments

It only took 10 years for there to be a mature debate about bitcoin between 2 opposing sides. Great one!

@lilmayo

2 жыл бұрын

legend

@Jack-ur7mq

2 жыл бұрын

Bitcoin outperformed Gold from the date of thos debate too. Gold went the way..

I'd like to see Michael debate Peter Schiff.

@mathieupotvin8601

3 жыл бұрын

Peter actually reached out but he refuses to debate him...

@kimokapaku3886

3 жыл бұрын

Peter schiff can't even debate his own son

@UnclePhillyMyAss

3 жыл бұрын

Theres no point Schiff just shouts over people

@thomasbrittinghamjr.8508

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe if it was moderated like this one it wouldn't be too bad.

@DiiceForeveroO

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasbrittinghamjr.8508 but this format sucks. You only have 1 minute to rebuttal. If I were on the side of gold I will literally throw so much FUD to Michael to the point that it’s impossible for Michael to rebuttal each point effectively.

This is the first debate i've seen where neither of the guests interrupted each other even once.

@whatifgodimagineinfinity5526

3 жыл бұрын

For me that was part of the problem. They weren't talking to each other. They were just expressing their views with no jousting and arrival at mutually agreed truth.

@PhoenixCrown

3 жыл бұрын

@@whatifgodimagineinfinity5526 I wish they had spoken directly to each other instead of Daniella, but I LOVED how respectful each of them were--we could actually hear their arguments!!! Compare that to a T***p debate...

@randalllimburg6410

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhoenixCrown I love Trump crushing Faux Joe!!!

@iwonastas1346

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I felt the same, it was more like a presentation.

@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593

3 жыл бұрын

I hope this debate, between these two seasoned gentlemen, can demonstrate and serve as a template to the millennial generation how to do so in a civilized fashion without intellectual dishonesty, pejoratives, crybullying, and other petty behaviour.

Now that a year has passed, it would be informative to have a rematch. Great presentation by both.

@nerios.v

3 ай бұрын

What about now

@doctorgonzo5358

25 күн бұрын

​@@nerios.v 😅 🚀

Given that we all can not always own one of these, the greatest question now remains; Besides these two, is there even any other 1nflation resistant way of getting and storing cash?

@chriswilliams2061

2 жыл бұрын

@@the_jean_mum Now you have my attention sir!! Who's the knight in shinning armour

@trishawallor

2 жыл бұрын

@@the_jean_mum Wow I know this little lady. Once listened to her podcast. Great speaker.

@riverponicsgrowingsystems7450

2 жыл бұрын

I pose a question. What is the biggest vault in the world and what am I trying to relay to you folks ? Secondly, what is the definition of ESG and how does this impact this conversation ?

@cellerism

2 жыл бұрын

No, if you can't get bitcoin you can only get cash and it will always inflated because we will always have incompetent people running this country.

@Pivotification

2 жыл бұрын

You can't get rid of inflation itself, but I think you can manage it. Especially if you got some smart economics and algorithms. For example decreasing supply when price is low to increase price and vice versa. I don't know much about economics but this is what some crypto's are trying to do with bonding curves etc(?) Try looking into the Terra (LUNA coin) ecosystem and it's underlying tech or Sora, another project trying to create a stable coin.

I don't give a hoot who wins this "debate" I'm adding both in exchange of Fiat

Coming back to see this in 1, 5 and 10 years. It will be so fun!

@RandyDupree

3 жыл бұрын

Poor Frank!! many millionaires and Multi millionaires will be made by then lol

@tjhunter3288

3 жыл бұрын

@@RandyDupree people aren't made millionaires and multi millionaires sitting around very often. Be weary

@PatrykNr2010

3 жыл бұрын

When we survive WW3 of course ,-)

@bar8665

3 жыл бұрын

@@RandyDupree millionaires made by crushing the greater fool

@bar8665

3 жыл бұрын

@@timan206 It may crash. My point was if it goes up and they become "millionaires", it's because a "greater fool" bought it so then the lesser fool was able to sell, get out, and reap the benefits leaving them to hold the bags. It's a huge ponzi scheme..

As a guy that can’t play the gold or Bitcoin speculative accumulation game I can still understand that a gold nugget will still be under your mattress when the lights go out.

@domman1077

6 ай бұрын

If the lights go out the only things that will be valuable are food water and guns

@XantinwoX

6 ай бұрын

@@domman1077that’s a lie because you can’t afford gold .

@afonsomendes6907

4 күн бұрын

if the lights go out everywhere in the world at once, youre gonna have much bigger problems 😂

@damiangrouse4564

3 күн бұрын

@@XantinwoX Huh?

@damiangrouse4564

3 күн бұрын

@@afonsomendes6907 There’s no doubt of that but tangible objects will still be more valuable than “vapor wear”. Bitcoin is a first world luxury item. That’s the beauty of capitalism and leisure time…people have time for thinking up “stuff”.

A visionary vs a skeptic, history has proven that disruptive technology wins and it’s clear that it’s shaped our lives over time. In order to move forward, there is always a leap of faith required, but playing defense vs offense is a choice everyone needs to make for themselves.

These two gentlemen could teach our politicians about how to fairly debate like men.

@stolenjunk

3 жыл бұрын

And most of all, have moderators like Daniela.

@youngdrosenumbaone8371

3 жыл бұрын

What politicians?

@FerventReminder

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not so sure I'd call Frank a gentleman, I could be wrong about him of course but I think he has some pretty clear and suspect connections to the Clintons and Epstein from memory.

@stolenjunk

3 жыл бұрын

@@FerventReminder hmmm

@FixUp.LookSharp

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It was much much more professional than Trump v Biden

What a pleasure it is to have a hostess that asks a powerful question and allows the guest to speak freely.

@rocking1313

3 жыл бұрын

never happens on cable tv ever!

@getreal155

3 жыл бұрын

Stop watching TV for a few months and then you notice this is actually normal.

@sineadward5225

3 жыл бұрын

She's so good. Solid interviewing skills.

@brian6x

3 жыл бұрын

You don't get that on tv!

@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593

3 жыл бұрын

I hope this debate, between these two seasoned gentlemen and a tempered moderator, can demonstrate and serve as a template to the millennial generation how to do so in a civilized fashion without intellectual dishonesty, pejoratives, crybullying, and other petty behaviour.

The best part of Gold and silver is that you can't trace it with is sold, with cryptos transactions will be on the blockchain unless you buy Monero and they are banning it because it's not about your privacy its about tracking your transactions with cryptos.

What a great debate for our next generation. This video will be so impactful for our future kids than going to an outdated finance classes or majors!

No interruptions from either debater or the moderator only to inform time is up and to ask the questions...WOW!!! Moderator very professional and showed no bias...next presidential debaters should be forced to watch this debate!!!

@LingJunZhang

3 жыл бұрын

thumb up this, but still do believe Trump did better with Biden and more fun~~

@Tony_Rome

3 жыл бұрын

@@LingJunZhang yessss

@oliveoil7642

3 жыл бұрын

Worst moderator ever Chris Wallace from Fox sooo biased for Biden disgusting and shameful

@tonyrome617

3 жыл бұрын

@robin young if the moderator is not bias then yea I see your fuckin point 🤘I don’t know how she would of handled a ruckus presidential debate? Goldwater 🤣 that’s a long time ago jeez…anyway your comment was Hott AF!

@ckniffen7111

3 жыл бұрын

Just let Daniella do the next presidential debate lol

Two hour summary: - Frank will buy some bitcoin from Michael. - Michael will buy some olive oil from Frank.

@ooosoo8727

3 жыл бұрын

and Michael will buy some gold from me.

@Ninjatech1980

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@sallywilliams421

3 жыл бұрын

Michael will never sell his Bitcoin...Frank will need to register with Coinbase

@efrain2915

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

@dutchcruise

3 жыл бұрын

Best comment here! HHahaha! Made my day! So funny! 🥳😋

The entire debate can be summed up by what Michael said at the end-- Bitcoin is offense and Gold is defense.

@rebelkingz6661

2 жыл бұрын

Spoiler alert! 😆

Saylor is the master in these situations. Incredible intelligence with foresight. For those reasons he will be the richest person in history soon

@andrashka3

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. Buy hex instead.

@Franco_City

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrashka3 LMAO hex

@spikestephens

5 ай бұрын

​@@andrashka3 sorry about your hex position. Hope you'll reconsider Bitcoin now

@_monte

5 ай бұрын

@@spikestephens lmao

Frank convinces me to buy more BTC. Thanks man

@melanieparis8697

3 жыл бұрын

✅

@tradiecshop8267

3 жыл бұрын

lmao true

@kapt619

3 жыл бұрын

Peter come help your boy. He ain't helping.

@tallswede80

3 жыл бұрын

getting wrecked, today.

@justinofioravanti2841

3 жыл бұрын

This comment didnt age well quick..

Saylor's rant on people seizing gold is FKN EPIC!!!!!!

@AmandeepSingh-ft1hf

3 жыл бұрын

My favorite part so far

@thesilverphist6483

3 жыл бұрын

makes Franky sound like pure tedium

@streetcrypto1218

3 жыл бұрын

Ya just after Giustra said “I know my history” ... boom slammed dunked on

@bigqueue

3 жыл бұрын

It is an excellent proof of the value of Gold.

@MaleLateBloomer

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigqueue Its pretty clear in 2021, governments are more scared of bitcoin than gold. The fact Frank is more scared the government will ban bitcoin than gold shows bitcoins value proposition as the future of sound money.

I watched the whole thing and you what you can see is one man that brought up all his points in an objective manner while the other felt like defending himself and his asset because there was no "obvious reason" to like it. Love your work Michael!

Saylor and Shiff should have a debate.

Michael Saylor lays out the statistics while Frank Guistra lays out his emotions. I've learned more about Gold here from Michael than Frank himself.

@kevintomman1277

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on

@valpadilla1

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree;)

@one4320

3 жыл бұрын

Halfway through Frank's opening statement and I'm thinking wtf is he trying to do! I'm hoping to hear an adult debate... I'll keep listening. 58 minutes in and Michael sounds bored in his rebuttal - wasting his breath on Frank's myopic argument. Conclusion: Michael got rich using brain and intellect. Frank got rich using pick and shovel. I feel kinda sorry for Frank, he's getting left behind.

@lutsanpedro9687

2 жыл бұрын

hahaha youre right.

This debate is the epitome of legacy thinking vs innovative forward thinking. Nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.

@brandonsmith6965

3 жыл бұрын

Legacy thinking is the opposite of thinking. It's "doing what we always did".

@donwooss

3 жыл бұрын

Frank "I dont just see" Giustra

@lmfr08

3 жыл бұрын

Well said

@suggadeg

3 жыл бұрын

XRP is the future of cross border payments and transfers. How much does it cost to transfer bitcoin?

@aceofswords1725

3 жыл бұрын

Yupp,, Frank is a boomer elitist, growing fine wines, financing art and smugly preaching "climate change". I don't like him or his ilk. I suspect he would be much happier if people like me and you, most of humanity in fact, didn't exist. Isn't it funny how all those "progressive" and "woke" ideas that are supposed to appeal to the young invariably have roots in late 60s early 70s? Funny that. Thank god boomers have begun retiring these days, perhaps we'll finally have some peace and sanity for a change (Or maybe I'm too optimistic and we'll have to wait till they start dying off in greater numbers).

Sayor must be working for Chick Filet now. $25 per hour not to shabby.

Bitcoin is 66% down since this interview

Michael was a true Gentleman and weathered the personal attacks with honor & Grace. Best Moderation ever! Thank you 🙏

@jeanrichardvarre6062

3 жыл бұрын

😆😅 Michael didn't answer because he had no answer to give.

@SacrumImperiumRomanum517

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeanrichardvarre6062 what didn't he answer?

@haraldversteegden2562

3 жыл бұрын

1:24:55 answering like ? Delusional.......what is he saying..........words .... glued together meaning nothing

@alexloc1446

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeanrichardvarre6062 haven’t watched it have you ;)

@jeanrichardvarre6062

3 жыл бұрын

@@SacrumImperiumRomanum517 He didn't speak at length about the great Danger facing all Bitcoin Holders who live in Countries that are 100% certain to Tax all Bitcoin Transactions ( purchase & sale) 2016-2020. All this plus Capital Gains too. Some Countries will ban possession of Bitcoin outright.

Giustra appears to aim a lot of his responses against Michaels character, whereas, Michael keeps is strictly on the subject at hand.

@edwardpowellmusic

3 жыл бұрын

That's cuz Michael's character warrants commenting on....

@theonlyexpert

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwardpowellmusic thats how one exposes his own weakness on character and facts of subject matter. when wisdom runs low, offenses run high.

@MichaelMinecraft190

3 жыл бұрын

"appears to" ... Interesting choice of language.... Listen to his criticism objectively he challenges Michael's opinions imo,

@theonlyexpert

3 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelMinecraft190 or theres another agenda behind the apparency.

@josephdecrescenzo5001

3 жыл бұрын

BITCOIN FOR KIDS GOLD FOR ADULTS

This aged welll

This title of this video needs to be renamed to "Virgin Frank Giustra vs Chad Michael Saylor"

One of the greatest debates of our generation. Full of great information delivered in a clear, respectful way.if only our presidential debates could go this smoothly.

Thanks to all who made this event possible. God bless all

Bitcoin is limited in quantity? An infinite number of knockoffs is impossible? Have we gone insane?

@DiiceForeveroO

2 жыл бұрын

​@Laguna Bum Gold supply is unknown. Bitcoin's supply and transaction are Publically shown. Bitcoin is HIGHLY divisible. But let's do a thought experiement... A 10inch pizza is infintely dvisible but it WON'T stop world hunger. Bitcoin is the scarcest known thing in the world.

This is the best debate I have heard on the subject. I love Bitcoin, but I take Frank Guistra's position, that governments that hold the power and the guns are not going to give up their control of the world's monetary system easily. Therefore, hedge your bets for all outcomes. The idealist vs the pragmatist is a good way to frame that debate! Terrific!

@dabbbles

2 жыл бұрын

Nor will they. The big threat, in any scenario, is global CBDC. That could happen FAST (even overnight) with not a scrap of warning. People everywhere ought to be making/adopting alternatives NOW!

@comeseetheviolenceinherent579

2 жыл бұрын

I believe that poorer countries will adopt bitcoin because they then can’t be manipulated by stronger countries as much. This will attract entrepreneur class. Those countries will get wealthy. Which then counties like the US will have to become more libertarian to compete with these countries. My vision is that governments losing control of the monetary system will be the greatest thing to happen to political systems since the development of the republic and the free market.

@ts8960

2 жыл бұрын

if they dare to wage war on the people by banning bitcoin, the people will win. especially in countries with the 2nd amendment. Dictatorships like china have already banned bitcoin and the loss is counted. no one cares about them. the people are more powerful than the government. thats the whole point of bitcoin, and thats the spirit behind the people who hold bitcoin, they dont trust the government

@AnthonyJones-gf6yv

2 жыл бұрын

Then you are lost

@markr5132

2 жыл бұрын

After Blackrocks and Fidelities announcement this week.. you have just been proven wrong. If you smart your happy about it however :-)

Well, I sold my gold a while back. I don't regret it.

@whenwe9168

3 жыл бұрын

Longterm you will 🤗

@allaboutmusicmovies9606

3 жыл бұрын

With that comment you are right, you shouldnt own gold, because you doesnt understand it. Gold is for inflation and when the market have problem, which have been good since 2009, so the time to own gold is now, not 2010-2020.

It's so telling that this debate has only 170,000 views. It should be 1000x times this and one day it will be. Bravo for these two gentlemen for having the stones to step up and use their minds to debate substantive issues. The greatest economic issues of our day. Just awesome to see. Daniela, you may be the greatest moderator of our era.

@eugens218

3 жыл бұрын

Well because the outcome of this debate is obvious before watching it and clear after a couple minutes.

@Soaptoaster

3 жыл бұрын

@@eugens218 what was the obvious outcome?

@eugens218

3 жыл бұрын

@@Soaptoaster goldbug gets rekt

@dwaynejones1555

3 жыл бұрын

@@eugens218 Yep. And not even gracefully.

@Soaptoaster

3 жыл бұрын

@Christopher Schotts It's also the genre, not the time since release.

Bitcoin was about $51,683 and Gold was $1783 at the time of this debate (Apr 22, 2021). Today (Jun 14, 2022), Bitcoin is $22,090 and Gold is $1815.

@JohnSmith-bq6nf

2 жыл бұрын

Gold barely moves during inflation on top of that Bitcoin will pump harder

@burkester1045

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how Mike feels about that? Poor guy. Wait for A few months, grrat bitcoin position not so much now.

@michaelhandle

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickd3149 The real promise of Bitcoin (I would say) is not the returns. It's that you get to actually keep what you have over time. (which, as for example the dollar looses its value more and more, will look like a return. But the whole point of bitcoin is that hopefully you won't have to go back to the dollar)

@michaelhandle

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickd3149 Oh important specification! Indeed keeping what you have in and of itself is meaningless. (I could argue that Bitcoin is the best form of property ever invented and that this has in and of itself some (great!) value but that's indeed unrelated to this topic) So "keeping what you have" should refer to both the actual property and the purchasing power

@michaelhandle

2 жыл бұрын

To summarise in pro-bitcoin terms: 1. Nobody can take it from you (it's the best property) 2. Nobody can make more of it (it's the best store of value)

This debate is perfect. Shows both sides for who they really are. Nice quote there Frank where you said "central banks who 'manage' and monitor the value of gold is a necessary evil." You really get to know somebody based on their view of bitcoin. If they don't support it, it's always for self interest or they are misinformed. It really is that simple.

What a public service to these two gentlemen to help us retail investors learn from them. Very generous with their time and expertise. Thank you Michael, Frank, and Daniela!!

@lgrrf

3 жыл бұрын

Michael can be imprecise and misleading in some specific details, but Frank, who likes to come off as this more moderated and wiser character, has made fallacy after fallacy. Here are Frank’s main points (just in the first 25 minutes): 1. “Aspiring to be a safe haven doesn’t make it so” - Bitcoin has been as safe haven as gold has. In times of crisis both have dropped and then gone up. But even if gold was and bitcoin wasn’t, that would be perfectly fine. Bitcoin is still much smaller with a much higher potential. It’s like the internet in the 90s. It aspired to be a lot of things and it became all of that later. 2. “Why would anyone pay 60k today without a target of 500k in mind?” - The only target we need today is 60k. If you’re able to maintain your wealth, it serves the purpose. The same applies to gold. The difference is that gold is more expensive to store and transact, so you actually need a higher target with gold. 3. “Pretending that bitcoin is a risk-free asset is naïve” - I have to agree here. Michael doesn’t present bitcoin’s risks properly. However, the risks from government and central banks apply to gold too. Indeed, gold is more easily confiscated than bitcoin. So, it seems that Michael isn’t the only one to overlook the risks. 4. “I don’t see a way where bitcoin is going to be a method of payment” - This is one of the dumbest comments. If he said it’s not today, that would be perfectly fine. But saying he cannot see that in the future is just dumb. 5. “I can’t see how bitcoin is going to be recognized as money in the way gold is” - This is the very same comment that all the disrupted sectors made just before being disrupted. 6. “Bitcoin has never been tested, especially in a financial crisis (…) gold is going to be safe from cyber attacks on both the internet and power grids” - He’s not sure how bitcoin is going to perform in a crisis, because it hasn’t been tested, but is sure how gold is going to be safe in a non tested scenario. Also, these extreme scenarios are a joke. The largest companies in the world are internet-based/related (Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft). I’ve never heard about that argument to favor investing in Kodak or Blockbuster. Also, bitcoin doesn’t require the internet to exist. 7. “Governments are not going to allow that kind of anarchy [bitcoin capturing the world’s wealth]” - While this is likely to face great governments’ resistance, it’s not an anarchist scenario, providing that governments are still able to collect taxes. An anarchist scenario would be for instance the world war with EMPs that he was describing.

@JuJu916JuJu

3 жыл бұрын

Is Michael reading a script? Wtf

@annabellewood8887

3 жыл бұрын

This two are really helping investors I'm 51 my husband 56 we are both retired with over $3 million in net worth and no debt. Currently living smart and frugal with our money. Saving and lnvesting lifestyle in Bitcoin made it possible for us this early. Thanks to FIRE movement Great debate! Wish we could have Danielle monitor our Presidential Debates. Very professional, insightful and good

@akiobernard3391

3 жыл бұрын

Danielle is a blessing to this generation. I wish and pray my pregnant wife will give birth to smart and intelligent child like Danielle 😅❤️ . She too smart

@akiobernard3391

3 жыл бұрын

Great job with your husband, I bet you're living your best life right now

One of the BEST interviews I ever saw about bitcoin/gold debates, i thank the hostess, the speakers and the organisation to have this special interview! I will share this link to many! Thanks!

Such a great debate. I keep going back to it. The key outtake for me is that we shouldn’t be thinking Bitcoin vs gold, but rather Bitcoin + gold

@dabbbles

2 жыл бұрын

There are all sorts of wanker's fantasies. Mine are more realistically USEFUL than either gold OR craptos. Jane Fonda! (sigh)

Wow, Michael was about as wrong as he could be over a year

Michael eloquently showing us where we should be, Frank bluntly (but necessarily) reminding us where we are...

@INeedsMoneys

3 жыл бұрын

And with that being said, nothing in the universe is stationary. Everything is moving from where it is to where it should be. From Big Bang to expansion to contraction back to Big Bang, and the cycle restarts

@Captain-wc6vj

3 жыл бұрын

@@INeedsMoneys Frank would argue that world view originated at a central bank...

@INeedsMoneys

3 жыл бұрын

@@Captain-wc6vj why?

@dannycorking2632

3 жыл бұрын

Frank is just attacking Michal All I get from this is that gold is for the bankers and the rich! Bitcoin is for everyone I know what I want 👍

@INeedsMoneys

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannycorking2632 people unite. One love. Is all Bitcoin baby! Woohoo

Haha!! Franky boy just made a brilliant case for bitcoin by reminding us that the price of gold is manipulated by our dear governments!! Gotta love him for that!!

The reason "gold is always getting seized" is because it's the only chair left, in the cake-walk, when the phony monetary music stops!

People buy Bitcoin hoping that someone else will for no reason want to pay more for it than they did.

@digital_gravity

Жыл бұрын

Try fleeing Ukraine or Russia or ANY country with a million dollars of gold in a suitcase.

@spikestephens

5 ай бұрын

Watch the price continue to rise. It's not for no reason. Listen to the arguments. It's about the monetary properties and network effects.

Stansberry research, Daniella, Michael and Frank: THANK YOU for showing us that the serious, intelligent debate is still alive! And that is worth even more than both gold and bitcoin!

@ericweis9771

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

Frank says Bit has no history of being tested in a financial crisis...Guess what, during recent hyperinflation in Venezuela and Brazil -- they chose Bitcoin.

@ricoau_ag_stackz2419

3 жыл бұрын

Exceot those examples are NOT financial crisis. Those are social political breakdowns of society. When a society's social and political structures breakdown so does the financial system. Totally different from a financial crisis like 2008.

@TonyChester

3 жыл бұрын

@@ricoau_ag_stackz2419 Their money collapsed. They flocked to Bitcoin. That is all.

@jamarmays8667

3 жыл бұрын

Why do the political and social implications make the underlying financial crisis any different when it comes to the stress test of Bitcoin ?

@ricoau_ag_stackz2419

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyChester Also flocked to Gold 🤷‍♂️ The examples you used did NOT test botcoin at all. Thats the matter of our discussion. And its a matter of fact 🤷‍♂️

@ricoau_ag_stackz2419

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamarmays8667 It makes it different because in a scenarios like he tried to use the people are trying to flee the currency of their State. That scenario does not test safe haven assets like Gold and supposed safe haven assets like bitcoin. In a true financial crisis even safe haven assets get tested, meaning they get pressured to the downside. BUT, unlike the stock market and other risk on investments, Gold and other safe haven assets will reverse from the downside and appreciate in price quickly because investors flee risk-on investments, like stocks, and go into safe haven assets like gold.

This Frank guy defending Gold vs Bitcoin is like my grandfather depending his case of fax machine versus the smartphone of today 😂😂

@Joedirt5

2 жыл бұрын

But reserve banks hold gold not gay bitty coins hun. Do you know exactly how bitcoin works? What if a alternative coin comes along and takes over bitcoin? What will happen to the bitcoin price? Does gold have any competitors??

@drainmonkeys385

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not one or the other…. Both will hold its intrinsic value for decades and probably centuries to come..gold has increased pretty decent in last couple months.. I know, cuz I just sold a few ounces to buy Bitcoin… I keep both.. Because both are exceptionally good

@donny5322

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joedirt5 majority were also using fax machine 20 years ago hun. But where are all the fax machines now? Let me guess..you probably still using it at ur home 😂

@donny5322

2 жыл бұрын

@@drainmonkeys385 not saying gold is not a good store of value. The debate was about which is better. And the answer is clear

The "Gold guy" after the interview "sell all my gold - all in on Bitcoin"

I’m only 30 minutes in, but I keep thinking why is Frank so rude and disrespectful towards Michael - those who attack a person rather than the argument lose the argument in my view

@rebranch74

3 жыл бұрын

Desperation when up against such an adversary is bound to occur, Math versus pessimism 2021.

@nacho370

3 жыл бұрын

100% mate. Frank has not credibility at all

@anthonynicholson5523

3 жыл бұрын

He's watching common sense drain his stash if golds worth

@forestgreensmile

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@patrickmcfly3264

3 жыл бұрын

Frank is pointing out the danger if Michael's arguments of hype, hyperbole, and exaggerations and twisting facts, does Michael guarantee you a refund if Bitcoin doesn't goto 1 million dollars, to 500K, to 250K, to 150K? If he doesn't than what gives MIke the unethical right to guarantee you if you buy at the bubble top, by leveraging margin and debts, and then it drops 80%, what happens if you need to spend your bitcoin funds after the crash?

Every time I hear “living in a fantasy” I’m buying more Bitcoin.

@MrMiggy1978

3 жыл бұрын

lol +1

@orangefield2308

3 жыл бұрын

Daniela should work for CNN ! Amazing reporter !

@mariagutierrez6948

3 жыл бұрын

Wow how do you earn your bitcoins with profits without purchasing them... With the way bitcoins scales recently I'll love to know

@daneillapetts1123

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I believe and I could say it's possible to earn and make lots of profits on bitcoins after I made my first successful profit of $3600 worth if bitcoin. Kudos friends 👍👍

@boalimchang6465

3 жыл бұрын

Wow a $3600 profit .that's a very fair and nice way of earning side capitals ..please I'll love to know how to make couple of profits too. Thank you

Probably one of the best debates I have ever heard in my life thank you so much

How is gold going to become a payment of method are u going to the supermarket and break pieces of gold to give to cashier 🤔🤔🤔

@martiskasmarta4055

2 ай бұрын

Still through the central banks and banks digital actual currency

Buying gold and silver as the store of value, speculating on cryptos and enjoying the returns.

@cletusmorraies7564

3 жыл бұрын

You're spot on in your views.

@martinlutherkingjr.5582

3 жыл бұрын

Buying Bitcoin to HODL and speculating on gold. Silver is crap.

@otwhore10ea

3 жыл бұрын

It's all about pump and dump until "they" come up with their own cryptography. What a brilliant idea to screw everone.

Frank consistently got personal with Mike , throwing comments like " I have been doing this all my life" which doesn't matter. Mike kept straight to point and never attacked Frank

@leemosey

3 жыл бұрын

These oldies suffer from Cognitive dissonance you cant turn them around. They do not understand the value of software

Interesting debate. In my opinion, Michael makes clear points that address the actual concerns of the debate while Frank attacks Michael directly. Bitcoin wins. Frank, please answer the questions at hand next time xD

Frank Guistra perfectly outlined everything wrong with our monetary system and why gold is antiquated. Well done.

@e-cuauhtemoc

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more, but I stack both of course, as any financial investor should.

@shafserious2805

2 жыл бұрын

Stay Gold

@darthbrooks4933

7 ай бұрын

@@shafserious2805ok boomer, enjoy your -1% returns every year

@shafserious2805

7 ай бұрын

@@darthbrooks4933 not bothered about returns or get rich schemes im rich with life and think of the bigger issue.

I have to say, as much as I love gold, bitcoin guy brought the heat in this debate! Very solid arguments.

@Longtack55

3 жыл бұрын

Next year tulips will be the fad.

@soapbxprod

3 жыл бұрын

@@Longtack55 Agreed. I'm on the side of the gold bugs too

@beeftestosterone4840

3 жыл бұрын

Ok boomer

@FilipinoHODL

2 жыл бұрын

How about now? Still gold on your house?

@marcusc5257

2 жыл бұрын

@@beeftestosterone4840 you are clearly someone to not be taken seriously. State the specfics of your case or move on,

It is funny that Frank uses emotion and Michael uses facts but Frank calls Michael idolistic

@JohnnyAfghanseed

3 жыл бұрын

There is such a thing as emotional intelligence, Frank is probably trying to look out for the folks who might be negatively impacted by people like MIchael claiming you should borrow money against everything and buy an already overbought asset.

@GeneralAlex4

3 жыл бұрын

Frank is realistic !!

@onofitusix6040

3 жыл бұрын

After watching this it just ensures me that I need to buy more bitcoin lol

@toms8483

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with Frank but I didnt like his approach, trying to insult Michael's intelligence in a few instances.

@whitehh15

3 жыл бұрын

@@toms8483 Exactly, he tries to denounce Saylors understanding of topics repeatedly. He's trying to discredit Saylor as much as he is trying to discredit Bitcoin. Saylor not playing into this game is perfect.

This aged well. Can we get an update from Frank ? Lol

The fact that a video like this was made to debate about bitcoin, goes to show that after all bitcoin is a matter worth discussing. Cryptocurrency and Blockchain technology have already won the war and will be embraced by future generations. Would I say no to gold? No. It still feels nice to wear nice jewellery.

@dabbbles

2 жыл бұрын

Heaven-and-hell must also be a 'matter worth discussing' by that standard. (as would the merits of tampering with little boys to the local paedophile club which also has its video-access.)

That was awesome Daniela. Can we have Max Keiser VS Peter Schiff next? Please!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏

@Zk8et

3 жыл бұрын

@@catseyes2334 was Daniela hosting it?

@loski1955

3 жыл бұрын

Please NO !!

@jcryptogoldsilv2826

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely not!! Especially having Schiff on. Max is ok at times when he isn't wound up but Schiff is awful

@jwhite1559

3 жыл бұрын

@Diamondhandz369 z-nation yeah because they can’t walk off the stage from the pounding they take

@russhaluzman8797

3 жыл бұрын

I don't believe those two can have a civilized discussion like these gentlemen. Too much arrogance on both sides.

Learned more about gold today by listening to Michael Saylor then I did from Frank Giustra.

@jyy278

3 жыл бұрын

Lmaoooo yooo 😂😂😂😂 bruhhh

@fredriknovak4633

3 жыл бұрын

True! Frank talked more about Bitcoin than gold.

@blixx87

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@spectaclearts2590

3 жыл бұрын

😭😭😭

@muyleche6466

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🚀

THIS is how to have a respectful debate. Very refreshing.

Just because you had the last say, doesn't mean you we're right. Bitcoin's transferability, scarcity, and retail relevancy or use case will show better than any precious metal portfolio. Micheal, thank you sincerely for fighting the good fight. Bitcoin has already seen the win over gold, many times over. It just takes time to realize it.

@maximo6037

2 жыл бұрын

Saylor is a pumper

@BestCryptoApps

2 жыл бұрын

o fine example of an investor.

@beatnuts1uk

2 жыл бұрын

@@maximo6037 I agree. He can't be trusted.

@awseko4732

2 жыл бұрын

It really just takes time for people to change their world views thats engrained in their mind

@aaroncook5928

Жыл бұрын

Great points are made on bitcoin, the problem is governments don't want to relinquish control of monetary policy. One law passed can change everything for bitcoin. That was the point of the opposing view, it isn't that electronic coins will exist, bitcoin won't be adopted since government can't control it.

Frank didn't do his homework. Only thing he had to say is - 'i can't imagine'

@henryespinosa6580

3 жыл бұрын

Stuck in his paradigm?

@richardsoto278

3 жыл бұрын

His personal attacks to Michel are a misdirection of his lack of understanding on bitcoin's technology.

@joebarcelona

3 жыл бұрын

Well, Bitcoin does require the most Pure Imagination?

@moldobiznes

3 жыл бұрын

More like an evolved mind and tech thinking 🤔

@yuval4051

3 жыл бұрын

Well said!!

I have missed you Daniella on Kitco. One thing about Michael....he’s a gentleman and a scholar. A clear winner of this debate.

He's called Saylor because his bitcoin is so far underwater he keeps it in a submarine.😂😂😂

Saylor was a machine in this debate. Giustra comes across as defensive and found most of his arguments just involved belittling Saylor

@tomcain8652

2 жыл бұрын

His only argument was to shoot down Michael, not defend HIS own position

@cryptobentleys2626

2 жыл бұрын

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@cryptobentleys2626

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomcain8652 Oo Oo O Oooooo O O Oo O O O Oo O O O O O O Mo O O M O M O

@cryptobentleys2626

2 жыл бұрын

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@cryptobentleys2626

2 жыл бұрын

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As the debate went on it became pretty clear who had done their research and had a better grasp of both Bitcoin and gold

@PandaLegionz

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah ok lol go look at bitcoin right now.

@Get.better

9 ай бұрын

@@PandaLegionz and look at it now?

this debate boiled down: Frank: Government and Banks are extremely powerful and you can't do anything about it. Michael: Bitcoin is freedom.

@quant2011

3 жыл бұрын

Saylor is delusional beyond sanity. Or just a paid shill

@tyronejefforeillyramirez7961

3 жыл бұрын

@@quant2011 aww you missed out and hating like the rest of the poor dudes

@BobGeorgeMalem

3 жыл бұрын

@@quant2011 lol, yeh it's tough when visionary capacity is too low :v

@coppersulphate002

3 жыл бұрын

Frank says so because he is in bed with them! He's part of the cabal.

@coppersulphate002

3 жыл бұрын

@Endless Freedom Frank is with the cabal too! He worked with Hilary Clinton in the past!!!

Would like to see a rematch. Starting statements: how, if at all, have you changed your view on Bitcoin since the last debate.

1:34:30 guess that didn’t age well

@kerrywills8715

Жыл бұрын

😂

@davidmcfadden1763

3 ай бұрын

Or did it?

I was so impressed with Micheals class and his ability to contain himself and stick to the point even though Frank repeatedly insulted his character. Frank seemed desperate while Micheal never flinched. I respect both men but Micheal once again just blew me away with his knowledge and passion for the greatest asset of our lives.

@josephdecrescenzo5001

3 жыл бұрын

BITCOIN FOR KIDS GOLD FOR ADULTS

@emmannamontini7252

3 жыл бұрын

@@josephdecrescenzo5001 I disagree, I know plenty of adults changing their mind on what is the best store of value

@alexloc1446

3 жыл бұрын

@@josephdecrescenzo5001 repetitive capital statements for morons.

@enjoythedreamlife5658

3 жыл бұрын

No you are scared with what Frank is saying. He is right and you are scared you have no clue how governments control. Bitcoin is nothing. Bitcoin will never rule the roost. You only own it if you do because it has went up rapidly.

@davisutton1

3 жыл бұрын

He's clearly on the spectrum. He simply doesn't have a reaction. Would you be impressed if a vending machine didn't react to challenges to its character.

Well I'm only a few minutes in but Frank's opening remarks consisted entirely of accusations and personal attacks and no support of his own argument... nice

@albertoberloni3587

2 жыл бұрын

Just because he dances in underwear in is kitchen is not Madonna

@topdog5252

2 жыл бұрын

Lol ye. Not a good look Frank Giustra

@yihyong3836

2 жыл бұрын

If someone asked me to go on a debate with saylor … I’d be like nah… I don’t wanna get schooled 🤣🤣

A really excellent debate. Very informative and instructional. Glad they both gave their time to do this debate. It can only benefit peoples understanding. Thank you.

@ANZAC362

10 ай бұрын

Who do you trust?

Awesome debate. Never got boring. When you hear Michael talk about Bitcoin it reminds me of Thanos most famous quote. " I am inevitable". When I hear Frank talk about Gold and the reality of the world we're in it reminds me of the famous meme "hold my beer".

@em4703

2 жыл бұрын

Bitcoin is just like myspace. It's the first idea of blockchain but it has too many downsides to replace anything.

Great debate! Wish we could have Daniela monitor our Presidential Debates. Very professional and insightful-Thank you

@PaparazziParadise

3 жыл бұрын

I thought Danela was a bit taken with the moment. Nearly three minutes of yapping before starting the debate. It wasn't historic.... interesting, but not the huge event Daniela wants to believe.

@pamelagrant8622

3 жыл бұрын

@@PaparazziParadise !aaaaa!aaaaaaaa!a!!aaaa Ky

Hard to deny Sailor. He was prepped af for this. Frank the tank struggled to get out of first gear.

@sonny4997

3 жыл бұрын

he was in reverse lol

@sten260

2 жыл бұрын

u kidding me? this guy thinks bitcoin will replace gold. that is the most stupid thing I have ever heard about

@MrSuganutz

2 жыл бұрын

Well until everyone realizes gold is practically useless.

@sten260

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSuganutz no, it's the most useful metal there is. Gold has unique properties that other metals don't have, for example it doesn't rust or tarnish. But nobody wants to actually use it because it's so valuable and rare, so people use cheap metals like copper instead. Gold will always be useful

@MrSuganutz

2 жыл бұрын

Its SO usefull that nobody wants to use it....So basically useless then?

I have asked my bank: can I use my gold as collateral to borrow money? They said, yes sir! I have asked them: can I borrow using bitcoin? They laughed 😅

LOL watch the 1:28:00 to 1:30:00 mark.... 2 minutes of pure gold. Remember: Bitcoin was at $60k at the time of this interview.... now it's $15k (09Nov2022)

@cryptoqa2116

Жыл бұрын

how about now? 😆

@XRayAssassin21

Ай бұрын

How bout now?

Damn, when Michael Saylor starts to list all of the times in history where gold was seized through violence @39:35, that was a mic drop moment right there. team Michael Saylor for the win!

@EtotheZ2024

2 жыл бұрын

💯

@joelweinmaster

2 жыл бұрын

if only it was relevant to the discussion *mic drop*

@airlar4857

2 жыл бұрын

I guess I'd agree if today were several hundred years ago... also, good was not "seized in 1933".. they made a temporary law allowing minimal ownership of gold and asked people to send in their gold. Only the idiots complied (kind of like today), but NOBODY went door to door and seized anything.

@SELLSHIELD

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelweinmaster how is stating the actual history of gold not part of this debate? He must have use too many big words that made you frustrated huh 😂 you have to be a idiot not to be able to follow this great debate or you’re a bot😂

@SELLSHIELD

2 жыл бұрын

@@airlar4857 😂😂😂😂 yeah ok buddy lee you keep telling yourself that

Michael Saylor has better arguments. Frank Guistra has a better camera.

I love how after reading a couple comments there is no hate towards Frank. People feel compassion for him as it's obvious that his lack of research isn't as deep as Michael's. What a community of empowered individuals Bitcoin is creating.. I LOVE IT ❤️

@Dejan__

2 жыл бұрын

Old people dont do research as they believe they already have enough knowledge 😅

@ALF3Y

2 жыл бұрын

You mean he knows what he’s talking about with markets and Michael just says buzz words to bring dumb people into the Ponzi scheme?

This is the video that won me over on Bitcoin...life-changing. Michael Saylor is a visionary.

@-Fluxor

2 жыл бұрын

bitcoin is trash and was designed to fail the moment it was never used as money, not currency or as even an IOU. Good luck with fooling the top of a pyramid.

@NutriNerdy

2 жыл бұрын

@@-Fluxor What are you even talking about? It's used as a currency across the globe already. lol

@-Fluxor

2 жыл бұрын

@@NutriNerdy Bitcoin is not a currency. There is a difference between what "money" and "currencies" are.

@aussieebayfashion

2 жыл бұрын

@@NutriNerdy No it's not , when you "spend" Bitcoin, you most likely are spending money. You sell your Bitcoin, transfer the money to the other party, then purchase Bitcoin again. A true Bitcoin transaction can take up to hours even months to finalize, I'm shocked how little research Bitcoin lovers have done on cryptocurrency. When you purchase Bitcoin on exchange, you are not buying the actual Bitcoin, you just have the number registered on your account, not until you transfer it to a cold wallet you don't own anything. Then unless you pay with your cold wallet you are not using it as a currency, until then it's always linked to fiat money and always will be volatile.

one of the Greatest arguments ever! Pure Education...saylor is coming back outaaa nowhere with his uppercuts and hooks

I love a debate when the parties are civil and respectful! Especially when they don't agree. Imagine if Daniela moderated a presidential debate LOL

@erfansvideos

3 жыл бұрын

These are humans. Politicians and presidents are snakes.

@MrDrinver

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah also check out Antony Pompliano's debate with Mike Green

@donniedarko7114

3 жыл бұрын

Billionaires, civility comes with the pedigree.

@phillhuddleston9445

3 жыл бұрын

You would have to have civil politicians which will never happen.

@shgfe3ay

3 жыл бұрын

Plus Daniela is an Angel

Truly one of the best debates on the subject I've seen and the wrap-up pretty much sums it all: Neutral. Intelligent. Historic. Now if we could only get Daniela to moderate all future presidential debates, and bring back some civility, respect and engagement with her smart questioning and allowing both sides to actually respond and be heard without a single rude interruption from a poser journalist every 10 seconds, the world would be better served and very thankful. What a breath of fresh air-

"not siezable" wrong again Michael. Ask the Canadian truckers about that. Good job Frank. 🥈🥇🥈🥇🥈🥇

Frank's opening remarks were just digs at michael saylor without giving anything as to why gold would be better

@JM-je7yn

3 жыл бұрын

Franks's whole game lacked validity. It was like he wasn't even there.

@ShaheenFahmy

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I felt like this was Frank's game throughout the entire debate, to be honest.

@Gigabyte1002

3 жыл бұрын

His closing remarks too by complaining about the social media stuff

@sssm1051

3 жыл бұрын

When someone is losing a debate s/he starts to attack his/her opponent and unfortunately that's what Frank did at the get go.

@aceofswords1725

3 жыл бұрын

Frank is a boomer elitist, growing fine wines, financing art and smugly preaching "climate change". I don't like him or his ilk. I suspect he would be much happier if people like me and you, most of humanity in fact, didn't exist.

Finally something that wasn't a waste of my time. Well Done everyone.

Not gonna lie, I thought this took place in May 2024. Until he said Larry Fink didn’t see the value of it, I didn’t check the date.

They are both a different animal! But for now I’ll take gold before Bitcoin. I’ll wait until Bitcoin hits 12,000 before I guy in again. 👍🏼

@8ushi492

Жыл бұрын

Keep waiting

@iloveyoualexterrell

8 ай бұрын

It’s almost $40,000 today